Why are conservatives clueless about our Constitution?

[Youch]

Conservatives wrap themselves in the Constitution and act like they are the only ones concerned with the founders principles in crafting this great document

The key component of our Constitution that Conservatives have declared war on is the idea of compromise. Our founders created a form of governent that was built on the assumption that there would be compromise. Congressmen and Senators must compromise with each other to craft a bill and get it passed....

I will give you this if you will give me that

That is how our government has functioned for hundreds of years. Instead, Conservatives have instituted a policy of....If I don't get my way, nothing will get done

That attitude is an insult to our founders who formed our very government out of compromise

Dumb or Dumber,

Got an example?

Hard to debate an baseless, emotional rant. Provide an example. It will then be easily debated. Thanks.

 

[Dad2three]

Got it, just another proud KKKGOP voter you are

when suckers of the public tit get their ass handed to them by those of us who are actually NET tax payers, the first thing such suckers do is call us racist


Guess what whiner Its not my duty to pay for your cretinous spawn.

lol, Keep bellieving that nonsense

ONCE MORE:


Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know

Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know


Blue States are from Scandinavia, Red States are from Guatemala A theory of a divided nation

In the red states, government is cheaper, which means the people who live there pay lower taxes. But they also get a lot less in return. The unemployment checks run out more quickly and the schools generally aren’t as good. Assistance with health care, child care, and housing is skimpier, if it exists at all. The result of this divergence is that one half of the country looks more and more like Scandinavia, while the other increasingly resembles a social Darwinist’s paradise.


Blue States are from Scandinavia Red States are from Guatemala New Republic

Only a moron like you would believe RED States have no Dem voters and vice versa

DO A SEARCH of where the RICHEST GOP supporters live

WESTCHESTER COUNTY NY, ORANGE COUNTY CALIFORNIA. Parts of BOSTON, HARTFORD CT, UPPER EAST SIDE NY etc

Weird

ONCE MORE

Among the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled between 2007 and 2011, Republican Mitt Romney won 213 of them in last year’s presidential election, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. Kentucky’s Owsley County, which backed Romney with 81 percent of its vote, has the largest proportion of food stamp recipients among those that he carried.

Food Stamp Cut Backed by Republicans With Voters on Rolls - Bloomberg


LOOK TO CITIES, LIKE CALI WHERE I AM AT, Inland areas like Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield are shitholes that vote GOP and the coastal areas have the money and vote Dems. Hmm?

so tell me teat suckler--why do the DEMS Cater to the TEAT SUCKERS and the GOP CATERS TO us NET TAX PAYERS (last year my federal tax bill was over 400K)

Sure it was Bubba, lol

Look at these so called conservative guru's, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck ( the three wise monkeys) you name it, everyone of them dropped out of college, too dumb possibly, but more likely too close minded to accept any other opinion or theory!!!

Many people I listen to who say they are conservatives don't have two cents to scratch their a**s with, and here's the funny part most of them don't even have health insurance, not because they choose not to have it, but because they can't afford it, or simply because they can't get it because of current state of health, and they still defend the system.......truly pathetic!!!

 

[Katzndogz]

Conservatives know what the Constitution says. Liberals know what they want the Constitution to say.

 

[Dad2three]

Conservatives wrap themselves in the Constitution and act like they are the only ones concerned with the founders principles in crafting this great document

The key component of our Constitution that Conservatives have declared war on is the idea of compromise. Our founders created a form of governent that was built on the assumption that there would be compromise. Congressmen and Senators must compromise with each other to craft a bill and get it passed....

I will give you this if you will give me that

That is how our government has functioned for hundreds of years. Instead, Conservatives have instituted a policy of....If I don't get my way, nothing will get done

That attitude is an insult to our founders who formed our very government out of compromise

Dumb or Dumber,

Got an example?

Hard to debate an baseless, emotional rant. Provide an example. It will then be easily debated. Thanks.

James Madison "Godfather of the Constitution"


Was Madison the "Father of the Constitution"? Not if by "father" we mean the sole male progenitor, for as Madison himself had shown years earlier in Federalist 38, while most governments were the work of "some individual citizen of preeminent wisdom and approved integrity," the Philadelphia experiment was the result "of a select body of citizens, from whose common deliberations more wisdom as well as more safety" might be assumed. Clearly, as both his words and tone convey, Madison preferred the latter course.

Which is not to say that he was always thrilled at the results of those "deliberations." On the contrary, Madison was thwarted on a wide range of minor and not-so-minor points, including two issues — a federal "negative" (veto) over the states and proportional representation in both houses of Congress — that he considered crucial to his dream of a government that would safeguard private rights and still promote the public good


James Madison Godfather of the Constitution - The Early America Review Summer 1997

 

[Dad2three]

Conservatives know what the Constitution says. Liberals know what they want the Constitution to say.

lol

Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."


Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html

 

[Dad2three]

Our founders created a form of governent that was built on the assumption that there would be compromise. Congressmen and Senators must compromise with each other to craft a bill and get it passed....
I will give you this if you will give me that

This is a laughably false assumption.

The truth is, the founders designed the Constitution so that no laws would be passed unless three different groups, with three different sets of interests and loyalties, all agreed that it was needed. If even one group didn't want it, it was discarded.

The three groups were:

1.) Citizen-legislators who were loyal to their communities, and who would serve only briefly before going back to their real lives (House);
2.) Professional politicians appointed by their states whose loyalties were to see that states maintained power and the Federal government remained limited (Senate);
3.) A citizen of high character and integrity who had no legislative power but could stop laws he thought were wrong or unnecessary (President).

The reason the founders designed it that way, was because they assumed that free men pretty much didn't need laws to live and prosper. Only laws that were obvious (laws forbidding murder, assault, fraud, theft etc.; laws mandating standards for measurement, money etc.) would be passed. In all other matters, men were free to do what they wanted, and it was up to them to figure out how best to prosper and provide for themselves, their families, and their communities, as long as they didn't venture into the realm of those obvious laws.

The basic assumption the Founders made, was that laws were necessary evils that took away freedom and inhibited people from using their better judgment; and that only laws that EVERYONE thought were necessary, should be passed. Which were relatively few.
The idea of compromise, goes directly AGAINST that basic assumption, and in fact is destructive. It causes people to make laws that some of them disagree with: Laws the founders knew should NOT be imposed upon a free people.

The founders deliberately set up a government that had great difficulty in passing laws. If one group didn't like the law, it was toast.

And that's a good thing.

Only people who are willing to ignore the bad effects of laws (they override the better judgment of the people who are there on the spot and working for their families' and communities' own good), could possibly think that the kind of compromise the OP mentions is desirable. They are our chronic big-government addicts, who believe that a remote, detached, bureaucratic government can somehow make better decisions that the people directly involved who must live with the consequences of those decisions.

The obvious laws I described, produce far more benefit than harm. No compromise is needed to see that they should be passed.

Laws that require compromise, usually do more harm than good, and should NOT be passed. That's why the Founders designed such a cranky, cantankerous government,that has three ways to stop a law but only one way to pass it.

If a law is proposed that most of an entire group of legislators think are bad, we are probably better off without it.

This, of course, flies in the face of the big-govt addicts who think government is wiser than free citizens and more and more restrictions are good. They are wrong on both counts.

The "you vote for my law even if you don't like it, and I will vote for yours later even if I don't like that" attitude, is exactly what the founders wanted to avoid. And for good reason.

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics

When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.


Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation
   
   
   Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.

American School of Economics

American School economics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."

Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html

 

[Dad2three]

Conservatives wrap themselves in the Constitution and act like they are the only ones concerned with the founders principles in crafting this great document

The key component of our Constitution that Conservatives have declared war on is the idea of compromise. Our founders created a form of governent that was built on the assumption that there would be compromise. Congressmen and Senators must compromise with each other to craft a bill and get it passed....

I will give you this if you will give me that

That is how our government has functioned for hundreds of years. Instead, Conservatives have instituted a policy of....If I don't get my way, nothing will get done

That attitude is an insult to our founders who formed our very government out of compromise

This is pretty funny coming from the people who voted for a President who said he would NOT compromise.

Remember Obama telling Republicans they have to "sit in the back?"

Obama Tells GOP Get In Back Obama Get In Back Video Mediaite

Or Obama threatening his pen over and over because he couldn't get his two year old way with Republicans???

Obama On Executive Actions 8216 I 8217 ve Got A Pen And I 8217 ve Got A Phone 8217 CBS DC

But now liberals want to whine and moan about "compromise?"

That's hilarious! You liberals are such liars!

On what do you want to compromise? Abortion? Obamacare? Ebola? Closing the border?

Exactly WHAT do you want to compromise on? You don't!

When liberals whine about "compromise" they mean conservatives have to compromise.

LIBERALS NEVER EVER COMPROMISE ON ANYTHING THEY WANT.

So, cram your phony compromise meme, until you're willing to compromise from your side of things.

Tell us what you are willing to compromise on?

I expect crickets from liberals on this!

You mean what HASN'T Obama compromised on? Remember the tax hike he wanted on the 'job creators' at $200,000-$250,000 and compromised at $400,000+?

Or stimulus which was 40% tax cuts, TO GET A FEW GOP votes?

Or his COMPROMISE at his idea of 45% ESTATE tax that's he agreed to 35% AND exempted the first $5 million?


THE PARTY OF NO HAS FOUGHT EVERYTHING FROM OBAMA FROM DAY ONE!!!

I never meant to say that the conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.

John Stuart Mill, in a letter to the Conservative MP, John Pakington

 

[Dad2three]

Let's face it, the majority of the far-right are not that bright. There only understanding of the Constitution is what Fox news spoon feeds them.

most members of the far right (whatever that means in the mind of a leftwing Obama slurper such as you) are much smarter than Obama fluffers who depend on government to feed and clothe them

Among the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled between 2007 and 2011, Republican Mitt Romney won 213 of them in last year’s presidential election, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. Kentucky’s Owsley County, which backed Romney with 81 percent of its vote, has the largest proportion of food stamp recipients among those that he carried.


Food Stamp Cut Backed by Republicans With Voters on Rolls - Bloomberg

Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know
Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know

that proves nothing but what does matter is the ethnic group with the lowest average IQ and lowest rate of educational achievement voted for Obola Nairobi at rates of 96%

Got it, just another proud KKKGOP voter you are

when suckers of the public tit get their ass handed to them by those of us who are actually NET tax payers, the first thing such suckers do is call us racist


Guess what whiner Its not my duty to pay for your cretinous spawn.

We have a political party and *news* channel that caters to people who live in Black-n-White World. Even though nearly all societies have some socialist aspects to them, Faux News and Republicans like to spotlight individual things and label them and anyone who supports them as "socialist."

Most of Faux News viewers are non-1%er retirees, which means they are lapping up most of the socialism the US offers its citizens: social security and Medicare.

What do you expect from people who lie, distort, and misrepresent everything they say because they have to, otherwise their bullsh-t would be obvious even to the stupid people that agree with them because they do not have a clue...

 

[Uncensored2008]

lol, Keep bellieving that nonsense

ONCE MORE:


Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know

Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know


Blue States are from Scandinavia, Red States are from Guatemala A theory of a divided nation

In the red states, government is cheaper, which means the people who live there pay lower taxes. But they also get a lot less in return. The unemployment checks run out more quickly and the schools generally aren’t as good. Assistance with health care, child care, and housing is skimpier, if it exists at all. The result of this divergence is that one half of the country looks more and more like Scandinavia, while the other increasingly resembles a social Darwinist’s paradise.


Blue States are from Scandinavia Red States are from Guatemala New Republic

Well **** Comrade, a blog from 2010 that points to the hate site KOS from 2004, which links to an article from 2002 claiming that "red state" (what a stupid ******* term, the Communists calling the Capitalists "red") consumed more federal funds than they generated.

ROFL

You're a ******* retard; a partisan shitbag posting hating points from all the leftist cesspools.

An alleged "study" from 12 years ago has no meaning at all. California was the #1 recipient of Porkulus, I'm not sure it is what you would call "red," eh Comrade?

You know retard, even in 2002 this was debunked as partisan bullshit, right? NORAD isn't Welfare, nor are military bases or national parks.But democrats are lying ***** - always, amirite Comrade? You pride yourself on your lack of ethics and having zero honor.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Weird

ONCE MORE

Among the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled between 2007 and 2011, Republican Mitt Romney won 213 of them in last year’s presidential election, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. Kentucky’s Owsley County, which backed Romney with 81 percent of its vote, has the largest proportion of food stamp recipients among those that he carried.

Food Stamp Cut Backed by Republicans With Voters on Rolls - Bloomberg


LOOK TO CITIES, LIKE CALI WHERE I AM AT, Inland areas like Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield are shitholes that vote GOP and the coastal areas have the money and vote Dems. Hmm?

Not weird Comrade, middle class workers displaced by Obama are forced onto foodstamps to survive. Hell yeah they wanted Romney, so they could once again have jobs.

Lowest labor participation rate in history - ******* great job your little tin god is doing...

 

[Uncensored2008]

We have a political party and *news* channel that caters to people who live in Black-n-White World. Even though nearly all societies have some socialist aspects to them, Faux News and Republicans like to spotlight individual things and label them and anyone who supports them as "socialist."

Most of Faux News viewers are non-1%er retirees, which means they are lapping up most of the socialism the US offers its citizens: social security and Medicare.

What do you expect from people who lie, distort, and misrepresent everything they say because they have to, otherwise their bullsh-t would be obvious even to the stupid people that agree with them because they do not have a clue...

Says the ******* retard linking to KOS and other hate sites..

 

[Dad2three]

lol, Keep bellieving that nonsense

ONCE MORE:


Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know

Red States Mostly Welfare States Dependent On Blue States But Likely Too Uninformed to Know


Blue States are from Scandinavia, Red States are from Guatemala A theory of a divided nation

In the red states, government is cheaper, which means the people who live there pay lower taxes. But they also get a lot less in return. The unemployment checks run out more quickly and the schools generally aren’t as good. Assistance with health care, child care, and housing is skimpier, if it exists at all. The result of this divergence is that one half of the country looks more and more like Scandinavia, while the other increasingly resembles a social Darwinist’s paradise.


Blue States are from Scandinavia Red States are from Guatemala New Republic

Well **** Comrade, a blog from 2010 that points to the hate site KOS from 2004, which links to an article from 2002 claiming that "red state" (what a stupid ******* term, the Communists calling the Capitalists "red") consumed more federal funds than they generated.

ROFL

You're a ******* retard; a partisan shitbag posting hating points from all the leftist cesspools.

An alleged "study" from 12 years ago has no meaning at all. California was the #1 recipient of Porkulus, I'm not sure it is what you would call "red," eh Comrade?

You know retard, even in 2002 this was debunked as partisan bullshit, right? NORAD isn't Welfare, nor are military bases or national parks.But democrats are lying ***** - always, amirite Comrade? You pride yourself on your lack of ethics and having zero honor.

Got it, you are to ignorant (willful?) to follow it to the ANTI Tax Foundations numbers, lol

Here let me help you

Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State, 1981-2005

Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State 1981-2005 Tax Foundation

Cali, the largest state economy in the US by 50%, got more stimulus? AND?

Dumbass


Even Critics of Safety Net Increasingly Depend on It


He says that too many Americans lean on taxpayers rather than living within their means. He supports politicians who promise to cut government spending. In 2010, he printed T-shirts for the Tea Party campaign of a neighbor, Chip Cravaack, who ousted this region’s long-serving Democratic congressman.

Yet this year, as in each of the past three years, Mr. Gulbranson, 57, is counting on a payment of several thousand dollars from the federal government, a subsidy for working families called the earned-income tax credit. He has signed up his three school-age children to eat free breakfast and lunch at federal expense. And Medicare paid for his mother, 88, to have hip surgery twice.

lol

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/u...d=1&adxnnlx=1413558267-i80xtNuk/LZ1B16BU3EaTw


GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government
GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government

Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In
Even as Republicans gripe about deficit spending, their states get 30 cents more federal spending per tax dollar than their Democratic neighbors.


Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In Mother Jones

 

[Dad2three]

Weird

ONCE MORE

Among the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled between 2007 and 2011, Republican Mitt Romney won 213 of them in last year’s presidential election, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. Kentucky’s Owsley County, which backed Romney with 81 percent of its vote, has the largest proportion of food stamp recipients among those that he carried.

Food Stamp Cut Backed by Republicans With Voters on Rolls - Bloomberg


LOOK TO CITIES, LIKE CALI WHERE I AM AT, Inland areas like Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield are shitholes that vote GOP and the coastal areas have the money and vote Dems. Hmm?

Not weird Comrade, middle class workers displaced by Obama are forced onto foodstamps to survive. Hell yeah they wanted Romney, so they could once again have jobs.

Lowest labor participation rate in history - ******* great job your little tin god is doing...

Yeah, it was Obama's policies that started the 2008 recession *shaking head*

Weird, Dubya/GOP 'job creator' policies lost 1,000,000+ PRIVATE sector jobs in 8 years and you complain of Obama who has a NET of nearly 7 million? lol

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


"We crashed the economy but we don't like the way you tried to fix it." - GOP.


Retirement Among Baby Boomers Contributing To Shrinking Labor Force. According to The Washington Post, many economists agree the shrinking labor force participation rate is largely explained by a demographic shift, wherein "baby boomers are starting to retire en masse"

But since 2000, the labor force rate has been steadily declining as the baby-boom generation has been retiring. Because of this, the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago expects the labor force participation rate to be lower in 2020 than it is today, regardless of how well the economy does.

The incredible shrinking labor force - The Washington Post

 

[Dad2three]

We have a political party and *news* channel that caters to people who live in Black-n-White World. Even though nearly all societies have some socialist aspects to them, Faux News and Republicans like to spotlight individual things and label them and anyone who supports them as "socialist."

Most of Faux News viewers are non-1%er retirees, which means they are lapping up most of the socialism the US offers its citizens: social security and Medicare.

What do you expect from people who lie, distort, and misrepresent everything they say because they have to, otherwise their bullsh-t would be obvious even to the stupid people that agree with them because they do not have a clue...

Says the ******* retard linking to KOS and other hate sites..

Got it, you don't like FACT based sites and instead of TRYING to refute them, you use ad homs. Shocking

Neo-Liberalism/Conservatives is/has destroyed the American Economy in favor of the so called "Job Creator"... In reality are "Job Exporters"...

 

[rightwinger]

They aren't "clueless" exactly...they just think the founders stopped writing after the 2nd Amendment...and only the 1st part of the 2nd Amendment. They pretend the "well regulated" part wasn't written.

The term "well regulated" refers to the mechanism for proper functioning. A well regulated engine, being essential to the proper function of an automobile, the right of these morons to change their oil, shall not be infringed.

Hope that helps!

How does a militia function properly?

Command structure, training, registered and well maintained weapons, members in good physical condition

Prepared for that gun owners?

Where does any document about the Militia say their weapons have to be registered?

Now how the **** can you have a well regulated militia if you have no idea what kind of weapons they have?

Mr DINGLE BERRY SIR:


In 1787 “well-regulated” meant circa 1787? meant well-trained and equipped

OK....lets take that definition

How is a unit "well-trained"?
It meets regularly, it has set training and drills, physical standards

How is a unit "well equipped"?
It has good equipment that is up to date, maintained and supportable
How do you know what weapons your militia has and whether they are functional unless you register them?

 

[teapartysamurai]

I REPEAT!

WHAT ARE YOU LYING LIBERALS WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON????????

You talk compromise but you don't mean it.

It only means WE compromise, YOU DON'T.

So what are YOU willing to compromise on????

THIS IS ANOTHER THREAD I'M ABOUT TO KILL, BECAUSE NONE OF YOU WILL BE ABLE TO HONESTLY ANSWER THAT ONE AND YOU KNOW IT!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Got it, you are to ignorant (willful?) to follow it to the ANTI Tax Foundations numbers, lol

Here let me help you

Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State, 1981-2005

Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State 1981-2005 Tax Foundation

Cali, the largest state economy in the US by 50%, got more stimulus? AND?

Dumbass

Federal spending on WHAT, Comrade?

Fort Hood? Yellowstone?

See, you're a hack and the hate sites that do your thinking for you have no integrity, ergo the shit you post has no meaning.

Even Critics of Safety Net Increasingly Depend on It

He says that too many Americans lean on taxpayers rather than living within their means. He supports politicians who promise to cut government spending. In 2010, he printed T-shirts for the Tea Party campaign of a neighbor, Chip Cravaack, who ousted this region’s long-serving Democratic congressman.

Yet this year, as in each of the past three years, Mr. Gulbranson, 57, is counting on a payment of several thousand dollars from the federal government, a subsidy for working families called the earned-income tax credit. He has signed up his three school-age children to eat free breakfast and lunch at federal expense. And Medicare paid for his mother, 88, to have hip surgery twice.

lol

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/u...d=1&adxnnlx=1413558267-i80xtNuk/LZ1B16BU3EaTw


GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government
GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government

Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In
Even as Republicans gripe about deficit spending, their states get 30 cents more federal spending per tax dollar than their Democratic neighbors.


Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In Mother Jones

The Obama economy has thrown a huge segment of the middle class onto food stamps. The war that the left wages on the middle class rages on, leaving many with no choice at all.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yeah, it was Obama's policies that started the 2008 recession *shaking head*

You're a spambot, an artificial stupidity routine.

I said nothing of Obama creating the recession. Though his mismanagement exasperated the issue.

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1) Higher Energy Costs: When Barack Obama was running for office, he said,"Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.” Obama seems to have few qualms about lying to the American people when it benefits him, but that is one campaign promise he's working very hard to fulfill. He blocked drilling in ANWR, dramatically slowed offshore drilling and he's blocked the keystone pipeline, which would bring cheap Canadian oil to America. So, when your eyes get big because of how much you have to pay to fill up your car, make sure to say, "Thank you, Obama."

Of course, Obama's also working around Congress to put new regulations on coal and emissions in place that may raise the cost of your energy bills by as much as 60%. So, if your energy bill seems higher this summer, make sure to thank Obama because he's helping to make that happen.

2) Killing The Job Market: Barack Obama has imposed 70 billion dollars in new regulations on American businesses so far, America has the highest corporate tax rate in the world, and Obamacare has caused businesses to freeze hiring and move workers from full to part-time. As a result, even though there are 31 million more Americans now than there were in 2000, there are FEWER Americans working. If you don't have a job today, feel free to thank Barack Obama for helping to make that happen.

3) Higher Student Loan Costs: One of the great aspirations of middle class Americans is sending their kids to college. That takes a lot of money that sometimes needs to be borrowed. Many young Americans who hope to work their way into the middle class have taken out college loans as well. Because of Barack Obama, those college loans cost considerably more. After Obama seized the student loan industry, he talked a lot about making college more affordable. However, what he did was charge higher rates for the student loans so he could take the money and funnel it into Obamacare. The government borrows money at 2.8 percent and loans it out to students at 6.8%. Incidentally, those mean old Republicans? They want to cut the rate to 5.3%, but Obama is fighting to make students pay more. So, if you think you're paying too much interest on student loans, make sure to thank Obama for that.

4) Amnesty For Illegal Aliens: Granted, about a third of the Republicans in the Senate backed amnesty, but Barack Obama and the Democrats backed it overwhelmingly. When so many middle class Americans are struggling to find work and can't make ends meet, it's unconscionable to allow 11 million foreigners who are here illegally to take jobs that would otherwise go to Americans. Worse yet, after the chain migration provisions of the bill go into effect, the numbers would zoom up to 25-30 million foreigners competing with Americans for jobs -- and that's before the new guest worker programs. It's bad enough that people who aren't supposed to be here in the first place are taking jobs that should be held by American citizens, but many people don't realize that they drive down wages for Americans who are already employed. You're only worth as much to a business as it costs to replace you and when there's an army of Obama-approved foreigners ready to take your job, it simply doesn't make sense to pay you as much money. Sadly, this hurts poor Americans even worse than the middle class, but with all the Americans out of work, it's hard to see how any politicians who mean well could want to take away the jobs they need to feed their families. You can be sure that if illegals were primarily taking jobs as reporters, college professors, and lawyers, Democrats like Barack Obama would ferociously oppose illegal immigration. However, since that's not the case, if you're out of a job or making less because of illegal immigration, you can thank Barack Obama for it.

5) Higher Health Care Costs: At this point, almost everyone who pays attention realizes that Obamacare was sold almost entirely with lies. One of the biggest lies was that Obamacare would reduce the cost of care. Barack Obama actually claimed it would cut premiums by 15-20%.

5 Ways Barack Obama Is Making War On The Middle Class - John Hawkins - Page full

See, I can cut and paste too, you ******* monkey.

But I can also make my point using my own thoughts.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Got it, you are to ignorant (willful?) to follow it to the ANTI Tax Foundations numbers, lol

Here let me help you

Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State, 1981-2005

Federal Taxes Paid vs. Federal Spending Received by State 1981-2005 Tax Foundation

Cali, the largest state economy in the US by 50%, got more stimulus? AND?

Dumbass

Federal spending on WHAT, Comrade?

Fort Hood? Yellowstone?

See, you're a hack and the hate sites that do your thinking for you have no integrity, ergo the shit you post has no meaning.

Even Critics of Safety Net Increasingly Depend on It

He says that too many Americans lean on taxpayers rather than living within their means. He supports politicians who promise to cut government spending. In 2010, he printed T-shirts for the Tea Party campaign of a neighbor, Chip Cravaack, who ousted this region’s long-serving Democratic congressman.

Yet this year, as in each of the past three years, Mr. Gulbranson, 57, is counting on a payment of several thousand dollars from the federal government, a subsidy for working families called the earned-income tax credit. He has signed up his three school-age children to eat free breakfast and lunch at federal expense. And Medicare paid for his mother, 88, to have hip surgery twice.

lol

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/u...d=1&adxnnlx=1413558267-i80xtNuk/LZ1B16BU3EaTw


GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government
GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government

Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In
Even as Republicans gripe about deficit spending, their states get 30 cents more federal spending per tax dollar than their Democratic neighbors.


Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In Mother Jones

The Obama economy has thrown a huge segment of the middle class onto food stamps. The war that the left wages on the middle class rages on, leaving many with no choice at all.

Don't argue with them over what is better.

Ask them the direct question. They set up the premise.

They are talking about compromise.

WHAT ARE THEY WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON?

You know damn well, they aren't willing to compromise on abortion, gay marriage, the iraq war, the economy, on and on and on.

No, on all those things, it must be their way or the highway.

It's ONLY WE that are supposed to compromise while they get their total baby way.

Don't argue with the premise, take them to task for the premise.

Doing anything else is just playing into their tactic.

 

[Uncensored2008]

OK....lets take that definition

How is a unit "well-trained"?
It meets regularly, it has set training and drills, physical standards

How is a unit "well equipped"?
It has good equipment that is up to date, maintained and supportable
How do you know what weapons your militia has and whether they are functional unless you register them?

Shitflinger, would you support putting shooting back into schools as part of the curriculum?