I don’t see anyone necessarily trying to change your mind about your “feelings”. The issue is your insistence that some supernatural force is extant and real.
Further, I think you’re making a break from “reasoning” with the more “feelings” based tenets of Religion and superstition. Feelings are the least reliable way to make a solid decision. I would hope that you do not make decisions that affect you or your family based upon “feelings” but with comparative analysis, risk/reward and probable outcome. If something feels good, investigate it objectively. See if the good feelings are substantiated. You function with your critical faculties on an ongoing basis, and while you can misinterpret some sensory input, rationality adheres to parameters that are testable.
Here’s a little experiment you can try at home. In your diatribe above, try substituting spiritual nature™ with “The Easter Bunny”. See if your comment still makes sense.
Here, IÂ’ve some you homework for you:
But you see, I DO know [(The Easter Bunny –ed.)]! I feel [(The Easter Bunny –ed.)] around me and communicate with [(The Easter Bunny –ed.)] daily.
Here's the thing, Hollie... What is "real" to you are things you can physically confirm with your five limited senses, or what secular godless scientists tell you they believe. You have no capacity to comprehend any other sort of reality or existence. Under that conception, you simply can't find evidence for God or the Spiritual, and you probably never will. Unless your atheistic science people tell you they've confirmed God's existence, you aren't likely to ever believe it.
Now, with this understanding firmly set in your mind, you can't rationalize why so many people claim a belief in something they can't "prove" to you. This prompts you to ridicule them and scoff at their notions of God being "real" or "existing" because of your narrow understanding of what is real and what exists. It's not your fault and it's not their fault, it's just how things are.
The Easter Bunny is a fairly recent man-made invention. It stems from a 17th century German tradition, and interestingly enough, has some religious tie-ins. Hares and rabbits were thought to be animals who could reproduce without sexual intercourse, thus likened to the Virgin Mary, and often depicted in ancient religious art. Eggs were often the food of choice to be given up for Lent, and the only way to prevent them from spoiling (chickens don't stop laying for Lent) was to boil them. The American commercialization began around 1946, when "The Easter Bunny" began visiting department stores and such.
Of course, this is quite different than the Spiritual Force humans have connected with since we became civilized creatures. That force has been the catalyst and inspiration for all of human advancement and humanities and our ability to connect with it, remains our most defining attribute as a species. While it is not "real" or "existing" in a physical sense, untold billions of humans, maybe even trillions, have professed a profound faith in the belief that it certainly is real and does exist in a spiritual sense. You can't comprehend spiritual existence or reality, so you can't accept it.
fewer and fewer scientists invest in the unknowable.
Scientists have never invested in the unknowable,
dimwit! That was the point of my comment in red.
You're about as stupid as a ******* turnip, to be honest. No wonder you need to resort to lying and manipulating to make it look like you're winning an argument.
Science cannot test, observe or falsify the unknowable... so it sure as hell isn't invested in it! No scientist has EVER invested in the unknowable, so where you get this "fewer and fewer" crap is beyond me. Science only invests in what is observable, testable and falsifiable, which makes it very much KNOWABLE and the opposite of unknowable.
And what the living hell does "unknowable" have to do with GOD? Do you think God is unknowable? I hate to tell you this and break your little God-hating heart, but BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of human beings totally disagree with you! God may be "unknowable" to YOU, but Newsflash: YOU AIN'T EVERYBODY!
what was that about this being a Level 2 discussion again?
And again (the bolded part)..
As for you last para about God being unknowable, of course god is unknowable. There is absolutely no evidence of a god existing....zilch, nada, nothing. Just belief. As for billions believing, they are getting less and less everyday. Almost every human being thought that the sun revolved around the earth. How did that work out? They also thought thunder was caused by angry gods. Again, how did that work out? Your argument is both asinine and superfluous at best...
Level 2 forum rules are pretty clear, they say you can post flames and insults but your post has to also contain topic-relative content. My post conforms to Level 2 rules.
God is certainly not unknowable and there are literally billions of people who would be more than happy to give their testimonials to that. People come to know God every day. I agree there is no "physical" evidence of a God "physically" existing. (See my response to Hollie above.)
As much as you may believe "they are getting less and less every day" this is simply not true. Humans are spiritual by nature and always have been. Generally speaking, about 95% of the species believes in something greater than self, and 5% believe in nothing (Nihilists). Atheists account for maybe 15%, but as I've argued, there are "Atheists" who are bigger believers in God than some Christians. People lie about this all the time. Times change, religions come and go, people move away and back toward spiritual faith, but over the course of human history, we have remained largely spiritual creatures. This isn't something in "rapid decline" as you like to believe.
People have thought all kinds of things. We base our views largely on what our five limited senses can confirm, as I said before. When we see the sun rise in the East and set in the West, it appears the sun goes around the Earth. Interestingly, this was actually considered "science" at one time, as opposed to the "spiritual" belief that God rose the Sun, moved it across the sky, and laid it to rest in the evening. But... Science can be completely wrong just like Religion.
All that said, do you know why the physical properties of the universe cause there to be a sound made when thunder happens? I'm not asking you to explain how it happens, I am asking why it happens. It's caused by friction from lightning, but why does friction from lightning create an experience of sound that we can detect with one of our five senses? Again, I understand HOW sound is produced, save the explanation there, I want to know WHY it happens. Why does lightning happen? Why do some atoms become electrically charged while others do not? Keep the focus on WHY and not HOW. You see, there is a lot you can't really explain. Principles in physics are things we can comprehend and understand, but we don't comprehend why they function predictably as they do in an otherwise chaotic and random universe. Food for thought.
