Who's destroying America's image???

[insein]

The first bolded portion: It wasn't even that. A bunch of prisoners got hazed by a small group of irresponsible drunks who spent a birthday party defying orders and military regulations in a prison that didn't even contain any terrorist, but was instead entirely populated by more "normal" crimes, like burglary and murder.

The second bolded portion: They've spent so much time trying to do nothing but defeat Bush that they forgot that there was such a thing as "policy."

Also add to the first part that they were PUNISHED by a military tribunal for what they did before anyone even knew what Abu Gharib was.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Eagle,
The Paris riots are actually quite different from what we are fighting. First the Paris riots are being led by students, not veteren leaders of terrorist organizations.

And who is leading the students? Get real. This amount of destruction was caused by more than a few student leaders.

Second, They are motivated by economic hardship and political exclusion, not ideology. True they are Muslims, but they are painting them selves as French muslims not islamist muslims. What is happening in France is the result of a broken social system. A system responsible for high unemployment coupled with institutionalized racism. Chirac has (wrongly) tried to hold on to that system, even spread it to the rest of europe.

Then evidently every "social system" in Europe is broken, since this type of activity is happening all over Europe in varying degrees. Europeans just can't get their act together, can they? (and I thought liberals said they were so "advanced" over us) Guess it's time for another big apology to the Muslims.

Are the student groups learning from the tactics of their fellow muslims engaged in islamist terror? probably. Is thier communication between the leaders of these groups, again, probably. Yet that does not mean that they are in cahoots or even working toward the same end. Quite the contrary. The protestors in Paris are protesting the failure of France's alternative to open captalism, the islamists are advocating the complete destruction of captalism. These two goals are obviously exclusive. The extent that these groups collude is likey to be limited to technical assistance.

So now you think these true believers of Islam, who you admit are pretty much following in the footsteps of Islamist terrorists, are now fighting FOR evil capitalism? Wow, the French really perverted these followers of Islam, didn't they? Are they no longer believers?

This is amazing Huggy,
You guys can pretty much justify anything you want and be appalled by almost nothing. Nearly 10,000 cars burned along with businesses, homes and dozens of schools and the liberal's lack of morality will justify it.

Couldn't rep you but this statement really says it all.

 

[Huckleburry]

Sitaro,
A nice bit of conservative hackery, you clearly claim some kind of intellectual superiority yet you have no original thought. Every one of you talking points has been clearly articulated and pounded on by conservative think tanks across America. Most of them were outlined in Dinesh D'souza's "Letters to a young Conservative" and that shit is at least four years old. You call me an idiot for arguing a nuanced position regarding French riots and then go on the same tired tirade. Don't you get it? Americans are tired of listening to you. That is what the elections told us. Not that Dems were staging a major comeback or that liberal philosophy is somehow superior. Those elections simply shouted loud and clear. Your argument is boring and riddled with holes, we have heard it a trillion times and it has not gotten any more interesting. Are you afraid to debate me on an issue? Or, is it that you have no original thoughts of your own so you stick to the party approved talking points, where other people have already done the grunt work for you. You think Bush is great and that all liberals are morons. Fantastic...we get it. But so far all you have done is tell me I'm an idiot and not shown me where I am wrong. In fact...I don't think you have even made an argument, just huffed and puffed like the Kennedy you supposedly despise.

Eagle,
Students don't need any help in causing a lot of damage. Remember the student riots on US campuses in the 60's, how about Tiananmen Square? Hell, if you doubt the destructive capability of students come out with a few frat boys and me on a Saturday night, and were not even angry. The destruction was caused by a massive amount of angry, hopeless young men, led by some very smart student leaders. Don't underestimate the ability of these folks to lead a group. After all, many of our military commanders are right out of college, and they successfully lead troops all over the globe.

Yes, the European model is broken. Look at Italy, Germany, and France. They are plagued by high unemployment and an increasingly expensive well fare state. I have never been a fan of the European economic model. They want to have their cake and eat it too. This is to say that they want the benefits of globalization (increased productivity) while not dealing with any of its downsides (100 workweeks). Europe has stated its goal of becoming the premier knowledge base economy in the world. A laughable statement considering they seem unwilling to work more than 35 hours a week.

What evidence do you have that these are true believers in Islam? Better, what is a true believer? According to the Bin Ladden camp these people are no more Muslim you or I. According to them, they are secular Muslims protesting a lack of job opportunities, and exclusion in France. They are not advocating the overthrow of the French system so that they can replace it with an Islamist state. That is a huge difference.
If we follow your logic... Al-Qaeda is following in the footsteps (using the tactics created by) of Carlos Marighella therefore, they are Brazilian. Come on Eagle don't confuse the means with the ends.

"You guys can pretty much justify anything you want and be appalled by almost nothing. Nearly 10,000 cars burned along with businesses, homes and dozens of schools and the liberal's lack of morality will justify it."

I am tougher than you sitarro, that's what lets me think things through. Bad shit happens everyday most of it far worse than the destruction of property. The Neo-Cons would have us fight every fight until we were flat ass broke. Some fights can't be won with bullets and brawn. Sometimes only brains will win a war, Paris is such a case. These rioters have a point. The French system does not deliver the goods. You can either kill all the rioters as you propose, or fix the system as I do. Of course, you being the brilliant conservative that you are would never stick up for the French....

 

[deaddude]

Who is destroying America's Image? Um anyone could put almost any major political figure or group here. I could say that bush is destroying America's image, and many people would agree. I could say that Clinton destroyed America's image and many people would agree. Ask your average Klansman and he will say that Lincoln destroyed America's image. It has become "(insert person with a political ideology opposed to mine) is destroying America's image."

 

[ThomasPaine]

Also, If you can't read don't worry. The wall street journal has pictures. You can see what people think of your party, all that from a republican publication.
Try as you might Johnny your just too slow.

And we shall see what occurs in the future as far as elections are concerned. Republicans are the majority party and will continue to be. Unless something catastophic occurs to the economy Republicans will be the majority party for the foreseeable future. The Democrats have no ideas, no agenda, and no vigor for anything save the same old tax and spend big government. When, and if, the Dems change that they MAY be trusted again by the majority. I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Huckleburry]

Thomas,
This group of Republicans are the biggest spenders in recent history, and that is after we ignore the war.

 

[Avatar4321]

Thomas,
This group of Republicans are the biggest spenders in recent history, and that is after we ignore the war.

I think you are alittle confused. Its the Democrats who have been ignoring the war on terror. It was Clinton who failed to respond to the first WTC attack. It was clinton who failed to respond to the embassy bombings. it was Clinton who failed to respond to the bombing of the Cole.

It wasn't till 911 that American woke up and realized these people are at war with us. And The Republicans have been dilligently fighting it. First in Aghanistan. Now in Iraq.

Despite that Democrats have continued to predicte gloom and doom. They have continued to undermine our war on terror. All they do is critisize but provide absolutely no ideas. Now they act like 911 never occured. and are trying to rewrite the reasons for going into Iraq.

The only way the Democrats can get into power is to convince the American people that the war on terror isn't worth fighting. They certainly aren't going to change their position to support it.

As for the spending, Republicans have started listening to the base and curb the spending. They are facing opposition from both sides of the isle by those who want their pork bills. What we need to do is pass a constitutional amendment for the line item veto.

 

[007]

Who's destroying America's image???

Moron's like chukleberry.



His responses in this thread have been play by play read backs out of his liberal response handbook. Nothing new, just the same old doom and gloom, psychobabble, blame the Republicans bullshit that we hear incessantly from the whacked out left. Absolutely VOID of anything worth while.

FACTS don't phase these people. COMMON SENSE doesn't phase these people. THE TRUTH doesn't phase these people. REASONING doesn't phase these people. Their brains seem to be hard wired to think only in terms of immorality, tell lies, no conscience, if it feels good do it, let someone else fight your wars for you, and then critizise them for it. Hypocrisy is their standard. They're shitty, rotten, low life, COWARDLY sons a bitches. They're your democratic party, and THEY are the ones DESTROYING America's image.

 

[Bonnie]

Huckleberry..The Paris riots are actually quite different from what we are fighting. First the Paris riots are being led by students, not veteren leaders of terrorist organizations. Second, They are motivated by economic hardship and political exclusion, not ideology. True they are Muslims, but they are painting them selves as French muslims not islamist muslims. What is happening in France is the result of a broken social system. A system responsible for high unemployment coupled with institutionalized racism. Chirac has (wrongly) tried to hold on to that system, even spread it to the rest of europe.

Actually the Paris riots are about muslims who moved into France and other European countries looking for the government to welcome them with open arms, feed them, but not have power to govern them. They want to live in other countries, occupy space, but play by their own rules........

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Sitaro,
Eagle,
Students don't need any help in causing a lot of damage. Remember the student riots on US campuses in the 60's, how about Tiananmen Square? Hell, if you doubt the destructive capability of students come out with a few frat boys and me on a Saturday night, and were not even angry. The destruction was caused by a massive amount of angry, hopeless young men, led by some very smart student leaders. Don't underestimate the ability of these folks to lead a group. After all, many of our military commanders are right out of college, and they successfully lead troops all over the globe.

Yes, the European model is broken. Look at Italy, Germany, and France. They are plagued by high unemployment and an increasingly expensive well fare state. I have never been a fan of the European economic model. They want to have their cake and eat it too. This is to say that they want the benefits of globalization (increased productivity) while not dealing with any of its downsides (100 workweeks). Europe has stated its goal of becoming the premier knowledge base economy in the world. A laughable statement considering they seem unwilling to work more than 35 hours a week.

What evidence do you have that these are true believers in Islam? Better, what is a true believer? According to the Bin Ladden camp these people are no more Muslim you or I. According to them, they are secular Muslims protesting a lack of job opportunities, and exclusion in France. They are not advocating the overthrow of the French system so that they can replace it with an Islamist state. That is a huge difference.
If we follow your logic... Al-Qaeda is following in the footsteps (using the tactics created by) of Carlos Marighella therefore, they are Brazilian. Come on Eagle don't confuse the means with the ends.

The French riots are now THREE WEEKS running and have pretty much spread over the entire country of France - not exactly just a student riot. You seem to agree with the liberal media that it is just the poor, unemployed youth that are rebelling against discrimination. I agree with you that economic unrest has fueled the riots, however, I disagree with your statement that they are not advocating overthrow of the French system to replace it with an Islamist state.

Why have the rioters been shouting the jihad battle cry “Allahu akbar”? Just like Mohammed Atta.
Why have rioters attacked French snyagogues, set French churches on fire?
Why is it some areas are controlled solely by Muslims where even police do not enter?
Why is it Muslims are not seeking assimilation into French society but instead they seek autonomy?
Why have Muslim weblogs indicated that riots were planned?

One wrote: “The cops are petrified of us, everything must burn, starting Monday, the operation ‘Midnight Sun’ starts, tell everyone else, rendezvous for Momo and Abdul in Zone 4 ... jihad Islamia Allah Akhbar.” Another added: “You don’t really think that we’re going to stop now? Are you stupid? It will continue, non-stop. We aren’t going to let up. The French won’t do anything and soon, we will be in the majority here.”

'May Allah send them victory,' is the slogan on tajdeed.net and alsaha.com, Islamist sites that the police claim have been used to coordinate the riots. The Algerian Islamist group GSPC (Groupe Salafiste pour la Predication et Combat) is claiming responsibility for the outbreaks after it called in August for French Muslims to 'join the struggle against the Algerian state and its French friends.'

Looks to me like jihad has begun for many in France. And you can bet that many more will be signing up.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10372
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/article_1062055.php/EU_aid_as_French_riots_slacken

 

[sitarro]

Hell, if you doubt the destructive capability of students come out with a few frat boys and me on a Saturday night, and were not even angry.

You're a frat boy? :rotflmao:

 

[007]

You're a frat boy? :rotflmao:

I thought that was painfully obvious, considering the colossal amount of bunk his head is full of. No doubt drilled in there by his liberal professors. You know sitarro... the "inclusive" ones...

 

[Huckleburry]

I am actually an independent because I started here as a Junior and missed the pledge process. Most of my best friends are though...

Eagle....I don't speak arabic or french so I have been unable to read any of the internal publications. I am waiting for the CIA/DOD to release some of the documents.

Finnally, y'all can bash me to your hearts content. However, you may want to examine the happenings of your party and work to fix it because there is high level corruption and general sleeze. In my opinion you need more Bloomberg's and fewer DeLay's.
Cheers Huck

 

[Avatar4321]

I am actually an independent because I started here as a Junior and missed the pledge process. Most of my best friends are though...

Eagle....I don't speak arabic or french so I have been unable to read any of the internal publications. I am waiting for the CIA/DOD to release some of the documents.

Finnally, y'all can bash me to your hearts content. However, you may want to examine the happenings of your party and work to fix it because there is high level corruption and general sleeze. In my opinion you need more Bloomberg's and fewer DeLay's.
Cheers Huck

Naturally you think that. Because Bloomberg is more favorable to your liberal viewpoint. But why exactly would we want more people who differ in idealogy?

 

[Bonnie]

Huckleberry...In my opinion you need more Bloomberg's and fewer DeLay's.
Cheers Huck

We'll be sure and take that under advisement :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 

[Huckleburry]

because diversity is the spice of life...at least that's what jesus told me.
Seriously though, Bloomberg runs the financial capital of the world. He has to contend with a very conservative, very wealthy constituentcy and also a very liberal and very wealthy consitutiency. He does this pretty well. NYC is a tough place to be a politician because it is so diverse. Bloomberg does a good job of it and is trusted by conservatives and liberals alike. A guy who can win the both the left and the right is an asset to any party.

 

[Bonnie]

because diversity is the spice of life...at least that's what jesus told me.
Seriously though, Bloomberg runs the financial capital of the world. He has to contend with a very conservative, very wealthy constituentcy and also a very liberal and very wealthy consitutiency. He does this pretty well. NYC is a tough place to be a politician because it is so diverse. Bloomberg does a good job of it and is trusted by conservatives and liberals alike. A guy who can win the both the left and the right is an asset to any party.

The reason Bloomberg won in NY is because he is a liberal that just happens to have an R next to his name...When he initially became mayor his first term his approval ratings were in the dumper.....that is until he raised taxes on everything he could think of, then the newspapers LOVED him... He did little spending cuts here and there but nothing substantial. I expected more from him considering his vast experience in the corporate world, and thought he would run NY like a corporation which is what's needed. He has been okay regarding crime but really that is just a continuation of Guiliani's efforts. Basically he's a liberal Democrat with a few moderate ideas.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Eagle....I don't speak arabic or french so I have been unable to read any of the internal publications. I am waiting for the CIA/DOD to release some of the documents.

You don't need to read the referenced Arabic sites, there is plenty info written in the English-written reports. Oh, I get it. You just want to IGNORE all the implicating data you don't want to hear. This is your nifty way of escaping the facts I just presented to you because you don't want to face THE TRUTH.

Go back to your frat parties.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

Peronally, it seems to me that the mayhem in France is not necessarily a symptom of Islam. It is however, a classic textbook case of a series of socialist government policies acting as a breeding ground for criminal malcontents. Let's see what big government has done in France:

* Packed unemployed people together like cattle in warehouses, isolated from general society;
* Paid them not to work
* Passed minimum wage laws, employment laws, labor laws, etc. which are real job-killers for entry-level work

In america, our muslim communities don't seem to suffer from this sort of rubbish. But our inner-city communities do have the exact same symptoms as France (high-crime ghettos, unemployed rioting assholes after the Rodney King verdict, etc) That's because our inner cities are infected with a paternalistic socialist government, just like France's.

In my opinion you need more Ron Paul's and fewer DeLay's.
Cheers Huck

That's more like it.