Zone1 Why do so many on this forum refuse to post SOLUTIONS and, instead, they infer that everyone not black is a racist? Kind enough mods?

[Lisa558]

Actually it is There is a psychological component that a lot of people who do not face racism ignores or denies that exist. Your are not one of those people Billo, I post this for those who are.

“On occasion, the emotional weight of racism can lead African Americans to engage in maladaptive coping, such as remaining in denial, engaging in substance use, aggression, self-blame – even in extreme cases suicide (i.e., Black Lives Matter activist Marshawn McCarrel) and terrorism (i.e., Dallas shooter Micah Xavier Johnson). These responses are harmful and lead to negative, long-term consequences.”

Ryan C.T. DeLapp, MA, and Monnica T. Williams, Ph.D., “Proactively Coping With Racism, Getting back to our lives in the aftermath of racial violence in the media.” www.psychologytoday,com

Members of the racist subculture ignore the psychological damage created by racism and run to the failed culture claim. The culture that has failed is the culture that continues to foster, maintain, deny and excuse white racism. The psychological impact of racism is why I say that the root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism. People like the OP are ignorant relative to the psychological damage and so you see then posting stuff like what we see here then asking blacks to give them solutions for that when the real solution is for whites to work on ending racism in their communities.

Except that other minorities, such as Jews, have also faced horrific bigotry - and if you don’t think losing your grandmother, aunt, and cousins to Hitler doesn’t cause psychological damage, think again. Yet Jews are at the top, or close to it, in terms of achievement.

OOPS! I just remembered I’m not supposed to give that as an example to negate your constant claims and whining that we don’t know what it feels like to be despised, or that being on the receiving end of such bigotry explains away failures.

Quit your excuse-making and tell your community that what is holding them back is the high OOW birthrate, which leads to greater poverty and the higher crime rate among blacks.

Correct for these behaviors and who knows? Blacks could well be as successful as Jews!

 

[IM2]

Lisa, you run your mouth and often you say nothing.

White jews didn't face racism A lot of white Jews take advantage of what being white allows.

You are an example of that.

So can the lectures and work on the racism between white and black members of the Jewish community.

 

[Lisa558]

Lisa, you run your mouth and often you say nothing.

White jews didn't face racism A lot of white Jews take advantage of what being white allows.

You are an example of that.

So can the lectures and work on the racism between white and black members of the Jewish community.

Of course white Jews faced bigotry, and continue to. I personally may have suffered more direct antisemitism than you have faced racism. And my parents - OMG. You NEVER suffered the nightmare they did, especially my dad. So don’t go on about “white privilege” to Jews whose families were killed by Hitler.

And I took no “advantage” of being white. My family members and I succeeded DESPITE the bigots.

 

[Unkotare]

I am black and have lived, you aren't so, in this situation I do represent blacks. If I said what you want to hear, I'd represent every black who ever lived. The question was: You disagree with me based on what lived experience? You can't answer so you come with the sorry weak classic white dodge about somebody not speaking for all blacks. You speak for no blacks but decided to disagree. So what lived experience do you have that causes you to disagree?

The hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of black students and their families that I have gotten to know very well personally over many decades. People I know and trust as well as anyone I’ve ever met. I think I will take their words over the endlessly repeated bullshit of some racist faceless idiot on the Internet who really seems to think he speaks for every black person in the United States of America.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Lisa, you run your mouth and often you say nothing.

White jews didn't face racism A lot of white Jews take advantage of what being white allows.

You are an example of that.

So can the lectures and work on the racism between white and black members of the Jewish community.

I am headed to your ancestral home in Sept to do some work a preserve perhaps you should come and see if you'd like to go home?

 

[Unkotare]

...in unkotares case, "I wish I was white and I disagree for no other reason than I can."

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Say wha???????

 

[IM2]

I am a white American Jew. If I look at my family tree for many generations back on either side, I will see white Europeans who look just like me. My mother’s family has been in the US for several generations. She has roots in Eastern Europe, but her parents, grandparents and great-grandparents were born in this country. My father is a first-generation American; his parents escaped Nazi Germany as children. I understand the ongoing arguments about Jews and whiteness; for those of us who are light-skinned, it can be difficult to acknowledge that we benefit from white privilege while also contending with a long history of Jewish oppression, but the fact remains — some Jews are white.

Whiteness isn’t really about what you actually are: it’s about how the outside world views and treats you. While I have experienced some mild anti-Semitism in my life, I have never been treated as anything other than a white woman. I’m simply not comfortable using the term “white-passing” for myself, because it suggests that my white privilege is contingent on people not knowing that I’m Jewish — the implication being that once my Jewishness is known, I cease to benefit from my whiteness. For many American Jews of European descent, myself included, this is simply not the case.

I’m honestly tired of the “are light-skinned Jews white?” debate. It’s been approached from every angle several times, and there are more pressing things we should be talking about. The truth is that, despite all of the oppression and hardship Jews have experienced throughout history and continue to experience today, many of us are, for all intents and purposes, white — and we just need to get over it.

Community | Anti-Semitism Is Real — And So Are White Jews

Whiteness isn’t really about what you actually are: it’s about how the outside world views and treats you.

forward.com

 

[Lisa558]

I am a white American Jew. If I look at my family tree for many generations back on either side, I will see white Europeans who look just like me. My mother’s family has been in the US for several generations. She has roots in Eastern Europe, but her parents, grandparents and great-grandparents were born in this country. My father is a first-generation American; his parents escaped Nazi Germany as children. I understand the ongoing arguments about Jews and whiteness; for those of us who are light-skinned, it can be difficult to acknowledge that we benefit from white privilege while also contending with a long history of Jewish oppression, but the fact remains — some Jews are white.

Whiteness isn’t really about what you actually are: it’s about how the outside world views and treats you. While I have experienced some mild anti-Semitism in my life, I have never been treated as anything other than a white woman. I’m simply not comfortable using the term “white-passing” for myself, because it suggests that my white privilege is contingent on people not knowing that I’m Jewish — the implication being that once my Jewishness is known, I cease to benefit from my whiteness. For many American Jews of European descent, myself included, this is simply not the case.

I’m honestly tired of the “are light-skinned Jews white?” debate. It’s been approached from every angle several times, and there are more pressing things we should be talking about. The truth is that, despite all of the oppression and hardship Jews have experienced throughout history and continue to experience today, many of us are, for all intents and purposes, white — and we just need to get over it.

Community | Anti-Semitism Is Real — And So Are White Jews

Whiteness isn’t really about what you actually are: it’s about how the outside world views and treats you.

forward.com

The Forward is a far-left Jewish publication, and many Jews on the left minimize antisemitism because their liberalism tells the, to care more about racism and downplay the antisemitism that Jews suffer.

It‘s SHAMEFUL. I joined a class on how to combat antisemitism - which is on the rise in our local public school system, with Jewish kids getting bullied and beaten - and lo and behold, a liberal Jew pipes up to say “we should worry more about racism.”

The Forward from which you quote is an example of the far-left Jewish mindset that wants to focus on racism and as far antisemitism…. “Just get over it.”

Again, SHAMEFUL that these leftist Jews say “get over it” when speaking about antisemitism.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

The Forward is a far-left Jewish publication, and many Jews on the left minimize antisemitism because their liberalism tells the, to care more about racism and downplay the antisemitism that Jews suffer.

It‘s SHAMEFUL. I joined a class on how to combat antisemitism - which is on the rise in our local public school system, with Jewish kids getting bullied and beaten - and lo and behold, a liberal Jew pipes up to say “we should worry more about racism.”

The Forward from which you quote is an example of the far-left Jewish mindset that wants to focus on racism and not “waste time” on Jew-hate.

Sounds like a publication that's pretty self destructive. Makes you wonder.


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[Lisa558]

Sounds like a publication that's pretty self destructive. Makes you wonder.


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It was always to the left but it seems to have gotten worse. Can you imagine if a Jew said “get over it” when speaking to a black about racism…..and yet this Jew tells other Jews to get over it.

By the way, the Republicans take antisemitism seriously. The new Republican Governor set up a task force to combat it, and there are signs that some progress will be made.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

It was always to the left but it seems to have gotten worse. Can you imagine if a Jew said “get over it” when speaking to a black about racism…..and yet this Jew tells other Jews to get over it.

By the way, the Republicans take antisemitism seriously. The new Republican Governor set up a task force to combat it, and there are signs that some progress will be made.

Good for your governor! Republicans are always having to clean up after the messes made by the democriminals.


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[Billiejeens]

Because black people want things that they don't get to have unless they work for them or steal them from more capable people, and they have been indoctrinated for five or six decades to believe that the way to get those people to willingly give away their wealth so that the lazy, stupid folks can have it is to make those capable people believe that THEY are responsible for the fact that blacks are largely too stupid and lazy to get good things for themselves.


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I dunno
Biden said that poor people were as good as white people.

 

[Billiejeens]

Your premise is still wrong. Can you even identify who you believe "infer" that everyone not black is a racist?

And if the majority of obstacles that Black Americans face are rooted in white racism, what solution(s) exactly do you think would eliminate this, other than white racists making a decision to no longer engage in racist behavior?

You are aware aren't you that people cannot control other people's behaviors let alone their beliefs. If we could, we wouldn't have half of the crime problems that we do, which are not carried out primarily by Black people as you all keep stubbornly believing.

15 percent of population
85 percent of violent crime.

 

[Billiejeens]

Grow up and face the reality that white racism causes major problems for blacks .

Maybe they should go home.

 

[Billiejeens]

The root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism and a white dude cherrypicking things that fit what he wants to believe about blacks are part of the problem. Whites need to work on ending the racism in the white community. That would solve a lot of problems.

Whites have committed multiple mass shootings recently but you want to talk about a black kid shooting somebody. In 2020, about 7,700 blacks were killed by another black. Over 200,000 died from hypertension. Hypertension is caused by stress, stress also comes from being frustrated. Both of these thigs occur because of white racism. You want to create an argument based on a simple minded premise but racism is a complex issue. The following words are from psychiatrists and other medical professionals who study the psychological and physiological effects of racism. Your opinion doesn't consider this.

“Bryant-Davis and Ocampo (2005) noted similar courses of psychopathology between rape victims and victims of racism. Both events are an assault on the personhood and integrity of the victim. Similar to rape victims, race-related trauma victims may respond with disbelief, shock, or dissociation, which can prevent them from responding to the incident in a healthy manner. The victim may then feel shame and self-blame because they were unable to respond or defend themselves, which may lead to low selfconcept and self-destructive behaviors. In the same study, a parallel was drawn between race-related trauma victims and victims of domestic violence. Both survivors are made to feel shame over allowing themselves to be victimized. For instance, someone who may have experienced a racist incident may be told that if they are polite, work hard, and/or dress in a certain way, they will not encounter racism. When these rules are followed yet racism persists, powerlessness, hyper vigilance, and other symptoms associated with PTSD may develop or worsen.”

“On occasion, the emotional weight of racism can lead African Americans to engage in maladaptive coping, such as remaining in denial, engaging in substance use, aggression, self-blame – even in extreme cases suicide (i.e., Black Lives Matter activist Marshawn McCarrel) and terrorism (i.e., Dallas shooter Micah Xavier Johnson). These responses are harmful and lead to negative, long-term consequences.”

You just see an occurrence and your frame of reference comes from being white and never facing racism to understand what it does to a person. You argue the same age old ignorant white argument of black inherent traits and just like your parents and grandparents generation, you do not factor in the effects of racism. But hey you can't be blamed for what your parents and grandparents did.

Findings from large-scale national studies indicate that, while African Americans have a lower risk for many anxiety disorders, they have a 9.1% prevalence rate for PTSD, compared to 6.8% in Whites. That means that almost one in ten Black people becomes traumatized, and I think these rates may actually be higher since diagnosticians are usually not considering the role of racism in causing trauma.

White Racism causes physical health problems.

On June 3, 2020, SAMHSA’s Office of Behavioral Health Equity published a report titled, “Trauma, Racism, Chronic Stress and the Health of Black Americans.” They found that racism contributed to poor mental health and chronic physical health problems.

“Racism and associated trauma and violence contribute to mental health disorders, particularly depression, anxiety and PTSD, and chronic health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, hypertension, diabetes, maternal mortality/infant mortality and morbidity in African Americans. Racism is considered a fundamental cause of adverse health outcomes for racial/ethnic minorities and racial/ethnic inequities in health. The primary domains of racism - structural/institutional racism, cultural racism, and individual-level discrimination— are linked to mental and physical health outcomes. Racism and violence targeting a specific community is increasingly associated with complex trauma and intergenerational trauma, all of which have physical and behavioral health consequences.”

In 2014, “Structural racism and myocardial infarction in the United States,” a study by Alicia Lukachko, Mark Hatzenbuehler, & Katherine Keyes, was published in Social Science and Medicine Journal. Their research showed that structural racism was one cause of heart attacks in black people.

“This study demonstrates adverse effects of structural racism— specifically state-level racial disparities disadvantaging Blacks in political representation, employment, and incarceration —on past 12-month myocardial infarction. These adverse effects, however, were specific to Blacks, and among Whites, indicators of structural racism appear to have a benign or even beneficial effect on cardiac health. It is important to note that individual level risk factors including age, sex, education, income, and medical insurance do not account for these findings.

Furthermore, lending support to the construct validity of our measures of structural racism, the effects persist above and beyond those of state-level racial disparities in poverty. Measures of structural racism pertaining to job status did not follow the expected pattern of association, and were inversely associated with myocardial infarction among Blacks.

While this finding was unexpected, it is in line with results from previous studies that have documented that Black Americans in high status positions report greater exposure to interpersonal discrimination. This increased exposure, coupled with potential pressures to assimilate and to defy negative racist stereotypes, may in turn place high status Blacks at greater risk for adverse health outcomes. Our results similarly suggest that Black Americans in states with greater representation of Blacks in high status positions are at higher risk for heart attack.”

So you see, there is a more complex relationship between white racism and problems blacks face than what the OP tries presenting. So if you are not going to do the study necessary to understand the holistic damage white racism causes, you need to be quiet. The solution is for whites to work harder to end the racism in the white community. If we don't have to live with that, a lot of things change for the better for blacks in America.

They should go home where the most stressful problem each day will be getting water from the river to the hut using a container on top of the female's head each day.
Simple, no whitey to cause stress.

 

[Lisa558]

They should go home where the most stressful problem each day will be getting water from the river to the hut using a container on top of the female's head each day.
Simple, no whitey to cause stress.

What gets me is that IM2 says Jews should “get over it” as far as antisemitism is concerned - all the while crying multiple times a day about how racism is causing blacks all their problems.

 

[IM2]

15 percent of population
85 percent of violent crime.

Both these numbers are incorrect.

 

[IM2]

Maybe they should go home.

Go back to Europe.

 

[IM2]

They should go home where the most stressful problem each day will be getting water from the river to the hut using a container on top of the female's head each day.
Simple, no whitey to cause stress.

Go back to Europe. America is not your home.

 

[IM2]

Sounds like a publication that's pretty self destructive. Makes you wonder.


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Whites like you and lisa can't face the truth.