Why are we talking about IVF?

[Slade3200]

I see, you said you would spell it out like I was in first grade. Dismissing me like I am a child while fat fingering your response.

You replied as if school children are dumb to flame me
You brought school and spelling up to insult me
Now you take the high ground and declare I was the one who brought up spelling and schooling.
You are one stupid motherfucker

You are correct. Your lack of engagement on the subject. Misunderstanding of simple English, and obvious dodge of substance to troll and insult show that you are as ignorant as a child

 

[elektra]

You are correct. Your lack of engagement on the subject. Misunderstanding of simple English, and obvious dodge of substance to troll and insult show that you are as ignorant as a child

Boy, I guess I need to spell things out like I would for1st graders. The question was in reference to our politics and what’s being discussed and focused on this election cycle.

Next time read more than just the headline

Talk about a moronic post that doesn't reflect the thread. Deny, deflect and fail to address the issue at all. But accusing others of what you're doing is par for the course with you basement dwellers.

Oh, I am sorry, I am suppose to let assholes like you and slade insult me and not respond.

You expect me to address more than your hate.

You are very fucking stupid

 

[JohnDB]

I'm especially interested to hear from the MAGA crew... Why is IVF a topic of conversation in our politics?

Most recent news is that Trump wants the Government or Insurance to cover the costs of IVF treatments. But isn't he somewhat responsible for the reasons why this issue is even a topic of contention right now?

Trump says he wants government or insurance to pay for IVF, criticizes Florida abortion ban

"Your government will pay for or your insurance company will be mandated to pay for all costs associated with IVF treatment," he said.

www.cbsnews.com

No....
For stasis of 2nd generation or later Americans we need a live birth fertility rate of 2.1 per woman in the USA. To grow moderately around a 2.6+.

We have a 1.6. Meaning that we need children desperately in this nation. Otherwise it's Venezualan street gangs to keep up the population growth our society is built upon.

Birth rates have declined since the 60's and 70's. This is due to abortion on demand, birth control methods, and no fault divorce as well as highly suspect economic conditions. It takes two incomes just to survive. Kids and women making men's lives difficult leads to men refusing to impregnate women.

Women also prefer careers to children but it basically has brought everyone's wages down.

Flat out....America needs babies and OF or Instagram or snapchat women are unsuitable for most men.

 

[Slade3200]

Oh, I am sorry, I am suppose to let assholes like you and slade insult me and not respond.

You expect me to address more than your hate.

You are very fucking stupid

You shouldn’t let anybody insult you without sticking up for yourself. Just do so with intellect and about the subject matter. You have yet to respond to me once about the topic of the thread. You derailed from the start and remain off track

 

[Slade3200]

No....
For stasis of 2nd generation or later Americans we need a live birth fertility rate of 2.1 per woman in the USA. To grow moderately around a 2.6+.

We have a 1.6. Meaning that we need children desperately in this nation. Otherwise it's Venezualan street gangs to keep up the population growth our society is built upon.

Birth rates have declined since the 60's and 70's. This is due to abortion on demand, birth control methods, and no fault divorce as well as highly suspect economic conditions. It takes two incomes just to survive. Kids and women making men's lives difficult leads to men refusing to impregnate women.

Women also prefer careers to children but it basically has brought everyone's wages down.

Flat out....America needs babies and OF or Instagram or snapchat women are unsuitable for most men.

Using the government to forced women to have kids when they do not have the means or will to do so is not the way to solve population issues. If we need more citizens let’s reform our immigration policy. How about that?

 

[Care4all]

Leftists, the irresponsible statists, should love this proposal. Decent people like me dont want healthcare costs to go up. Which is exactly what will happen.
But they dont care. They want the government to control healthcare, too. Even though THEY are the reason healthcare is so expensive.

Trump makes the proposal to fund this, and you then blame democrats and liberals?

Wtf?

 

[elektra]

You shouldn’t let anybody insult you without sticking up for yourself. Just do so with intellect and about the subject matter. You have yet to respond to me once about the topic of the thread. You derailed from the start and remain off track

You offered zero commentary to begin your thread. Just a link as if that is cool. No quote from the link.

 

[Papageorgio]

I'm especially interested to hear from the MAGA crew... Why is IVF a topic of conversation in our politics?

Most recent news is that Trump wants the Government or Insurance to cover the costs of IVF treatments. But isn't he somewhat responsible for the reasons why this issue is even a topic of contention right now?

Trump says he wants government or insurance to pay for IVF, criticizes Florida abortion ban

"Your government will pay for or your insurance company will be mandated to pay for all costs associated with IVF treatment," he said.

www.cbsnews.com

I’m not talking about it, just more promises and money spent. He had to keep up with the vote buying on the other side, just tax and spend.

 

[JohnDB]

Using the government to forced women to have kids when they do not have the means or will to do so is not the way to solve population issues. If we need more citizens let’s reform our immigration policy. How about that?

Nobody is suggesting anything of the sort.

How you get that from anything anyone has said is a mystery to me. Put down the bong and step into sanity.

This is about insurance companies patching for something they should have a long time ago.

 

[Slade3200]

You offered zero commentary to begin your thread. Just a link as if that is cool. No quote from the link.

Why do you need a quote? Are you challenging anything that I said in the OP? Cause it was all national news and common knowledge. The facts I pointed out weren’t the point of contention of the thread. It was the question I asked… why is IVF a national discussion this election cycle?

 

[Slade3200]

I’m not talking about it, just more promises and money spent. He had to keep up with the vote buying on the other side, just tax and spend.

So you all good with his position?

 

[Slade3200]

Nobody is suggesting anything of the sort.

How you get that from anything anyone has said is a mystery to me. Put down the bong and step into sanity.

This is about insurance companies patching for something they should have a long time ago.

Banning abortions and IVF is the gov forcing women who don’t want to give birth to give birth. It’s happening now

 

[TemplarKormac]

So you can't answer the question.

Thank you for affirming MAGA supports socialism and ObamaCare.

Have a nice day.

But that wasn't the point, was it? What some people see as socialism, in this case, IVF, is just common sense.

You can do things to please everyone, it's only when you force your perceived good will on others that it becomes socialist.

 

[elektra]

Why do you need a quote? Are you challenging anything that I said in the OP? Cause it was all national news and common knowledge. The facts I pointed out weren’t the point of contention of the thread. It was the question I asked… why is IVF a national discussion this election cycle?

Why quote. It literally makes a much better thread. I am done and tired of watching 30 minutes of video or reading a long article only to find out it has no facts or is unrelated as well as not being read by the person who posted it.

Threads started with stuff that is not quoted, paraphrased or commented on deserves ridicule.

This comment is not a flame, I am simply stating what makes a better op.

 

[Slade3200]

Why quote. It literally makes a much better thread. I am done and tired of watching 30 minutes of video or reading a long article only to find out it has no facts or is unrelated as well as not being read by the person who posted it.

Threads started with stuff that is not quoted, paraphrased or commented on deserves ridicule.

This comment is not a flame, I am simply stating what makes a better op.

What in the world are you talking about?? I’m referencing stuff that nobody is contending. It’s just common knowledge. If you really are that uninformed, tell me what you are questioning and I’ll show you a quote or link. I’m happy to hold your hand through this if that’s what you need

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I'm especially interested to hear from the MAGA crew... Why is IVF a topic of conversation in our politics?

Most recent news is that Trump wants the Government or Insurance to cover the costs of IVF treatments. But isn't he somewhat responsible for the reasons why this issue is even a topic of contention right now?

Trump says he wants government or insurance to pay for IVF, criticizes Florida abortion ban

"Your government will pay for or your insurance company will be mandated to pay for all costs associated with IVF treatment," he said.

www.cbsnews.com

This is why:

“The Alabama Supreme Court issued a ruling on February 16 declaring that embryos created through in vitro fertilization (IVF) should be considered children. Several of the state’s IVF clinics have since paused services, and lawmakers, doctors, and patients are raising concerns about the far-ranging impacts of the ruling on health care, including reproductive technology.”

The Alabama Supreme Court’s Ruling on Frozen Embryos | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Doctors, patients, and politicians seek answers on how the February 16 decision could impact a wide array of health care issues.

publichealth.jhu.edu

The authoritarian right seeks to further violate the reproductive autonomy of Americans.

 

[Slade3200]

This is why:

“The Alabama Supreme Court issued a ruling on February 16 declaring that embryos created through in vitro fertilization (IVF) should be considered children. Several of the state’s IVF clinics have since paused services, and lawmakers, doctors, and patients are raising concerns about the far-ranging impacts of the ruling on health care, including reproductive technology.”

The Alabama Supreme Court’s Ruling on Frozen Embryos | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Doctors, patients, and politicians seek answers on how the February 16 decision could impact a wide array of health care issues.

publichealth.jhu.edu

The authoritarian right seeks to further violate the reproductive autonomy of Americans.

Correct. And all this came to be because of Trumps agenda to appoint judges who would take out Roe v Wade. Now that it’s election season he knows abortion and IVF restrictions are bad news for him so he’s trying to flip and hedge. At the same time his surrogates are out in full force against Harris for flipping on fracking.

We all know there is hypocrisy in politics. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t get called out.

 

[whitehall]

Why not? It sounds like a sensible issue compared to the left's hysterical demand to be able to kill every unborn baby right up to the time of birth (and after?) .

 

[struth]

I'm especially interested to hear from the MAGA crew... Why is IVF a topic of conversation in our politics?

Most recent news is that Trump wants the Government or Insurance to cover the costs of IVF treatments. But isn't he somewhat responsible for the reasons why this issue is even a topic of contention right now?

Trump says he wants government or insurance to pay for IVF, criticizes Florida abortion ban

"Your government will pay for or your insurance company will be mandated to pay for all costs associated with IVF treatment," he said.

www.cbsnews.com

Why don’t you all care about reproductive rights???

 

[struth]

Correct. And all this came to be because of Trumps agenda to appoint judges who would take out Roe v Wade. Now that it’s election season he knows abortion and IVF restrictions are bad news for him so he’s trying to flip and hedge. At the same time his surrogates are out in full force against Harris for flipping on fracking.

We all know there is hypocrisy in politics. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t get called out.

The president doesn’t appoint alabama judges.

Why don’t you all care about reproductive rights?