I bet a trained martial artist can punch harder than me. I was a bouncer for years and definitely recall several smaller guys who could hit harder even if I was able to grapple better or if I had more “presence”. It was more about having the size/demeanor to make drunk unruly guys think twice.Here's a better one.
Lets say a 175 lb martial artist can throw a punch that registers more force than your punch is he stronger than you?
These are fun arguments I don't want to imply any insult or disparagement.
I know a rock climber than can do pullups with just 2 fingers on a 3/4 in edge of a board. I think he is phenomenally strong
I still think raw strength is simply how much you can move. The rest is more speed/skill than strength.