Why Didn't Mary Just Tell Them?

[irosie91]

I can solve all this for you.
There is no evidence she married anyone.
If you believe she got pregnant before she "married", she has already got off side with God yet she goes off to be the mother of a son of God whilst a virgin at the same time. That makes no sense. The ten commandments talks about adultery etc.

She wasn't a virgin as research says she was the mother of 6 children of which Jesus was the third. So much for the virgin births. She enjoyed a bit of slap and tickle behind the camel shed far too often it appears.

The whole story is a myth and should never have been fabricated then expected people believe it.
It's all rubbish. Stay away from that.

^^^^^ SILLY TO SAY "ALL RUBBISH" of course the hollywood aspects are silly----but
one should not describe scriptural writtings as "all rubbish"------they have points of value
for the broad mind

 

[BreezeWood]

Sure is proof of infidelity. Ask Jewish Joseph. It took God to convince him...
And it's, RAM. No italics necessary.
And if Potterhead wanted to be called Pothead, she would have chosen that name. You are just being nasty, Rosie. Take a break from all the hate...

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Sure is proof of infidelity. Ask Jewish Joseph. It took God to convince him...

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liberated mary was - ok ...

a pure example of 4th century corruption - of the 1st century events and their meaning, mary was not and never would be a christian. crucifier.

 

[The Irish Ram]

You have PLENTY of cause to ATTACK----just as I was attacked by people like you----
little girls in plaid jumpers-----when I was five and walking home from Kindergarten.
They screamed as they threw rocks----YOU KILLED JESUS------the five year old sluts from
St Anne;s farted. It's your HERITAGE. I find it interesting that you ended your post with
a jewish prayer. An anecdote. I had a friend who was actually an "iranian kurdish jew"
Kurdish jews are known for being a bit "out of it" ---She was very bright. She had a KEY CHAIN
that had engraved thereon-----what I KNOW to be the "LORD'S PRAYER"---ie --our father who art
in heaven -----but wirtten in Hebrew. She was an orthodox jew so I told her "do you know
what this is"???? She looked at it and said---"a jewish prayer" "a nice lady gave it to me
at the airport" I did not even try to explain that she had been the victim of STEALTH
PROSELYTIZATION-----why aggravate her? PS-----the "SERMON ON THE MOUNT"---marks
Jesus for what he was-----a typical Pharisee jew. Don't tell your sunday school whore---she
might drop dead

I am really glad you finally shared what was behind the Catholic issue. And I want to you to know if I had been there, I would have hugged you then and if I could, I would hug you now. I've always hated bullies, and have stood between the one they were hurting and the ones doing the hurting more than once. I just don't understand why someone gets pleasure out of hurting someone's feelings. If you have the choice, why not lift someone up instead of tearing them down.

Probably about 70% of the town I grew up in was Catholic, so I thought back to try to remember any time when one of my Catholic friends, male or female, bullied or teased some one. And I couldn't recall one. Had anyone of them been at St. Ann's they would have walked right over to you, put their arms around you and asked you if you were ok. They were truly wonderful kids and are as kind and loving today.

What happened to you was you were teased by some little pricks who happened to be Catholic. Don't let them hurt you anymore. Thank them for your strong resolve. Do what Yahweh does:

You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good...

 

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NO! Mary & Joseph were already married, Mary was a virgin she and Joseph never had sex Mary was conceived by the holy spirit Joseph was going to divorce Mary because he thought she committed adultery they would have stoned her to death and would have been looked down upon by the community this can be found in the Holy Bible (Matthew 1:18-25)

 

[irosie91]

NO! Mary & Joseph were already married, Mary was a virgin she and Joseph never had sex Mary was conceived by the holy spirit Joseph was going to divorce Mary because he thought she committed adultery they would have stoned her to death and would have been looked down upon by the community this can be found in the Holy Bible (Matthew 1:18-25)

who is "they" ? You seem to imagine that "THE COMMUNITY" could have stoned a girl
for being pregnant. Wrong again----the ONLY way anyone got executed was by via a trial by
the Sanhedrin or a man could divorce a woman because he "thought" she committed
adultery and his THOUGHT would have made it legal for "the community" to kill her.
You are thinking of ROMAN LAW. Actually------a divorce----if that is what Joseph wanted,
would have ended the imaginary problem.

 

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irosie91 You misinterpreted what I said to fit your own narrative you can't read take a class!

 

[irosie91]

John the Baptist was beheaded because a girl danced and wanted his head as a reward.
Jesus was absolutely NOT one of the Pharisees. They had Jesus put to death for NOT being one of them. He railed against the Pharisees and used them as an example of how not to be.
The Pharisees had Jesus put to death.
Just stop Rosie...

"John the Baptist was beheaded because a girl danced and wanted his head as a reward."
oh gee-----did the sunday school teacher claim that the dancing girl was a pharisee?
Ram----read the NT again and try to use your brain. ----not only was Jesus a pharisee--
but so was John the Baptist which is why he was killed. (for the record---ESSENES were,
essentially, pharisees)

 

[irosie91]

irosie91 You misinterpreted what I said to fit your own narrative you can't read take a class!

You did not say that Mary would have been stoned if Joseph claimed that she committed
adultery and divorced her? I know how to read . I will help you---Joseph COULD
have divorced her by citing a reason------his "REASON" could not have gotten her "stoned"
no matter what your sunday school teacher claimed. In fact, Unless he could actually
PROVE that his charge of adultery was TRUE-----he could not even divorce her IF he claimed
that adultery was his REASON. He could come up with a different reason. Jewish
Jurisprudence is NOT THAT MUCH OF A MYSTERY

 

[irosie91]

That was an analogy I used for Potterhead. She got it. You did not. You are to angry to continue this debate. You should take a break.
Again, not Catholic and never went to catechism, but I grew up with lots and lots of Catholics and love my friends dearly to this day. We all grew up as family in my little town and I wouldn't trade them for all the Torahs in the world. And they all love the Lord. I will be with them all for eternity. Thank you Jesus!

As for your opinion of them:
Matthew 7:1-3 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Funny thing, I have never heard one of my Catholic friends smear Jews, the way you sneer at Catholics...

You are not a jew------no one on the playground would be likely to accuse you of
killing some guy named Jesus. Do you think I smeared catholics by stating that
some accused me at the age of five of "killing Jesus"?

 

[irosie91]

Uh....

Leviticus 20:10​

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New International Version​

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10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

UH nothing----nowhere is there any suggestion that pregnancy is PROOF of adultery.
Rape was not considered "adultery" on the part of a rape victim. In the case of Mary
and Joseph who were "betrothed" -------what proof was there that the BABY DADDY
was not Joseph? IN FACT-----a girl who was RAPED out in the field ------was not considered an adultress since her SCREAMS would not be heard--------all of these details actually are handled
in the talmud. Your sunday school teacher missed it. You can trust her for the details of the
jellybean delivering bunny

 

[DudleySmith]

who is "they" ? You seem to imagine that "THE COMMUNITY" could have stoned a girl
for being pregnant. Wrong again----the ONLY way anyone got executed was by via a trial by
the Sanhedrin or a man could divorce a woman because he "thought" she committed
adultery and his THOUGHT would have made it legal for "the community" to kill her.
You are thinking of ROMAN LAW. Actually------a divorce----if that is what Joseph wanted,
would have ended the imaginary problem.

They had riots like every other 'culture' did back then, so yes, a mob could and did stone people to death in Jerusalem, and in Rome, Baghdad, Athens, and everywhere else.

 

[DudleySmith]

"John the Baptist was beheaded because a girl danced and wanted his head as a reward."
oh gee-----did the sunday school teacher claim that the dancing girl was a pharisee?
Ram----read the NT again and try to use your brain. ----not only was Jesus a pharisee--
but so was John the Baptist which is why he was killed. (for the record---ESSENES were,
essentially, pharisees)

The Essenes​

A third faction, the Essenes, emerged out of disgust with the other two. This sect believed the others had corrupted the city and the Temple. They moved out of Jerusalem and lived a monastic life in the desert, adopting strict dietary laws and a commitment to celibacy.


The Essenes are particularly interesting to scholars because they are believed to be an offshoot of the group that lived in Qumran, near the Dead Sea. In 1947, a Bedouin shepherd stumbled into a cave containing various ancient artifacts and jars containing manuscripts describing the beliefs of the sect and events of the time.


The most important documents, often only parchment fragments that had to be meticulously restored, were the earliest known copies of the Old Testament. The similarity of the substance of the material found in the scrolls to that in the modern scriptures has confirmed the authenticity of the Bible used today.

Pharisees, Sadducees & Essenes

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

You have to understand Rosie was raised and brainwashed by a cult of lunatic racist Hasidics, so take her bizarre 'all Xians iz Joo Hatin' Natzees' rants for what they are, neurotic blathering. Nobody's perfect.​

 

[irosie91]

The Essenes​

A third faction, the Essenes, emerged out of disgust with the other two. This sect believed the others had corrupted the city and the Temple. They moved out of Jerusalem and lived a monastic life in the desert, adopting strict dietary laws and a commitment to celibacy.


The Essenes are particularly interesting to scholars because they are believed to be an offshoot of the group that lived in Qumran, near the Dead Sea. In 1947, a Bedouin shepherd stumbled into a cave containing various ancient artifacts and jars containing manuscripts describing the beliefs of the sect and events of the time.


The most important documents, often only parchment fragments that had to be meticulously restored, were the earliest known copies of the Old Testament. The similarity of the substance of the material found in the scrolls to that in the modern scriptures has confirmed the authenticity of the Bible used today.

Pharisees, Sadducees & Essenes

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

You have to understand Rosie was raised and brainwashed by a cult of lunatic racist Hasidics, so take her bizarre 'all Xians iz Joo Hatin' Natzees' rants for what they are, neurotic blathering. Nobody's perfect.​

The Essenes were a monastic group that retreated to the desert to escape the filth of Rome---
Ideologically they were pharisees. Their lifestyle out there in the desert was socialistic. Reading their writings is not difficult---it is done in
standard Hebrew. One page I found amusing included their INTENSE agreement with EZRA ---(the prophet) in that they had a remarkable disdain for intermarriage with gentiles.
DUD the pig in the mud never met a Chassidic person. I have and admire them but never
joined up with their practices. The NT details actions by the person Jesus that are
very Chassiidic

 

[DudleySmith]

The Essenes were a monastic group that retreated to the desert to escape the filth of Rome---
Ideologically they were pharisees. Their lifestyle out there in the desert was socialistic. Reading their writings is not difficult---it is done in
standard Hebrew. One page I found amusing included their INTENSE agreement with EZRA ---(the prophet) in that they had a remarkable disdain for intermarriage with gentiles.
DUD the pig in the mud never met a Chassidic person. I have and admire them but never
joined up with their practices. The NT details actions by the person Jesus that are
very Chassiidic

lol sure rosie, sure ... they were not much like Pharisees at all, they just get lumped in with all of them. Most post-exile Jews were pretty much racists, that's a given; it was why they hated the Xians so much to begin with, since they didn't buy into the Temple scam and were reverting back to the Mosiac Torah. What passes for 'Orthodox' Judiams today was a 2nd Century Pharisee fabrication, with its ridiculous 'Oral Torah' nonsense and obsessions with racist cultism and bizarre legalisms.

 

[irosie91]

They had riots like every other 'culture' did back then, so yes, a mob could and did stone people to death in Jerusalem, and in Rome, Baghdad, Athens, and everywhere else.

what does RIOTS have to do with the discussion? There is no question that there was a
MURDER RATE and there were ASSASSINATIONS for various reasons. I believe that the story
of "JAMES" and his execution was a riot----in the form of a lynch mob. It was not
mediated by the sanhedrin as a judicial execution. The idea that little mary would have
been killed by a mob because Joseph might divorce her is beyond idiotic. I understand you,
dud. I grew up in a town that was majority Wasp AND which harbored a catholic school ---
for the largely Irish catholic population. SUNDAY was a holiday----girls my age in
pastel dresses on the way to Sunday school-----I got invited many times. The stupidity
that permeated both the catholic and protestant population equaled yours. You bring
up an interesting FACT------if people wanted to KILL Jesus-----what was stopping them?
According to the NT he hung around with Pharisees------who could have EASILY knocked him
off if they wanted to.

 

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You have to understand Rosie was raised and brainwashed by a cult of lunatic racist Hasidics, so take her bizarre 'all Xians iz Joo Hatin' Natzees' rants for what they are, neurotic blathering. Nobody's perfect.​

Don't waste your time going back and forth with uneducated people who misinterpret what you say to fit their own narrative she is brainwashed with lies and can't fully comprehend that Mary would have been stoned to death if there was an accusation of adultery in their marriage NOT "because Joseph might divorce her". I'm starting to think she has too much stare time on her hands to sit up here and argue with strangers about her personal opinions and not FACTS

 

[irosie91]

Don't waste your time going back and forth with uneducated people who misinterpret what you say to fit their own narrative she is brainwashed with lies and can't fully comprehend that Mary would have been stoned to death if there was an accusation of adultery in their marriage NOT "because Joseph might divorce her". I'm starting to think she has too much stare time on her hands to sit up here and argue with strangers about her personal opinions and not FACTS

WRONG----she would NOT have been stoned to death if Joseph accused her of adultery.
Of course you will have no problem finding such a case in the literature (try to exclude
Salem Massachusetts) Interestingly----accusations of adultery IS a topic in the Talmud---
go check----it's easy to find. Your sunday school whore missed it

 

[irosie91]

lol sure rosie, sure ... they were not much like Pharisees at all, they just get lumped in with all of them. Most post-exile Jews were pretty much racists, that's a given; it was why they hated the Xians so much to begin with, since they didn't buy into the Temple scam and were reverting back to the Mosiac Torah. What passes for 'Orthodox' Judiams today was a 2nd Century Pharisee fabrication, with its ridiculous 'Oral Torah' nonsense and obsessions with racist cultism and bizarre legalisms.

DUD----calm youself----I do not hold you responsible for the FACT---that the HOLEY MOLEY
ROMAN EMPIRE ----founded by the jerk who saw a big cross in the sky was DEEP into one
genocide after the other -----not even for the animal CONSTANTINE's elaboration of the
"canon" law which legalizes genocide. The blood of the hundreds of millions who died
as a result of that REVELATION GIANT CROSS IN THE SKY------in not on your hands.
an interestng BIZARRE legalism in the talmud >>> if a husband tried to accuse his
wife of adultery and fails to PROVE IT (pregnancy is not a proof) ---he gets STUCK with
her for life. In the idiot case under discussion----poor joseph would have NO WAY of
proving such an allegation. Whom would they "stone" our all time fave "HOLY GHOST"
(catholic parlance) ------even IF that stoning BS were true

 

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irosie91 In the Bible, however, adultery is in fact punishable by stoning (Deut. 22:20–24; Lev. 20:10), whereas the Qur’an prescribes a lighter punish-ment for this offfence, namely a hundred lashes (Q. 24:2). Stoning as a punishment for adultery is not mentioned in the Qur’an itself, but can be found in the tradition literature (hadith) and is included in the sha-ria, in which it is stated that this cruel punishment can only be imposed if a number of conditions are met! CASE CLOSED!

 

[irosie91]

I am really glad you finally shared what was behind the Catholic issue. And I want to you to know if I had been there, I would have hugged you then and if I could, I would hug you now. I've always hated bullies, and have stood between the one they were hurting and the ones doing the hurting more than once. I just don't understand why someone gets pleasure out of hurting someone's feelings. If you have the choice, why not lift someone up instead of tearing them down.

Probably about 70% of the town I grew up in was Catholic, so I thought back to try to remember any time when one of my Catholic friends, male or female, bullied or teased some one. And I couldn't recall one. Had anyone of them been at St. Ann's they would have walked right over to you, put their arms around you and asked you if you were ok. They were truly wonderful kids and are as kind and loving today.

What happened to you was you were teased by some little pricks who happened to be Catholic. Don't let them hurt you anymore. Thank them for your strong resolve. Do what Yahweh does:

You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good...

"Happened to be Catholic"----ya mean like Adolf Hitler and Joseph and Magda Goebbels?

irosie91 In the Bible, however, adultery is in fact punishable by stoning (Deut. 22:20–24; Lev. 20:10), whereas the Qur’an prescribes a lighter punish-ment for this offfence, namely a hundred lashes (Q. 24:2). Stoning as a punishment for adultery is not mentioned in the Qur’an itself, but can be found in the tradition literature (hadith) and is included in the sha-ria, in which it is stated that this cruel punishment can only be imposed if a number of conditions are met! CASE CLOSED!

wrong again------you left out the all important ORAL LAW ----expounded upon and
recorded in the TALMUD which mediates practice. IN FACT, execution for adultery
was entirely repudiated long before Jesus was born EXPLICITLY and had never been a
consistent practice. THEORETICALLY it could be imposed on a person who invents
a CULT of sexual license and endorses or imposes it, As to the koran----you got that one
wrong too, The 100 lashes is NOT for adultery (which is still stoning) ----it is for
FORNICATION -- you need a definition? Execution is STILL mandatory for a non
muslim who has sex with a muslim woman in islamic law. Your understanding of islamic
law is as idiotic as your understanding of biblical law. -------If you go to a shariah adherent
country-------make sure you touch neither a muslim woman, child or copy of the koran and
DON'T give anyone a copy of the bible