Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

[9thIDdoc]

I hear what you're saying, but why would anyone who isn't insane sign up DURING an unjust war like Iraq, Afghanistan, Nam...

The obvious reason. That they did not believe those wars were unjust (most Americans didn't and don't) and they believed that serving their country-especially during wartime-is the right thing to do. Some people actually believe in keeping Americans and our way of life alive. Imagine that.

Sorry but that is not the reality.

Do you really think our involvement in WWI was about protecting Americans and our way of life? Do you really think Americans who died fighting in Europe in WWII would be happy about giving half of Europe to the stinking commies for decades...who by any objective analysis were worse than Hitler and had every intention of world domination? Do you really think Americans who died fighting in Europe in WWII would be happy about giving half of Europe to the stinking commies for decades...

War is always about enriching and empowering the power elite.

The power elite get us into wars and then claim it is our patriotic duty to fight and die for our country. It is all a bunch of garbage that is purposely designed to fool the populace and amazingly, it continues to work on many.

Sorry but that is not the reality.
Sorry, but you wouldn't know reality if it bit you in the ass.

"War is always about enriching and empowering the power elite"The next time I hear a soldier or marine say he is fighting for "the power elite" will be the first time. Nor do I think the vast majority know or care what a "power elite" is. I know I don't.

"Do you really think Americans who died fighting in Europe in WWII would be happy about giving half of Europe to the stinking commies for decades..."
Do you really think that those who died in Vietnam would be happy about giving South Vietnam to the stinking commies permanently?

It is all a bunch of garbage that is purposely designed to fool the populace
No more so than your cowardly irresponsible whining is designed to fool it.

 

[9thIDdoc]

I hear what you're saying, but why would anyone who isn't insane sign up DURING an unjust war like Iraq, Afghanistan, Nam...

The obvious reason. That they did not believe those wars were unjust (most Americans didn't and don't) and they believed that serving their country-especially during wartime-is the right thing to do. Some people actually believe in keeping Americans and our way of life alive. Imagine that.

So your way of life is signing up to attack countries for no reason? Btw, Saddam wasn't involved in 9/11, nor did he have any WMD. So the US army destroyed Iraq for what exactly?

You must have been born yesterday. After 9/11 it was a foregone conclusion we would be attacking Iraq. We went to war against terrorists and Saddam was a wealthy terrorist who was helping finance other groups. That made him an obvious prime target.
He had no WMD? No one has proved any such thing. For all we know there are still hugh stockpiles buried under the sand or simply moved to Syria or Pakistan for the duration. We certainly gave him plenty of time to do that. We were not obliged to prove he had them it was his obligation to prove he didn't per the Cease Fire following his expulsion from Kuwait. No proof=no Cease Fire; simple as that.
And it really would have been quicker and cheaper to simply turn Bagdad into a radioactive lake and I am a long way from sure that wouldn't have been the better course.

 

[Dot Com]

I hear what you're saying, but why would anyone who isn't insane sign up DURING an unjust war like Iraq, Afghanistan, Nam...

The obvious reason. That they did not believe those wars were unjust (most Americans didn't and don't) and they believed that serving their country-especially during wartime-is the right thing to do. Some people actually believe in keeping Americans and our way of life alive. Imagine that.

So your way of life is signing up to attack countries for no reason? Btw, Saddam wasn't involved in 9/11, nor did he have any WMD. So the US army destroyed Iraq for what exactly?

^ that

we coulda' used that $1.9 TRILLION to build infrastructure and educate & feed the youth at home.

 

[Dot Com]

"The greatest threat to our world and its peace comes from those who want war, who prepare for it, and who, by holding out vague promises of future peace or by instilling fear of foreign aggression, try to make us accomplices to their plans."

-- Hermann Hesse - Author (1877-1962)

 

[9thIDdoc]

The obvious reason. That they did not believe those wars were unjust (most Americans didn't and don't) and they believed that serving their country-especially during wartime-is the right thing to do. Some people actually believe in keeping Americans and our way of life alive. Imagine that.

So your way of life is signing up to attack countries for no reason? Btw, Saddam wasn't involved in 9/11, nor did he have any WMD. So the US army destroyed Iraq for what exactly?

^ that

we coulda' used that $1.9 TRILLION to build infrastructure and educate & feed the youth at home.

And our enemies could have used that time to further destroy our infrastructure and kill our women and children at home (if they were lucky).

 

[Dot Com]

I get the feeling that 9thIDdoc is a "Murica right or wrong" type. Did you read McNamara's book asswipe? He said Vietnam was extended EVEN AFTER THEY KNEW IT WAS FUTILE, for domestic political reasons. Basically to help in an election. You OK w/ that old man?

 

[9thIDdoc]

Viet Nam was only as "futile" as we allowed it to be.

 

[Dot Com]

you need to put down the "Murica right or wrong" kool aid Sarge. As was said earlier, democracy at the end of the barrel of a gun is all about expanding markets for US companies & expanding access to commodities such as oil.

 

[Bumberclyde]

The obvious reason. That they did not believe those wars were unjust (most Americans didn't and don't) and they believed that serving their country-especially during wartime-is the right thing to do. Some people actually believe in keeping Americans and our way of life alive. Imagine that.

So your way of life is signing up to attack countries for no reason? Btw, Saddam wasn't involved in 9/11, nor did he have any WMD. So the US army destroyed Iraq for what exactly?

You must have been born yesterday. After 9/11 it was a foregone conclusion we would be attacking Iraq. We went to war against terrorists and Saddam was a wealthy terrorist who was helping finance other groups. That made him an obvious prime target.
He had no WMD? No one has proved any such thing. For all we know there are still hugh stockpiles buried under the sand or simply moved to Syria or Pakistan for the duration. We certainly gave him plenty of time to do that. We were not obliged to prove he had them it was his obligation to prove he didn't per the Cease Fire following his expulsion from Kuwait. No proof=no Cease Fire; simple as that.
And it really would have been quicker and cheaper to simply turn Bagdad into a radioactive lake and I am a long way from sure that wouldn't have been the better course.

No wonder murka is so fucked up. That was a completely brain dead answer. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[gipper]

The obvious reason. That they did not believe those wars were unjust (most Americans didn't and don't) and they believed that serving their country-especially during wartime-is the right thing to do. Some people actually believe in keeping Americans and our way of life alive. Imagine that.

Sorry but that is not the reality.

Do you really think our involvement in WWI was about protecting Americans and our way of life? Do you really think Americans who died fighting in Europe in WWII would be happy about giving half of Europe to the stinking commies for decades...who by any objective analysis were worse than Hitler and had every intention of world domination? Do you really think Americans who died fighting in Europe in WWII would be happy about giving half of Europe to the stinking commies for decades...

War is always about enriching and empowering the power elite.

The power elite get us into wars and then claim it is our patriotic duty to fight and die for our country. It is all a bunch of garbage that is purposely designed to fool the populace and amazingly, it continues to work on many.

Sorry but that is not the reality.
Sorry, but you wouldn't know reality if it bit you in the ass.

"War is always about enriching and empowering the power elite"The next time I hear a soldier or marine say he is fighting for "the power elite" will be the first time. Nor do I think the vast majority know or care what a "power elite" is. I know I don't.

"Do you really think Americans who died fighting in Europe in WWII would be happy about giving half of Europe to the stinking commies for decades..."
Do you really think that those who died in Vietnam would be happy about giving South Vietnam to the stinking commies permanently?

It is all a bunch of garbage that is purposely designed to fool the populace
No more so than your cowardly irresponsible whining is designed to fool it.

Your response is lacking. I explained why your reality is not the real one and all you can do is spout foolishness.

Regarding Vietnam, you respond with a contradiction. Of course, those Americans who died there did not want commies taking over. But that is exactly what happened thanks to the power elite. You make my point without knowing it. And yet, you would allow the power elite to push into war again and again.....

You can call me a coward all you like. I am against the warfare/welfare nation that America has become and proud of it. You on the other hand, apparently think killing and dying for NOTHING, but enriching the power elite, is great.

 

[9thIDdoc]

you need to put down the "Murica right or wrong" kool aid Sarge. As was said earlier, democracy at the end of the barrel of a gun is all about expanding markets for US companies & expanding access to commodities such as oil.

Right, and I'm sure there must be least 4 or 5 other idiots out there somewhere willing to accept your hourseshit. Now, just where exactly are your links?

 

[9thIDdoc]

Sorry but that is not the reality.

Do you really think our involvement in WWI was about protecting Americans and our way of life? Do you really think Americans who died fighting in Europe in WWII would be happy about giving half of Europe to the stinking commies for decades...who by any objective analysis were worse than Hitler and had every intention of world domination? Do you really think Americans who died fighting in Europe in WWII would be happy about giving half of Europe to the stinking commies for decades...

War is always about enriching and empowering the power elite.

The power elite get us into wars and then claim it is our patriotic duty to fight and die for our country. It is all a bunch of garbage that is purposely designed to fool the populace and amazingly, it continues to work on many.

Sorry but that is not the reality.
Sorry, but you wouldn't know reality if it bit you in the ass.

"War is always about enriching and empowering the power elite"The next time I hear a soldier or marine say he is fighting for "the power elite" will be the first time. Nor do I think the vast majority know or care what a "power elite" is. I know I don't.

"Do you really think Americans who died fighting in Europe in WWII would be happy about giving half of Europe to the stinking commies for decades..."
Do you really think that those who died in Vietnam would be happy about giving South Vietnam to the stinking commies permanently?

It is all a bunch of garbage that is purposely designed to fool the populace
No more so than your cowardly irresponsible whining is designed to fool it.

Your response is lacking. I explained why your reality is not the real one and all you can do is spout foolishness.

Regarding Vietnam, you respond with a contradiction. Of course, those Americans who died there did not want commies taking over. But that is exactly what happened thanks to the power elite. You make my point without knowing it. And yet, you would allow the power elite to push into war again and again.....

You can call me a coward all you like. I am against the warfare/welfare nation that America has become and proud of it. You on the other hand, apparently think killing and dying for NOTHING, but enriching the power elite, is great.

Your views about this "power elite" only make any sense if you consider a large segment of the American people to be part of it. And that's simply delusional.

 

[gipper]

Sorry but that is not the reality.
Sorry, but you wouldn't know reality if it bit you in the ass.

"War is always about enriching and empowering the power elite"The next time I hear a soldier or marine say he is fighting for "the power elite" will be the first time. Nor do I think the vast majority know or care what a "power elite" is. I know I don't.

"Do you really think Americans who died fighting in Europe in WWII would be happy about giving half of Europe to the stinking commies for decades..."
Do you really think that those who died in Vietnam would be happy about giving South Vietnam to the stinking commies permanently?

It is all a bunch of garbage that is purposely designed to fool the populace
No more so than your cowardly irresponsible whining is designed to fool it.

Your response is lacking. I explained why your reality is not the real one and all you can do is spout foolishness.

Regarding Vietnam, you respond with a contradiction. Of course, those Americans who died there did not want commies taking over. But that is exactly what happened thanks to the power elite. You make my point without knowing it. And yet, you would allow the power elite to push into war again and again.....

You can call me a coward all you like. I am against the warfare/welfare nation that America has become and proud of it. You on the other hand, apparently think killing and dying for NOTHING, but enriching the power elite, is great.

Your views about this "power elite" only make any sense if you consider a large segment of the American people to be part of it. And that's simply delusional.

You apparently are unaware of the power elite that rules America.

You might read a few books on the subject. This might help....https://www.google.com/#q=books+on+the+power+elite+in+america&tbm=shop

 

[thanatos144]

It's the illuminati man! And the aliens from the Roswell crash! They control it all with a super computer that runs on hash

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[georgephillip]

All these wars were NOT about protecting the freedoms of Americans.

They were all about enriching the power elite and growing the size and power of the central government.

Simply put, 'war is the health of the state.'

^ that

So what is the quickest way to make peace more profitable than war?

Peace is always more profitable than war, at least for the majority of Americans.

The only people who gain profit from war are the power elite.

Wars socialize cost and privatize profit like no other endeavor.
Perhaps the corporations and individuals who get rich from war should pay a "death tax" proportional to all of those murdered, maimed, and displaced by their war crimes?

 

[Dot Com]

So what is the quickest way to make peace more profitable than war?

Peace is always more profitable than war, at least for the majority of Americans.

The only people who gain profit from war are the power elite.

Wars socialize cost and privatize profit like no other endeavor.
Perhaps the corporations and individuals who get rich from war should pay a "death tax" proportional to all of those murdered, maimed, and displaced by their war crimes?

good idea. The war-fluffers in this thread should read my siggie quote as well

 

[Billo_Really]

Why did we invade Iraq?

Even if you're able to forgive bush and his cronies for putting us so deeply in debt that it will take generations to dig us out, the wanton and needless killing and maiming of so many Americans and others is just unforgivable.

Especially since vets ow have to keep fighting for every little crumb they get.

It's even worse when you think after all that sacrifice...

over $4 trillion dollars, over 4000 Americans dead, over 30,000 American's maimed for life,
our economy trashed, reputation destroyed​

...what did we get in return?

NOTHING! Absolutely nothing!

I challenge anyone to state how average American's have benefited from that war.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"I challenge anyone to state how average American's have benefited from that war"

No more 9/11's
No further mass murders of American civilians.
The war with it's collateral damage being fought on their ground instead of ours.
Any other questions?

 

[Dot Com]

^ ummm..... if you believe that 9/11 had anything to do w/ Iraq perhaps

get a grip corporal. STOP BEING A FASCIST TOOL!!!

 

[georgephillip]

^ ummm..... if you believe that 9/11 had anything to do w/ Iraq perhaps

get a grip corporal.

Dick "Halliburton" Cheney had more to do with 911 than Saddam did, and the five time draft dodger is still alive to laugh in luxury about it

"According to MSN Money, Halliburton’s KBR, Inc. division bilked government agencies to the tune of $17.2 billion in Iraq war-related revenue from 2003-2006 alone.

"This is estimated to comprise a whopping one-fifth of KBR’s total revenue for the 2006 fiscal year..."

"This is just the latest in a long string of military/KBR wartime partnerships, thanks in no small part to Dick Cheney’s former role with the parent company."

The 25 Most Vicious Iraq War Profiteers

Imagine the shock and awe if Cheney and all the other war whores were forced to pay a 101% "Death Tax" on all their earnings from their Iraq war crimes?