The Origins and Causes of the U.S. Civil War

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. The Articles can be amended to work in this day and age.

The Articles of Confederation proved unworkable. They are not coming back, no matter what mental illness you suffer from.
I have ready been through this with one of your ilk several days ago, and have no desire to educate you on the subject other than to state that the Articles were in place for only six years, your USConstitution had 90 years and still didn't work which lead to the bloodiest war in history.
 
Discombobulated,
You can mock as you wish, it only makes you look small and petty. You are fine with YOUR national system, perennial war and hegemony, The lose of liberty piecemeal, a government of UCC, a government which violates your privacy, etc, and thats fine for the North, I am pleased to leave you with all your trillions in debt, and your two [[arty duopoly. We will seek our own path to that precious jewel.....LIBERTY. Mock away, You are of no relevance to our cause.

Like I said already, you don't have my permission to dismember my country and you never will.
First I dont need your permission for anything.
Second, you still do not understand the very name "United States of America", NOT THE STATE OF AMERICA, NOT THE SOVEREIGN NATION OF AMERICA, NOT THE COUNTRY OF AMERICA, IT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE A UNION OF STATES, HENCE "The United States of America."
You are no different than the Republican Conservative that you so despise, and yet so indoctrinated that you cannot see your own image in the mirror, which is the same reflection as that which you which you despise, Both are Yankee doodle dandys, each beleiveing the other to be at fault for what ails your government, when it is in fact the very National system that you cannot see.

Even in your somewhat delusional state you must be lucid enough to realize that your schemes have virtually no chance for any kind of success.
Discombobulated,
There were many subjects in King George's England, as well as many loyal American colonists who likely made the same or similar statement concerning the Founders' and their Continental congress. There is a saying that goes like this....
"CAINT NEVER DID, BUT TRY SOMETIMES DOES"
All we need do is continue using Yankees like you for the useful idiots that you are to expose the underlying feelings that North and South hold toward one another in our quest to gain the consent of our people which grows daily. CONSENT is key. All we really need do when all is said and done is remain standing as YOUR government falls into total economic collapse following the path of the former Soviet Union.

In other words you are hoping for economic collapse to create the conditions that could lead to secession.
You still have no understanding after all the time I have spent educating you, do you. Secessions were accomplished in1860 and 1862, an end to the occupation is required at this point.
Discombobulated,
You can mock as you wish, it only makes you look small and petty. You are fine with YOUR national system, perennial war and hegemony, The lose of liberty piecemeal, a government of UCC, a government which violates your privacy, etc, and thats fine for the North, I am pleased to leave you with all your trillions in debt, and your two [[arty duopoly. We will seek our own path to that precious jewel.....LIBERTY. Mock away, You are of no relevance to our cause.

Like I said already, you don't have my permission to dismember my country and you never will.
First I dont need your permission for anything.
Second, you still do not understand the very name "United States of America", NOT THE STATE OF AMERICA, NOT THE SOVEREIGN NATION OF AMERICA, NOT THE COUNTRY OF AMERICA, IT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE A UNION OF STATES, HENCE "The United States of America."
You are no different than the Republican Conservative that you so despise, and yet so indoctrinated that you cannot see your own image in the mirror, which is the same reflection as that which you which you despise, Both are Yankee doodle dandys, each beleiveing the other to be at fault for what ails your government, when it is in fact the very National system that you cannot see.

Even in your somewhat delusional state you must be lucid enough to realize that your schemes have virtually no chance for any kind of success.
Discombobulated,
There were many subjects in King George's England, as well as many loyal American colonists who likely made the same or similar statement concerning the Founders' and their Continental congress. There is a saying that goes like this....
"CAINT NEVER DID, BUT TRY SOMETIMES DOES"
All we need do is continue using Yankees like you for the useful idiots that you are to expose the underlying feelings that North and South hold toward one another in our quest to gain the consent of our people which grows daily. CONSENT is key. All we really need do when all is said and done is remain standing as YOUR government falls into total economic collapse following the path of the former Soviet Union.

In other words you are hoping for economic collapse to create the conditions that could lead to secession.
 
First I dont need your permission for anything.
Second, you still do not understand the very name "United States of America", NOT THE STATE OF AMERICA, NOT THE SOVEREIGN NATION OF AMERICA, NOT THE COUNTRY OF AMERICA, IT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE A UNION OF STATES, HENCE "The United States of America."
You are no different than the Republican Conservative that you so despise, and yet so indoctrinated that you cannot see your own image in the mirror, which is the same reflection as that which you which you despise, Both are Yankee doodle dandys, each beleiveing the other to be at fault for what ails your government, when it is in fact the very National system that you cannot see.

Even in your somewhat delusional state you must be lucid enough to realize that your schemes have virtually no chance for any kind of success.
Discombobulated,
There were many subjects in King George's England, as well as many loyal American colonists who likely made the same or similar statement concerning the Founders' and their Continental congress. There is a saying that goes like this....
"CAINT NEVER DID, BUT TRY SOMETIMES DOES"
All we need do is continue using Yankees like you for the useful idiots that you are to expose the underlying feelings that North and South hold toward one another in our quest to gain the consent of our people which grows daily. CONSENT is key. All we really need do when all is said and done is remain standing as YOUR government falls into total economic collapse following the path of the former Soviet Union.

In other words you are hoping for economic collapse to create the conditions that could lead to secession.
You still have no understanding after all the time I have spent educating you, do you. Secessions were accomplished in1860 and 1862, an end to the occupation is required at this point.
Like I said already, you don't have my permission to dismember my country and you never will.
First I dont need your permission for anything.
Second, you still do not understand the very name "United States of America", NOT THE STATE OF AMERICA, NOT THE SOVEREIGN NATION OF AMERICA, NOT THE COUNTRY OF AMERICA, IT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE A UNION OF STATES, HENCE "The United States of America."
You are no different than the Republican Conservative that you so despise, and yet so indoctrinated that you cannot see your own image in the mirror, which is the same reflection as that which you which you despise, Both are Yankee doodle dandys, each beleiveing the other to be at fault for what ails your government, when it is in fact the very National system that you cannot see.

Even in your somewhat delusional state you must be lucid enough to realize that your schemes have virtually no chance for any kind of success.
Discombobulated,
There were many subjects in King George's England, as well as many loyal American colonists who likely made the same or similar statement concerning the Founders' and their Continental congress. There is a saying that goes like this....
"CAINT NEVER DID, BUT TRY SOMETIMES DOES"
All we need do is continue using Yankees like you for the useful idiots that you are to expose the underlying feelings that North and South hold toward one another in our quest to gain the consent of our people which grows daily. CONSENT is key. All we really need do when all is said and done is remain standing as YOUR government falls into total economic collapse following the path of the former Soviet Union.

In other words you are hoping for economic collapse to create the conditions that could lead to secession.

Probably your most eloquent rebuttal yet.
 
Sigh. JE is good for a morning chuckle; OCD boy on the Civil War. His arguments are easily refutable and have been for all of the years that true scholars than he have posited them and then shut them down.
 
Sigh. JE is good for a morning chuckle; OCD boy on the Civil War. His arguments are easily refutable and have been for all of the years that true scholars than he have posited them and then shut them down.
JakeStarkey,
Still waiting on someone to refute my arguments here. If these so called true Scholars have defeated my arguments in the past, by all means use them here, I gave you 1 week, and you came up with not one credible rebuttal. You already lost the challenge. At this point, its not about truth to any of you, its about defeating me, but to defeat me you must first defeat the truth. Here's a hint for you....Insults will never win, and thats all any of you have left.
 
You write from a preconceived confirmation bias, James, thus you are not a scholar only a dabbler. Your argument was faulty from your first post and only became worse as you attempted to defend it.
 
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You write from a preconceived confirmation bias, James, thus you are not a scholar only a dabbler. Your argument was faulty from your first post and only became worse as you attempted to defend it.
ll now, if that is not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is! Your preconceived notions are based in your indoctrination, I deal ONLY in fact, and back those facts with PROOF, something you have yet to do, or discount the facts that I have presented.
 
You write from a preconceived confirmation bias, James, thus you are not a scholar only a dabbler. Your argument was faulty from your first post and only became worse as you attempted to defend it.
Jake, let's explore this subject a little further.... Why is it that you think Iran is so at odds with your government?
 
. The Articles can be amended to work in this day and age.

The Articles of Confederation proved unworkable. They are not coming back, no matter what mental illness you suffer from.
I have ready been through this with one of your ilk several days ago, and have no desire to educate you on the subject other than to state that the Articles were in place for only six years, your USConstitution had 90 years and still didn't work which lead to the bloodiest war in history.

Another genius to educate us, even uses words like ilk.
 
James is secretly an ultra-federalist who is arguing for a tyrannical national government.
 
since this dude claims the south isn't part of the US then let us boot out their congress critters and stop letting them vote in presidential elections.
 
since this dude claims the south isn't part of the US then let us boot out their congress critters and stop letting them vote in presidential elections.
That's what we are asking. End the occupation, and we go our desperate ways. By all means contact your representatives and ask them to support our cause. Thank you!!!
 
since this dude claims the south isn't part of the US then let us boot out their congress critters and stop letting them vote in presidential elections.
That's what we are asking. End the occupation, and we go our desperate ways. By all means contact your representatives and ask them to support our cause. Thank you!!!
Awesome! Go your desperate ways indeed.
 
since this dude claims the south isn't part of the US then let us boot out their congress critters and stop letting them vote in presidential elections.
That's what we are asking. End the occupation,!


Who is "we," wannabe?

He and his three room mates, but one isn't sure because he is worried he might not be able to get "Walking Dead" if the 'occupation' is ended.
As I have posted several times, google....... CSAgov.org
 
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since this dude claims the south isn't part of the US then let us boot out their congress critters and stop letting them vote in presidential elections.
That's what we are asking. End the occupation, and we go our desperate ways. By all means contact your representatives and ask them to support our cause. Thank you!!!
Awesome! Go your desperate ways indeed.
I mistyped on my iphone, however desperate will it be on your part.
Every dime of tour income tax goes to pay nothing beyond the interest on your governments trillions in debt, other government needs are funded from other taxes, therefore just as with the breakup of YOUR sister empire (The Soviet Union) upon its breakup, Russia who occupied all those States just as YOUR U.S. occupies ours, Russia incurred the debt, as will YOU. Without the sizable source of tribute coming from our labor, your income tax will likely double, while we begin debt free, other than the expense of maintaining our northern border to keep the third world U.S. citizens out.
 
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