Why do you personallly hate Christianity?

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Yeah, yeah, we know, "I don't hate Christianity, I just hate Christians". Heard it. We've also heard all of the rape analogies. I'm not looking for the rationalization you heard Dawkins or whoever use once when you were a teenager. I'm looking for your own personal reasons.

As a bonus question for our liberal friends, why do you not apply this reasoning to other faiths? One practical example of what I'm talking about would be if your reason involves the Crusades against the Islamic conquest of the Near East without holding Islam accountable for the never ending religious genocides of the Middle East and Asia, or holding Judaism the terrorist campaign Jewish fanatics are currently waging in Palestine.

 

[Steven_R]

Hate's a strong word. I don't hate Christians (or Jews or Muslims or Buddhists or Shintoists or anyone one else). I just don't believe in their mythologies and think it's sad that so many of them simply dismiss science out of hand because of childhood indoctrination and tradition.

That said, I have no use whatsoever for anyone who demands laws others must live by because of their interpretation of Bronze Age creation myths, or those who use those texts to justify bigotry and hate, and certainly no use for anyone who would kill and maim and terrorize someone else based entirely on which make-believe pixie is the right one to follow.

 

[BreezeWood]

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- even as, they are so loving ....

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[LittleNipper]

Hate's a strong word. I don't hate Christians (or Jews or Muslims or Buddhists or Shintoists or anyone one else). I just don't believe in their mythologies and think it's sad that so many of them simply dismiss science out of hand because of childhood indoctrination and tradition.

That said, I have no use whatsoever for anyone who demands laws others must live by because of their interpretation of Bronze Age creation myths, or those who use those texts to justify bigotry and hate, and certainly no use for anyone who would kill and maim and terrorize someone else based entirely on which make-believe pixie is the right one to follow.

Some scientists dismiss the Bible because they have no desire to understand God and they are so much more concerned with their own careers.

 

[Steven_R]

God has no place in a lab or lecture.

 

[zaangalewa]

Hate's a strong word. I don't hate Christians (or Jews or Muslims or Buddhists or Shintoists or anyone one else). I just don't believe in their mythologies and think it's sad that so many of them simply dismiss science out of hand because of childhood indoctrination and tradition.

That said, I have no use whatsoever for anyone who demands laws others must live by because of their interpretation of Bronze Age creation myths, or those who use those texts to justify bigotry and hate, and certainly no use for anyone who would kill and maim and terrorize someone else based entirely on which make-believe pixie is the right one to follow.

Why is it better for you to believe in the myths (=¿world of imaginations?) of antispiritual people (=atheists) instead to believe in the words of spiritual people (="theists")?

 

[Campbell]

Yeah, yeah, we know, "I don't hate Christianity, I just hate Christians". Heard it. We've also heard all of the rape analogies. I'm not looking for the rationalization you heard Dawkins or whoever use once when you were a teenager. I'm looking for your own personal reasons.

As a bonus question for our liberal friends, why do you not apply this reasoning to other faiths? One practical example of what I'm talking about would be if your reason involves the Crusades against the Islamic conquest of the Near East without holding Islam accountable for the never ending religious genocides of the Middle East and Asia, or holding Judaism the terrorist campaign Jewish fanatics are currently waging in Palestine.

Let's say I totally and thoroughly disagree with it...not hate.

The entire holly bibble is a crock of shit written by camel and goat herders who believed in witches, thought the earth was flat, shit on the ground and wiped on their hands. My standard for reliable sources runs at a little higher threshold than that. My favorite fairy tale is "Jack and the Beanstalk." I've always liked the ogre. I like to hear him roar and he plays a mean harp.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Hate's a strong word. I don't hate Christians (or Jews or Muslims or Buddhists or Shintoists or anyone one else). I just don't believe in their mythologies and think it's sad that so many of them simply dismiss science out of hand because of childhood indoctrination and tradition.

That said, I have no use whatsoever for anyone who demands laws others must live by because of their interpretation of Bronze Age creation myths, or those who use those texts to justify bigotry and hate, and certainly no use for anyone who would kill and maim and terrorize someone else based entirely on which make-believe pixie is the right one to follow.

Why is it better for you to believe in the myths (=¿world of imaginations?) of antispiritual people (=atheists) instead to believe in the words of spiritual people (="theists")?

Wtf is that video?

 

[Taz]

The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves. What's there not to like?

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Hate's a strong word. I don't hate Christians (or Jews or Muslims or Buddhists or Shintoists or anyone one else). I just don't believe in their mythologies and think it's sad that so many of them simply dismiss science out of hand because of childhood indoctrination and tradition.

That said, I have no use whatsoever for anyone who demands laws others must live by because of their interpretation of Bronze Age creation myths, or those who use those texts to justify bigotry and hate, and certainly no use for anyone who would kill and maim and terrorize someone else based entirely on which make-believe pixie is the right one to follow.

Some scientists dismiss the Bible because they have no desire to understand God and they are so much more concerned with their own careers.

Any scientist that managed to prove any particular religion beyond any reasonable doubt would alter the course of history forever. I think it would be fair to say that they would be placed above the likes of Newton and Hawking.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Hate's a strong word. I don't hate Christians (or Jews or Muslims or Buddhists or Shintoists or anyone one else). I just don't believe in their mythologies and think it's sad that so many of them simply dismiss science out of hand because of childhood indoctrination and tradition.

That said, I have no use whatsoever for anyone who demands laws others must live by because of their interpretation of Bronze Age creation myths, or those who use those texts to justify bigotry and hate, and certainly no use for anyone who would kill and maim and terrorize someone else based entirely on which make-believe pixie is the right one to follow.

Some scientists dismiss the Bible because they have no desire to understand God and they are so much more concerned with their own careers.

Any scientist that managed to prove any particular religion beyond any reasonable doubt would alter the course of history forever. I think it would be fair to say that they would be placed above the likes of Newton and Hawking.

That would make for a great fiction book. And it would be the only place you'll ever see it.

 

[Thunderbird]

Hate's a strong word. I don't hate Christians (or Jews or Muslims or Buddhists or Shintoists or anyone one else). I just don't believe in their mythologies and think it's sad that so many of them simply dismiss science out of hand because of childhood indoctrination and tradition.

You don't realize you've been indoctrinated into your beliefs by the corporate media?

The homosexual propaganda campaign in America's media

That said, I have no use whatsoever for anyone who demands laws others must live by because of their interpretation of Bronze Age creation myths, or those who use those texts to justify bigotry and hate, and certainly no use for anyone who would kill and maim and terrorize someone else based entirely on which make-believe pixie is the right one to follow.

Jesus lived during the Iron Age so I guess you are criticizing Moses and Judaism.

Atheists have done lots of killing and maiming and terrorizing in the name of atheism: Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NORTH KOREAN CHRISTIANS

Communist terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also I think most of the pixies are on your side:

 

[IsaacNewton]

Yeah, yeah, we know, "I don't hate Christianity, I just hate Christians". Heard it. We've also heard all of the rape analogies. I'm not looking for the rationalization you heard Dawkins or whoever use once when you were a teenager. I'm looking for your own personal reasons.

As a bonus question for our liberal friends, why do you not apply this reasoning to other faiths? One practical example of what I'm talking about would be if your reason involves the Crusades against the Islamic conquest of the Near East without holding Islam accountable for the never ending religious genocides of the Middle East and Asia, or holding Judaism the terrorist campaign Jewish fanatics are currently waging in Palestine.

Why do conservatives think always in us vs them terms. 'Hate or love', black and white, good and evil. The world does not work like that.

I don't hate anyone unless they've decided that they have the right to oppress or kill other human beings. And most people view the world through their own religion as if it were the absolute truth and all others are fake. Well there are about 4,000 religions on Earth today and you think 3999 are fake. I think 4000 are fake. You just believe in one more than I do.

Religion, or belief in 'gods', was developed by the human race over the last 10,000 years as a way to cope with a physical world that was always trying to kill them. Floods, fire, volcanoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, drought, locusts, disease, bad crop years. Human beings thousands of years ago suffered greatly at the hands of the natural world and they assigned 'gods', or beings LIKE themselves but much more powerful, that controlled these various things. Thus to gain some control (rather perceived control) over the natural world you assign a god to something, like lightning, or fire, or the corn, and then you actively do things that will appease this god. Thus you attempt to vicariously control nature and all the things that are trying to kill you and your tribe. All modern religions are simply the most recent expression of this concept. People 'pray' to modern gods to heal them, get them a raise or a job, smite thy enemies, attract a certain mate...there is nothing new under the sun. It is a mental attempt to wield control over things that you don't have control of.

Athiest simply accept reality as it is. There are things that harm and kill you, always were and always will be. There is no proof any of the 40,000 or so gods in human history has been real, current versions are no exception. Belief isn't fact, it is based on perceived fact. HUGE difference. A cop knocks on your door and tells you your 24 year old daughter just died in a car wreck and you are devastated beyond consolation. But the cop gets a call and they find out your daughter is alive and well. The belief that she was dead evoked EXACTLY the same mental and physical reaction as if she were, even though she was fine.

That is why belief is so unreliable. It SEEMS so utterly real, but in many cases it is entirely false.

Athiests and agnostics rely on evidence.

 

[Thunderbird]

Why do conservatives think always in us vs them terms. 'Hate or love', black and white, good and evil. The world does not work like that.

Then you attack religious folk with crude caricatures. lol

And most people view the world through their own religion as if it were the absolute truth and all others are fake. Well there are about 4,000 religions on Earth today and you think 3999 are fake. I think 4000 are fake. You just believe in one more than I do.

Many religions share similar ideas about the Divine.

Religion, or belief in 'gods', was developed by the human race over the last 10,000 years as a way to cope with a physical world that was always trying to kill them.

More sophisticated theists exist if you open your eyes and your mind.

50 Nobel Laureates and Other Great Scientists Who Believe in God

There is no proof any of the 40,000 or so gods in human history has been real, current versions are no exception.

Not really.

What is the “fine-tuning” of the universe, and how does it serve as a “pointer to God”? | BioLogos

 

[Campbell]

The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves. What's there not to like?

Religion and the Christian church in particular has been responsible for more evil acts than any other entity in the world. Granted often the government and church were entwined in authoritarian efforts but no group has ever withstood the trials of time better than those with the power. The crusades wiped out hundreds of thousands for simply differing beliefs.

For more than a thousand years the church required infant baptism. When ordinary folks began to doubt that kind of requirement and their attendance/donations began to falter the church made it optional. The scripture is still there but is never mentioned in that way.

For thousands of years the church conducted witch hunts and tortured and put to death a conservative estimate of 100,000 innocent young women because they had been accused of witchcraft. When the general population caught on to the fact that there is no such thing as a witch the church backed away and shut up. The scripture is still there.

For thousands of years the church supported slavery, often accommodated it. When ordinary folks realized slavery is a practice for which there is no justification...guess what? The church backed away and never mentions the numerous scriptures in the bible which lend support to the practice.

Now the thing is hell itself. After millions of preachers preaching hundreds of millions of hell fire and brimstone sermons and the very concept of eternal torture and misery for non believing individuals making mistakes while living their lives has become extremely distasteful to the common man they are adamant in their insistence that it's all been errors in translation and are now preaching that hell is merely the eternal separation of man from god. All the scripture is still there but once again they have changed their position.

The church owns more real property in this world than any other entity except the governments. The Vatican City has a building which covers blocks and is loaded with rare treasures and art works which conservatively are worth hundreds of billions of dollars. All this while more than 900,000,000 humans are starving to death or suffering from the effects of malnutrition. By default the starving are mostly children.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Yeah, yeah, we know, "I don't hate Christianity, I just hate Christians". Heard it. We've also heard all of the rape analogies. I'm not looking for the rationalization you heard Dawkins or whoever use once when you were a teenager. I'm looking for your own personal reasons.

As a bonus question for our liberal friends, why do you not apply this reasoning to other faiths? One practical example of what I'm talking about would be if your reason involves the Crusades against the Islamic conquest of the Near East without holding Islam accountable for the never ending religious genocides of the Middle East and Asia, or holding Judaism the terrorist campaign Jewish fanatics are currently waging in Palestine.

You have it ass-backwards, Brother... I do hate Christianity - because I believe with all my heart, soul and mind that it isn't the truth. I believe that The Torah, The New Testament and The Qur'an are, at best, ancient Arab literature loosely based in history.

But I don't hate Christians. Far from it.... Or why would I bother discussing it?

 

[ABikerSailor]

I don't hate Christians, they're not enough of an influence over my life to matter very much.

However..................I really don't like the way they try to tell me that their belief system is the only right one.

God is too big to be contained by just one dogma or religion.

 

[Campbell]

I don't hate Christians, they're not enough of an influence over my life to matter very much.

However..................I really don't like the way they try to tell me that their belief system is the only right one.

God is too big to be contained by just one dogma or religion.

We knew you would know. God is one of dozens spread over tens of thousands of years with the same basic mantra. "Give Me Something And I'll Save Your Soul!"

Screw ol' Gawd and the virgin he rode in on!!!

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Why do conservatives think always in us vs them terms. 'Hate or love', black and white, good and evil. The world does not work like that.

I don't hate anyone unless they've decided that they have the right to oppress or kill other human beings. And most people view the world through their own religion as if it were the absolute truth and all others are fake. Well there are about 4,000 religions on Earth today and you think 3999 are fake. I think 4000 are fake. You just believe in one more than I do.

Religion, or belief in 'gods', was developed by the human race over the last 10,000 years as a way to cope with a physical world that was always trying to kill them. Floods, fire, volcanoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, drought, locusts, disease, bad crop years. Human beings thousands of years ago suffered greatly at the hands of the natural world and they assigned 'gods', or beings LIKE themselves but much more powerful, that controlled these various things. Thus to gain some control (rather perceived control) over the natural world you assign a god to something, like lightning, or fire, or the corn, and then you actively do things that will appease this god. Thus you attempt to vicariously control nature and all the things that are trying to kill you and your tribe. All modern religions are simply the most recent expression of this concept. People 'pray' to modern gods to heal them, get them a raise or a job, smite thy enemies, attract a certain mate...there is nothing new under the sun. It is a mental attempt to wield control over things that you don't have control of.

Athiest simply accept reality as it is. There are things that harm and kill you, always were and always will be. There is no proof any of the 40,000 or so gods in human history has been real, current versions are no exception. Belief isn't fact, it is based on perceived fact. HUGE difference. A cop knocks on your door and tells you your 24 year old daughter just died in a car wreck and you are devastated beyond consolation. But the cop gets a call and they find out your daughter is alive and well. The belief that she was dead evoked EXACTLY the same mental and physical reaction as if she were, even though she was fine.

That is why belief is so unreliable. It SEEMS so utterly real, but in many cases it is entirely false.

Athiests and agnostics rely on evidence.

I'm an atheist as well. My political views don't really fit very well anywhere in the post-Enlightenment paradigm. You could say I'm conservative, but you could also call me liberal and socialist. All three labels would be correct and incorrect in their own ways. /post

The crusades wiped out hundreds of thousands for simply differing beliefs.

That would be true in the case of the Baltic crusades against the pagans. The more famous crusades in MENA were more complex than that. All of that land was Christian Byzantine territory until the Islamic Arab armies swept out of Arabia and conquered it all. The emperor sent a call for aid to his fellow Christians in the west.

Religion, or belief in 'gods', was developed by the human race over the last 10,000 years as a way to cope with a physical world that was always trying to kill them.

More sophisticated theists exist if you open your eyes and your mind.

50 Nobel Laureates and Other Great Scientists Who Believe in God

Roger Bacon believed in God. He was even a friar. On the other hand, it was kind of illegal not to be a mainstream Catholic in his time and place, as demonstrated by his eventual arrest for alchemical research.[/QUOTE]

 

[Thunderbird]

I really enjoyed your ignorant rant Campbell. If you're done foaming at the mouth let's look at some facts.

Religion and the Christian church in particular has been responsible for more evil acts than any other entity in the world.

Communist atheists in only 80 years killed about 94 million! And the number of deaths caused by atheism is much higher. An atheist, Stalin, along with his fellow Christian-hater Hitler started the worst war in human history. And don't forget all the deaths caused by right wing atheists like Mussolini, who was in part inspired by another blood-thirsty atheist Nietzsche. And don't forget the Armenian genocide, committed by secular fanatics: the Young Turks.

Please also remember that the austere atheist philosophy has never attracted a large number of believers. Under 3% of the world population is atheist. So a small number of atheists are responsible for a tremendous amount of carnage. On a per capita basis atheists are by far the worst murderers in human history.

The crusades wiped out hundreds of thousands for simply differing beliefs.

Crusade Myths | Thomas F. Madden

For thousands of years the church supported slavery, often accommodated it.

The Abolitionists - Christian History & Biography - ChristianityTodayLibrary.com

The Popes and Slavery by Joel S Panzer

Now the thing is hell itself. After millions of preachers preaching hundreds of millions of hell fire and brimstone sermons and the very concept of eternal torture and misery for non believing individuals making mistakes while living their lives has become extremely distasteful to the common man they are adamant in their insistence that it's all been errors in translation and are now preaching that hell is merely the eternal separation of man from god.

Didn't your teacher ever talk to you about run-on sentences? lol

C.S. Lewis' view is mainstream. He said: "The doors of Hell are locked on the inside."

All this while more than 900,000,000 humans are starving to death or suffering from the effects of malnutrition.

A few of the many wonderful Christian charitable organizations:

CRS

World Vision

About Habitat for Humanity

Catholic Charities USA