Who's destroying America's image???

[Bonnie]

Democrat honchos, while forever complaining that President Bush has hurt America's image in the world, have themselves been engaged in a systematic campaign to slander President Bush, particularly over foreign policy, consequently undermining America's image in the world. Indeed, if you wanted to discredit America in the eyes of other nations, how would you go about doing it? Would you:

Constantly wring your hands over our alleged torture of terrorist detainees, likening certain mildly tough and infrequently implemented interrogation techniques to the worst kinds of torture practiced in history?

Falsely accuse high administration officials of virtually authorizing certain renegade military personnel of employing clearly unapproved interrogation methods?


Unconscionably accuse the Bush administration of lying about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction to deceive the public into support for the war? (Sorry for repeating this one, but its egregiousness requires that it be on every list, no matter how often.)

Ludicrously accuse the Bush administration of attacking Iraq for the purpose of exploiting Middle Eastern oil?

Lambaste the administration for "unilaterally" attacking Iraq, though, in fact, many other nations were on board and we earnestly tried to recruit others, including those whose intelligence agencies agreed that Saddam had WMD stockpiles -- not to mention that some of them had been bought off by Saddam?

Downplay any good news coming out of Iraq, especially concerning the Iraqi people's steady march toward constitutional autonomy?

Also downplay just how brutal Saddam's regime was and sometimes even imply Iraq is worse off now than under Saddam?

Portray the terrorist anarchists sabotaging the Iraqis' drive for freedom as insurgents, freedom fighters or revolutionaries: those with different, yet morally equivalent ideas on Iraq's governance?

Promote the convenient canard that our preemptively motivated military action against Iraq has caused otherwise peacefully inclined Islamic radicals to hate us? (France, anyone?)

Speciously argue the Wilson/Plame debacle besmirches the entire administration even though the very Scooter Libby indictment you cite as validation for your charge is a precise refutation of it?

Cite that same Libby indictment, which is bereft of evidence implicating anyone in the administration of violating any crimes pertaining to national security, as a compelling reason for President Bush to "clean house"?

Depict the United States as the singular demon on the world stage for refusing to sign on to the Kyoto Protocol even though its essential premises are highly suspect and it could wreck our economy and severely compromise our sovereignty?

Suggest, directly or directly, that the United States is responsible for "widespread" feelings of ill will around the globe against it?

With respect to this last point I refer you to a recent episode of "Hannity and Colmes" involving anti-American protests in Argentina accompanying the president's recent visit there for the Summit of the Americas. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez egged on the protestors by denouncing President Bush as "Mr. Danger," and the United States as "the evil empire."

Guest Susan Estrich, anticipating that guest Ann Coulter might partially blame American liberals for the protest, said, "I don't know a single soul who's protesting down there. I don't think … that we (liberals) are responsible for them. You can't blame us for what's going on down there."

Then, amazingly, Estrich turned right around and said, "I do think that one of the issues they're protesting about is the War in Iraq, and I do think the president is vulnerable, obviously, because Karl Rove is still under investigation. He's refusing to comment about that. He's refusing to say anything about the fact that Scooter Libby is pleading in court now … And, you know the more we hear the more it becomes clear that we were lied to about the basis for this war, and at some point there's going to have to be some reckoning here, and I think we would be in a stronger position if the president would be more forthcoming on that."

In other words, Susan, perhaps the violent protests in Argentina against us are our "reckoning" for President Bush's "lies" to get us into war and refusal to be forthcoming?

If this weren't such a familiar routine it would be jaw-dropping. Liberals have become so used to defaming President Bush, it apparently doesn't occur to them that they are doing much more to harm America's image than President Bush.

How can we possibly expect other nations -- even our allies (who one would reasonably assume not to be as loyal as our own opposition party) -- to hold us in high esteem while that opposition party daily proclaims that our president is an uncompassionate, dishonest, Machiavellian, imperialist, racist, oil-thieving, unilateralist, sadistic, torturing cowboy hell-bent on alienating peaceful Muslims the world over?

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/davidlimbaugh/2005/11/11/175179.html


Do any of these people realize in their unquenchable desire for power that they are ruining any chance of defeating terrorism?????????? Do they care??

 

[Huckleburry]

Bonnie dissent is part of American democracy. In addition, Bush is not doing particularly good job. Nor is his party particularly clean. If the conservatives are wondering who is hurting America's image they need only look in the mirror, and stop blaming the liberals for all their woes. After all, liberals did not encourage Tom DeLay to launder money. Or President Bush to appoint Brown head of FEMA. Nor did we encourage Scooter to give away national secrets. No, America's tarnished image is not the liberal’s fault. The potent proof of this is the history of only the last decade and a half. Under the liberal Clinton, the world looked quite favorably on the United States. Under the conservative Bush, they do not. Do not blame the critics for the Republican's inability to govern well; after all, it is the man in the wring that has to fight the fight, not the commentator. If the fighter looses he has only himself to blame. The American people gave the Republicans a blank check, control of both houses and the executive. They blew it. Using the opportunity to give fat handouts to their friends and constituents and complete ignored the people who put them in power. Blaming the critics for America's tarnished image is tawdry and cheap. The republicans made their own bed now we are demanding they sleep in it.
Huck

 

[Avatar4321]

Bonnie dissent is part of American democracy. In addition, Bush is not doing particularly good job. Nor is his party particularly clean. If the conservatives are wondering who is hurting America's image they need only look in the mirror, and stop blaming the liberals for all their woes. After all, liberals did not encourage Tom DeLay to launder money. Or President Bush to appoint Brown head of FEMA. Nor did we encourage Scooter to give away national secrets. No, America's tarnished image is not the liberal’s fault. The potent proof of this is the history of only the last decade and a half. Under the liberal Clinton, the world looked quite favorably on the United States. Under the conservative Bush, they do not. Do not blame the critics for the Republican's inability to govern well; after all, it is the man in the wring that has to fight the fight, not the commentator. If the fighter looses he has only himself to blame. The American people gave the Republicans a blank check, control of both houses and the executive. They blew it. Using the opportunity to give fat handouts to their friends and constituents and complete ignored the people who put them in power. Blaming the critics for America's tarnished image is tawdry and cheap. The republicans made their own bed now we are demanding they sleep in it.
Huck

First, Tom Delay didn't launder money. How can you launder money it was perfectly legal to do what Tom did until Congress passed the law a year later? Besides, who on earth other than those who pay attention to politics even know who Tom Delay is? How can someone unknown to most of the world tarnish America?

I have no disagreement that the Republicans need to start doing what they promised to do. Now are the Democrats going to stop opposing them? The people voted in Republicans to reform Social security, fight terrorism, Strengthen the military and intelligence communities, to cut taxes, to reform government. How about Democrats start agreeing with what the American people want and stop opposing our agenda?

 

[Bonnie]

Huckleberry..After all, liberals did not encourage Tom DeLay to launder money.

I wasn't aware he was tried and found guilty, when did this happen???? So then Nancy Pelosi and all other liberals in Govt should be charged witht he same thing then huh??

Huckleberry..Nor did we encourage Scooter to give away national secrets.

I wasn't aware that Libby was found guilty of anything here? Did I miss the trial??? He misspoke to a reporter about a woman who was already outed and sitting at a desk?? Actually the trial WILL be about Libby allegedly lying about what he said, there has been no proof of any outing of anykind.


And we are not talking about Bush's mistakes here, the article speaks about power hungry Democrats and liberals in the media recklessly undermining our efforts in fighting terror at the peril of America's citizens.

Explain to me what is going on in terrorists heads when they read our newspapers that bash Bush and his efforts to defeat them, and how the Democrats do NOTHING but obstruct and DEFLECT and do everything just shy of siding in with them????????? Tell me please how that doesn't embolden them???????????????? Did you actually read the article ???

 

[Gunny]

I wasn't aware he was tried and found guilty, when did this happen???? So then Nancy Pelosi and all other liberals in Govt should be charged witht he same thing then huh??

I wasn't aware that Libby was found guilty of anything here? Did I miss the trial??? He misspoke to a reporter about a woman who was already outed and sitting at a desk?? Actually the trial WILL be about Libby allegedly lying about what he said, there has been no proof of any outing of anykind.


And we are not talking about Bush's mistakes here, the article speaks about power hungry Democrats and liberals in the media recklessly undermining our efforts in fighting terror at the peril of America's citizens.

Explain to me what is going on in terrorists heads when they read our newspapers that bash Bush and his efforts to defeat them, and how the Democrats do NOTHING but obstruct and DEFLECT and do everything just shy of siding in with them????????? Tell me please how that doesn't embolden them???????????????? Did you actually read the article ???

Huckleburry is just the hard evidence that substantiates your initial post.

 

[007]

No, America's tarnished image is not the liberal’s fault. The potent proof of this is the history of only the last decade and a half. Under the liberal Clinton, the world looked quite favorably on the United States.

You have absolutely NO IDEA what the hell you're talking about. Whoever you've been listening to, they've been filling your head with MUSH!!

FORMER President Clinton.

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Your idle, former "impeached" President Clinton, turned America into the laughing stock of the world during his presideny. He's the worst president this country has EVER had.

 

[Huckleburry]

The grand majority that you all eluded to no longer exists. Republicans were defeated in New Jersey and Virgina. Then the republican backed referendum in Califonia was defeated. If that is not enough to convince you I suggest picking up last friday's WSJ where the most recent poll shows that American's no longer "prefer republicans to democrats on handling tax cuts, cutting government spending, dealing with immigration or directing foreign policy". You guys are increadible...the top leadership of your party is plagued by scandal and you blame its innefectiveness of liberals. Your eagerness to find a scape goat drastically overestimates the potence of the left.
Cheers.
Huck
PS. As morally loose as the former president was he did preside over the longest and most robust period of economic growth the world has ever seen. He also championed free trade and saw the greatest steps toward liberlazation.

 

[Annie]

The grand majority that you all eluded to no longer exists. Republicans were defeated in New Jersey and Virgina. Then the republican backed referendum in Califonia was defeated. If that is not enough to convince you I suggest picking up last friday's WSJ where the most recent poll shows that American's no longer "prefer republicans to democrats on handling tax cuts, cutting government spending, dealing with immigration or directing foreign policy". You guys are increadible...the top leadership of your party is plagued by scandal and you blame its innefectiveness of liberals. Your eagerness to find a scape goat drastically overestimates the potence of the left.
Cheers.
Huck
PS. As morally loose as the former president was he did preside over the longest and most robust period of economic growth the world has ever seen. He also championed free trade and saw the greatest steps toward liberlazation.

Ok, we'll all "lay down and die" that the dems kept their seats and CA went liberal. Yeah, it's all over.

 

[007]

The grand majority that you all eluded to no longer exists. Republicans were defeated in New Jersey and Virgina. Then the republican backed referendum in Califonia was defeated. If that is not enough to convince you I suggest picking up last friday's WSJ where the most recent poll shows that American's no longer "prefer republicans to democrats on handling tax cuts, cutting government spending, dealing with immigration or directing foreign policy". You guys are increadible...the top leadership of your party is plagued by scandal and you blame its innefectiveness of liberals. Your eagerness to find a scape goat drastically overestimates the potence of the left.
Cheers.
Huck
PS. As morally loose as the former president was he did preside over the longest and most robust period of economic growth the world has ever seen. He also championed free trade and saw the greatest steps toward liberlazation.

What page of your "liberal response book" did you dig that crap up from?

The Republicans are, and will REMAIN the majority. What people are "tired" of, is the whinning and crying, and "no new ideas" from the liberals. Liberals preach doom and gloom. Bad news for America is good news to them. Good news for America is bad news for them.

If the liberals were allowed to reign supreme over America uninhibited, there wouldn't BE an America. They ruin much of what they touch, and morons like you believe all their lies.

I'll bet you even believe everything that fatass, lying, pile of dog shit mickey moore says.

 

[Huckleburry]

Pale Rider,
If you think the Wall Street Journal is a liberal mouthpiece then it you not me who needs to revaluate their position. The Republicans are not the majority any longer. It is on the first page of last thursday's journal, the Dems have a 11 point lead. Really, think before you write. The rest of the world views the United States as a bunch of boorish brutes. Not a bunch of whining pussies. Your response validates such their view. If you want to know why we are loosing the war on terror you may want to take a look at two botched millitary campaigns. How on earth did liberal opposition cause their failure?

 

[sitarro]

Pale Rider,
If you think the Wall Street Journal is a liberal mouthpiece then it you not me who needs to revaluate their position. The Republicans are not the majority any longer. It is on the first page of last thursday's journal, the Dems have a 11 point lead. Really, think before you write. The rest of the world views the United States as a bunch of boorish brutes. Not a bunch of whining pussies. Your response validates such their view. If you want to know why we are loosing the war on terror you may want to take a look at two botched millitary campaigns. How on earth did liberal opposition cause their failure?

Typical asswipe dimocrat bullshit, repeat the lies long enough and the idiots of the world might start believing you. Teddy has told himself that he isn't a drunk long enough that he now believes it.

President Bush has a lower unemployment rate than Clintons time in office and at the same time countries with his biggest critics are suffering with rates above 10% (unemployment), he cut taxes which helped spur a 4 percent economic growth rate after Clinton left him with serious economic problems, he kicked the Taliban's ass out of Afghanistan, destroyed Saddam's brutal dictatorship and helped the people of those countries vote in their first free elections ever, he has appointed more qualified minorities and women to higher offices than Clinton, restored the military to a lean mean fighting machine (after Clinton almost destroyed it) while also bringing back respect for those that serve, has revealed the people around the world that want our country to fail, exposed the crooks at the U.N. and challenged the world to fight terrorism. He did this while being disrespected and ridiculed by a huge group of bitter, childish losers that have fought his every move for the sake of trying to win back the power that the American voters successfully took away from them. He also did all of this while dealing with the biggest attack against this country since WW2 by Islamic murderers and some of the worst natural disasters ever here and around the world.

Al Gore and John Kerry would have been disasterous for our country but we would have been loved by the haters of the world. I'll take President Bush and the problems I have with him which are few.

Have you ever asked yourself why the absolute lowest forms of life in this country support the Dimocrats? They appeal to felons, unrealistic environmental dumbasses, trial lawyers, dealers, the loose asshole crowd, the homeless, those on welfare, union members(mobsters), pedophiles, perverts, socialists, manwomen, American commies, overpaid guiltridden readers of creative people's lines(actors), New Orleans, anyone that has their handout, rapists, losers, abstract self-labeled artist, addicts, basketball players, losers, mindless followers of celebrities, immature college students, tenured professors that can't succeed in the real world at what they attempt to teach, pretend intellectuals, bad musicians, rap dorks, illegal aliens, other countries that want to see the U.S. destroyed and basically anyone that can't succeed on their own and needs to steal from others that can.. . . . maybe they are the majority.

I guess Huck, you need to figure out which of these describe yourself.

Now be a good dimocrat and copy what I have done for a silly little attempt at a rebutle.

You're not my Huckleberry.

 

[Huckleburry]

Typical asswipe dimocrat bullshit, repeat the lies long enough and the idiots of the world might start believing you. Teddy has told himself that he isn't a drunk long enough that he now believes it.

President Bush has a lower unemployment rate than Clintons time in office and at the same time countries with his biggest critics are suffering with rates above 10% (unemployment), he cut taxes which helped spur a 4 percent economic growth rate after Clinton left him with serious economic problems, he kicked the Taliban's ass out of Afghanistan, destroyed Saddam's brutal dictatorship and helped the people of those countries vote in their first free elections ever, he has appointed more qualified minorities and women to higher offices than Clinton, restored the military to a lean mean fighting machine (after Clinton almost destroyed it) while also bringing back respect for those that serve, has revealed the people around the world that want our country to fail, exposed the crooks at the U.N. and challenged the world to fight terrorism. He did this while being disrespected and ridiculed by a huge group of bitter, childish losers that have fought his every move for the sake of trying to win back the power that the American voters successfully took away from them. He also did all of this while dealing with the biggest attack against this country since WW2 by Islamic murderers and some of the worst natural disasters ever here and around the world.

Al Gore and John Kerry would have been disasterous for our country but we would have been loved by the haters of the world. I'll take President Bush and the problems I have with him which are few.

Have you ever asked yourself why the absolute lowest forms of life in this country support the Dimocrats? They appeal to felons, unrealistic environmental dumbasses, trial lawyers, dealers, the loose asshole crowd, the homeless, those on welfare, union members(mobsters), pedophiles, perverts, socialists, manwomen, American commies, overpaid guiltridden readers of creative people's lines(actors), New Orleans, anyone that has their handout, rapists, losers, abstract self-labeled artist, addicts, basketball players, losers, mindless followers of celebrities, immature college students, tenured professors that can't succeed in the real world at what they attempt to teach, pretend intellectuals, bad musicians, rap dorks, illegal aliens, other countries that want to see the U.S. destroyed and basically anyone that can't succeed on their own and needs to steal from others that can.. . . . maybe they are the majority.

I guess Huck, you need to figure out which of these describe yourself.

Now be a good dimocrat and copy what I have done for a silly little attempt at a rebutle.

You're not my Huckleberry.

You just proved the point I was trying to make. In nice short sentences too.

 

[Huckleburry]

Also, If you can't read don't worry. The wall street journal has pictures. You can see what people think of your party, all that from a republican publication.
Try as you might Johnny your just too slow.

 

[sitarro]

You just proved the point I was trying to make. In nice short sentences too.

Hahaha Chuckleburry,
Let me guess. . . you are trying to say that I'm a boorish brute, right? I guess that logically, that would make you a whinny pussy. Very good, I agree.

I almost give a crap what the pathetic psuedo-intellectual do-nothings of the world have to say about the U.S. while drinking swill and eating snails at gay dinner parties. Now being a whinny pussy I guess you do worry what other whinny pussies have to say, that is your problem, go pay a fake doctor to let you lay on her couch and cry about your childhood, maybe you can get a Prozac script.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Also, If you can't read don't worry. The wall street journal has pictures. You can see what people think of your party, all that from a republican publication.
Try as you might Johnny your just too slow.

Do you believe everything you read? Even the WSJ is not immune to liberal bias regarding editorials. You do know that the press molds peoples' minds by what they put in the papers as well as by what they LEAVE OUT of the papers?

Are you aware of the Muslim revolt going on in France? France is under attack. Paris has been burning. What do you think of Chirac? Or do you need the papers to tell you what to think?

I compare Bush to Chirac (the great liberal/socialist leader of Europe) and there is no comparison. Although the papers won't tell you, what has been happening in France is exactly a part of the same war that we have been fighting in Iraq. Looks like France is being hit pretty hard. However, no one has been attacking the U.S. for 4 years now. We have kept our frontlines in Iraq and we have been winning. I'd say Chirac is losing and Bush is winning. I think a lot of people in America would agree, despite what the papers say.

I agree Republicans are handling domestic things badly. A lot of disgruntled conservatives are probably causing some of the Democrat wins. However, don't get too excited. The war is the deciding issue. Unless Americans are convinced that leaders like Chirac (gag) are better than leaders like Bush, the Republican party will continue to win.

 

[insein]

The grand majority that you all eluded to no longer exists. Republicans were defeated in New Jersey and Virgina. Then the republican backed referendum in Califonia was defeated. If that is not enough to convince you I suggest picking up last friday's WSJ where the most recent poll shows that American's no longer "prefer republicans to democrats on handling tax cuts, cutting government spending, dealing with immigration or directing foreign policy". You guys are increadible...the top leadership of your party is plagued by scandal and you blame its innefectiveness of liberals. Your eagerness to find a scape goat drastically overestimates the potence of the left.
Cheers.
Huck
PS. As morally loose as the former president was he did preside over the longest and most robust period of economic growth the world has ever seen. He also championed free trade and saw the greatest steps toward liberlazation.

Its been stated but what is so great about 2 Democratic Governships staying democrat and 4 conservative referendums in the Golden Liberal Oasis getting shot down? If anything, i'd be worried that the races were as close as they were for Dems. If they have to spend all the money they did just to HOLD seats positions, how are they going to change red state minds?

 

[Huckleburry]

Eagle,
The Paris riots are actually quite different from what we are fighting. First the Paris riots are being led by students, not veteren leaders of terrorist organizations. Second, They are motivated by economic hardship and political exclusion, not ideology. True they are Muslims, but they are painting them selves as French muslims not islamist muslims. What is happening in France is the result of a broken social system. A system responsible for high unemployment coupled with institutionalized racism. Chirac has (wrongly) tried to hold on to that system, even spread it to the rest of europe.
Are the student groups learning from the tactics of their fellow muslims engaged in islamist terror? probably. Is thier communication between the leaders of these groups, again, probably. Yet that does not mean that they are in cahoots or even working toward the same end. Quite the contrary. The protestors in Paris are protesting the failure of France's alternative to open captalism, the islamists are advocating the complete destruction of captalism. These two goals are obviously exclusive. The extent that these groups collude is likey to be limited to technical assistance.

As too believing everything I read. Of course I don't. Yet some sources are far more reliable than others. The WSJ is about as reliable as main stream media gets, and considering that global markets react to what is printed on its pages, it is probably wise to take the paper seriously...at least if you are trying to go into I banking which I am. Is it perfect? No. Is it always right? no
Is it the best thing availible? for a daily, I would say yes.

 

[insein]

Eagle,
The Paris riots are actually quite different from what we are fighting. First the Paris riots are being led by students, not veteren leaders of terrorist organizations. Second, They are motivated by economic hardship and political exclusion, not ideology. True they are Muslims, but they are painting them selves as French muslims not islamist muslims. What is happening in France is the result of a broken social system. A system responsible for high unemployment coupled with institutionalized racism. Chirac has (wrongly) tried to hold on to that system, even spread it to the rest of europe.
Are the student groups learning from the tactics of their fellow muslims engaged in islamist terror? probably. Is thier communication between the leaders of these groups, again, probably. Yet that does not mean that they are in cahoots or even working toward the same end. Quite the contrary. The protestors in Paris are protesting the failure of France's alternative to open captalism, the islamists are advocating the complete destruction of captalism. These two goals are obviously exclusive. The extent that these groups collude is likey to be limited to technical assistance.

As too believing everything I read. Of course I don't. Yet some sources are far more reliable than others. The WSJ is about as reliable as main stream media gets, and considering that global markets react to what is printed on its pages, it is probably wise to take the paper seriously...at least if you are trying to go into I banking which I am. Is it perfect? No. Is it always right? no
Is it the best thing availible? for a daily, I would say yes.

So they protest by destroying private property of other muslims who happend to purchase their own cars and houses? Yea they really showed France whose boss. This was simply an attempt to inflict fear into those around them. Whether it be their fellow muslims or the French government, they achieved their goal of "terrorizing" the populace of France into taking notice to their cause.

Why do you think Palestinians keep killing Israelis? They want their cause to be achieved. The only way they know how to do this is to terrorize the opposition into giving in.

Thats the goal of terrorism. They use fear to achieve their goals. The islamo facists may want a loftier goal of world domination by islam, but the muslims in france used the same means to their ends.

 

[sitarro]

Eagle,
The Paris riots are actually quite different from what we are fighting. First the Paris riots are being led by students, not veteren leaders of terrorist organizations. Second, They are motivated by economic hardship and political exclusion, not ideology. True they are Muslims, but they are painting them selves as French muslims not islamist muslims. What is happening in France is the result of a broken social system. A system responsible for high unemployment coupled with institutionalized racism. Chirac has (wrongly) tried to hold on to that system, even spread it to the rest of europe.
Are the student groups learning from the tactics of their fellow muslims engaged in islamist terror? probably. Is thier communication between the leaders of these groups, again, probably. Yet that does not mean that they are in cahoots or even working toward the same end. Quite the contrary. The protestors in Paris are protesting the failure of France's alternative to open captalism, the islamists are advocating the complete destruction of captalism. These two goals are obviously exclusive. The extent that these groups collude is likey to be limited to technical assistance.

As too believing everything I read. Of course I don't. Yet some sources are far more reliable than others. The WSJ is about as reliable as main stream media gets, and considering that global markets react to what is printed on its pages, it is probably wise to take the paper seriously...at least if you are trying to go into I banking which I am. Is it perfect? No. Is it always right? no
Is it the best thing availible? for a daily, I would say yes.

This is amazing Huggy,
You guys can pretty much justify anything you want and be appalled by almost nothing. Nearly 10,000 cars burned along with businesses, homes and dozens of schools and the liberal's lack of morality will justify it. A few prisoners in Iraq are hazed like in a fraternity to get information that may save lives and we see crying and outrage from the left.

Saddam sets 700 oilfields on fire that spew raw oil and burn for nine months, he drains the southern Iraq marshes destroying the way of life for the Marsh Arabs that have lived there for centuries and mass murders 100s of thousands innocent men, women and children and you look the other way. Clinton acts like a pervert in the oval office and you think he's cute but President Bush frees millions of Afghanis and Iraqis and brings free elections to both countries and he is called worse than Hitler. . . I think liberal value systems are just a wee bit screwed up.

People that stand up for the lives of millions of unborn babies butchered every year in this country, even with the rediculous amount of birth control devices in 2005, are religious fanatics. But islamics that strap belts full of explosives , ball-bearings and screws then blow themselves up along with innocent women and children in the name of Allah are freedom fighters. Ted Kennedy, who drowns a woman and is drunk every day on the Senate floor is a great statesman, but George Bush is ridiculed because of the way he pronounces nuclear. Hillary Clinton stays with her husband after he shits on her in front of the world and you call her a strong and intelligent woman and yet a black man that fights for equality as a Republican has Oreo cookies thrown at him and called an Uncle Tom by Democrats. . . . .

What the fuck is wrong with you idiots?

 

[Hobbit]

This is amazing Huggy,
You guys can pretty much justify anything you want and be appalled by almost nothing. Nearly 10,000 cars burned along with businesses, homes and dozens of schools and the liberal's lack of morality will justify it. A few prisoners in Iraq are hazed like in a fraternity to get information that may save lives and we see crying and outrage from the left.

Saddam sets 700 oilfields on fire that spew raw oil and burn for nine months, he drains the southern Iraq marshes destroying the way of life for the Marsh Arabs that have lived there for centuries and mass murders 100s of thousands innocent men, women and children and you look the other way. Clinton acts like a pervert in the oval office and you think he's cute but President Bush frees millions of Afghanis and Iraqis and brings free elections to both countries and he is called worse than Hitler. . . I think liberal value systems are just a wee bit screwed up.

People that stand up for the lives of millions of unborn babies butchered every year in this country, even with the rediculous amount of birth control devices in 2005, are religious fanatics. But islamics that strap belts full of explosives , ball-bearings and screws then blow themselves up along with innocent women and children in the name of Allah are freedom fighters. Ted Kennedy, who drowns a woman and is drunk every day on the Senate floor is a great statesman, but George Bush is ridiculed because of the way he pronounces nuclear. Hillary Clinton stays with her husband after he shits on her in front of the world and you call her a strong and intelligent woman and yet a black man that fights for equality as a Republican has Oreo cookies thrown at him and called an Uncle Tom by Democrats. . . . .

What the fuck is wrong with you idiots?

The first bolded portion: It wasn't even that. A bunch of prisoners got hazed by a small group of irresponsible drunks who spent a birthday party defying orders and military regulations in a prison that didn't even contain any terrorist, but was instead entirely populated by more "normal" crimes, like burglary and murder.

The second bolded portion: They've spent so much time trying to do nothing but defeat Bush that they forgot that there was such a thing as "policy."