Why do liberals not believe that Hillary transmitted classified docs on her private server?

[K9Buck]

US Navy sailor jailed for taking photos of classified areas of nuclear submarine

so, showing your children what you used to do is now intent to commit a crime?

Dummy he was charged under statute that requires intent.

Post the statute, let's see where it speaks of "intent".

I'm not your little fetch dog, you want to say that case is comparable? Ok prove it.

That sailor did far less than Hillary. He went to prison and Hillary skated.

WTF are you talking about?

He took panaramic pictures of nuclear submarine engine room, that everyone knew Chinese were willing to pay big bucks to see. He then disposed of the phone that took pictures (it was found at the dump and forwarded to authorities, which is how he got caught) and after interview with FBI went home and smashed up his laptop.

Prosecutor brought charges WITH INTENT to conduct espionage.

I'm not arguing that he shouldn't have been prosecuted. I'm merely pointing out that Hillary also broke the law, skated, and now many liberals don't believe she ever did anything improper.

Tell us. Did Hillary break the law?

 

[bendog]

This is just common knowledge and, yet, there are countless liberals here and elsewhere that claim it never happened. James Comey testified to Congress that she transmitted and received classified material on her private server. Are the liberals that deny this fact just astoundingly ignorant or are they just liars?

Like Trumpbots on Russia ... they don't give a fock. This is not difficult stuff to follow. LOL

 

[AntonToo]

Dummy he was charged under statute that requires intent.

Post the statute, let's see where it speaks of "intent".

I'm not your little fetch dog, you want to say that case is comparable? Ok prove it.

That sailor did far less than Hillary. He went to prison and Hillary skated.

WTF are you talking about?

He took panaramic pictures of nuclear submarine engine room, that everyone knew Chinese were willing to pay big bucks to see. He then disposed of the phone that took pictures (it was found at the dump and forwarded to authorities, which is how he got caught) and after interview with FBI went home and smashed up his laptop.

Prosecutor brought charges WITH INTENT to conduct espionage.

I'm not arguing that he shouldn't have been prosecuted. I'm merely pointing out that Hillary also broke the law, skated, and now many liberals don't believe she ever did anything improper.

Tell us. Did Hillary break the law?

Yes, Hillary broke an unconstitutional law that no one has ever been prosecuted under.

When Comey said no prosecutor would bring mishandling charges without intent he was 100% correct. Such prosecution would be a SPECIAL TREATMENT.

 

[Care4all]

You have to take marked top secret documents, from their proper secured place on the top secret government server, and then use them in an improper manner in order to be charged with any of the Espionage Act laws.

No one from Hillary's team took any marked and stored top secret documents or emails from the government's top secret server and transferred them to Hillary's unclassified server.

The 4 top secret email chains that were on her server, were emails they received from someone outside of our government, Syd Blumenthal.

This is why they were unmarked.....they did not come from the government's proper storing place.

This is why her team did not KNOW it was top Secret classified information.

This is why she, and none of her staff, were or could be, charged with a crime.

This is why they UNKNOWINGLY had top secret information on her server.

END OF STORY.....

You have to take marked top secret documents, from their proper secured place on the top secret government server, and then use them in an improper manner in order to be charged with any of the Espionage Act laws.

No one from Hillary's team took any marked and stored top secret documents or emails from the government's top secret server and transferred them to Hillary's unclassified server.


“It takes a very conscious effort to move a classified email or cable from the classified systems over to the unsecured open system and then send it to Hillary Clinton’s personal email account,” said Raymond Fournier, a veteran Diplomatic Security Service special agent. “That’s no less than a two-conscious-step process.”

He says it’s clear from some of the classified emails made public that someone on Clinton’s staff essentially “cut and pasted” content from classified cables into the messages sent to her. The classified markings are gone, but the content is classified at the highest levels — and so sensitive in nature that “it would have been obvious to Clinton.” Most likely the information was, in turn, emailed to her via NIPRNet.

To work around the closed, classified systems, which are accessible only by secure desktop workstations whose hard drives must be removed and stored overnight in a safe, Clinton’s staff would have simply retyped classified information from the systems into the non-classified system or taken a screen shot of the classified document, Fournier said. “Either way, it’s totally illegal.”

https://nypost.com/2016/01/24/hillarys-team-copied-intel-off-top-secret-server-to-email/

Nope, NONE OF THAT turned out to be true, not one itty bitty bit....all conjecture and spin that fell flat....

 

[Doc1]

Hillary was indeed investigated by the FBI for receiving and transmitting classified materials on her private server. It was confirmed that she had indeed broken the law by doing so. Then James Comey claimed that he wouldn't support prosecuting her because he didn't believe that Hillary "intended" to do anything malicious. Hence, she skated. You or I would have gone to prison.

Bullshit, no one was ever prosecuted for mishandling classified information without intent, let alone gone to prison.

General Petreus was caught RED HANDED taking highly classified documents home so his journalist lover could have a go at them. Clear mishandling with ill intent and all he got was a probation.

Prosecuting Hillary under a statute without intent would be UNPRECEDENTED.

US Navy sailor jailed for taking photos of classified areas of nuclear submarine

so, showing your children what you used to do is now intent to commit a crime?

Dummy he was charged under statute that requires intent.

Post the statute, let's see where it speaks of "intent".

I'm not your little fetch dog, you want to say that case is comparable? Ok prove it.

You made a declarative statement, and now you admit you cannot back it up. Dismissed kid.

 

[AntonToo]

Bullshit, no one was ever prosecuted for mishandling classified information without intent, let alone gone to prison.

General Petreus was caught RED HANDED taking highly classified documents home so his journalist lover could have a go at them. Clear mishandling with ill intent and all he got was a probation.

Prosecuting Hillary under a statute without intent would be UNPRECEDENTED.

US Navy sailor jailed for taking photos of classified areas of nuclear submarine

so, showing your children what you used to do is now intent to commit a crime?

Dummy he was charged under statute that requires intent.

Post the statute, let's see where it speaks of "intent".

I'm not your little fetch dog, you want to say that case is comparable? Ok prove it.

You made a declarative statement, and now you admit you cannot back it up. Dismissed kid.

lol at helpless idiot.

 

[Doc1]

Post the statute, let's see where it speaks of "intent".

I'm not your little fetch dog, you want to say that case is comparable? Ok prove it.

That sailor did far less than Hillary. He went to prison and Hillary skated.

WTF are you talking about?

He took panaramic pictures of nuclear submarine engine room, that everyone knew Chinese were willing to pay big bucks to see. He then disposed of the phone that took pictures (it was found at the dump and forwarded to authorities, which is how he got caught) and after interview with FBI went home and smashed up his laptop.

Prosecutor brought charges WITH INTENT to conduct espionage.

I'm not arguing that he shouldn't have been prosecuted. I'm merely pointing out that Hillary also broke the law, skated, and now many liberals don't believe she ever did anything improper.

Tell us. Did Hillary break the law?

Yes, Hillary broke an unconstitutional law that no one has ever been prosecuted under.

When Comey said no prosecutor would bring mishandling charges without intent he was 100% correct. Such prosecution would be a SPECIAL TREATMENT.

....and yet you cannot prove this statement.

 

[K9Buck]

Post the statute, let's see where it speaks of "intent".

I'm not your little fetch dog, you want to say that case is comparable? Ok prove it.

That sailor did far less than Hillary. He went to prison and Hillary skated.

WTF are you talking about?

He took panaramic pictures of nuclear submarine engine room, that everyone knew Chinese were willing to pay big bucks to see. He then disposed of the phone that took pictures (it was found at the dump and forwarded to authorities, which is how he got caught) and after interview with FBI went home and smashed up his laptop.

Prosecutor brought charges WITH INTENT to conduct espionage.

I'm not arguing that he shouldn't have been prosecuted. I'm merely pointing out that Hillary also broke the law, skated, and now many liberals don't believe she ever did anything improper.

Tell us. Did Hillary break the law?

Yes, Hillary broke an unconstitutional law that no one has ever been prosecuted under.

When Comey said no prosecutor would bring mishandling charges without intent he was 100% correct. Such prosecution would be a SPECIAL TREATMENT.

You're wrong. I gave you examples to prove that you're wrong. You're in delusional denial.

 

[Doc1]

US Navy sailor jailed for taking photos of classified areas of nuclear submarine

so, showing your children what you used to do is now intent to commit a crime?

Dummy he was charged under statute that requires intent.

Post the statute, let's see where it speaks of "intent".

I'm not your little fetch dog, you want to say that case is comparable? Ok prove it.

You made a declarative statement, and now you admit you cannot back it up. Dismissed kid.

Useless idiot.

Projection child, back up your assertion or be recognized as the tool and liar I suspect you to be.

 

[Doc1]

who will be the first moron to lay out the conspiracy rhetoric as to why she wasnt busted ?

12 investigations led by house republicans and nothing - NOTHING

WHY ?

Hillary was indeed investigated by the FBI for receiving and transmitting classified materials on her private server. It was confirmed that she had indeed broken the law by doing so. Then James Comey claimed that he wouldn't support prosecuting her because he didn't believe that Hillary "intended" to do anything malicious. Hence, she skated. You or I would have gone to prison.

Bullshit, no one was ever prosecuted for mishandling classified information without intent, let alone gone to prison.

General Petreus was caught red handed taking highly classified documents home so his journalist lover could have a go at them. Clear mishandling with ill intent to distribute and all he got was a probation.

Prosecuting Hillary under a statute without intent would be UNPRECEDENTED.

Bullshit, no one was ever prosecuted for mishandling classified information without intent, let alone gone to prison.

If you can, please copy and paste the applicable law which backs up your claim that intent matters.

He's just another lying hack.

 

[AntonToo]

I'm not your little fetch dog, you want to say that case is comparable? Ok prove it.

That sailor did far less than Hillary. He went to prison and Hillary skated.

WTF are you talking about?

He took panaramic pictures of nuclear submarine engine room, that everyone knew Chinese were willing to pay big bucks to see. He then disposed of the phone that took pictures (it was found at the dump and forwarded to authorities, which is how he got caught) and after interview with FBI went home and smashed up his laptop.

Prosecutor brought charges WITH INTENT to conduct espionage.

I'm not arguing that he shouldn't have been prosecuted. I'm merely pointing out that Hillary also broke the law, skated, and now many liberals don't believe she ever did anything improper.

Tell us. Did Hillary break the law?

Yes, Hillary broke an unconstitutional law that no one has ever been prosecuted under.

When Comey said no prosecutor would bring mishandling charges without intent he was 100% correct. Such prosecution would be a SPECIAL TREATMENT.

You're wrong. I gave you examples to prove that you're wrong. You're in delusional denial.

No you didn't - Prosecutors always brought charges WITH INTENT.

What of this do you not get?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You have to take marked top secret documents, from their proper secured place on the top secret government server, and then use them in an improper manner in order to be charged with any of the Espionage Act laws.

No one from Hillary's team took any marked and stored top secret documents or emails from the government's top secret server and transferred them to Hillary's unclassified server.

The 4 top secret email chains that were on her server, were emails they received from someone outside of our government, Syd Blumenthal.

This is why they were unmarked.....they did not come from the government's proper storing place.

This is why her team did not KNOW it was top Secret classified information.

This is why she, and none of her staff, were or could be, charged with a crime.

This is why they UNKNOWINGLY had top secret information on her server.

END OF STORY.....

You have to take marked top secret documents, from their proper secured place on the top secret government server, and then use them in an improper manner in order to be charged with any of the Espionage Act laws.

No one from Hillary's team took any marked and stored top secret documents or emails from the government's top secret server and transferred them to Hillary's unclassified server.


“It takes a very conscious effort to move a classified email or cable from the classified systems over to the unsecured open system and then send it to Hillary Clinton’s personal email account,” said Raymond Fournier, a veteran Diplomatic Security Service special agent. “That’s no less than a two-conscious-step process.”

He says it’s clear from some of the classified emails made public that someone on Clinton’s staff essentially “cut and pasted” content from classified cables into the messages sent to her. The classified markings are gone, but the content is classified at the highest levels — and so sensitive in nature that “it would have been obvious to Clinton.” Most likely the information was, in turn, emailed to her via NIPRNet.

To work around the closed, classified systems, which are accessible only by secure desktop workstations whose hard drives must be removed and stored overnight in a safe, Clinton’s staff would have simply retyped classified information from the systems into the non-classified system or taken a screen shot of the classified document, Fournier said. “Either way, it’s totally illegal.”

https://nypost.com/2016/01/24/hillarys-team-copied-intel-off-top-secret-server-to-email/

Nope, NONE OF THAT turned out to be true, not one itty bitty bit....all conjecture and spin that fell flat....

Nope, NONE OF THAT turned out to be true, not one itty bitty bit.

Link?

 

[iceberg]

who will be the first moron to lay out the conspiracy rhetoric as to why she wasnt busted ?

12 investigations led by house republicans and nothing - NOTHING

WHY ?

Hillary was indeed investigated by the FBI for receiving and transmitting classified materials on her private server. It was confirmed that she had indeed broken the law by doing so. Then James Comey claimed that he wouldn't support prosecuting her because he didn't believe that Hillary "intended" to do anything malicious. Hence, she skated. You or I would have gone to prison.

Bullshit, no one was ever prosecuted for mishandling classified information without intent, let alone gone to prison.

General Petreus was caught RED HANDED taking highly classified documents home so his journalist lover could have a go at them. Clear mishandling with ill intent and all he got was a probation.

Prosecuting Hillary under a statute without intent would be UNPRECEDENTED.

US Navy sailor jailed for taking photos of classified areas of nuclear submarine

so, showing your children what you used to do is now intent to commit a crime?

Dummy, he was charged under statute that requires intent.

Prosecutor believed this sailor was conducting espionage.

you said intent had to be there and proven. it doesn't seem to be there or proven.

funny how quickly your story changes to make sure "facts" line up with your fantasies.

 

[AntonToo]

who will be the first moron to lay out the conspiracy rhetoric as to why she wasnt busted ?

12 investigations led by house republicans and nothing - NOTHING

WHY ?

Hillary was indeed investigated by the FBI for receiving and transmitting classified materials on her private server. It was confirmed that she had indeed broken the law by doing so. Then James Comey claimed that he wouldn't support prosecuting her because he didn't believe that Hillary "intended" to do anything malicious. Hence, she skated. You or I would have gone to prison.

Bullshit, no one was ever prosecuted for mishandling classified information without intent, let alone gone to prison.

General Petreus was caught RED HANDED taking highly classified documents home so his journalist lover could have a go at them. Clear mishandling with ill intent and all he got was a probation.

Prosecuting Hillary under a statute without intent would be UNPRECEDENTED.

US Navy sailor jailed for taking photos of classified areas of nuclear submarine

so, showing your children what you used to do is now intent to commit a crime?

Dummy, he was charged under statute that requires intent.

Prosecutor believed this sailor was conducting espionage.

you said intent had to be there and proven. it doesn't seem to be there or proven.

funny how quickly your story changes to make sure "facts" line up with your fantasies.

Doesn't seem to be there? After taking careful, panoramic pictures of the nuclear engine compartment and then trying to destroy evidence of that happening?

Are you on drugs? Clearly sailor was trying to make a buck on a side by selling classified materials.

Such obvious ill intent is simply not there in Clinton's case.

 

[deanrd]

This is just common knowledge and, yet, there are countless liberals here and elsewhere that claim it never happened. James Comey testified to Congress that she transmitted and received classified material on her private server. Are the liberals that deny this fact just astoundingly ignorant or are they just liars?

They would have published it redacted if she had, obviously.

 

[iceberg]

who will be the first moron to lay out the conspiracy rhetoric as to why she wasnt busted ?

12 investigations led by house republicans and nothing - NOTHING

WHY ?

Hillary was indeed investigated by the FBI for receiving and transmitting classified materials on her private server. It was confirmed that she had indeed broken the law by doing so. Then James Comey claimed that he wouldn't support prosecuting her because he didn't believe that Hillary "intended" to do anything malicious. Hence, she skated. You or I would have gone to prison.

Bullshit, no one was ever prosecuted for mishandling classified information without intent, let alone gone to prison.

General Petreus was caught RED HANDED taking highly classified documents home so his journalist lover could have a go at them. Clear mishandling with ill intent and all he got was a probation.

Prosecuting Hillary under a statute without intent would be UNPRECEDENTED.

US Navy sailor jailed for taking photos of classified areas of nuclear submarine

so, showing your children what you used to do is now intent to commit a crime?

Dummy, he was charged under statute that requires intent.

Prosecutor believed this sailor was conducting espionage.

And he lied about it, twice. Plus it was top secret Defense stuff, and he was in the military which has stronger rules than for a civilian like Hillary and her staff...

Same with Petreaus, he lied about it to the FBI, twice as well.... and he was only charged with a misdemeanor....not even a felony....

not about to argue petreaus knew better. he did. the sailor on the other hand likely knew better but i do not believe his intent was to do more than what he said - show his family and kids what he did for a living.

given how the clinton family LOVES to play wordsmith games, i fail to believe she didn't know what she was doing in the same manner, just didn't care and believed like many - they are above the law and it would never come back to them.

none of us on either side should be above the law and we should not defend those who break the law for the biggest reason being - they're on our side and we don't want to give into the other side.

guess that's (2) reasons.

 

[K9Buck]

No you didn't - Prosecutors always brought charges WITH INTENT. What of this do you not get?

Oh, Hillary didn't "intend" to break the law? LOL. Hillary knew full-well that what she was doing was against the law. She absolutely INTENDED to break the law. Hillary, Obama, Lynch, Comey and the upper echelons of the FBI were all totally corrupt and the fix was in from the beginning to exonerate Hillary NO MATTER WHAT.

 

[bendog]

Post the statute, let's see where it speaks of "intent".

I'm not your little fetch dog, you want to say that case is comparable? Ok prove it.

That sailor did far less than Hillary. He went to prison and Hillary skated.

WTF are you talking about?

He took panaramic pictures of nuclear submarine engine room, that everyone knew Chinese were willing to pay big bucks to see. He then disposed of the phone that took pictures (it was found at the dump and forwarded to authorities, which is how he got caught) and after interview with FBI went home and smashed up his laptop.

Prosecutor brought charges WITH INTENT to conduct espionage.

I'm not arguing that he shouldn't have been prosecuted. I'm merely pointing out that Hillary also broke the law, skated, and now many liberals don't believe she ever did anything improper.

Tell us. Did Hillary break the law?

Yes, Hillary broke an unconstitutional law that no one has ever been prosecuted under.

When Comey said no prosecutor would bring mishandling charges without intent he was 100% correct. Such prosecution would be a SPECIAL TREATMENT.

I'm not sure the law is unconstitutional for failing to specify there must be an intent to disseminate secret information or not, because there is an intent element in simply pushing the send button for the elec message. But, you are right that Comey declined to prosecute supposedly because Hill lacked specific intent to disclose secret matl. The FBI was forced to make a political decision because Slick compromised the AG.

But the whole "secret" thing itself was a political gotcha charge because of the lack of specific intent. It should be illegal for SoS to use personal email to solicit donations, esp from foreign countries, for her personal "foundation."

It also should be illegal for a pres candidate to send his sons and campaign manager to meet with a Russian spy to get dirt on his opponent, and we can all see where that is going too.

 

[LeftofLeft]

The same liberals certain that Trump colluded with the Russians to meddle in US Elections with cyber attacks are the same ones certain that Hillary using an unmanaged server to transmit and store government data was secure because she says so. Even if she believes her server and communications were secure, only cyber Forensics can go beyond human intentions and validate or disprove. Same with the Trump Russia DNC hack accusations. If Democrats are so certain in both instances, bring forth the assets and let’s do a Forensics sweep.

 

[AntonToo]

Hillary was indeed investigated by the FBI for receiving and transmitting classified materials on her private server. It was confirmed that she had indeed broken the law by doing so. Then James Comey claimed that he wouldn't support prosecuting her because he didn't believe that Hillary "intended" to do anything malicious. Hence, she skated. You or I would have gone to prison.

Bullshit, no one was ever prosecuted for mishandling classified information without intent, let alone gone to prison.

General Petreus was caught RED HANDED taking highly classified documents home so his journalist lover could have a go at them. Clear mishandling with ill intent and all he got was a probation.

Prosecuting Hillary under a statute without intent would be UNPRECEDENTED.

US Navy sailor jailed for taking photos of classified areas of nuclear submarine

so, showing your children what you used to do is now intent to commit a crime?

Dummy, he was charged under statute that requires intent.

Prosecutor believed this sailor was conducting espionage.

And he lied about it, twice. Plus it was top secret Defense stuff, and he was in the military which has stronger rules than for a civilian like Hillary and her staff...

Same with Petreaus, he lied about it to the FBI, twice as well.... and he was only charged with a misdemeanor....not even a felony....

not about to argue petreaus knew better. he did. the sailor on the other hand likely knew better but i do not believe his intent was to do more than what he said - show his family and kids what he did for a living.

given how the clinton family LOVES to play wordsmith games, i fail to believe she didn't know what she was doing in the same manner, just didn't care and believed like many - they are above the law and it would never come back to them.

none of us on either side should be above the law and we should not defend those who break the law for the biggest reason being - they're on our side and we don't want to give into the other side.

guess that's (2) reasons.

You don't need carefully constructed panoramic view of the nuclear engine room (and nothing else) and then dispose of your phone to show what you do to your family.

Prosecutor believed there was intent and that's why he brought charges. If there was just a selfie in the engine room sailor would just get slap on the wrist.