Why Do RWers Conflate Capitalism with Democracy?

[MarcATL]

They aren't the same.

What's wrong with you?

Why don't you move to China where Capitalism is THRIVING?

Seriously...whats wrong with you?

 

[Avatar4321]

Shouldnt the fact that a communist nation has had to abandon communism for a more capitalist structure inform you about the weakness of the communist/socialist economic plan?

 

[MarcATL]

Save the false platitudes and talking points for some RW schmuck...answer the question.

 

[Dr.House]

They aren't the same.

What's wrong with you?

Why don't you move to China where Capitalism is THRIVING?

Seriously...whats wrong with you?

Does the fact that even the liberals here think you're a fuckstain resonate with you at all?

 

[elvis]

Save the false platitudes and talking points for some RW schmuck...answer the question.

yes, you're a complete fuck-up.

 

[MIPS]

Why Do RWers Conflate Capitalism with Democracy?

Not sure what specifically you're referring to, but perhaps it's because Capitalism contains Democracy like elements? for example the market (i.e. the people participating on it) essentially vote with their money with respect to winners and losers in the marketplace.

 

[Darkwind]

They aren't the same.

What's wrong with you?

Why don't you move to China where Capitalism is THRIVING?

Seriously...whats wrong with you?

Are you serious?

China is thriving?

Don't you mean the Chinese government is thriving? I can assure you that the people are not.

It is likely a waste of time, but I have a minute to kill here.

The synergistic balance of liberty from oppressive government and the opportunity to take your potential to the very highest level it can achieve are a natural match. How could you not conflate the two?

What would you replace our capitalistic system with?

 

[Kex]

They aren't the same.

What's wrong with you?

Why don't you move to China where Capitalism is THRIVING?

Seriously...whats wrong with you?

Does the fact that even the liberals here think you're a fuckstain resonate with you at all?

Look who's talkin'.

 

[Dr.House]

They aren't the same.

What's wrong with you?

Why don't you move to China where Capitalism is THRIVING?

Seriously...whats wrong with you?

Does the fact that even the liberals here think you're a fuckstain resonate with you at all?

Look who's talkin'.

I'm talkin'...

You, on the other hand, are just posting drunk...

Again...

How wonderful for you...

 

[Kex]

Does the fact that even the liberals here think you're a fuckstain resonate with you at all?

Look who's talkin'.

I'm talkin'...

You, on the other hand, are just posting drunk...

Again...

How wonderful for you...

It is indeed awesome, mr Retard.

Wanted to ask if you ever posted under this name on any other political forum, the stupidity is awfully similar to the one encountered before.

 

[Ragnar]

Why Do RWers Conflate Capitalism with Democracy?

Not sure what specifically you're referring to, but perhaps it's because Capitalism contains Democracy like elements? for example the market (i.e. the people participating on it) essentially vote with their money with respect to winners and losers in the marketplace.

I was going to say that.

I have a quickie run down of capitalism that might help those don't don't have a broad understanding in how it supports democracy and individualism but it's not a RW link. I'd recomend taking the tour real quick. Some may not agree with what is said but it should give a big head start to describing where the other side is coming from...

The Capitalism Site : Laissez-faire Capitalism is the social system based on the principle of inalienable individual rights.
(see "visual tour")

 

[Dr.House]

Look who's talkin'.

I'm talkin'...

You, on the other hand, are just posting drunk...

Again...

How wonderful for you...

It is indeed awesome, mr Retard.

Wanted to ask if you ever posted under this name on any other political forum, the stupidity is awfully similar to the one encountered before.

How special...

Aren't you precious...

 

[Cuyo]

They aren't the same.

What's wrong with you?

Why don't you move to China where Capitalism is THRIVING?

Seriously...whats wrong with you?

This is something they do, but you're a little off target on what the actual problem is, which is conflate Socialism with Communism.

Communism is a particularly radical totalitarian form of government which aims to form an egalitarian society. It cannot coexist with democracy.

"Socialism," the buzz-word of late for the righties, is a concept. It's in the eye of the beholder when a country becomes "Socialist" and not just a free-market economy which contains social programs.

"Socialist" policies we have here in the U.S. include the highway system, police/fire/ambulance, NIH, FBI/CIA, and... drumroll... The military! They're all "Socialist." They are paid for out of the general fund and are for the benefit of everyone.

So why we're suddenly "Socialist" because we want to pass what's actually a very moderate healthcare reform plan, beats me. Even if it is "Socialist," that's not necessarily a bad or evil thing. JMO fellas.

 

[Kex]

I'm talkin'...

You, on the other hand, are just posting drunk...

Again...

How wonderful for you...

It is indeed awesome, mr Retard.

Wanted to ask if you ever posted under this name on any other political forum, the stupidity is awfully similar to the one encountered before.

How special...

Aren't you precious...

I'll take it as a no. What's up with imbeciles worshiping this House character anyways?

 

[Neotrotsky]

They aren't the same.

What's wrong with you?

Why don't you move to China where Capitalism is THRIVING?

Seriously...whats wrong with you?

This is something they do, but you're a little off target on what the actual problem is, which is conflate Socialism with Communism.

Communism is a particularly radical totalitarian form of government which aims to form an egalitarian society. It cannot coexist with democracy.

"Socialism," the buzz-word of late for the righties, is a concept. It's in the eye of the beholder when a country becomes "Socialist" and not just a free-market economy which contains social programs.

"Socialist" policies we have here in the U.S. include the highway system, police/fire/ambulance, NIH, FBI/CIA, and... drumroll... The military! They're all "Socialist." They are paid for out of the general fund and are for the benefit of everyone.

So why we're suddenly "Socialist" because we want to pass what's actually a very moderate healthcare reform plan, beats me. Even if it is "Socialist," that's not necessarily a bad or evil thing. JMO fellas.

Your definition of socialism is generous, to the say the least

Free market in theory and practice has always allowed for things like Public goods; natural monopolies etc

Things like these are neither "socialist" or make an economy socialist
Even so, from the poor record of gov't running some of these things, even if true, they are hardly "sterling examples" of proof to call for more gov't programs.

Indeed, if anything thing then they show more the reason to avoid gov't

 

[Dr.House]

It is indeed awesome, mr Retard.

Wanted to ask if you ever posted under this name on any other political forum, the stupidity is awfully similar to the one encountered before.

How special...

Aren't you precious...

I'll take it as a no. What's up with imbeciles worshiping this House character anyways?

Awesome... Attack my avatar and screen name... Don't forget to call Hugh Laurie a "fag"...LOL



So whats up with you fucking farm animals? Were you hoping it would become an Olympic sport?

 

[Cuyo]

They aren't the same.

What's wrong with you?

Why don't you move to China where Capitalism is THRIVING?

Seriously...whats wrong with you?

This is something they do, but you're a little off target on what the actual problem is, which is conflate Socialism with Communism.

Communism is a particularly radical totalitarian form of government which aims to form an egalitarian society. It cannot coexist with democracy.

"Socialism," the buzz-word of late for the righties, is a concept. It's in the eye of the beholder when a country becomes "Socialist" and not just a free-market economy which contains social programs.

"Socialist" policies we have here in the U.S. include the highway system, police/fire/ambulance, NIH, FBI/CIA, and... drumroll... The military! They're all "Socialist." They are paid for out of the general fund and are for the benefit of everyone.

So why we're suddenly "Socialist" because we want to pass what's actually a very moderate healthcare reform plan, beats me. Even if it is "Socialist," that's not necessarily a bad or evil thing. JMO fellas.

Your definition of socialism is generous, to the say the least

Free market in theory and practice has always allowed for things like Public goods; natural monopolies etc

Things like these are neither "socialist" or make an economy socialist
Even so, from the poor record of gov't running some of these things, even if true, they are hardly "sterling examples" of proof to call for more gov't programs.

Indeed, if anything thing then they show more the reason to avoid gov't

I should have been more specific. Paid for out of TAX dollars, and doled out according to one's needs, unrelated to how much that person has contributed. If your neighbor's house gets broken into and the police come, do you get mad at your neighbor because he paid the same taxes for police as you, and he used the police and you didn't? That's the way I see healthcare.

And I'm by no means saying shitty government programs don't exist, but which ones that I mentioned do you think are examples of bad government??

 

[Neotrotsky]

This is something they do, but you're a little off target on what the actual problem is, which is conflate Socialism with Communism.

Communism is a particularly radical totalitarian form of government which aims to form an egalitarian society. It cannot coexist with democracy.

"Socialism," the buzz-word of late for the righties, is a concept. It's in the eye of the beholder when a country becomes "Socialist" and not just a free-market economy which contains social programs.

"Socialist" policies we have here in the U.S. include the highway system, police/fire/ambulance, NIH, FBI/CIA, and... drumroll... The military! They're all "Socialist." They are paid for out of the general fund and are for the benefit of everyone.

So why we're suddenly "Socialist" because we want to pass what's actually a very moderate healthcare reform plan, beats me. Even if it is "Socialist," that's not necessarily a bad or evil thing. JMO fellas.

Your definition of socialism is generous, to the say the least

Free market in theory and practice has always allowed for things like Public goods; natural monopolies etc

Things like these are neither "socialist" or make an economy socialist
Even so, from the poor record of gov't running some of these things, even if true, they are hardly "sterling examples" of proof to call for more gov't programs.

Indeed, if anything thing then they show more the reason to avoid gov't

I should have been more specific. Paid for out of TAX dollars, and doled out according to one's needs, unrelated to how much that person has contributed. If your neighbor's house gets broken into and the police come, do you get mad at your neighbor because he paid the same taxes for police as you, and he used the police and you didn't? That's the way I see healthcare.

And I'm by no means saying shitty government programs don't exist, but which ones that I mentioned do you think are examples of bad government??

highways and the legendary "$50,000" military toilet seat; hammer etc come to mind


As for health care, I do not see it the same way nor do I believe that it would be better or more equitable (contrary to all the claims)

 

[Xenophon]

Its a shame they don't teach civics correctly anymore, this entire thread and its rediculous premise would have been avoided.

 

[ihopehefails]

They aren't the same.

What's wrong with you?

Why don't you move to China where Capitalism is THRIVING?

Seriously...whats wrong with you?

I don't associate capitalism with democracy but with freedom which has nothing to do with what kind of government you live under.