Why Can't Minors Be Executed?

[Darkwind]

So your life has no value if a "kid" steals it? You're an idiot

Go **** yourself.

We aren't talking about the victim's value. That is a red ******* herring. No one, not even Me, is talking about not holding them accountable for their actions.

We are talking about a degree of understanding and rehabilition.

But thanks for proving how little you comprehend what goes on around you.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

That's not what you said. You said that they don't understand how wrong it is. I knew that it was wrong to intentionally kill or injure somebody by the age of five.

He's normally conservative but someone infected him with liberal "compassion"

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

So your life has no value if a "kid" steals it? You're an idiot

Under the LAW, the 14 yr old is not competent in 99% of the cases. It sucks but you have to include ALL 14 yr olds in the definition. Not individual cases

The key to all this is ALL, not one

 

[Darkwind]

He's normally conservative but someone infected him with liberal "compassion"

I'm always smart and I always comprehend what I'm about.

So, I'm sure you can show where I said we should not hold minors accountable for their actions.

I won't wait.

 

[TemplarKormac]

We kinda have a thing about ending life before it even gets going. Inside or outside the womb.

Most children lack judgment. They act on impulse and are not fully educated on the limits of society, or the law, because their concepts of right and wrong are not fully formed yet.

There are unique cases in law where juveniles (anywhere between 10 and 17) are tried as adults for committing crimes, like assault, and murder. In regards to murder, life in prison is sufficient.

On the other hand, why should we execute children when we have the rest of their lives to reform their behavior?

 

[eagle1462010]

Justice has no price. I'll supply the bullets. JUSTICE over excuses

Yawn.. Rope is cheaper. Not my point and you know it.

We need the system fixed. As is. The money cost is too dang high.

 

[occupied]

Tell Me. How many 13-year-olds have total impulse control? Hell, for that matter, tell Me how many 16 yo have total impulse control?

Today, our children are not taught much about right and wrong. <-- an opinon

so, I have a problem with killing minors for crimes committed unless you can show a history and a pattern of depraved behavior.

A pattern of bad behavior in a child is indicative of abuse or neglect by adults. They did not choose their parents who ultimately share in the blame for the actions of their children.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Go **** yourself.

We aren't talking about the victim's value. That is a red ******* herring. No one, not even Me, is talking about not holding them accountable for their actions.

We are talking about a degree of understanding and rehabilition.

But thanks for proving how little you comprehend what goes on around you.

It's you who doesn't understand real compassion. You lash out due to ignorance, so all is forgiven, but you show you don't give a damn about the innocent until it happens to someone close to you

 

[ChristisKing]

We kinda have a thing about ending life before it even gets going. Inside or outside the womb.

For innocent lives yes, but I'm talking about a minor who has murdered somebody in cold blood.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Yawn.. Rope is cheaper. Not my point and you know it.

We need the system fixed. As is. The money cost is too dang high.

Justice over EXCUSES. EXECUTE 1st degree murderers

 

[eagle1462010]

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[TemplarKormac]

Justice has no price. I'll supply the bullets. JUSTICE over excuses

This kind of absolutism is why Kyle Rittenhouse was put on trial for something he didn't do. It's what lead to the death of Ahmaud Arbery. McMicheal had the same mindset as you: "shoot first, ask questions later."

Not just liberals are susceptible to this rash line of thinking.

 

[Darkwind]

A pattern of bad behavior in a child is indicative of abuse or neglect by adults. They did not choose their parents who ultimately share in the blame for the actions of their children.

That is true, but when its depraved to the point of murder, then regardless, they have to answer for it.

In any case, when is it acceptable to execute a child for crimes?

This is the premise of the thread.

My contention is ONLY when you can show a decided depravity to human life.

Most minors don't understand that.

Should we not punish them because they are minors?

**** no.

But I need a good ******* reason to use State-sanctioned death.

 

[eagle1462010]

Justice over EXCUSES. EXECUTE 1st degree murderers

Nice Rant. You pay the millions it takes to execute them then.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Seriously? Juveniles have long been held to be less liable for their actions because they are innocently stupid and rash when it comes to making decisions.

Usually juveniles are held for felonious and violent actions, or a harm to themselves. Non violent actions and forget about it. You are property of your parents or guardians

Get violent and adulthood comes early

 

[Darkwind]

It's you who doesn't understand real compassion. You lash out due to ignorance, so all is forgiven, but you show you don't give a damn about the innocent until it happens to someone close to you

Incorrect. I am all for punishing anyone for crimes. Even minors. But we are talking state-sanctioned killing.

You will need to show Me a history of depraved indifference to life to justify that.

Simply put, a minor can be held accountable, but not to the point of execution. They simply cannot be held to that standard unless extraordinary circumstances can be shown.

I care very much about the innocent, but I don't commit greater wrongs in the name of black&white retribution.

 

[TemplarKormac]

For innocent lives yes, but I'm talking about a minor who has murdered somebody in cold blood.

Tell me, if you ask a kid who did kill someone what their reasoning was, 9 times out of 10 they wouldn't be able to.

There is a reason why we have an age limit for trying people with crimes.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It's you who doesn't understand real compassion. You lash out due to ignorance, so all is forgiven, but you show you don't give a damn about the innocent until it happens to someone close to you

You scare me, buddy.

 

[ChristisKing]

Tell me, if you ask a kid who did kill someone what their reasoning was, 9 times out of 10 they wouldn't be able to.

There is a reason why we have an age limit for trying people with crimes.

That I can actually agree to.

 

[occupied]

That is true, but when its depraved to the point of murder, then regardless, they have to answer for it.

In any case, when is it acceptable to execute a child for crimes?

This is the premise of the thread.

My contention is ONLY when you can show a decided depravity to human life.

Most minors don't understand that.

Should we not punish them because they are minors?

**** no.

But I need a good ******* reason to use State-sanctioned death.

I'm against the death penalty anyway. The State should never be granted the right to take a life.