Who's really responsible for the shutdown?

[candycorn]

Trump.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Trump.

Democrats don't have the votes to get their way so they shutdown the government.

Democracy....

 

[there4eyeM]

Neither party asks the citizenry to contribute to the solutions for the problems that the citizens have caused. They must believe that all solutions must come from Washington or the state houses.

It is not for the "parties" to ask the people, it is for the people to tell the parties and then vote them out when they fail.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

It is not for the "parties" to ask the people, it is for the people to tell the parties and then vote them out when they fail.

Who do the ballot harvesting mills speak for?

 

[Woodznutz]

It is not for the "parties" to ask the people, it is for the people to tell the parties and then vote them out when they fail.

The voters want Washington to solve other people's problems, not theirs. People don't see their problems as even being problems. It's like the old moonshiner muttered when the Pastor preached about the evils of alcohol: "He's quit preachin' and gone to meddlin'."

 

[Doc7505]

Who's really responsible for the shutdown?​

Congress.
Voters could change things, but don't.
The duopoly has taken over what used to be democratic processes in Constitutional government. Voters support this by continuing to reward the duopoly's lackeys with re-election.

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In this case the general use of Congress is a misnomer. The House of Congress passed a "Clean C.R." virtually the same that was passed 13 previous times.
The Senate minority that passed the previous Bills insisted on adding items to the C.R. that would cost the American tax-payer and weaken the ACA.

 

[elektra]

Really. This shouldn’t require any explanation. Get informed.

Ah, poor gipper can only repeat and parrot like a trained monkey

democrats can not articulate the positions of the democrat party, democrats are only driven by hate, repeating yhe insults and hate they here on tv

I kmow you wont answer gipper, you dont have a, "why", gipper does what gipper is told to do

 

[gipper]

Ah, poor gipper can only repeat and parrot like a trained monkey

democrats can not articulate the positions of the democrat party, democrats are only driven by hate, repeating yhe insults and hate they here on tv

I kmow you wont answer gipper, you dont have a, "why", gipper does what gipper is told to do

Lol. I’m not the one believing establishment lies every ******* time. You are!

 

[there4eyeM]

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In this case the general use of Congress is a misnomer. The House of Congress passed a "Clean C.R." virtually the same that was passed 13 previous times.
The Senate minority that passed the previous Bills insisted on adding items to the C.R. that would cost the American tax-payer and weaken the ACA.

The "House of Congress"? Congress, in the sense of the Government of the U.S., it both chambers. And both refuse to do their jobs. Both are in submission to the principles of the duopoly. Both have betrayed their oaths, their country and whatever "soul" they may have had.

 

[elektra]

Lol. I’m not the one believing establishment lies every ******* time. You are!

You are full of shit. A simple question, asking you to explain what you believe and you cant tell us why.

You dont know, you just believe, dumb

 

[hadit]

Trump.

^ How to tell us you don't put any thought into an answer without telling us you don't put any thought into an answer.

 

[j-mac]

Poor, sick people who refuse to care for their health. All Washington has done is make a bigger mess out of it.

Democrats are responsible.

 

[gipper]

You are full of shit. A simple question, asking you to explain what you believe and you cant tell us why.

You dont know, you just believe, dumb

Lol. Do you know how long I’ve posted here? Review all prior posts now!!!!

 

[elektra]

Lol. Do you know how long I’ve posted here? Review all prior posts now!!!!

I asked you one simple question, I wanted to know why, I was interested. You gave me what i considered a rude reply.

Yes, I asked why, in this thread on one comment. I did not consider how long you been here when I asked you to engage over one comment

 

[gipper]

I asked you one simple question, I wanted to know why, I was interested. You gave me what i considered a rude reply.

Yes, I asked why, in this thread on one comment. I did not consider how long you been here when I asked you to engage over one comment

Sorry not interested in your silly games.

Stop trolling.

 

[Winston]

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Accordingly 2.8 million entered the U.S. under the Biden parole system. while more than 14.5 million totally entered during 2021 to 2025.
In either case that is too many illegals to be receiving free health care, when they are not contributing to the economy or paying taxes.

That is just pure fantasy. First, not 14.5 million. Even the Heritage Foundation isn't making that claim. Their number, 6.7 million. And no they are not receiving free health care. And yes, they are paying taxes.

In regards to the free health care, illegal immigrants are not entitled to Medicaid or Medicare although some states, like California, do allow the coverage of emergency medical care. But that is only to compensate hospitals for uncollected billings.

And in regards to taxes. Why yes, they pay taxes. They pay sales tax, they pay property tax, hell, in many cases, they pay both Social Security and Medicare taxes.

 

[Rawley]

I don't know why you morons keep rolling with that health care for illegals. One percent, one ******* PERCENT of Medicaid spending is spent on illegal aliens. Big damn whoop. You are delusional if you believe that is what Republicans are standing against.

Well, it's significant enough that your party is willing to close down the government over it.

 

[Winston]

Nope, one percent is too much. Again, libs hate this country and are now into the second month of holding it hostage. Libs want pain for the poor. Despicable.

That is just stupid. ONE ******* PERCENT.

Under section 9406 of the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986(P.L. 99-509), limited Medicaid coverage for emergency medical servicesis available for people who would qualify for full Medicaid benefits ifnot for their immigration status. Under that program, people can receive care for medical emergencies that require immediate attention to prevent serious harm, disability, or death; they may also qualify for emergency labor and delivery services.

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2024-10/Arrington_Letter_EmergencyMedicaid_Immigration_final.pdf

Look, this emergency Medicaid has been the LAW since Ronald Reagan was president. During Trump's first term over six billion dollars was spent on Medicaid benefits for illegal immigrants. Why was it not a problem then? I mean you want it to end, then end it and make preparations.

So, you show up in the emergency room. Let's say it is a heart attack. You need surgery or your ass is going to die. But first, you got to prove your citizenship. I guess we all need to start carrying our papers. But if you are not a citizen, or a legal immigrant, you get placed in the "dying room". No care for you, no water, no food. You just ******* DIE. Even better, the hospital just kills you and harvests your good organs. That is a win/win.

 

[Woodznutz]

Democrats are responsible.

Poor, sick, Democrats.

 

[j-mac]

Poor, sick, Democrats.

All except for the "Poor" part....They brought this on themselves for the past 40 years and more....