Why do we need a DOGE forum?

[whitehall]

The presumption is that DOGE needs to be defended but everyone should be on board with the effort to cut wasteful spending and uncover corruption not to mention streamlining government to make it more efficient. Historically every administration made an effort or claimed to make an effort to cut the waste in government and we should celebrate the fact that Trump is succeeding where JFK, Clinton and even Reagan failed.

 

[Dekster]

The presumption is that DOGE needs to be defended but everyone should be on board with the effort to cut wasteful spending and uncover corruption not to mention streamlining government to make it more efficient. Historically every administration made an effort or claimed to make an effort to cut the waste in government and we should celebrate the fact that Trump is succeeding where JFK, Clinton and even Reagan failed.

I have seen no indication he is his making the government more efficient in any way whatsoever. My gut instinct is that he is going to make it less efficient because the thing Trump cannot do unilaterally is change the maze of redtape that those who are left behind are still obligated to wrap around themselves. The problem isn't how many employees the government has. The problem is the labyrinth of rules, regulation, procedures and standards that must all be checked to get a pack of post-its, let alone do something like approve an application for something.

 

[toobfreak]

The problem isn't how many employees the government has.

Of course it is. Most of these people makes between $200,000 - $400,000 a year doing little to nothing for work that could be done by others or Is done by others for a quarter the price.

The problem is the labyrinth of rules, regulation, procedures and standards that must all be checked to get a pack of post-its, let alone do something like approve an application for something.

Eliminating an agency eliminates that need, and replacing dead weight employees with new more effective and accountable people trims that labyrinth. But every journey begins with a first step and that first step was only two weeks ago, now being tied up by democrats in court and you are looking for obvious results already.

Next thing you'll ask is why eggs don't already cost just $1.60/dozen now that Trump is in office.

Anything else Trump has disappointed you on?

 

[MarathonMike]

The problem isn't how many employees the government has. The problem is the labyrinth of rules, regulation, procedures and standards that must all be checked to get a pack of post-its, let alone do something like approve an application for something.

There are multiple problems with our Federal Government only one of which is over-regulation, procedures and standards. We all knew the government was bloated and wasted lots of our money. With DOGE we are finding out there are WAY BIGGER problems than we ever realized. That is the beauty of a true outside agency being the auditors. We've needed this for decades.

 

[BackAgain]

We don’t “need” a DOGE forum. But then again, if you don’t like it, nobody is making you drop in.

 

[Edgetho]

Of course it is. Most of these people makes between $200,000 - $400,000 a year doing little to nothing for work that could be done by others or Is done by others for a quarter the price.


Eliminating an agency eliminates that need, and replacing dead weight employees with new more effective and accountable people trims that labyrinth. But every journey begins with a first step and that first step was only two weeks ago, now being tied up by democrats in court and you are looking for obvious results already.

Next thing you'll ask is why eggs don't already cost just $1.60/dozen now that Trump is in office.

Anything else Trump has disappointed you on?

Stupid people don't know they're stupid. So we have to suffer the pain of their stupidity

 

[Dekster]

There are multiple problems with our Federal Government only one of which is over-regulation, procedures and standards. We all knew the government was bloated and wasted lots of our money. With DOGE we are finding out there are WAY BIGGER problems than we ever realized. That is the beauty of a true outside agency being the auditors. We've needed this for decades.

Except they are not auditing efficiency. A third of medicare cost is administrative. Firing administrators doesn't magically make the system work better. It magically means that it is going to take even longer to move a claim through payment than it already does which means providers are going to ration care to medicare patients even more. You have to change the processes to not need the people before you eliminate the people if efficiency is what you are after. They aren't doing that.

 

[MarathonMike]

Except they are not auditing efficiency. A third of medicare cost is administrative. Firing administrators doesn't magically make the system work better. It magically means that it is going to take even longer to move a claim through payment than it already does which means providers are going to ration care to medicare patients even more. You have to change the processes to not need the people before you eliminate the people if efficiency is what you are after. They aren't doing that.

I don't think you have been actually paying attention to what DOGE is finding and recommending.

 

[Dekster]

I don't think you have been actually paying attention to what DOGE is finding and recommending.

75K workers across the board took buyout deals followed by arbitrary cuts to other agencies probationary employees because they are the low hanging fruit and now they are desperately trying to claw back the firing of nuclear safety workers and who knows who else after the fact because they screwed up. They are not being deliberative in their decision making process. They are doing it capriciously.

 

[MarathonMike]

75K workers across the board took buyout deals followed by arbitrary cuts to other agencies probationary employees because they are the low hanging fruit and now they are desperately trying to claw back the firing of nuclear safety workers and who knows who else after the fact because they screwed up. They are not being deliberative in their decision making process. They are doing it capriciously.

The government is loaded with "processes". I spent my career as a systems engineer and I had a bellyful of "processes". They are doing the right thing. They are cutting the fat. They are identifying waste and redundancy. And in some cases they are finding outright corruption and our money supporting criminal and terrorist activity.

 

[Dekster]

The government is loaded with "processes". I spent my career as a systems engineer and I had a bellyful of "processes". They are doing the right thing. They are cutting the fat. They are identifying waste and redundancy. And in some cases they are finding outright corruption and our money supporting criminal and terrorist activity.

Doesn't change that we need a process to determine if those nuclear workers are needed before they are fired, not afterwards. We don't have that in place.

 

[Natural Citizen]

None of the DODGE cuts will likely make it into the inevitable full year CR which is upcoming for the 2025 year. A CR will likely just serve as a continuation of the Biden admin's policies and programs.

Same old, same old.

There will be some tax cuts in there but it's still gonna raise that so-called debt ceiling by trillions.


At least the conversation is starting to be seeded into some headlines here and there...

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thehill.com

Good thing we have Mike Johnson to make a deal to avoid the old government shutdown gag and see it through. lol...

''Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) pointed fingers at Democrats on early Friday, suggesting Democrats are “trying to set up some sort of government shutdown,” while pointing to recent comments by House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) and other Democrats.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Ha. I wrote DODGE...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The presumption is that DOGE needs to be defended but everyone should be on board with the effort to cut wasteful spending and uncover corruption not to mention streamlining government to make it more efficient. Historically every administration made an effort or claimed to make an effort to cut the waste in government and we should celebrate the fact that Trump is succeeding where JFK, Clinton and even Reagan failed.

DOGE is reshaping the US political landscape

You will see the greatest turnover in Congress in American history. Most incumbents EVER either not running for reelection or defeated. Applies to both parties

 

[pknopp]

Created a forum but then rarely have mods around to enforce it. I didn't even know this forum existed until today.

 

[PeterPilot]

The presumption is that DOGE needs to be defended but everyone should be on board with the effort to cut wasteful spending and uncover corruption not to mention streamlining government to make it more efficient. Historically every administration made an effort or claimed to make an effort to cut the waste in government and we should celebrate the fact that Trump is succeeding where JFK, Clinton and even Reagan failed.

Calling it success is premature, as it's been going on for only some weeks. Time will tell what the actual results will be.

So far I'm elated at the way things are going. I remember in Reagan's time The Grace Commission, an effort at the same thing. In the end not much actually changed.

 

[konradv]

The presumption is that DOGE needs to be defended but everyone should be on board with the effort to cut wasteful spending and uncover corruption not to mention streamlining government to make it more efficient. Historically every administration made an effort or claimed to make an effort to cut the waste in government and we should celebrate the fact that Trump is succeeding where JFK, Clinton and even Reagan failed.

It’s like halfway to the ‘Rubber Room’!

 

[petro]

It’s like halfway to the ‘Rubber Room’!

Then you should feel right at home.