Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

[Dot Com]

I am still waiting to see what Obama did that was different in Iraq?

Are you really that stupid? Obama got us OUT of Iraq, whereas Jr. and McCain wanted to keep us there for 100 years.

And now? He's trying to get us out of Afghanistan.

A lot of people have died because of that decision. Let me guess, its ok since they aren't Americans. Iraqi lives must not matter.

sooo..... that would mean that your a big gov't, nation-building, budget-busting conservative?

 

[Dot Com]

I am still waiting to see what Obama did that was different in Iraq?

Are you really that stupid? Obama got us OUT of Iraq, whereas Jr. and McCain wanted to keep us there for 100 years.

And now? He's trying to get us out of Afghanistan.

Obama got us out of Iraq because Bush had already made the deal with the status of forces agreement. Obama didn't have any choice but to leave. If Obama had negotated in good faith to keep a detachment of Special Ops troops in Iraq, they could have maintained the gains Bush made, but he wasn't capable of doing that. As a result, Iraq is back in the shitter with Al Queda terrorizing the country.

And now, after 5 years and tripleing the number of troops in Afghanistan and having twice as many American soldiers killed as Bush did, he is going to pull the same trick and cut and run.

link?

How many years/decades would your occupation scenario have lasted and how many $TRILLIONS of borrowed taxpayer $$$ more would it have costed and how many more servicemen's lives/families destroyed

 

[georgephillip]

Why did we invade Iraq?

Even if you're able to forgive bush and his cronies for putting us so deeply in debt that it will take generations to dig us out, the wanton and needless killing and maiming of so many Americans and others is just unforgivable.

Especially since vets ow have to keep fighting for every little crumb they get.

so how 'bout, while you're at it, you get cranked up about LBJ...?

A good idea:

"Current criticism over Halliburton's lucrative Iraq contracts has some historians drawing parallels to a similar controversy involving the company during Lyndon B. Johnson's administration.

"Nearly 40 years ago, Halliburton faced almost identical charges over its work for the U.S. government in Vietnam — allegations of overcharging, sweetheart contracts from the White House and war profiteering.

"Back then, the company's close ties to President Johnson became a liability.

"Today — as NPR's John Burnett reports in the last of a three-part series — Halliburton seems to be distancing itself from its former chief executive officer, Vice President Dick Cheney.

"The story of Halliburton's ties to the White House dates back to the 1940s, when a Texas firm called Brown & Root constructed a massive dam project near Austin..."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1569483

Ready for President Cruz and Halliburton rebuilding Mexico?

 

[Quadravius]

Why would anyone in their right mind sign up for the us military? They are gonna send you into fighting some country we shouldnt be fighting, and there is a really good change your coming back missing an arm, leg, eye or a face. But you know, theyre out there fighting for our freedoms at home right?

 

[thanatos144]

Are you really that stupid? Obama got us OUT of Iraq, whereas Jr. and McCain wanted to keep us there for 100 years.

And now? He's trying to get us out of Afghanistan.

Obama got us out of Iraq because Bush had already made the deal with the status of forces agreement. Obama didn't have any choice but to leave. If Obama had negotated in good faith to keep a detachment of Special Ops troops in Iraq, they could have maintained the gains Bush made, but he wasn't capable of doing that. As a result, Iraq is back in the shitter with Al Queda terrorizing the country.

And now, after 5 years and tripleing the number of troops in Afghanistan and having twice as many American soldiers killed as Bush did, he is going to pull the same trick and cut and run.

Obama had to pull the troops out, there was nothing left worth bombing.

No he didn't you lying ass. He followed the time table the BUSH administration made.

 

[thanatos144]

Why would anyone in their right mind sign up for the us military? They are gonna send you into fighting some country we shouldnt be fighting, and there is a really good change your coming back missing an arm, leg, eye or a face. But you know, theyre out there fighting for our freedoms at home right?

Thats right they go and fight so you can write ******* despicable posts like you just did you ungrateful piece of shit!

 

[ABikerSailor]

Why would anyone in their right mind sign up for the us military? They are gonna send you into fighting some country we shouldnt be fighting, and there is a really good change your coming back missing an arm, leg, eye or a face. But you know, theyre out there fighting for our freedoms at home right?

Actually, most of us sign up believing that we are serving our country and defending the rights of those like you who would belittle our service.

I served because I love this country, and yeah.................I served enough years (read 21) because I thought a lot of this land I love, and the people in it (even if they're as ignorant as you).

It's not the military that you should be pissed at, we just do what our orders state we have to do. You should be pissed at those that send us into senseless wars. Jr. and Cheney are good subjects, we should have never gone into Iraq.

Don't hate the military, hate those that sent them into hopeless conflicts.

 

[georgephillip]

Why would anyone in their right mind sign up for the us military? They are gonna send you into fighting some country we shouldnt be fighting, and there is a really good change your coming back missing an arm, leg, eye or a face. But you know, theyre out there fighting for our freedoms at home right?

Thats right they go and fight so you can write ******* despicable posts like you just did you ungrateful piece of shit!

Do you honestly believe our First Amendment rights would have been compromised more than they already have been if no US service members had gone to war since 1945?

 

[Bumberclyde]

Why would anyone in their right mind sign up for the us military? They are gonna send you into fighting some country we shouldnt be fighting, and there is a really good change your coming back missing an arm, leg, eye or a face. But you know, theyre out there fighting for our freedoms at home right?

Actually, most of us sign up believing that we are serving our country and defending the rights of those like you who would belittle our service.

I served because I love this country, and yeah.................I served enough years (read 21) because I thought a lot of this land I love, and the people in it (even if they're as ignorant as you).

It's not the military that you should be pissed at, we just do what our orders state we have to do. You should be pissed at those that send us into senseless wars. Jr. and Cheney are good subjects, we should have never gone into Iraq.

Don't hate the military, hate those that sent them into hopeless conflicts.

I hear what you're saying, but why would anyone who isn't insane sign up DURING an unjust war like Iraq, Afghanistan, Nam...

 

[thanatos144]

Why would anyone in their right mind sign up for the us military? They are gonna send you into fighting some country we shouldnt be fighting, and there is a really good change your coming back missing an arm, leg, eye or a face. But you know, theyre out there fighting for our freedoms at home right?

Thats right they go and fight so you can write ******* despicable posts like you just did you ungrateful piece of shit!

Do you honestly believe our First Amendment rights would have been compromised more than they already have been if no US service members had gone to war since 1945?

Yes. I do

 

[georgephillip]

Thats right they go and fight so you can write ******* despicable posts like you just did you ungrateful piece of shit!

Do you honestly believe our First Amendment rights would have been compromised more than they already have been if no US service members had gone to war since 1945?

Yes. I do

"Korea 1950-1953 1952
Current Year $ 30 billion 4.2% 13.2%
Constant FY2011$ 341 billion
Vietnam 1965-1975 1968
Current Year $ 111 billion 2.3% 9.5%
Constant FY2011$ 738 billion
Persian Gulf Warb 1990-1991 1991
Current Year $ 61 billion 0.3% 4.6%
Constant FY2011$ 102 billion
Iraq 2003-2010 2008
Current Year $ 715 billion 1.0% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 784 billion
Afghanistan/Otherac 2001-2010 2010
Current Year $ 297 billion 0.7% 4.9%
Constant FY2011$ 321 billion
Total Post-9/11—Iraq,
Afghanistan/Otherd 2001-2010 2008
Current Year $ 1,046 billion 1.2% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 1,147 billion
Sources: All estimates are of the costs of military operations only and do not reflect costs of veterans’ benefits,
interest on war-related debt, or assistance to allies. Except for costs of the American Revolution and the Civil
War costs of the Confederacy, all estimates are based on U.S. government budget data."

$Trillions spent on invasions and occupations along with millions of innocent civilians maimed, murdered, and displaced since 1945 for what exactly?

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

 

[gipper]

Do you honestly believe our First Amendment rights would have been compromised more than they already have been if no US service members had gone to war since 1945?

Yes. I do

"Korea 1950-1953 1952
Current Year $ 30 billion 4.2% 13.2%
Constant FY2011$ 341 billion
Vietnam 1965-1975 1968
Current Year $ 111 billion 2.3% 9.5%
Constant FY2011$ 738 billion
Persian Gulf Warb 1990-1991 1991
Current Year $ 61 billion 0.3% 4.6%
Constant FY2011$ 102 billion
Iraq 2003-2010 2008
Current Year $ 715 billion 1.0% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 784 billion
Afghanistan/Otherac 2001-2010 2010
Current Year $ 297 billion 0.7% 4.9%
Constant FY2011$ 321 billion
Total Post-9/11—Iraq,
Afghanistan/Otherd 2001-2010 2008
Current Year $ 1,046 billion 1.2% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 1,147 billion
Sources: All estimates are of the costs of military operations only and do not reflect costs of veterans’ benefits,
interest on war-related debt, or assistance to allies. Except for costs of the American Revolution and the Civil
War costs of the Confederacy, all estimates are based on U.S. government budget data."

$Trillions spent on invasions and occupations along with millions of innocent civilians maimed, murdered, and displaced since 1945 for what exactly?

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

All these wars were NOT about protecting the freedoms of Americans.

They were all about enriching the power elite and growing the size and power of the central government.

Simply put, 'war is the health of the state.'

 

[bianco]

All these wars were NOT about protecting the freedoms of Americans.

#####

Not too sure about that.
Freedoms, and economy seems to me.

Wheat is war, and US enjoys a triumph without scrutiny - National

2006

WHEN a handful of AWB executives and Iraq Grains Board officials met in Cairo last year to negotiate a $900 million wheat deal, they were being watched.

As they moved around the Egyptian capital, the Australians were shadowed by a small group of personnel from the US Government's foreign agricultural service who were hell-bent on finding out what AWB was up to.

This was in January 2005, a time when AWB still had a good reputation. It would be another 10 months before a United Nations report outed AWB for paying $290 million in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein's regime.

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Normal business procedure when dealing with Saddam's Iraq..."facilitation payments" and "transport costs" think they were called.
If Aussie doesn't sell grain crops...and dig stuff up and sell it...he goes broke and starves to death...most of the time the nation is in drought.



"They started following every move made by the AWB guys," said a source familiar with the events in Cairo. "When the Americans found out the Australians were staying at the same hotel as the guys from the IGB (Iraq Grains Board), they packed up from where they were staying and moved into the same hotel."

Despite the heavy US attention, the Australians managed to secure an agreement from the Iraqis for a huge 2.6 million-tonne wheat contract — AWB's biggest ever single deal.

But it was not long before the US officials found out and made direct protests to senior Iraq Government ministers, according to sources. The Iraqis, including then prime minister Iyad Allawi, were told by the US ambassador in Baghdad that the deal with Australia was not to go ahead.

And so the contract was cancelled. So too was a planned visit to Australia by Iraq's then trade minister Muhammed al-Jabouri. Meetings with Australia's then trade minister, now Deputy Prime Minister Mark Vaile, were abandoned.

Wheat is where the Coalition of the Willing turns nasty. Though allies on Iraq's battlefields, the war-torn country has played host to an extraordinary fight between Australia and the US over who controls one of the Middle East's most lucrative wheat markets.

#####

US does the best for the US...as everyone else does for themselves.

"Look after yourself first in this world, son...because nobody else will" - my first boss, on my first day of life in the workplace.


"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" - Chairman Mao.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Yes. I do

"Korea 1950-1953 1952
Current Year $ 30 billion 4.2% 13.2%
Constant FY2011$ 341 billion
Vietnam 1965-1975 1968
Current Year $ 111 billion 2.3% 9.5%
Constant FY2011$ 738 billion
Persian Gulf Warb 1990-1991 1991
Current Year $ 61 billion 0.3% 4.6%
Constant FY2011$ 102 billion
Iraq 2003-2010 2008
Current Year $ 715 billion 1.0% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 784 billion
Afghanistan/Otherac 2001-2010 2010
Current Year $ 297 billion 0.7% 4.9%
Constant FY2011$ 321 billion
Total Post-9/11—Iraq,
Afghanistan/Otherd 2001-2010 2008
Current Year $ 1,046 billion 1.2% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 1,147 billion
Sources: All estimates are of the costs of military operations only and do not reflect costs of veterans’ benefits,
interest on war-related debt, or assistance to allies. Except for costs of the American Revolution and the Civil
War costs of the Confederacy, all estimates are based on U.S. government budget data."

$Trillions spent on invasions and occupations along with millions of innocent civilians maimed, murdered, and displaced since 1945 for what exactly?

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

All these wars were NOT about protecting the freedoms of Americans.

They were all about enriching the power elite and growing the size and power of the central government.

Simply put, 'war is the health of the state.'

Sez you. Everybody is entitled to an opinion even ignorant bullshit like you spout.
Endless repetition is not going to allow you to make up your own idiotic history and have anyone believe your drivel though.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Why would anyone in their right mind sign up for the us military? They are gonna send you into fighting some country we shouldnt be fighting, and there is a really good change your coming back missing an arm, leg, eye or a face. But you know, theyre out there fighting for our freedoms at home right?

Actually, most of us sign up believing that we are serving our country and defending the rights of those like you who would belittle our service.

I served because I love this country, and yeah.................I served enough years (read 21) because I thought a lot of this land I love, and the people in it (even if they're as ignorant as you).

It's not the military that you should be pissed at, we just do what our orders state we have to do. You should be pissed at those that send us into senseless wars. Jr. and Cheney are good subjects, we should have never gone into Iraq.

Don't hate the military, hate those that sent them into hopeless conflicts.

I hear what you're saying, but why would anyone who isn't insane sign up DURING an unjust war like Iraq, Afghanistan, Nam...

The obvious reason. That they did not believe those wars were unjust (most Americans didn't and don't) and they believed that serving their country-especially during wartime-is the right thing to do. Some people actually believe in keeping Americans and our way of life alive. Imagine that.

 

[Dot Com]

Yes. I do

"Korea 1950-1953 1952
Current Year $ 30 billion 4.2% 13.2%
Constant FY2011$ 341 billion
Vietnam 1965-1975 1968
Current Year $ 111 billion 2.3% 9.5%
Constant FY2011$ 738 billion
Persian Gulf Warb 1990-1991 1991
Current Year $ 61 billion 0.3% 4.6%
Constant FY2011$ 102 billion
Iraq 2003-2010 2008
Current Year $ 715 billion 1.0% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 784 billion
Afghanistan/Otherac 2001-2010 2010
Current Year $ 297 billion 0.7% 4.9%
Constant FY2011$ 321 billion
Total Post-9/11—Iraq,
Afghanistan/Otherd 2001-2010 2008
Current Year $ 1,046 billion 1.2% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 1,147 billion
Sources: All estimates are of the costs of military operations only and do not reflect costs of veterans’ benefits,
interest on war-related debt, or assistance to allies. Except for costs of the American Revolution and the Civil
War costs of the Confederacy, all estimates are based on U.S. government budget data."

$Trillions spent on invasions and occupations along with millions of innocent civilians maimed, murdered, and displaced since 1945 for what exactly?

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

All these wars were NOT about protecting the freedoms of Americans.

They were all about enriching the power elite and growing the size and power of the central government.

Simply put, 'war is the health of the state.'

^ that

 

[georgephillip]

Yes. I do

"Korea 1950-1953 1952
Current Year $ 30 billion 4.2% 13.2%
Constant FY2011$ 341 billion
Vietnam 1965-1975 1968
Current Year $ 111 billion 2.3% 9.5%
Constant FY2011$ 738 billion
Persian Gulf Warb 1990-1991 1991
Current Year $ 61 billion 0.3% 4.6%
Constant FY2011$ 102 billion
Iraq 2003-2010 2008
Current Year $ 715 billion 1.0% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 784 billion
Afghanistan/Otherac 2001-2010 2010
Current Year $ 297 billion 0.7% 4.9%
Constant FY2011$ 321 billion
Total Post-9/11—Iraq,
Afghanistan/Otherd 2001-2010 2008
Current Year $ 1,046 billion 1.2% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 1,147 billion
Sources: All estimates are of the costs of military operations only and do not reflect costs of veterans’ benefits,
interest on war-related debt, or assistance to allies. Except for costs of the American Revolution and the Civil
War costs of the Confederacy, all estimates are based on U.S. government budget data."

$Trillions spent on invasions and occupations along with millions of innocent civilians maimed, murdered, and displaced since 1945 for what exactly?

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

All these wars were NOT about protecting the freedoms of Americans.

They were all about enriching the power elite and growing the size and power of the central government.

Simply put, 'war is the health of the state.'

"Korea 1950-1953 1952
Current Year $ 30 billion 4.2% 13.2%
Constant FY2011$ 341 billion
Vietnam 1965-1975 1968
Current Year $ 111 billion 2.3% 9.5%
Constant FY2011$ 738 billion
Persian Gulf Warb 1990-1991 1991
Current Year $ 61 billion 0.3% 4.6%
Constant FY2011$ 102 billion
Iraq 2003-2010 2008
Current Year $ 715 billion 1.0% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 784 billion
Afghanistan/Otherac 2001-2010 2010
Current Year $ 297 billion 0.7% 4.9%
Constant FY2011$ 321 billion
Total Post-9/11—Iraq,
Afghanistan/Otherd 2001-2010 2008
Current Year $ 1,046 billion 1.2% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 1,147 billion
Sources: All estimates are of the costs of military operations only and do not reflect costs of veterans’ benefits,
interest on war-related debt, or assistance to allies. Except for costs of the American Revolution and the Civil
War costs of the Confederacy, all estimates are based on U.S. government budget data."

$Trillions spent on invasions and occupations along with millions of innocent civilians maimed, murdered, and displaced since 1945 for what exactly?

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

All these wars were NOT about protecting the freedoms of Americans.

They were all about enriching the power elite and growing the size and power of the central government.

Simply put, 'war is the health of the state.'

^ that

So what is the quickest way to make peace more profitable than war?

 

[gipper]

Actually, most of us sign up believing that we are serving our country and defending the rights of those like you who would belittle our service.

I served because I love this country, and yeah.................I served enough years (read 21) because I thought a lot of this land I love, and the people in it (even if they're as ignorant as you).

It's not the military that you should be pissed at, we just do what our orders state we have to do. You should be pissed at those that send us into senseless wars. Jr. and Cheney are good subjects, we should have never gone into Iraq.

Don't hate the military, hate those that sent them into hopeless conflicts.

I hear what you're saying, but why would anyone who isn't insane sign up DURING an unjust war like Iraq, Afghanistan, Nam...

The obvious reason. That they did not believe those wars were unjust (most Americans didn't and don't) and they believed that serving their country-especially during wartime-is the right thing to do. Some people actually believe in keeping Americans and our way of life alive. Imagine that.

Sorry but that is not the reality.

Do you really think our involvement in WWI was about protecting Americans and our way of life? Do you really think Americans who died fighting in Europe in WWII would be happy about giving half of Europe to the stinking commies for decades...who by any objective analysis were worse than Hitler and had every intention of world domination? Do you really think Americans who died in Vietnam, would claim they were keeping our way of life alive? I think not.

War is always about enriching and empowering the power elite.

The power elite get us into wars and then claim it is our patriotic duty to fight and die for our country. It is all a bunch of garbage that is purposely designed to fool the populace and amazingly, it continues to work on many.

 

[gipper]

"Korea 1950-1953 1952
Current Year $ 30 billion 4.2% 13.2%
Constant FY2011$ 341 billion
Vietnam 1965-1975 1968
Current Year $ 111 billion 2.3% 9.5%
Constant FY2011$ 738 billion
Persian Gulf Warb 1990-1991 1991
Current Year $ 61 billion 0.3% 4.6%
Constant FY2011$ 102 billion
Iraq 2003-2010 2008
Current Year $ 715 billion 1.0% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 784 billion
Afghanistan/Otherac 2001-2010 2010
Current Year $ 297 billion 0.7% 4.9%
Constant FY2011$ 321 billion
Total Post-9/11—Iraq,
Afghanistan/Otherd 2001-2010 2008
Current Year $ 1,046 billion 1.2% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 1,147 billion
Sources: All estimates are of the costs of military operations only and do not reflect costs of veterans’ benefits,
interest on war-related debt, or assistance to allies. Except for costs of the American Revolution and the Civil
War costs of the Confederacy, all estimates are based on U.S. government budget data."

$Trillions spent on invasions and occupations along with millions of innocent civilians maimed, murdered, and displaced since 1945 for what exactly?

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

All these wars were NOT about protecting the freedoms of Americans.

They were all about enriching the power elite and growing the size and power of the central government.

Simply put, 'war is the health of the state.'

All these wars were NOT about protecting the freedoms of Americans.

They were all about enriching the power elite and growing the size and power of the central government.

Simply put, 'war is the health of the state.'

^ that

So what is the quickest way to make peace more profitable than war?

Peace is always more profitable than war, at least for the majority of Americans.

The only people who gain profit from war are the power elite.

 

[Bumberclyde]

Actually, most of us sign up believing that we are serving our country and defending the rights of those like you who would belittle our service.

I served because I love this country, and yeah.................I served enough years (read 21) because I thought a lot of this land I love, and the people in it (even if they're as ignorant as you).

It's not the military that you should be pissed at, we just do what our orders state we have to do. You should be pissed at those that send us into senseless wars. Jr. and Cheney are good subjects, we should have never gone into Iraq.

Don't hate the military, hate those that sent them into hopeless conflicts.

I hear what you're saying, but why would anyone who isn't insane sign up DURING an unjust war like Iraq, Afghanistan, Nam...

The obvious reason. That they did not believe those wars were unjust (most Americans didn't and don't) and they believed that serving their country-especially during wartime-is the right thing to do. Some people actually believe in keeping Americans and our way of life alive. Imagine that.

So your way of life is signing up to attack countries for no reason? Btw, Saddam wasn't involved in 9/11, nor did he have any WMD. So the US army destroyed Iraq for what exactly?