Why do progressives attempt to paint the Confederates as rightwingers?

[Mad_Cabbie]

Not necessary for you to attempt to prove how stupid you are....

...your work in that endeavor is an unmitigated success!!!!

Why do you need to call someone a moron or stupid? Seems to be a poor way to make a point, just sayin.

Both sides of this conflict were flawed for different reasons, but overall ... it was just a much different time.

We learned from all that ... eventually.

 

[BlindBoo]

As one who lived in the South, I can assure you that until the Civil Rights Act, the Southern Democratic Party was Conservative.

Correct.

The South has always been conservative, it’s party affiliation that changed.

You're a moron.

You've always been a moron.

You'll always be a moron.



1. So, the struggle ended: Thurgood Marshall had won his cases in the Supreme Court, Eisenhower used the military to enforce the victories, Nixon desegregated the schools and building trades, and Democrat “Bull” Connor was voted out of office by the people of Alabama. And, finally, even a majority of Democrats supported civil rights. Democrat segregationists were defeated.

2. This was the precise moment when liberals decided it was time to come out strongly against race discrimination!

3. Not having participated in the winning side of the battle, Democrats spent the next few decades pretending, and engaging in a ritualistic reenactment of the struggle. They wrote a modern day passion play, designating “racists,” “victims of racist violence,” and wrote themselves the best part: “saviors of black America!”
Coulter, "Mugged"

“In addition to lying in the history books, liberals lied on their personal resumes. Suddenly, every liberal remembered being beaten up by a 300-pound Southern sheriff during the civil rights movement. Among the ones who have been caught falsely gassing about their civil rights heroism are Bob Beckel, Carl Bernstein and Joseph Ellis. (Some days, it seems as if there are more liberals pretending to have been Freedom Riders than pretending to be Cherokees!)… You will never see anything so brave as a liberal fighting nonexistent enemies.” Liberals Can't Break 200-Year Racism Habit - Ann Coulter - Page full

Problem is the Southern Democrats were not liberals. But then again neither were the Southern Republicans.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't have to justify something I'm not doing.

How do you justify the left rewriting history to makes themselves look pure as angels?

When was defending states rights a liberal position?

I think you really confuse them when you remind them who is the party of State's Rights today.

Perhaps you hadn't heard....

Federalism
Federalism, and all it stands for, underpins politics in America. Federalism gives the executive its power but it also gives states a great deal of power as has been clarified in Dillon's Law. On many occasions, the Supreme Court has been called on to adjudicate what federalism means (usually in favour of the executive rather than states) but the Constitution put a great deal of faith in federalism when the Founding Fathers first constructed it.
Federalism



Bet you went to government school......

 

[oreo]

The South during this time period were the inheritors of the legacy of Andrew Jackson, a dictatorial President who greatly expanded the scope of the executive branch, so much so that the opposition party called itself "the whigs" to stand in stark contrast with the autocratic tendencies of Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson, the founder of the modern day democrat party, was first and foremost a populist who saw fit to discard the regular order of checks and balances when it disagreed with his interpretation, and that of the people. He painted himself as the tribune of the people, and claimed to represent the not well-off of people of his era, and despised the capitalist north. Andrew Jackson and the democrat party claimed to have been opposed to special interest, big banks, and capitalism. Does this ring any bells?

The Democrat party, during this time period was also one dominated by the wealthy planters, with all political influence being disproportionally concentrated in them (just like the progressive leftists). Their livelihoods, and lifestyle depended on the institution of slavery, and would use their whole political clout in order to keep it in place (just like the left is doing with obamacare). The democrat party, would in essence sustain slavery in order to live lives without responsibility, and on the backs of others, just like they do today. The progressives, in order to maintain their institution, knowing that much of their wealth would be deprived, and social mobility added (Social mobility was unheard of in the South during this time period due in large part to the slave system destroying any efforts to move up for various reasons), and the wage system's inevitable introduction, sought to secede in order to maintain their progressive state.

The democrat party, the party of mobocracy, and populism was and always has been "progressive" , and the Confederates embodied all of these traits.

All anyone needs to watch is the movie Lincoln to get a real understanding of who was a democrat and who was a republican.

The Confederacy--was nothing but democrats--that believed in slavery and fought tooth and nail to keep it that way. In fact, it was actually Republicans that not only freed the slaves, but sided with Lyndon Johnson on the Civil Rights act of the 1960's. Democrats--like Al Gore Sr. voted against the civil rights bill.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How many people who still fly the Confederate flag today do you think are registered Democrats versus registered Republicans?

Bill Clinton had a Confederate flag-like issue, every year he was governor: Arkansas Code Annotated, Section 1-5-107, provides as follows:

(a) The Saturday immediately preceding Easter Sunday of each year is designated as ‘Confederate Flag Day’ in this state.

(b) No person, firm, or corporation shall display an Confederate flag or replica thereof in connection with any advertisement of any commercial enterprise, or in any manner for any purpose except to honor the Confederate States of America. [Emphasis added.]

(c) Any person, firm, or corporation violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000).

Bill Clinton took no steps during his twelve years as governor to repeal this law.
Hillary Clinton's Confederacy Hypocrisy | The Gateway Pundit
Hillary Clinton's Confederacy Hypocrisy | The Gateway Pundit




Any truth to the rumor that the rapist, Clinton, is a registered Democrat?

 

[paperview]

Bull Conner: Liberal or Conservative?

Strom Thurmond: Liberal or Conservative?

Jessie Helms: Liberal or Conservative?

George Wallace: Liberal or Conservative?

National Review / William F. Buckley: Stance of Civil Rights Act / Segregation ?

 

[BlindBoo]

OP- No one's more RW than slave holders, dingbat. Luckily, True information is the RW's worst enemy...

Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…”
Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425


Good thing you're incapable of learning.....that means I can post this tidbit again.

1877 was the year Federal occupation troop finally left Louisiana, and the South got back to business as usually, well almost as usual. No doubt the Klan was part of the Southern elitists strategy to regain power lost during reconstruction.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Still no rebuttals from the loony left.

It's always the looney right that disses blacks, whether its posts of obama with a watermelon, or complaints about lazy blacks driving detroit into ruins and buying ding dongs with food stamps. That being said, if we still had slavery today and there was a debate about ending slavery, and the billionaire class and corporations wanted to keep slavery, would it be democrats or republicans that sided with the ownership class to keep slavery? Also keeping in mind that it's the looney right that always rushes to the defense of the super rich.

Hey...IQFree.....Coulter had you in mind when she wrote this:

Thrilled with their role as ‘white friend-of-the-blacks,’ many found that they could actually make a living at it! The part requires sneering at nonexistent racists, and memorizing one line:
“Goddam it, this may cost me my career but I’m going to speak up for racial equality and let the chips fall where they may!”

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not necessary for you to attempt to prove how stupid you are....

...your work in that endeavor is an unmitigated success!!!!

Why do you need to call someone a moron or stupid? Seems to be a poor way to make a point, just sayin.

Both sides of this conflict were flawed for different reasons, but overall ... it was just a much different time.

We learned from all that ... eventually.

Glad you brought that up.

I won't waste a moment incorporating your viewpoint into my posts!!!!

 

[tinydancer]

In the past, not today.

That’s why Southerners left the party in droves during the Civil Rights Era and after, and joined the republican party with promises of preserving ‘white Christian culture’ and ‘traditional values’; the GOP entered into a Faustian bargain with social conservatives, Christian fundamentalists, and the extreme fiscal right, all of whom fearful of, and hostile to, individual liberty, diversity, and dissent.

And it worked.

Until a few years ago, that is - when young, minority, and women voters began to reject the GOP’s message of hostility toward same-sex couples, gays, women, Hispanics, and African-Americans, they rejected the GOP’s message of division and hate.

Now the GOP finds itself in a civil war with the TPM and other factions of the radical right, the establishment is actually funding campaigns of moderates in the hope of staving off the TPM onslaught of unelectable extremist candidates.

Jeebus. So what you're saying is, the civil rights era came off the heels of the civil war.


You just can not make this shit up with "pragmatic progressives". They will lead you through a maze of false premises, throw at you a few logical fallaices and then dazzle you with hyperbole/semantics.

Nope. Looks like you made that up. The current Civil War is in the Republican party.

Wait till you see what the Clintons have in store for all those that betrayed Hillary.



It'll make any R fights pale by comparison.

 

[paperview]

I'll help...The National Review, the solid conservative journal at the time, headed by modern conservative leader William F. Buckley espoused... what?

Let's review:

During the Civil Rights Era, Buckley made a name for himself as a promoter of white supremacy. National Review, which he founded in 1955, championed violent racist regimes in the American South and South Africa.
A 1957 editorial written by Buckley, "Why the South Must Prevail" (National Review, 8/24/57), cited the "cultural superiority of white over Negro" in explaining why whites were "entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where [they do] not predominate numerically."

Appearing on NPR’s Fresh Air in 1989 (rebroadcast 2/28/08), he stood by the passage. "Well, I think that's absolutely correct," Buckley told host Terry Gross when she read it back to him.

A 1960 National Review editorial supported South Africa’s white minority rule (4/23/60): "The whites are entitled, we believe, to preeminence in South Africa." In a 1961 National Review column about colonialism—which the magazine once called "that brilliantly conceived structure" (William F. Buckley, John Judis)--Buckley explained that "black Africans" left alone "tend to revert to savagery." The same year, in a speech to the group Young Americans for Freedom, Buckley called citizens of the Congo "semi-savages" (National Review, 9/9/61).


National Review editors condemned the 1963 bombing of a black Birmingham Church that killed four children, but because it "set back the cause of the white people there so dramatically," the editors wondered "whether in fact the explosion was the act of a provocateur—of a Communist, or of a crazed Negro" (Chicago Reader, 8/26/05).

Just months before the 1965 Voting Rights Act was passed, Buckley warned in his syndicated column (2/18/65) that "chaos" and "mobocratic rule" might follow if "the entire Negro population in the South were suddenly given the vote." In his 1969 column "On Negro Inferiority" (4/8/69), Buckley heralded as "massive" and "apparently authoritative" academic racist Arthur Jensen's findings that blacks are less intelligent than whites and Asians.

William F. Buckley, Rest in Praise ? FAIR: Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting

William F. Buckley: Democrat or Republican?

 

[tinydancer]

Bull Conner: Liberal or Conservative?

Strom Thurmond: Liberal or Conservative?

Jessie Helms: Liberal or Conservative?

George Wallace: Liberal or Conservative?

National Review / William F. Buckley: Stance of Civil Rights Act / Segregation ?

Wallace was a Democrat.

Give me a break here.

Oh and why don't you list all the Dixiecrats oh and by all means note they were called Dixiecrats not Dixiecans who stayed with the Democrat Party.

By all means list all the Dixiecrats who stayed with the D's.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Bull Conner: Liberal or Conservative?

Strom Thurmond: Liberal or Conservative?

Jessie Helms: Liberal or Conservative?

George Wallace: Liberal or Conservative?

National Review / William F. Buckley: Stance of Civil Rights Act / Segregation ?

US Senate....where every anti-lynching bill was blocked by Democrats, included these:

The most important points: all the segregationists in the Senate were Democrats, and remained same for the rest of their lives…except for one.

a. And they were not conservative.

b. Strom Thurmond became a Republican, albeit 16 years later. Lets see how many of the 12 in the Senate were conservative.

c. Senator Harry Byrd, staunch opponent of anti-communist McCarthy
d. Senator Robert Byrd, proabortion, opposed Gulf Wars, supported ERA, high grades from NARAL and ACLU
e. Senator Allen Ellender, McCarthy opponent, pacifist
f. Senator Sam Ervin, McCarthy opponent, anti-Vietnam War, Nixon antagonist
g. Senator Albert Gore, Sr., McCarthy opponent, anti-Vietnam War
h. Senator James Eastland, strong anti-communist
i. Senator Wm. Fulbright, McCarthy opponent, anti-Vietnam War, big UN supporter
j. Senator Walter F. George, supported TVA, and Great Society programs
k. Senator Ernest Hollings, initiated federal food stamp program, …but supported Clarence Thomas’ nomination
l. Senator Russell Long, led the campaign for Great Society programs
m. Senator Richard Russell, McCarthy opponent, anti-Vietnam War, supported FDR’s New Deal
n. Senator John Stennis, McCarthy opponent, opposed Robert Bork’s nomination


Notice how segregationist positions went hand-in-hand with opposition to McCarthy? Not all Democrats….Robert Kennedy worked for McCarthy, and Senator John F. Kennedy refused to censure him.

Covered in "Mugged," by Coulter

 

[PoliticalChic]

OP- No one's more RW than slave holders, dingbat. Luckily, True information is the RW's worst enemy...

Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…”
Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425


Good thing you're incapable of learning.....that means I can post this tidbit again.

1877 was the year Federal occupation troop finally left Louisiana, and the South got back to business as usually, well almost as usual. No doubt the Klan was part of the Southern elitists strategy to regain power lost during reconstruction.

So you have nothing to say about Foner's point.....it was correct.

 

[manifold]

How many people who still fly the Confederate flag today do you think are registered Democrats versus registered Republicans?

Bill Clinton had a Confederate flag-like issue, every year he was governor: Arkansas Code Annotated, Section 1-5-107, provides as follows:

(a) The Saturday immediately preceding Easter Sunday of each year is designated as ‘Confederate Flag Day’ in this state.

(b) No person, firm, or corporation shall display an Confederate flag or replica thereof in connection with any advertisement of any commercial enterprise, or in any manner for any purpose except to honor the Confederate States of America. [Emphasis added.]

(c) Any person, firm, or corporation violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000).

Bill Clinton took no steps during his twelve years as governor to repeal this law.
Hillary Clinton's Confederacy Hypocrisy | The Gateway Pundit
Hillary Clinton's Confederacy Hypocrisy | The Gateway Pundit




Any truth to the rumor that the rapist, Clinton, is a registered Democrat?

Where did I imply there weren't ANY democrats flying a confederate flag?

Oh yeah, I didn't.

Your point is invalid, as always.

 

[paperview]

Let's have a listen to that "liberal" democrat, George Wallace :

"...But before I get into that, let me point out one important fact. It would have been impossible for the American people to have been deceived by the sponsors of this bill had there been a responsible American press to tell the people exactly what the bill contained. If they had had the integrity and the guts to tell the truth, this bill would never have been enacted.

Whoever heard of truth put to the worst in free and open encounter? We couldn't get the truth to the American people.

You and I know that that's extremely difficult to do where our newspapers are owned by out-of-state interests. Newspapers which are run and operated by left-wing liberals, Communist sympathizers, and members of the Americans for Democratic Action and other Communist front organizations with high sounding names.

However, we will not be intimidated by the vultures of the liberal left-wing press. We will not be deceived by their lies and distortions of truth. We will not be swayed by their brutal attacks upon the character and reputation of any honest citizen who dares stand up and fight for liberty.

http://www.emersonkent.com/speeches/the_civil_rights_act_a_hoax.htm

That was his July 4th "patriotic" American speech, where he decries the Civil Rights Act.

The whole speech sounds like it was plucked straight from a Tea party rally.

 

[paperview]

The best response to this whole mishegoss is from a fellow traveler on a board I can't link to. She expressed it best:

As always, it's a fallacious, reductive, and historically-inaccurate equivocation of "Democrats" with "liberals"/"progressives" and "conservatives" with Republicans--especially during the Civil Rights era of the late '50s and 1960s.

It's more complex than that.

For example, when George Wallace denounced the Civil Rights Act as evidence of a '"left-wing monster" that invaded the government and "news media" and "every phase and aspect of the life of freedom-loving people," and when he welcomed a "fight between our philosophy and the liberal left-wing dogma which now threatens to engulf every man, woman, and child in the United States," he did so as a Democrat.

He also did so--as he said repeatedly, his word--as a "conservative": "We must not be misled by left-wing incompetent news media that day after day feed us a diet of fantasy telling us we are bigots, racists and hate-mongers to oppose the destruction of the constitution and our nation."

Sounds awfully familiar, for some reason. Rhetorically, I doubt his speech would have much allure for "liberals," or the left, given that it was a standard (and now familiar) exercise in red-baiting and the equation of liberals with communists and traitors. Who, then, was he trying to appeal to?

In fact, his views on the issue were more or less in line with The National Review, the John Birch Society, the Young American for Freedom, and other movement conservative organizations.

Even Jonah Liberal Fascism Goldberg has acknowledged (on Beck's show), "You know, conservatives were largely on the wrong side of the civil rights movement in the 1960s and we should fess up to that. That's fine."

He's well-advised to do so, as his own magazine, The National Review--a flagship of movement conservatism at the time--was trashing Martin Luther King and running articles that equated integration with communism ("'Integration’ and ‘Communization’ are, after all, pretty closely synonymous. In light of what is happening today, the first may be little more than a euphemism for the second.") Somehow, I doubt you'd find much of that in The Nation or The Progressive (where MLK actually published) during that time./quote]
[emphasis added]

Do you disagree movement conservatism was represented by the segments this person brings up?

Can you possibly begin to deny it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

How many people who still fly the Confederate flag today do you think are registered Democrats versus registered Republicans?

Bill Clinton had a Confederate flag-like issue, every year he was governor: Arkansas Code Annotated, Section 1-5-107, provides as follows:

(a) The Saturday immediately preceding Easter Sunday of each year is designated as ‘Confederate Flag Day’ in this state.

(b) No person, firm, or corporation shall display an Confederate flag or replica thereof in connection with any advertisement of any commercial enterprise, or in any manner for any purpose except to honor the Confederate States of America. [Emphasis added.]

(c) Any person, firm, or corporation violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000).

Bill Clinton took no steps during his twelve years as governor to repeal this law.
Hillary Clinton's Confederacy Hypocrisy | The Gateway Pundit
Hillary Clinton's Confederacy Hypocrisy | The Gateway Pundit




Any truth to the rumor that the rapist, Clinton, is a registered Democrat?

Where did I imply there weren't ANY democrats flying a confederate flag?

Oh yeah, I didn't.

Your point is invalid, as always.

He leads your party.....the central draw at your convention.

He was governor of the state....so lots of 'registered Democrats' voted for him.....and his Confederate flag policy.


Your point: eviscerated.

 

[BlindBoo]

Jeebus. So what you're saying is, the civil rights era came off the heels of the civil war.


You just can not make this shit up with "pragmatic progressives". They will lead you through a maze of false premises, throw at you a few logical fallaices and then dazzle you with hyperbole/semantics.

Nope. Looks like you made that up. The current Civil War is in the Republican party.

Wait till you see what the Clintons have in store for all those that betrayed Hillary.



It'll make any R fights pale by comparison.

Eweeeee, you don't think she'll try to hug us to death do ya?

 

[JakeStarkey]

1. Yes, the conservative majority in the South, then democrats, were defeated by the early 1970s.

2. The liberals, both northerners and westerners, led by the democrats, in the 1950s and 1960s conquered the southern conservatives.

3. "Not having" led " the winning side of the battle," extreme conservative Republicans "spent the next few decades pretending, and engaging in a ritualistic reenactment of the struggle." These wacks created a morality play with themselves, falsely, as the "saviors of black America!”

4. Ann Coulter is used as the example of three above in all professional journalism schools, particularly at Columbia College.