Why are republicans such drama queens when it comes to guns?

[2aguy]

Buy more guns and ammo.. More guns less crime.

You mean more cops shot and killed.

Study: Concealed Handgun Permits Don't Affect Crime Rate

18 studies says it reduces crime, 10 say it does nothing, 1 says it increases it.....nice leaving out the rest of the studies...

Yes you get your info from lotts site which like 16 of those studies are his. Sorry all his count as 1 study. And since he is not taken seriously it means very little.

Liar...

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center



A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns, John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

The Concealed‐Handgun Debate, John R. Lott, Jr., Journal of Legal Studies, January 1998

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008 It is also available here..

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

“On the Choice of Control Variables in the Crime Equation” by Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Oxford Bulletin of Economics and Statistics, Volume 72, Issue 5, pages 696–715, October 2010.

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

For the data errors in the one published paper by Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang that claims to find a bad effect from right-to-carry laws on aggravated assaults see this paper.

In addition, Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang have retracted their original claim that the my research could not be replicated. Their argument was that Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang could not replicate the replication work done by the National Research Council that had replicated my research.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I honestly feel as though republicans/Rightwingers are the ones who make the biggest issue out of guns. It's amazing they can be so dramatic about the 2nd amendment. It's purely emotional really. It makes them see threats that really aren't there. Even now 7 years into Obama's presidency some of them still believe he is coming for their guns despite the fact that he has NEVER advocated for gun grabbing of any kind. All he talks about is better regulation and exploring resolving issues associated with violent mentally ill people to prevent gun violence. It concerns him and other liberals that 11,000 people die of gun violence per year. Isn't that reasonable? Shouldn't SOMETHING be done about that? Wouldn't gun nuts prefer laws that prevent terrorists from obtaining weapons? No one is talking about abolishing the 2nd amendment. I mean my god talk about absolutely impossible. No democrat would even want to try.

Gun nuts fail to grasp any level of nuance in the gun control issue. They see any democrat push of gun control as an automatic slippery slope to gun grabbing and abolishing the 2nd amendment. It is so goddam delusional. Nothing about that is rooted in reality.

I honestly feel that deep down many gun nuts WANT democrats to push gun control legislation. I mean for starters gun control legislation rarely ever passes. Gun nuts really have nothing to fear. What it comes down to is living in fantasy land. They LIKE the idea of the threat. Their 12 year old minds make them imagine themselves standing up for liberty and taking down government tyranny with their weapons of freedom! Hollywood stuff you know? It makes them feel more like masculine. It makes them forget about their small penises.

Now all that being said. Can we come to a mutual COMPROMISE on the gun control issue?

They are paranoid and scared.

You are full of it.

Why? Most people will never need a gun for anything in their entire life, yet so many act like they are most important thing in the world.

I need a gun for skeet shooting and the occasional pheasant hunt

I can give you a list a mile long of shit you have and don't need but I won't because it's none of my business

 

[Rustic]

More guns than ever before in the history of the country, for crime rate is going down. Dumbass

We have by far the most guns in the world. Why do we not have the lowest crime rates?

Because our entertainment glorifies violence. Music that encourages killing cops, raping women, drug use. Violent and graphic, games, TV and movies. Why would anyone expect anything different. It's not the guns, it's the people.

Bad people with guns are worse than bad people without.

So, unless you change a culture, people will continue to die from violence. Look at Brussels today, 30 plus dead a hundred plus injured and no guns. It's the culture.

Guns make killing easy. Anything that is easy is going to be done more often than if it was more difficult.

Deflection

 

[Anathema]

Like the woman shot in the back by her 2 year old? Yeah she needed one.

She needs tbe gun, just not the kid.

 

[Rustic]

Because our entertainment glorifies violence. Music that encourages killing cops, raping women, drug use. Violent and graphic, games, TV and movies. Why would anyone expect anything different. It's not the guns, it's the people.

Bad people with guns are worse than bad people without.

So, unless you change a culture, people will continue to die from violence. Look at Brussels today, 30 plus dead a hundred plus injured and no guns. It's the culture.

Guns make killing easy. Anything that is easy is going to be done more often than if it was more difficult.

Still 30 died, no guns, it's a culture thanks for avoiding the obvious. Of course why would you, it wouldn't fit your agenda.

And the same people often use guns.

Deflection

 

[2aguy]

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703

Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

truth about gun accidents....

 

[Rustic]

I honestly feel as though republicans/Rightwingers are the ones who make the biggest issue out of guns. It's amazing they can be so dramatic about the 2nd amendment. It's purely emotional really. It makes them see threats that really aren't there. Even now 7 years into Obama's presidency some of them still believe he is coming for their guns despite the fact that he has NEVER advocated for gun grabbing of any kind. All he talks about is better regulation and exploring resolving issues associated with violent mentally ill people to prevent gun violence. It concerns him and other liberals that 11,000 people die of gun violence per year. Isn't that reasonable? Shouldn't SOMETHING be done about that? Wouldn't gun nuts prefer laws that prevent terrorists from obtaining weapons? No one is talking about abolishing the 2nd amendment. I mean my god talk about absolutely impossible. No democrat would even want to try.

Gun nuts fail to grasp any level of nuance in the gun control issue. They see any democrat push of gun control as an automatic slippery slope to gun grabbing and abolishing the 2nd amendment. It is so goddam delusional. Nothing about that is rooted in reality.

I honestly feel that deep down many gun nuts WANT democrats to push gun control legislation. I mean for starters gun control legislation rarely ever passes. Gun nuts really have nothing to fear. What it comes down to is living in fantasy land. They LIKE the idea of the threat. Their 12 year old minds make them imagine themselves standing up for liberty and taking down government tyranny with their weapons of freedom! Hollywood stuff you know? It makes them feel more like masculine. It makes them forget about their small penises.

Now all that being said. Can we come to a mutual COMPROMISE on the gun control issue?

They are paranoid and scared.

You are full of it.

Why? Most people will never need a gun for anything in their entire life, yet so many act like they are most important thing in the world.

There are a lot of people that don't need a lot of things, deflection noted

 

[pwjohn]

Studies relying on national stats, or even statewide stats, are worthless when local stats are called for. Take Chicago, or Oakland for example where local stats reveal the horror of it all. Whereas statewide & national stats make everything look wonderful

 

[Skull Pilot]

Gun violence is a nonissue, because the assholes put in suicides with homicides… that being an lie...

The most likely person to be shot and killed is definitely the gun owner himself.

Shit happens... Millions upon millions have not shot themselves... Lol

Well about 20,000 a year kill themselves. That makes them by far the most likely person to be shot and killed. Is that one of your selling points when you are trying to sell to a customer?

And in countries with absolute gun control...Japan, China and South Korea, they have higher suicide rates.

Also in France and other European countries with all the gun control you guys love...higher suicide rates than us...

That doesn't change the fact most people killed by guns are suicides. They are mostly suicide machines.

So what?

Who are you to tell anyone they don't have the choice to live or die as they see fit?

 

[Rustic]

I honestly feel as though republicans/Rightwingers are the ones who make the biggest issue out of guns. It's amazing they can be so dramatic about the 2nd amendment. It's purely emotional really. It makes them see threats that really aren't there. Even now 7 years into Obama's presidency some of them still believe he is coming for their guns despite the fact that he has NEVER advocated for gun grabbing of any kind. All he talks about is better regulation and exploring resolving issues associated with violent mentally ill people to prevent gun violence. It concerns him and other liberals that 11,000 people die of gun violence per year. Isn't that reasonable? Shouldn't SOMETHING be done about that? Wouldn't gun nuts prefer laws that prevent terrorists from obtaining weapons? No one is talking about abolishing the 2nd amendment. I mean my god talk about absolutely impossible. No democrat would even want to try.

Gun nuts fail to grasp any level of nuance in the gun control issue. They see any democrat push of gun control as an automatic slippery slope to gun grabbing and abolishing the 2nd amendment. It is so goddam delusional. Nothing about that is rooted in reality.

I honestly feel that deep down many gun nuts WANT democrats to push gun control legislation. I mean for starters gun control legislation rarely ever passes. Gun nuts really have nothing to fear. What it comes down to is living in fantasy land. They LIKE the idea of the threat. Their 12 year old minds make them imagine themselves standing up for liberty and taking down government tyranny with their weapons of freedom! Hollywood stuff you know? It makes them feel more like masculine. It makes them forget about their small penises.

Now all that being said. Can we come to a mutual COMPROMISE on the gun control issue?

They are paranoid and scared.

You are full of it.

Why? Most people will never need a gun for anything in their entire life, yet so many act like they are most important thing in the world.

It's not your concern.

So scared and paranoid stands. Thanks.

deflection, it's a right to own and Carry... Lol

 

[Rustic]

I have nothing to be scared nor Paranoid about. But YOU, on the other hand seem to be the one soiling his panties when it comes to a tool that is inanimate until loaded and fired.

Again. Insults and childish rants will not resolve the violence.

Grow up and mind your own business.

I'm not scared at all. I go out every day unarmed and I am fine. You on the other hand seem pretty scared.

Control freak

 

[Rustic]

I have nothing to be scared nor Paranoid about. But YOU, on the other hand seem to be the one soiling his panties when it comes to a tool that is inanimate until loaded and fired.

Again. Insults and childish rants will not resolve the violence.

Grow up and mind your own business.

I'm not scared at all. I go out every day unarmed and I am fine. You on the other hand seem pretty scared.

I guess the police are scared too, and the president, and rich people who have armed guards.

Police have to go to trouble. They deal with criminals daily. The president is much more likely to need protection than any average lawful person.

Deflection

 

[Brain357]

You mean more cops shot and killed.

Study: Concealed Handgun Permits Don't Affect Crime Rate

More guns than ever before in the history of the country, for crime rate is going down. Dumbass

We have by far the most guns in the world. Why do we not have the lowest crime rates?

Because our entertainment glorifies violence. Music that encourages killing cops, raping women, drug use. Violent and graphic, games, TV and movies. Why would anyone expect anything different. It's not the guns, it's the people.

Bad people with guns are worse than bad people without.

And how will any new gun law stop criminals from getting guns when by definition criminals do not obey the law?

Why do we have any laws if by definition criminals will ignore them?

 

[Rustic]

I have nothing to be scared nor Paranoid about. But YOU, on the other hand seem to be the one soiling his panties when it comes to a tool that is inanimate until loaded and fired.

Again. Insults and childish rants will not resolve the violence.

Grow up and mind your own business.

I'm not scared at all. I go out every day unarmed and I am fine. You on the other hand seem pretty scared.

I guess the police are scared too, and the president, and rich people who have armed guards.

Police have to go to trouble. They deal with criminals daily. The president is much more likely to need protection than any average lawful person.

Then why don't police leave their weapons at work, and go home like the rest of us?

How do you know some dont?

Deflection

 

[JimBowie1958]

Now all that being said. Can we come to a mutual COMPROMISE on the gun control issue?

No.

We have already compromised too much, and as liberals think that compromise is giving them only half of what they demand, there is no room left for compromise with ideologues like you and the rest of you leftist commies.

 

[Rustic]

More guns than ever before in the history of the country, for crime rate is going down. Dumbass

We have by far the most guns in the world. Why do we not have the lowest crime rates?

Because our entertainment glorifies violence. Music that encourages killing cops, raping women, drug use. Violent and graphic, games, TV and movies. Why would anyone expect anything different. It's not the guns, it's the people.

Bad people with guns are worse than bad people without.

And how will any new gun law stop criminals from getting guns when by definition criminals do not obey the law?

Why do we have any laws if by definition criminals will ignore them?

Deflection

 

[Brain357]

Buy more guns and ammo.. More guns less crime.

You mean more cops shot and killed.

Study: Concealed Handgun Permits Don't Affect Crime Rate

18 studies says it reduces crime, 10 say it does nothing, 1 says it increases it.....nice leaving out the rest of the studies...

Yes you get your info from lotts site which like 16 of those studies are his. Sorry all his count as 1 study. And since he is not taken seriously it means very little.

Liar...

Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center



A 2012 survey of the literature is available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.

Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns, John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997

The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

The Concealed‐Handgun Debate, John R. Lott, Jr., Journal of Legal Studies, January 1998

Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998

The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003

Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198

Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004

Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns

More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.

“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014

“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014

“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008 It is also available here..

“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009

“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013

“On the Choice of Control Variables in the Crime Equation” by Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Oxford Bulletin of Economics and Statistics, Volume 72, Issue 5, pages 696–715, October 2010.

More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.

Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.

For the data errors in the one published paper by Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang that claims to find a bad effect from right-to-carry laws on aggravated assaults see this paper.

In addition, Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang have retracted their original claim that the my research could not be replicated. Their argument was that Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang could not replicate the replication work done by the National Research Council that had replicated my research.

Lott is listed for most of those...

 

[Brain357]

I honestly feel as though republicans/Rightwingers are the ones who make the biggest issue out of guns. It's amazing they can be so dramatic about the 2nd amendment. It's purely emotional really. It makes them see threats that really aren't there. Even now 7 years into Obama's presidency some of them still believe he is coming for their guns despite the fact that he has NEVER advocated for gun grabbing of any kind. All he talks about is better regulation and exploring resolving issues associated with violent mentally ill people to prevent gun violence. It concerns him and other liberals that 11,000 people die of gun violence per year. Isn't that reasonable? Shouldn't SOMETHING be done about that? Wouldn't gun nuts prefer laws that prevent terrorists from obtaining weapons? No one is talking about abolishing the 2nd amendment. I mean my god talk about absolutely impossible. No democrat would even want to try.

Gun nuts fail to grasp any level of nuance in the gun control issue. They see any democrat push of gun control as an automatic slippery slope to gun grabbing and abolishing the 2nd amendment. It is so goddam delusional. Nothing about that is rooted in reality.

I honestly feel that deep down many gun nuts WANT democrats to push gun control legislation. I mean for starters gun control legislation rarely ever passes. Gun nuts really have nothing to fear. What it comes down to is living in fantasy land. They LIKE the idea of the threat. Their 12 year old minds make them imagine themselves standing up for liberty and taking down government tyranny with their weapons of freedom! Hollywood stuff you know? It makes them feel more like masculine. It makes them forget about their small penises.

Now all that being said. Can we come to a mutual COMPROMISE on the gun control issue?

They are paranoid and scared.

You are full of it.

Why? Most people will never need a gun for anything in their entire life, yet so many act like they are most important thing in the world.

I need a gun for skeet shooting and the occasional pheasant hunt

I can give you a list a mile long of shit you have and don't need but I won't because it's none of my business

Those aren't reasons to be a drama queen about. Those aren't why 2a is so scared.

 

[Rustic]

I guess the police are scared too, and the president, and rich people who have armed guards.

Police have to go to trouble. They deal with criminals daily. The president is much more likely to need protection than any average lawful person.

Then why don't police leave their weapons at work, and go home like the rest of us?

How do you know some dont?

I don;t know a single officer that doesn't have an off duty piece, and he gets it automatically without the cost and the bullshit I have to through in NYC to get a handgun for my own home.

What percent of police do you know?

A big part of my business is selling firearms to military and police for private use…

 

[Moonglow]

I don't have a small penis.

Sure buddy, sure...