Whoops! CIA Man Retracts Claim on Waterboarding

[Wicked Jester]

O.K. Ollie you "TOUGH GUY" Here's a little scenario for you,


You have captured a terrorist who has planted a NUCLEAR bomb in the middle of L.A. You know for an ABSOLUTE FACT that he planted it! Would you put his 18 month old son in a vat of boiling oil!!!??? Would you RAPE his 9 y/o daughter if front of him? Would you cut off his wife's TITS and wrap them on his head like ear muffs?


TELL ME OLLIE IS THERE NO FORM DISGUSTING TORTURE THAT WOULD BE OFF LIMITS FOR YOU!!!???

Nope! Waterboading would suffice. And guess what Cold buddy, it's not torture!

We'll leave the methods you mentioned to the terrorists. The same terrorists who would just as well saw your head off as they would mine, Ollie's, and any other american citizen they can get their hands on.

We're not dealing with common criminals like the crips and bloods. We're dealing with an enemy at war. A war that was declared by said enemy. An enemy that makes the crips and bloods look like choir boys.

 

[CMike]

What orders?

The CIA told the intelligence committee that they were going to destroy the tapes because of the security risk.

A democrat congressman disagreed. There were no orders.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

So Ollie I guess that ANY gov't agency like the F.B.I., C.I.A., N.S.A., D.E.A.or F.U.C.K the U.S.A. NEVER has to answer to the ELECTED GOVERNMENT RIGHT!!!???

 

[Cold Fusion38]

So W.J. you would let L.A. go up in a NUCLEAR BLAST to save a TERRORISTS little BASTARD SON? HMMM doesn't really jive with all the OTHER talk about avoiding another 9/11. Shouldn't the ends ALWAYS justify the MEANS?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

CIA Destroyed Tapes Despite Court Order
Source: AP

CIA Destroyed Tapes Despite Court Order
By MATT APUZZO – 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Bush administration was under court order not to discard evidence of detainee torture and abuse months before the CIA destroyed videotapes that revealed some of its harshest interrogation tactics.

Normally, that would force the government to defend itself against obstruction allegations. But the CIA may have an out: its clandestine network of overseas prisons.

While judges focused on the detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and tried to guarantee that any evidence of detainee abuse would be preserved, the CIA was performing its toughest questioning half a world away. And by the time President Bush publicly acknowledged the secret prison system, interrogation videotapes of two terrorism suspects had been destroyed.

The CIA destroyed the tapes in November 2005. That June, U.S. District Judge Henry H. Kennedy Jr. had ordered the Bush administration to safeguard "all evidence and information regarding the torture, mistreatment, and abuse of detainees now at the United States Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay."

YES!!!!!!! The CIA was ORDERED NOT to destroy the tapes!

 

[Cold Fusion38]

"The public has a right to this information and the CIA must be held accountable for its flagrant disregard for the rule of law," Singh added.

In a release, the civil liberties group noted "the CIA had previously said it would only turn over documents from August 2002 that relate to the content of the videotapes. But U.S. District Court Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein of the Southern District of New York today ordered the CIA to produce records from April through December 2002 that relate to the content of the tapes, as well as documents from April 2002 through June 2003 that related to the destruction of the tapes and information about the persons and reasons behind their destruction."

"Judge Hellerstein also ordered the government to reconsider the extent of redactions it intends to make to the documents in light of last week's release, also as part of the ACLU's FOIA litigation, of four secret memos used by the Bush administration to justify torture," the release adds. "In addition, the court ordered the government to explain whether contempt proceedings would interfere with a federal criminal investigation into the destruction of the tapes led by prosecutor John Durham."

 

[Wicked Jester]

So W.J. you would let L.A. go up in a NUCLEAR BLAST to save a TERRORISTS little BASTARD SON? HMMM doesn't really jive with all the OTHER talk about avoiding another 9/11. Shouldn't the ends ALWAYS justify the MEANS?

Did I say that?.....NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I said waterboard the fucker. After all, it's not torture and has been proven to work. Just ask KSM.

Or hell, if you want to actually torture, but also do it in a "legal" way, just put the fucker in a room with Michelle Obama and force the fucker to stare at that hairlipped mutt of a first lady while she's naked. That would cause ANY scumbag terrorist to give up the goods!

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Golly Ollie not such a "TOUGH GUY" after all huh?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

So W.J. you would let L.A. go up in a NUCLEAR BLAST to save a TERRORISTS little BASTARD SON? HMMM doesn't really jive with all the OTHER talk about avoiding another 9/11. Shouldn't the ends ALWAYS justify the MEANS?

Did I say that?.....NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I said waterboard the fucker. After all, it's not torture and has been proven to work. Just ask KSM.

Or hell, if you want to actually torture, but also do it in a "legal" way, just put the fucker in a room with Michelle Obama and force the fucker to stare at that hairlipped mutt of a first lady while she's naked. That would cause ANY scumbag terrorist to give up the goods!

The tock is TICKING WJ. You have ONE HOUR!!!!

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Oh did I mention the terrorist has SEVERE radiation poisoning so he will be dead in a little OVER and hour but the bomb will go off in just UNDER an hour. He doesn't really care if you water board him because he KNOWS he is ALREADY DEAD! He is just holding on long enough to know that the USA has just lost 6-12 MILLION LIVES!!!

 

[Wicked Jester]

So W.J. you would let L.A. go up in a NUCLEAR BLAST to save a TERRORISTS little BASTARD SON? HMMM doesn't really jive with all the OTHER talk about avoiding another 9/11. Shouldn't the ends ALWAYS justify the MEANS?

Did I say that?.....NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I said waterboard the fucker. After all, it's not torture and has been proven to work. Just ask KSM.

Or hell, if you want to actually torture, but also do it in a "legal" way, just put the fucker in a room with Michelle Obama and force the fucker to stare at that hairlipped mutt of a first lady while she's naked. That would cause ANY scumbag terrorist to give up the goods!

The tock is TICKING WJ. You have ONE HOUR!!!!

Oh shit!.....I'd better get that hairlipped first lady over here!

 

[rightwinger]

Gee the CIA are a bunch of liars and America is the most terrible country on earth because we used some water to save countless thousands of American lives.

Fuck you and your Un American Bullshit. It's so damned important for you that we are so evil, why don't you find a country that is nice and soft and gentle and move there. We lost 3000 people within a few hours time to these assholes and you want to play pattycake with them.

I'm glad that we had hard men in the right places to make the hard decisions and do the hard work. And they prevented a second major attack that you would have rather seen happen.

Obama's administration declassified and released the CIA transcript I guess that makes his administration a bunch of liars too, but then I regress.

I love this country as much as you do.

For that reason, I do not want to see my country EVER sink to the level where we accept using torture as a way to gain information. This country was built on the rights of the individual. Those rights apply to all people regardless of what crime we think they may have committed.
I am not willing to make excuses that torture is OK if we only do it to three people or if we think we may save lives. People who engage in torture always have excuses why the victim deserves it.
What made this country great was its values and humanity. To sink down to the levels of our opponents because "they did it first" is inexcusable

We understand. You and those who believe as you do would have preferred another 9-11 type attack on the West Coast. No problem then.

During the Viet Nam War, our pilots dropped bombs on civilians and used napalm. The Vietnamese considered these actions to be war crimes. When our pilots were captured, they were considered to be criminals. The Vietnamese tortured our pilots to gain information that could save lives. That was their justification

Those who engage in torture always can find a reason to justify it. Somehow, the victim always deserves it

 

[Wicked Jester]

Oh did I mention the terrorist has SEVERE radiation poisoning so he will be dead in a little OVER and hour but the bomb will go off in just UNDER an hour. He doesn't really care if you water board him because he KNOWS he is ALREADY DEAD! He is just holding on long enough to know that the USA has just lost 6-12 MILLION LIVES!!!

You've obviously been watching too much of that stupid "24" TV show buddy.

And, how many lives were saved when KSM gave up the goods when he was given a lil' bath?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Oh did I mention the terrorist has SEVERE radiation poisoning so he will be dead in a little OVER and hour but the bomb will go off in just UNDER an hour. He doesn't really care if you water board him because he KNOWS he is ALREADY DEAD! He is just holding on long enough to know that the USA has just lost 6-12 MILLION LIVES!!!

You've obviously been watching too much of that stupid "24" TV show buddy.

And, how many lives were saved when KSM gave up the goods when he was given a lil' bath?

Actually 24 is considered the "RULE BOOK" by the Right Wing loons.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Oh did I mention the terrorist has SEVERE radiation poisoning so he will be dead in a little OVER and hour but the bomb will go off in just UNDER an hour. He doesn't really care if you water board him because he KNOWS he is ALREADY DEAD! He is just holding on long enough to know that the USA has just lost 6-12 MILLION LIVES!!!

You've obviously been watching too much of that stupid "24" TV show buddy.

And, how many lives were saved when KSM gave up the goods when he was given a lil' bath?

Don't know how many? Oh and I mean FACTUALLY not some BS made up number of lives saved.

 

[Wicked Jester]

I love this country as much as you do.

For that reason, I do not want to see my country EVER sink to the level where we accept using torture as a way to gain information. This country was built on the rights of the individual. Those rights apply to all people regardless of what crime we think they may have committed.
I am not willing to make excuses that torture is OK if we only do it to three people or if we think we may save lives. People who engage in torture always have excuses why the victim deserves it.
What made this country great was its values and humanity. To sink down to the levels of our opponents because "they did it first" is inexcusable

We understand. You and those who believe as you do would have preferred another 9-11 type attack on the West Coast. No problem then.

During the Viet Nam War, our pilots dropped bombs on civilians and used napalm. The Vietnamese considered these actions to be war crimes. When our pilots were captured, they were considered to be criminals. The Vietnamese tortured our pilots to gain information that could save lives. That was their justification

Those who engage in torture always can find a reason to justify it. Somehow, the victim always deserves it

Well, when you can actually come up with clear evidence that we tortured, then your asinine argument just might hold water.

Until then, we can only consider it typical mindless liberal drivel.

All we've heard is that they were waterboarded, not tortured!

 

[rightwinger]

Those rights DO NOT apply to citizens of another country. That's why President Clinton started the CIA secret prison system and rendition.

Read your Constitution

The rights apply to the accused not accused Americans. If a foreign citizen commits a crime in the US, he is afforded the same rights as an American.

Read the Constitution again...."in the U.S." isn't the same as the battlefield in Afghanistan.

Last time I checked, the 9-11 attacks occured in the US, not Afghanistan. Doesn't matter where you catch them.

Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.
No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Note how the amendments refer to "no person" and "the accused". Our founding fathers never included the word citizen or denied the rights to non-citizens

 

[rightwinger]

We understand. You and those who believe as you do would have preferred another 9-11 type attack on the West Coast. No problem then.

During the Viet Nam War, our pilots dropped bombs on civilians and used napalm. The Vietnamese considered these actions to be war crimes. When our pilots were captured, they were considered to be criminals. The Vietnamese tortured our pilots to gain information that could save lives. That was their justification

Those who engage in torture always can find a reason to justify it. Somehow, the victim always deserves it

Well, when you can actually come up with clear evidence that we tortured, then your asinine argument just might hold water.

Until then, we can only consider it typical mindless liberal drivel.

All we've heard is that they were waterboarded, not tortured!

Yes...

Torture is always defined by the person delivering the torture......not the person receiving it

 

[CMike]

CIA Destroyed Tapes Despite Court Order
Source: AP

CIA Destroyed Tapes Despite Court Order
By MATT APUZZO – 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Bush administration was under court order not to discard evidence of detainee torture and abuse months before the CIA destroyed videotapes that revealed some of its harshest interrogation tactics.

Normally, that would force the government to defend itself against obstruction allegations. But the CIA may have an out: its clandestine network of overseas prisons.

While judges focused on the detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and tried to guarantee that any evidence of detainee abuse would be preserved, the CIA was performing its toughest questioning half a world away. And by the time President Bush publicly acknowledged the secret prison system, interrogation videotapes of two terrorism suspects had been destroyed.

The CIA destroyed the tapes in November 2005. That June, U.S. District Judge Henry H. Kennedy Jr. had ordered the Bush administration to safeguard "all evidence and information regarding the torture, mistreatment, and abuse of detainees now at the United States Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay."

YES!!!!!!! The CIA was ORDERED NOT to destroy the tapes!

Read your own stuff. The 3 terrorists weren't at Gitmo.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Oh did I mention the terrorist has SEVERE radiation poisoning so he will be dead in a little OVER and hour but the bomb will go off in just UNDER an hour. He doesn't really care if you water board him because he KNOWS he is ALREADY DEAD! He is just holding on long enough to know that the USA has just lost 6-12 MILLION LIVES!!!

You've obviously been watching too much of that stupid "24" TV show buddy.

And, how many lives were saved when KSM gave up the goods when he was given a lil' bath?

Don't know how many? Oh and I mean FACTUALLY not some BS made up number of lives saved.

Well then, it's good thing we waterboarded and prevented the attack. It's a number we don't EVER want to know.

We must thank the CIA for saving our fellow citizens lives. Unfortunately we have an idiot president who wants to demonize those who are doing what they can to keep us safe.