Cliven Bundy

[Ice29]

Twenty-one years ago, rancher Cliven Bundy stopped paying his grazing fees.

Bundy does not recognize federal authority over land where his ancestors first settled in the 1880s, which he claims belongs to the state of Nevada. The Bureau of Land Management disagreed and took him to federal court, which first ruled in favor of the BLM in 1998. After years of attempts at a negotiated settlement over the $1.2 million Bundy owes in fees failed, federal land agents began seizing hundreds of his cattle illegally grazing on public land last week.



WHETHER OR NOT CLIVEN BUNDY RECOGNIZES THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS IMMATERIAL.
THE LAND THAT HE HAS BEEN USING, IS NOT HIS, AND EVEN IF IT WERE HIS, HE OWES TAXES TO THE CITY, STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND BECAUSE THE LAND IS OWNED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HE OWES GRAZING FEES FOR THE PRVILEGE OF GRAZING HIS CATTLE THERE.

THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT IS THE BOSS IN THIS CASE, AND NOT CLIVEN BUNDY, AND HIS POSSE ARE GUILTY OF WAGING AN AGGRESSIVE WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE GOVERNMENT, AND SHOULD BE SENTENCED TO DEATH.

PERIOD.

 

[Dale Smith]

Twenty-one years ago, rancher Cliven Bundy stopped paying his grazing fees.

Bundy does not recognize federal authority over land where his ancestors first settled in the 1880s, which he claims belongs to the state of Nevada. The Bureau of Land Management disagreed and took him to federal court, which first ruled in favor of the BLM in 1998. After years of attempts at a negotiated settlement over the $1.2 million Bundy owes in fees failed, federal land agents began seizing hundreds of his cattle illegally grazing on public land last week.



WHETHER OR NOT CLIVEN BUNDY RECOGNIZES THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS IMMATERIAL.
THE LAND THAT HE HAS BEEN USING, IS NOT HIS, AND EVEN IF IT WERE HIS, HE OWES TAXES TO THE CITY, STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND BECAUSE THE LAND IS OWNED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HE OWES GRAZING FEES FOR THE PRVILEGE OF GRAZING HIS CATTLE THERE.

THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT IS THE BOSS IN THIS CASE, AND NOT CLIVEN BUNDY, AND HIS POSSE ARE GUILTY OF WAGING AN AGGRESSIVE WAR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE GOVERNMENT, AND SHOULD BE SENTENCED TO DEATH.

PERIOD.

He tried to pay those grazing fees to Clark County but they refused it. Where does USA.INC come off saying "that's OUR land now....pay us". You really are a good sheeple. I bet you worship the federal "gubermint". I don't recognize federal authority over my life either and they are pissed that I reclaimed my 14th amendment rights instead of remaining a U.S citizen...fuck 'em.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are a citizen subject to US law and jurisdiction, Dale. If you keep failing to pay your taxes and other obligations, you will that out, very forcefully if necessary.

 

[FA_Q2]

Where does he get the idea that it is his land?

That is where his asinine claim fails. You do not own a plot of land simply because you deem it so.

 

[Dale Smith]

You are a citizen subject to US law and jurisdiction, Dale. If you keep failing to pay your taxes and other obligations, you will that out, very forcefully if necessary.

You worry about yourself and you will have all you can handle.

 

[Dale Smith]

Where does he get the idea that it is his land?

That is where his asinine claim fails. You do not own a plot of land simply because you deem it so.

But that's what "da gubermint" did aka USA.INC.....it's not the "people's land" once they take possession of it lest you think otherwise.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The federal land is the people's land.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are a citizen subject to US law and jurisdiction, Dale. If you keep failing to pay your taxes and other obligations, you will that out, very forcefully if necessary.

You worry about yourself and you will have all you can handle.

Yet you are worrying about everybody else by posting here. Believe in error as you wish and do no harm.

 

[Dale Smith]

You are a citizen subject to US law and jurisdiction, Dale. If you keep failing to pay your taxes and other obligations, you will that out, very forcefully if necessary.

You worry about yourself and you will have all you can handle.

Yet you are worrying about everybody else by posting here. Believe in error as you wish and do no harm.

Really? I tell people how they should live their lives? Got any examples of that? Harm? Not my style.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Good for you.

 

[Dale Smith]

The federal land is the people's land.

Really? Then try and camp on "Federal land" and let me know how that works out for ya. We do not have allodial rights. We lost the last of that with the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933. Look at the title to your home....says tenet.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The federal land is the people's land.

Really? Then try and camp on "Federal land" and let me know how that works out for ya. We do not have allodial rights. We lost the last of that with the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933. Look at the title to your home....says tenet.

I have no mortgages on my homes and condos. Titles say "owner." And from the beginning the lands to the west and south that have come into the union have come iaw with the contracts of the territories and the one republic negotiated by with federal government on the behalf of We the People. We live in a Republic.

 

[Dale Smith]

The federal land is the people's land.

Really? Then try and camp on "Federal land" and let me know how that works out for ya. We do not have allodial rights. We lost the last of that with the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933. Look at the title to your home....says tenet.

I have no mortgages on my homes and condos. Titles say "owner." And from the beginning the lands to the west and south that have come into the union have come iaw with the contracts of the territories and the one republic negotiated by with federal government on the behalf of We the People. We live in a Republic.

Do you pay property taxes? If so, you do not own your home or land.. We were founded as a Republic but it seems that we lost it along the way.

 

[SwimExpert]

The federal land is the people's land.

Really? Then try and camp on "Federal land" and let me know how that works out for ya. We do not have allodial rights. We lost the last of that with the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933. Look at the title to your home....says tenet.

People like you just make shit up and then start believing it because you want to. It's alot like being an angsty teenager. Only difference is that angsty teenagers usually have alot of sex, while you have alot of .... tissues.

 

[Dale Smith]

The federal land is the people's land.

Really? Then try and camp on "Federal land" and let me know how that works out for ya. We do not have allodial rights. We lost the last of that with the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933. Look at the title to your home....says tenet.

People like you just make shit up and then start believing it because you want to. It's alot like being an angsty teenager. Only difference is that angsty teenagers usually have alot of sex, while you have alot of .... tissues.

People like you are just ignorant of the history of our country. Why does the president have the authority to sign executive orders thus bypassing Congress altogether....do you know why? Hint: It goes back to the Chapter 11 bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933. Just because you are ignorant and stupid doesn't mean everyone else is. This is all I do....I haven't owned a TV in 4 years and have no interest in ever having one again. I average a book every three days and I listen to documentaries and lectures at work. I have invested close to 14 thousand hours doing nothing but this. It seems to me that you are jealous that you don't know what I do...or it could be that you can't wrap your mind around the fact that your beloved "gubermint" is full of lying sacks of shit.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The federal land is the people's land.

Really? Then try and camp on "Federal land" and let me know how that works out for ya. We do not have allodial rights. We lost the last of that with the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933. Look at the title to your home....says tenet.

I have no mortgages on my homes and condos. Titles say "owner." And from the beginning the lands to the west and south that have come into the union have come iaw with the contracts of the territories and the one republic negotiated by with federal government on the behalf of We the People. We live in a Republic.

Do you pay property taxes? If so, you do not own your home or land.. We were founded as a Republic but it seems that we lost it along the way.

Only a goof thinks taxes means we are not a Republic. Taxes are mentioned in the Constitution and almost every founding charter document of colonies, townships, etc. You are goofy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"People like you are just ignorant of the history of our country" is the statement of one-side, narrow minded concrete learners who refuse to accept that they are a part of society. Those who deny are lying sacks of shit.

 

[Dale Smith]

The federal land is the people's land.

Really? Then try and camp on "Federal land" and let me know how that works out for ya. We do not have allodial rights. We lost the last of that with the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933. Look at the title to your home....says tenet.

I have no mortgages on my homes and condos. Titles say "owner." And from the beginning the lands to the west and south that have come into the union have come iaw with the contracts of the territories and the one republic negotiated by with federal government on the behalf of We the People. We live in a Republic.

Do you pay property taxes? If so, you do not own your home or land.. We were founded as a Republic but it seems that we lost it along the way.

Only a goof thinks taxes means we are not a Republic. Taxes are mentioned in the Constitution and almost every founding charter document of colonies, townships, etc. You are goofy.

Really? Property taxes are in the Constitution? Taxes on the wages of someone bartering his labor in exchange for something of value is in the Constitution? Look up what Allodial rights mean and look up the Supreme Court decisions concerning the income tax and how the 16th amendment did not give the government the right to tax labor. While you are at it, look up what a Promissory note is and how it relates to the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933 and the gold confiscation. This could be a good educational experience for ya.

 

[Rustic]

The federal land is the people's land.

Not really...

 

[NYcarbineer]

The federal land is the people's land.

Really? Then try and camp on "Federal land" and let me know how that works out for ya. We do not have allodial rights. We lost the last of that with the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of USA.INC in 1933. Look at the title to your home....says tenet.

I have no mortgages on my homes and condos. Titles say "owner." And from the beginning the lands to the west and south that have come into the union have come iaw with the contracts of the territories and the one republic negotiated by with federal government on the behalf of We the People. We live in a Republic.

Do you pay property taxes? If so, you do not own your home or land.. We were founded as a Republic but it seems that we lost it along the way.

Only a goof thinks taxes means we are not a Republic. Taxes are mentioned in the Constitution and almost every founding charter document of colonies, townships, etc. You are goofy.

Really? Property taxes are in the Constitution? Taxes on the wages of someone bartering his labor in exchange for something of value is in the Constitution? Look up what Allodial rights mean and look up the Supreme Court decisions concerning the income tax and how the 16th amendment did not give the government the right to tax labor. While you are at it, look up what a Promissory note is and how it relates to the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of 1933 and the gold confiscation. This could be a good educational experience for ya.

Labor is not taxed in a barter transaction. The value of goods and services received are taxed.