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Talent wise, the talent was deep in the 60’s because their were fewer teams. The different from then to today is the skill level, the training, the science, makes today’s players much better.Your so called “logic” is baffling
Beating 29 other teams is easier than beating out 7 other teams for a Championship
He was probably as good as a Durant, Tim Duncan, dirk, Hakeem, etc. A great great player no doubt but certainly not the goat.
Except that it really wasnt. You're making the same mistake LM is making thinking that the talent pool per era per sport is essentially the same so fewer teams means more concentrated talent. It's just not the case. Far more factors go into it than that. The world pop has doubled since the 60's, the NBA is a global sport now (in the 60's it was barely regional), far more people have the opportunity to play basketball in their youth. The opportunity to become an instant millionaire if you're good enough is a huge driver as well. Bill Russell was the highest paid player in the league making 100,001 per year. And while that was a lot of money in the 60's it wasnt generational wealth like the super stars today make. Kids didnt grow up in the 40-50's thinking they were going to be an nba star.Talent wise, the talent was deep in the 60’s because their were fewer teams. The different from then to today is the skill level, the training, the science, makes today’s players much better.
I put Russell in the top ten, but not the G.O.A.T. I think that belongs to MJ, then James. In second. Russell and Chamberlin dominated as players.
Chuck Conners played in the NBA and in the MLB. He was a really good athlete.
I remember the exact day Dwight Howard lost itI wish those guys had Russell's attitude. Dream did but there is a "softness" in the big men today that seems to permeate. Dwight Howard, to me, is one of the biggest disappointments in the history of basketball. Yeah he has the stats but he should have been a transcendent player; up there with the unquestioned greats.
Pick your all-star team from the 50-60's and put them in the NBA today. They are a bottom feeder. They might win 10 games all year. And they dont get beat by a little bit they are run off the court by halftime every night. The NBA might have to institute a mercy rule for that season when teams play them.So Let me get this straight.
You think when the available talent for a generation is spread out among 30 teams, it's more DIFFICULT to win than if all the top talent was condenced into 8 teams (which you continue to reference but only makes up a small percentage of what I'm talking about.. you should write for CNN).
Let's equate that to today. This is based on CBSSports top 100 ranked players, and filling out rosters splitting top tier and middle tier starters in the league.
Team 1: KD, Bradley Beal, Khris Middleton, Ben Simmons, Russell Westbrook
Team 2: Lebron, Jimmy Butler, Karl Anthony Towns, Ja Morant, Pascal Siakam
Team 3: Giannis, Zion, Devin Booker, Jrue Holiday, Domantas Sabonis
Team 4: Curry, Kawhi Leanord, Rudy Gobert, Draymond Green, CJ McCollum
Team 5: Luka, Paul George, Trae Young, Bam Adebayo, Klay Thompson
Team 6: Harden, Anthony Davis, Donovan Mitchell, De'Aaron Fox, Gordan Hayward
Team 7: Embiid, Jayson Tatum, Kyrie, Zach Lavine, Demar Derozan
Team 8: Jokic, Damian Lillard, Chris Paul, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart
So if one of those teams won 8 straight titles and one player won 11 titles.. well, they're the greatest of all time, easily. All of those "8 teams" that you reference are stacked with the best talent available, just as happened during Russell's era.
The same can be said about every player in every sport that isn't playing today. I'm just saying you have to keep the context, you're torching it. If you want to be taken seriously, I'd stop that practice.You’re assuming an equal amount of talent in each era. Which there wasn’t. There are more than twice the people on earth now as in 1960. In the 60’s the NBA wasn’t a global sport Like it is today. In 1960 there wasnt nearly the opportunity to play basketball for nearly as many kids as today. In other words there were probably a decent number of people who would have been really good at basketball but who just never played.
Again, you have to explain where all the 6'6" + athletes went.. because they didn't play baseball or football.The major flaw in your argument
Not only were there 8 teams but the talent level was weak.
Chuck Connors played in the NBA
The NBA was a sideshow sport fielding teams in Syracuse, Rochester, Ft Wayne…..anywhere that they could find an arena
Top athletes found other sports. The Celts were an all star team with six future HOFers
Of course they won.
Pick your all-star team from the 50-60's and put them in the NBA today. They are a bottom feeder. They might win 10 games all year.
Durant: 2 championships, 1 MVPHe was probably as good as a Durant, Tim Duncan, dirk, Hakeem, etc. A great great player no doubt but certainly not the goat.
LOL, you talk like a 7th grader.And you put lebron over mj? Mj would have destroyed lebron. Defensively he would have shut lebron down all while scoring 40
okay.. why?. I think that belongs to MJ,
Agreed, he was the Cam Newton of the NFL.. more obsessed with his appearance, stats, and online profile than his game... not that his game was bad at his prime, he just had clear potential he didn't tap into, he could have been an all-time great.I wish those guys had Russell's attitude. Dream did but there is a "softness" in the big men today that seems to permeate. Dwight Howard, to me, is one of the biggest disappointments in the history of basketball. Yeah he has the stats but he should have been a transcendent player; up there with the unquestioned greats.
Dude, you're making the mistake by comparing people Back To the Future Style and ripping them out of their times and comparing them straight up. I couldn't think of anything more short-sighted or dumb.You're making the same mistake LM is making
That's what I say. Fewer teams, better talented teams. It's obvious.So Let me get this straight.
You think when the available talent for a generation is spread out among 30 teams, it's more DIFFICULT to win than if all the top talent was condenced into 8 teams (which you continue to reference but only makes up a small percentage of what I'm talking about.. you should write for CNN).
Let's equate that to today. This is based on CBSSports top 100 ranked players, and filling out rosters splitting top tier and middle tier starters in the league.
Team 1: KD, Bradley Beal, Khris Middleton, Ben Simmons, Russell Westbrook
Team 2: Lebron, Jimmy Butler, Karl Anthony Towns, Ja Morant, Pascal Siakam
Team 3: Giannis, Zion, Devin Booker, Jrue Holiday, Domantas Sabonis
Team 4: Curry, Kawhi Leanord, Rudy Gobert, Draymond Green, CJ McCollum
Team 5: Luka, Paul George, Trae Young, Bam Adebayo, Klay Thompson
Team 6: Harden, Anthony Davis, Donovan Mitchell, De'Aaron Fox, Gordan Hayward
Team 7: Embiid, Jayson Tatum, Kyrie, Zach Lavine, Demar Derozan
Team 8: Jokic, Damian Lillard, Chris Paul, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart
So if one of those teams won 8 straight titles and one player won 11 titles.. well, they're the greatest of all time, easily. All of those "8 teams" that you reference are stacked with the best talent available, just as happened during Russell's era.
Tatum has been lighting it up for five years now, where have you been?That's what I say. Fewer teams, better talented teams. It's obvious.
I love the NBA especially this era we are in. New guys stepping up. Jayson Tatum beating Durant by scoring 54. WOW. Who is that guy? And Embiid. Or Yianni. New guys winning not the old guys like Durant, Curry, Lebron or Chris Paul. I don't think any of them are going to win a championship this year.
If you don't make it far in the playoffs, I don't pay too much attention to you.Tatum has been lighting it up for five years now, where have you been?
By this logic, in 1932 football teams must have been fucking amazing. There were only 8 teams in the league. Can you imagine the concentration of talent on these teams??? Crazy...That's what I say. Fewer teams, better talented teams. It's obvious.
I love the NBA especially this era we are in. New guys stepping up. Jayson Tatum beating Durant by scoring 54. WOW. Who is that guy? And Embiid. Or Yianni. New guys winning not the old guys like Durant, Curry, Lebron or Chris Paul. I don't think any of them are going to win a championship this year.
I bet the worst NBA team today would beat the best team back then.By this logic, in 1932 football teams must have been fucking amazing. There were only 8 teams in the league. Can you imagine the concentration of talent on these teams??? Crazy...
Cavs are the sixth seed in the East, ten games over .500, one game behind Boston and 5.5 games behind the number one seed Miami. Are you sure you are following the NBA this year?Pistons are 30 games under .500.If you don't make it far in the playoffs, I don't pay too much attention to you.
And I sort of took the last couple years off because I was sick of it always being Golden State or Lebron always winning. I always watch the playoffs though and I probably didn't see Boston's series last year in the playoffs.
It's the playoffs imo where you make your name. For example, Love. The guy who won with Lebron. I haven't seen him play since he won the title with Lebron. Why would I watch a Cleveland game right? They suck. I never even see highlights on sportscenter. They're like my Pistons. Unwatchable. Although we have this Cade Cunningham. Can we keep him? Can we build around him? But I understand they're (Cleveland) doing better now too so I'll start paying closer attention.
Now that I see all these new guys taking over the league, I'll start paying attention.
Here's another guy I don't know much about but he's been around. DeMar DeRozan. He been in the league for 9 years I'm just now getting to know him. He's making the Bulls better. I thought maybe he won a championship in Toronto but I think they traded him and THEN won a championship. Which reminds me. I wonder if Kawhi Leonard will ever win another championship. I think him and Paul George should take the year off, get a good draft pick and try to win next year.
I'm not on top of who's in what place. I'm just paying attention to hope the Lakers don't make the playoffs, or the Nets. And if they do, get bounced early.Cavs are the sixth seed in the East, ten games over .500, one game behind Boston and 5.5 games behind the number one seed Miami. Are you sure you are following the NBA this year?Pistons are 30 games under .500.
