Why are conservatives clueless about our Constitution?

[Dad2three]

I don't know how to respond to question marks...

shitflinger is a troll. His desire is to fling shit, one liners to promote leftism or attack liberty.

I just knock him off the fence occasionally - after which he disappears.

It is very clear that the "militia" is the whole of the people, if needed I can offer a dozen cites to support this. If we desire the militia to be trained, then it makes sense to include such training in the public schools, as was done through the 1950's.

BTW, ever hear of a school shooting in the 50's?

History of School Shootings in the United States

List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Uncensored2008]

Weird, kinda think gun control versus outlawing guns IS the compromise dummy?

Speech control versus outlawing speech?

Hmm. I don't think that's what "shall not be infringed."

I see why you cut & paste like a mindless monkey, you don't do well articulating your own thoughts.

What's so wrong with wanting ALL guns and gun owners known and registered?

What's wrong with having all speech known and pre-approved?

Well damn sparky, you Khmer Rouge types have a difficult time conceptualizing "liberty," doncha?

EVERYTHING you posit is just right wing garbage without honesty or critical thinking involved. Go listen to your Gaaawd on hate talk radio Buba

You know, North Korea exists. The society you seek to create is already there. Why don't you just ******* move?

 

[teapartysamurai]

Conservatives wrap themselves in the Constitution and act like they are the only ones concerned with the founders principles in crafting this great document

The key component of our Constitution that Conservatives have declared war on is the idea of compromise. Our founders created a form of governent that was built on the assumption that there would be compromise. Congressmen and Senators must compromise with each other to craft a bill and get it passed....

I will give you this if you will give me that

That is how our government has functioned for hundreds of years. Instead, Conservatives have instituted a policy of....If I don't get my way, nothing will get done

That attitude is an insult to our founders who formed our very government out of compromise

where does it say compromise in the constitution?

perhaps we should just compromise every year and change the entire constitution....

while compromise often makes good government, it is not always in the best interest of the country and certainly NOT a constitutional mandate. your thread is full of fail.

WAS the Constitution formed (like our nation) with compromise?

Because something ISN'T in the US Constitution, should that mean we needn't be for it, like capitalism?

Capitalism isn't in the Constitution?

Dude, we have property rights. THAT's capitalism.

It's socialism that isn't in the Constitution.

Take your marxist fantasies to Democratic Underground. They wouldn't probably take them seriously.

 

[teapartysamurai]

I don't know how to respond to question marks...

shitflinger is a troll. His desire is to fling shit, one liners to promote leftism or attack liberty.

I just knock him off the fence occasionally - after which he disappears.

It is very clear that the "militia" is the whole of the people, if needed I can offer a dozen cites to support this. If we desire the militia to be trained, then it makes sense to include such training in the public schools, as was done through the 1950's.

BTW, ever hear of a school shooting in the 50's?

History of School Shootings in the United States

List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So, you are NOT willing to compromise. Thank you for admitting that.

You just proved me right, and the thread fails!

 

[Dad2three]

I REPEAT!

WHAT ARE YOU LYING LIBERALS WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON????????

You talk compromise but you don't mean it.

It only means WE compromise, YOU DON'T.

So what are YOU willing to compromise on????

THIS IS ANOTHER THREAD I'M ABOUT TO KILL, BECAUSE NONE OF YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HONESTLY ANSWER THAT ONE AND YOU KNOW IT!

OK....lets go there

Spending cuts in exchange for tax increases
Cuts in the Military in exchange for cuts in social spending
Immigration reform in return for tighter border security
Alternate energy investment in return for increased drilling rights

I'm game....you willing to COMPROMISE?

What about ABORTION????

What about gay rights?

And I've seen you libs "compromise" on cutting spending in exchange for tax increases.

The tax increases are immediate, the spending cuts never come, they are only promised.

Which spending cuts were promised? By whom and when?

Weird, Clinton had 4 (3 after vetoing the GOP's $700+ billion tax cut) surpluses with nearly 20% of GDP in revenues, the GOP gets into office with Dubya, gut revenues (TO KOREAN WAR LEVELS, LESS THAN 15% OF GDP) with 2 UNFUNDED tax cuts (NOT cutting spending), ramps up spending with 2 UNFUNDED wars and UNFUNDED Medicare expansion, but the conservatives whine about the Dems? lol

 

[teapartysamurai]

OK....lets take that definition

How is a unit "well-trained"?
It meets regularly, it has set training and drills, physical standards

How is a unit "well equipped"?
It has good equipment that is up to date, maintained and supportable
How do you know what weapons your militia has and whether they are functional unless you register them?

Shitflinger, would you support putting shooting back into schools as part of the curriculum?

Shitsensored, I have no objection to shooting clubs or teams in our school system. I think we have better things to spend our tax money on than making it part of the curriculum

But that's not compromise. That's just saying it's okay as long as it's not part of what's taught. That's not a compromise.

 

[rightwinger]

I REPEAT!

WHAT ARE YOU LYING LIBERALS WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON????????

You talk compromise but you don't mean it.

It only means WE compromise, YOU DON'T.

So what are YOU willing to compromise on????

THIS IS ANOTHER THREAD I'M ABOUT TO KILL, BECAUSE NONE OF YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HONESTLY ANSWER THAT ONE AND YOU KNOW IT!

OK....lets go there

Spending cuts in exchange for tax increases
Cuts in the Military in exchange for cuts in social spending
Immigration reform in return for tighter border security
Alternate energy investment in return for increased drilling rights

I'm game....you willing to COMPROMISE?

What about ABORTION????

What about gay rights?

And I've seen you libs "compromise" on cutting spending in exchange for tax increases.

The tax increases are immediate, the spending cuts never come, they are only promised.

OK lets go there

Abortion: Increased funding for birth control, maternity care and daycare. Reduce the NEED for abortion
Gay rights are human rights. I am not willing to "compromise" what rights others are allowed to have

I have seen the same on the Reagan and Bush tax cuts. Cut taxes first and worry about spending later. I am willing to sit down and COMPROMISE and do both at the same time

 

[Uncensored2008]

History of School Shootings in the United States

List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So the first actual school shooting wasn't until 1985.

You didn't read the list, did you, stupid?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Know who's famous for being unwilling to compromise politically? Ayn Rand.

"There can be no compromise on basic principles. There can be no compromise on moral issues. There can be no compromise on matters of knowledge, of truth, of rational conviction."

"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil."

 

[rightwinger]

OK....lets take that definition

How is a unit "well-trained"?
It meets regularly, it has set training and drills, physical standards

How is a unit "well equipped"?
It has good equipment that is up to date, maintained and supportable
How do you know what weapons your militia has and whether they are functional unless you register them?

Shitflinger, would you support putting shooting back into schools as part of the curriculum?

Shitsensored, I have no objection to shooting clubs or teams in our school system. I think we have better things to spend our tax money on than making it part of the curriculum

But that's not compromise. That's just saying it's okay as long as it's not part of what's taught. That's not a compromise.

How bout we compromise this?
We won't have mandatory Sandy Hook shooting studies and you won't have mandatory gun class

 

[Dad2three]

Conservatives wrap themselves in the Constitution and act like they are the only ones concerned with the founders principles in crafting this great document

The key component of our Constitution that Conservatives have declared war on is the idea of compromise. Our founders created a form of governent that was built on the assumption that there would be compromise. Congressmen and Senators must compromise with each other to craft a bill and get it passed....

I will give you this if you will give me that

That is how our government has functioned for hundreds of years. Instead, Conservatives have instituted a policy of....If I don't get my way, nothing will get done

That attitude is an insult to our founders who formed our very government out of compromise

where does it say compromise in the constitution?

perhaps we should just compromise every year and change the entire constitution....

while compromise often makes good government, it is not always in the best interest of the country and certainly NOT a constitutional mandate. your thread is full of fail.

WAS the Constitution formed (like our nation) with compromise?

Because something ISN'T in the US Constitution, should that mean we needn't be for it, like capitalism?

Capitalism isn't in the Constitution?

Dude, we have property rights. THAT's capitalism.

It's socialism that isn't in the Constitution.

Take your marxist fantasies to Democratic Underground. They wouldn't probably take them seriously.

PLEASE point to capitalism in the Constitution?


(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.

Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation
   
   Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.
   
   The goal, most forcefully articulated by Hamilton, was to ensure that dearly won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe. The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce, was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny.

American School of Economics

American School economics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Dad2three]

Know who's famous for being unwilling to compromise politically? Ayn Rand.

"There can be no compromise on basic principles. There can be no compromise on moral issues. There can be no compromise on matters of knowledge, of truth, of rational conviction."

"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil."

ONE policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on ANY policy in the US?

 

[teapartysamurai]

I REPEAT!

WHAT ARE YOU LYING LIBERALS WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON????????

You talk compromise but you don't mean it.

It only means WE compromise, YOU DON'T.

So what are YOU willing to compromise on????

THIS IS ANOTHER THREAD I'M ABOUT TO KILL, BECAUSE NONE OF YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HONESTLY ANSWER THAT ONE AND YOU KNOW IT!

OK....lets go there

Spending cuts in exchange for tax increases
Cuts in the Military in exchange for cuts in social spending
Immigration reform in return for tighter border security
Alternate energy investment in return for increased drilling rights

I'm game....you willing to COMPROMISE?

What about ABORTION????

What about gay rights?

And I've seen you libs "compromise" on cutting spending in exchange for tax increases.

The tax increases are immediate, the spending cuts never come, they are only promised.

Which spending cuts were promised? By whom and when?

Weird, Clinton had 4 (3 after vetoing the GOP's $700+ billion tax cut) surpluses with nearly 20% of GDP in revenues, the GOP gets into office with Dubya, gut revenues (TO KOREAN WAR LEVELS, LESS THAN 15% OF GDP) with 2 UNFUNDED tax cuts (NOT cutting spending), ramps up spending with 2 UNFUNDED wars and UNFUNDED Medicare expansion, but the conservatives whine about the Dems? lol

Do you all remember, NO new taxes???

Bush (41) agreed to raise taxes in exchange for spending cuts to go to bringing down the deficit. NOT ONE DIME WAS EVER USED TO DO THAT!

The Democrats lied to Bush, promising they would if he agreed to the tax increase.

Instead they used the broken promise (regardless of the fact they broke their promise) against Bush in the 92 election.

Which is FUNNY, because Clinton ALSO PROMISED TO CUT TAXES.

Instead he raised them retroactive to Jan 1, 1993.

But liberals were quiet about that broken promise.

I have a very LONG memory of liberals agreeing to cut spending.

Haven't seen them cut a dime yet.

Liars, every last one of them.

BTW, the surplus happened because Republicans forced a capital gains tax cut on Clinton. The very thing Bush 41 said would fix the recession but Democrats refused to go along with in '90.

If you will remember, Clinton's own CBO projected deficits clear into 2010 before the Republicans won in 1994. The surplus happened AFTER they took control and forced Clinton to sign a bill cutting capital gains.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Know who's famous for being unwilling to compromise politically? Ayn Rand.

"There can be no compromise on basic principles. There can be no compromise on moral issues. There can be no compromise on matters of knowledge, of truth, of rational conviction."

"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil."

ONE policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on ANY policy in the US?

War with Afganistan comes to mind.

 

[teapartysamurai]

I REPEAT!

WHAT ARE YOU LYING LIBERALS WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON????????

You talk compromise but you don't mean it.

It only means WE compromise, YOU DON'T.

So what are YOU willing to compromise on????

THIS IS ANOTHER THREAD I'M ABOUT TO KILL, BECAUSE NONE OF YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HONESTLY ANSWER THAT ONE AND YOU KNOW IT!

OK....lets go there

Spending cuts in exchange for tax increases
Cuts in the Military in exchange for cuts in social spending
Immigration reform in return for tighter border security
Alternate energy investment in return for increased drilling rights

I'm game....you willing to COMPROMISE?

What about ABORTION????

What about gay rights?

And I've seen you libs "compromise" on cutting spending in exchange for tax increases.

The tax increases are immediate, the spending cuts never come, they are only promised.

Which spending cuts were promised? By whom and when?

Weird, Clinton had 4 (3 after vetoing the GOP's $700+ billion tax cut) surpluses with nearly 20% of GDP in revenues, the GOP gets into office with Dubya, gut revenues (TO KOREAN WAR LEVELS, LESS THAN 15% OF GDP) with 2 UNFUNDED tax cuts (NOT cutting spending), ramps up spending with 2 UNFUNDED wars and UNFUNDED Medicare expansion, but the conservatives whine about the Dems? lol

Do you all remember, NO new taxes???

Bush (41) agreed to raise taxes in exchange for spending cuts to go to bringing down the deficit. NOT ONE DIME WAS EVER USED TO DO THAT!

The Democrats lied to Bush, promising they would if he agreed to the tax increase.

Instead they used the broken promise (regardless of the fact they broke their promise) against Bush in the 92 election.

Which is FUNNY, because Clinton ALSO PROMISED TO CUT TAXES.

Instead he raised them retroactive to Jan 1, 1993.

But liberals were quiet about that broken promise.

I have a very LONG memory of liberals agreeing to cut spending.

Haven't seen them cut a dime yet.

Liars, every last one of them.

BTW, the surplus happened because Republicans forced a capital gains tax cut on Clinton. The very thing Bush 41 said would fix the recession but Democrats refused to go along with in '90.

If you will remember, Clinton's own CBO projected deficits clear into 2010 before the Republicans won in 1994. The surplus happened AFTER they took control and forced Clinton to sign a bill cutting capital gains AND WELFARE REFORM.

Do you all remember, NO new taxes???

Bush (41) agreed to raise taxes in exchange for spending cuts to go to bringing down the deficit. NOT ONE DIME WAS EVER USED TO DO THAT!

The Democrats lied to Bush, promising they would if he agreed to the tax increase.

Instead they used the broken promise (regardless of the fact they broke their promise) against Bush in the 92 election.

Which is FUNNY, because Clinton ALSO PROMISED TO CUT TAXES.

Instead he raised them retroactive to Jan 1, 1993.

But liberals were quiet about that broken promise.

I have a very LONG memory of liberals agreeing to cut spending.

Haven't seen them cut a dime yet.

Liars, every last one of them.

BTW, the surplus happened because Republicans forced a capital gains tax cut on Clinton. The very thing Bush 41 said would fix the recession but Democrats refused to go along with in '90.

If you will remember, Clinton's own CBO projected deficits clear into 2010 before the Republicans won in 1994. The surplus happened AFTER they took control and forced Clinton to sign a bill cutting capital gains AND WELFARE REFORM.[/QUOTE]

 

[Dad2three]

Weird, kinda think gun control versus outlawing guns IS the compromise dummy?

Speech control versus outlawing speech?

Hmm. I don't think that's what "shall not be infringed."

I see why you cut & paste like a mindless monkey, you don't do well articulating your own thoughts.

What's so wrong with wanting ALL guns and gun owners known and registered?

What's wrong with having all speech known and pre-approved?

Well damn sparky, you Khmer Rouge types have a difficult time conceptualizing "liberty," doncha?

EVERYTHING you posit is just right wing garbage without honesty or critical thinking involved. Go listen to your Gaaawd on hate talk radio Buba

You know, North Korea exists. The society you seek to create is already there. Why don't you just ******* move?

'Liberty'? lol

I wish I could live in fantasyland like the GOP. Sadly, I have to live with facts and reality.
The problem with the conservative movement in America is that it is based on bigotry, hatred, and, greed. Above all, greed. Money is their god. They worship money and the holders of it and despise those who don't have it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Shitsensored, I have no objection to shooting clubs or teams in our school system. I think we have better things to spend our tax money on than making it part of the curriculum

shitflinger, what is the militia?

I'd wait for you to lie, but to save a little time:

{George Mason, one of the Framers of the U.S. Constitution, said, "Who are the Militia? They consist now of the whole people, except for a few public officers." Yet we also see statutes like 10 USC 311, which defines it as "all able- bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 13 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States." Some state statutes define it as "able-bodied males" of different age ranges, such as 16 through 59.}

History of the U.S. Militia

Now look, you're a feral baboon, a shit flinging monkey. Your only purpose in this forum is to shriek and fling shit at passers by, I get it.

But one of the turd you hurled was a complaint about training - IF your turd about training has merit, then are not the already socialized schools the place to do it?

I know, you never meant it as a serious point, you were just flinging shit, as a feral baboon does. Still, well trained DOES make sense, yet we see again that you balk at the proposal to actually train the militia.

Get thee to a baboonary.

 

[Dad2three]

Know who's famous for being unwilling to compromise politically? Ayn Rand.

"There can be no compromise on basic principles. There can be no compromise on moral issues. There can be no compromise on matters of knowledge, of truth, of rational conviction."

"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil."

ONE policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on ANY policy in the US?

War with Afganistan comes to mind.

WAR is a policy? SERIOUSLY? ,lol

But how'd Dubya do in his war? Oh right, Iraq diverted his attention AND troops against the 'good war' to the one which Dubya created on false premises!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Weird, kinda think gun control versus outlawing guns IS the compromise dummy?

Speech control versus outlawing speech?

Hmm. I don't think that's what "shall not be infringed."

I see why you cut & paste like a mindless monkey, you don't do well articulating your own thoughts.

What's so wrong with wanting ALL guns and gun owners known and registered?

What's wrong with having all speech known and pre-approved?

Well damn sparky, you Khmer Rouge types have a difficult time conceptualizing "liberty," doncha?

EVERYTHING you posit is just right wing garbage without honesty or critical thinking involved. Go listen to your Gaaawd on hate talk radio Buba

You know, North Korea exists. The society you seek to create is already there. Why don't you just ******* move?

'Liberty'? lol

I wish I could live in fantasyland like the GOP. Sadly, I have to live with facts and reality.
The problem with the conservative movement in America is that it is based on bigotry, hatred, and, greed. Above all, greed. Money is their god. They worship money and the holders of it and despise those who don't have it.

Yeah yeah yeah, we are just soooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil.

Another example of liberals mindlessly demagoguing so they don't have to compromise.

You are just proving me right.

That's what liberals do. They demagogue without ANY evidence, and use that as a way to self righteously claim they don't have to compromise.

It's just us that has to compromise.

Why do you insist on continuing to prove me right.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Know who's famous for being unwilling to compromise politically? Ayn Rand.

"There can be no compromise on basic principles. There can be no compromise on moral issues. There can be no compromise on matters of knowledge, of truth, of rational conviction."

"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil."

ONE policy conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on ANY policy in the US?

War with Afganistan comes to mind.

WAR is a policy? SERIOUSLY? ,lol

But how'd Dubya do in his war? Oh right, Iraq diverted his attention AND troops against the 'good war' to the one which Dubya created on false premises!

So, you aren't willing to compromise.

I've proven right again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!