Who will ever trust America again?

[kaz]

We aren't careening wildly from one president to another because of our partisanship. Our drastic partisan shifts on foreign policy are a function of our underlying cluelessness about what we want to do in the world, a fantastical overestimation of our capabilities, and a resolute inability to think seriously about trade-offs.

Until all of this begins to change, the U.S. will be incapable of exercising anything approaching global leadership — and increasingly likely to stumble into military conflict with a competing major power uncertain about our priorities and capacities. That is the unhappy and dangerous situation Biden will inherit if he wins the presidency in November.

I have to agree with this but also point out it does not go far enough in how this happened...
I am voting for Biden in Nov. because he is a democrat but not a liberal, I stay with the democratic party in the hopes that I can help destroy the white leftist wing of the party as they are the ones responsible for the mess we are in...if trump wins again he needs to do to white liberals what they have done to our country...
White liberals have nothing to offer, it is their way or no way, if you do not go along you will be assigned to one or more of the "isms", cities will be brought down and lawlessness will be rampant because that is what passes for ideas and policy on the far left.

Speaking as a Blue Dog, I understand where you are coming from. I agree that Biden is no liberal.

If you think Biden is no liberal, then you're no "blue dog"

Joe Biden Has a Long History of Giving Republicans Exactly What They Want

All you did is repeat what I already just addressed. You are talking about the past and I'm talking about today

Still isn’t a liberal. Wheedling the progressive wing of the party for support doesn't make him one.

True. What makes him a hard core leftist are the policies he's advocating. He never was a moderate, he only had a few moderate views. You really aren't making any kind of case that you're not on the far left

Ok, so let’s talk about me. I support:

-Strict borders and object to sanctuary cities
-fiscal conservatism and supported the balanced budget act
-support the belief that the legislature makes laws not the SC
-want the Democrats to work with the GOP on compromise legislation
-the belief in federalism allowing states to do as much as possible without need of Washington
-support any type of welfare reform. The more people of it the better.

Any questions?

Just one. So why do you undercut all that and vote Democrat?

Because a person can hold right leaning views AND be a part of the Democratic Party. Who says people have to march in lockstep.
If it was the GOP of Eisenhower and Goldwater, I would have considered the Republican Party.

No one said you have to be in lockstep. The issue is you're voting for the opposite of what you claim to support

 

[kaz]

It will take decades of stable governance before anyone will trust us.

By then, it may be too late

The rest of the world will have moved on without us

Where are they going to go?

Forward.

Forward into paying their own bills and paying for their own defense? That would be sweet

Forward into the future, leaving us mired in conservatism.

Well there's a bit of honesty from you. Yes, they are barreling headlong into international leftism. Thanks for admitting that.

Now what is it you don't understand about our not wanting to go along with that?

 

[Crepitus]

Republicans complained about Obama’s “Apology Tour”. No amount of apology will make up for the damage Trump has done to our global reputation.

Who would ever trust America again?

The United States has become thoroughly unreliable on the world stage — and a new president with new promises won't help

theweek.com

But fixing America's foreign policy will require much more than simply erasing bad memories of Donald Trump and reverting to the technocratic competence of the Obama administration. In fact, righting our course may demand greater skill and influence than it's reasonable to assume Biden or any other president could possess.

That's because Trump's distinctive ineptitude and incoherence on the world stage is only a symptom of a much bigger and more systemic problem.

America's inconsistency

It will take decades of stable governance before anyone will trust us.

We don't need trust from them. Only fools like you think that way.

They need us a hell of a lot more than we will ever need them.

What a stupid attitude.

Oh, it's you.

Never mind.

Its a true attitude.

Oh its you,

Never mind.

It's true that it's a stupid attitude.

If its not your thoughts or attitude you think its stupid.

You don't have to like what I say any more than I have to like what you say.

You sure won't change my mind. LOL

Lol, no. I can handle some disagreement and differences of opinion.

You're just dumb.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Speaking as a Blue Dog, I understand where you are coming from. I agree that Biden is no liberal.

I have voted for republicans in the past [I just loved reagan] but they are not my cup of tea...I come from a long line of union democrats, we despise the white liberal...I don't know how old you are but what you are seeing in the streets now is what I saw in the streets of Saigon, phenom phen, cuba in the 50' and 60's and read about from early Russia in the early part of last century...this is how the communists let you know they now have control...they destroy the symbolism in your country, which in this case is also helping to erase the parties memory and responsibility for slavery.

I was a liberal Democrat in college and moved to the center during the Clinton years. Blue Dogs appealed to me, because they stayed with the party yet not marching in lockstep with the progressive wing.

I just take it one step further, I am out to destroy what you call progressives, the white liberal elites who are americas real white privileged

Think you’re a little more conservative than me.

Perhaps, but we go all the way back to kennedy and I know he was a bit more conservative as well...the party was hi-jacked and moved directly into the communist camp at the top...where all the privileged whities are.

 

[Jets]

Too many people have a problem with calling someone centrist or moderate when at times it’s accurate.

Sure. Worse, it's used as an insult.

Evidently, it's more principled and intelligent and patriotic to be a mindless partisan sheep for one tribe or the other. It's all the other tribe's fault, only my tribe has all the answers, this is war.

Not sure when that happened.

When too many people felt the US vs THEM mindset was a “smart” idea.

What made JFK Democrats and Eisenhower Republicans reasonable was that they had more in common than in difference. Now it’s reactionaries v radicals, liberals v conservatives. Internecine caviling is the new norm for political discourse.

 

[Claudette]

Republicans complained about Obama’s “Apology Tour”. No amount of apology will make up for the damage Trump has done to our global reputation.

Who would ever trust America again?

The United States has become thoroughly unreliable on the world stage — and a new president with new promises won't help

theweek.com

But fixing America's foreign policy will require much more than simply erasing bad memories of Donald Trump and reverting to the technocratic competence of the Obama administration. In fact, righting our course may demand greater skill and influence than it's reasonable to assume Biden or any other president could possess.

That's because Trump's distinctive ineptitude and incoherence on the world stage is only a symptom of a much bigger and more systemic problem.

America's inconsistency

It will take decades of stable governance before anyone will trust us.

We don't need trust from them. Only fools like you think that way.

They need us a hell of a lot more than we will ever need them.

What a stupid attitude.

Oh, it's you.

Never mind.

Its a true attitude.

Oh its you,

Never mind.

It's true that it's a stupid attitude.

If its not your thoughts or attitude you think its stupid.

You don't have to like what I say any more than I have to like what you say.

You sure won't change my mind. LOL

Lol, no. I can handle some disagreement and differences of opinion.

You're just dumb.

Nah. Just smarter than you are dummy.

 

[Crepitus]

Republicans complained about Obama’s “Apology Tour”. No amount of apology will make up for the damage Trump has done to our global reputation.

Who would ever trust America again?

The United States has become thoroughly unreliable on the world stage — and a new president with new promises won't help

theweek.com

But fixing America's foreign policy will require much more than simply erasing bad memories of Donald Trump and reverting to the technocratic competence of the Obama administration. In fact, righting our course may demand greater skill and influence than it's reasonable to assume Biden or any other president could possess.

That's because Trump's distinctive ineptitude and incoherence on the world stage is only a symptom of a much bigger and more systemic problem.

America's inconsistency

It will take decades of stable governance before anyone will trust us.

We don't need trust from them. Only fools like you think that way.

They need us a hell of a lot more than we will ever need them.

What a stupid attitude.

Oh, it's you.

Never mind.

Its a true attitude.

Oh its you,

Never mind.

It's true that it's a stupid attitude.

If its not your thoughts or attitude you think its stupid.

You don't have to like what I say any more than I have to like what you say.

You sure won't change my mind. LOL

Lol, no. I can handle some disagreement and differences of opinion.

You're just dumb.

Nah. Just smarter than you are dummy.

You go ahead and think that if it makes you feel.better, kiddo. No skin offa my ass.

 

[Jets]

We aren't careening wildly from one president to another because of our partisanship. Our drastic partisan shifts on foreign policy are a function of our underlying cluelessness about what we want to do in the world, a fantastical overestimation of our capabilities, and a resolute inability to think seriously about trade-offs.

Until all of this begins to change, the U.S. will be incapable of exercising anything approaching global leadership — and increasingly likely to stumble into military conflict with a competing major power uncertain about our priorities and capacities. That is the unhappy and dangerous situation Biden will inherit if he wins the presidency in November.

I have to agree with this but also point out it does not go far enough in how this happened...
I am voting for Biden in Nov. because he is a democrat but not a liberal, I stay with the democratic party in the hopes that I can help destroy the white leftist wing of the party as they are the ones responsible for the mess we are in...if trump wins again he needs to do to white liberals what they have done to our country...
White liberals have nothing to offer, it is their way or no way, if you do not go along you will be assigned to one or more of the "isms", cities will be brought down and lawlessness will be rampant because that is what passes for ideas and policy on the far left.

Speaking as a Blue Dog, I understand where you are coming from. I agree that Biden is no liberal.

If you think Biden is no liberal, then you're no "blue dog"

Joe Biden Has a Long History of Giving Republicans Exactly What They Want

All you did is repeat what I already just addressed. You are talking about the past and I'm talking about today

Still isn’t a liberal. Wheedling the progressive wing of the party for support doesn't make him one.

True. What makes him a hard core leftist are the policies he's advocating. He never was a moderate, he only had a few moderate views. You really aren't making any kind of case that you're not on the far left

Ok, so let’s talk about me. I support:

-Strict borders and object to sanctuary cities
-fiscal conservatism and supported the balanced budget act
-support the belief that the legislature makes laws not the SC
-want the Democrats to work with the GOP on compromise legislation
-the belief in federalism allowing states to do as much as possible without need of Washington
-support any type of welfare reform. The more people of it the better.

Any questions?

Just one. So why do you undercut all that and vote Democrat?

Because a person can hold right leaning views AND be a part of the Democratic Party. Who says people have to march in lockstep.
If it was the GOP of Eisenhower and Goldwater, I would have considered the Republican Party.

No one said you have to be in lockstep. The issue is you're voting for the opposite of what you claim to support

Voting against President Trump doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a vote for Biden.

 

[Claudette]

Republicans complained about Obama’s “Apology Tour”. No amount of apology will make up for the damage Trump has done to our global reputation.

Who would ever trust America again?

The United States has become thoroughly unreliable on the world stage — and a new president with new promises won't help

theweek.com

But fixing America's foreign policy will require much more than simply erasing bad memories of Donald Trump and reverting to the technocratic competence of the Obama administration. In fact, righting our course may demand greater skill and influence than it's reasonable to assume Biden or any other president could possess.

That's because Trump's distinctive ineptitude and incoherence on the world stage is only a symptom of a much bigger and more systemic problem.

America's inconsistency

It will take decades of stable governance before anyone will trust us.

We don't need trust from them. Only fools like you think that way.

They need us a hell of a lot more than we will ever need them.

What a stupid attitude.

Oh, it's you.

Never mind.

Its a true attitude.

Oh its you,

Never mind.

It's true that it's a stupid attitude.

If its not your thoughts or attitude you think its stupid.

You don't have to like what I say any more than I have to like what you say.

You sure won't change my mind. LOL

Lol, no. I can handle some disagreement and differences of opinion.

You're just dumb.

Nah. Just smarter than you are dummy.

You go ahead and think that if it makes you feel.better, kiddo. No skin offa my ass.

You sure aren't skin off my ass either.

In fact I couldn't care less what you think.

Carry on kiddo.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Voting against President Trump doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a vote for Biden.

I didn't vote for trump in 16 and will not be voting for him in 2020 but no one in american politics has done more to aid my cause of destroying white liberal privilege than trump.

 

[kaz]

We aren't careening wildly from one president to another because of our partisanship. Our drastic partisan shifts on foreign policy are a function of our underlying cluelessness about what we want to do in the world, a fantastical overestimation of our capabilities, and a resolute inability to think seriously about trade-offs.

Until all of this begins to change, the U.S. will be incapable of exercising anything approaching global leadership — and increasingly likely to stumble into military conflict with a competing major power uncertain about our priorities and capacities. That is the unhappy and dangerous situation Biden will inherit if he wins the presidency in November.

I have to agree with this but also point out it does not go far enough in how this happened...
I am voting for Biden in Nov. because he is a democrat but not a liberal, I stay with the democratic party in the hopes that I can help destroy the white leftist wing of the party as they are the ones responsible for the mess we are in...if trump wins again he needs to do to white liberals what they have done to our country...
White liberals have nothing to offer, it is their way or no way, if you do not go along you will be assigned to one or more of the "isms", cities will be brought down and lawlessness will be rampant because that is what passes for ideas and policy on the far left.

Speaking as a Blue Dog, I understand where you are coming from. I agree that Biden is no liberal.

If you think Biden is no liberal, then you're no "blue dog"

Joe Biden Has a Long History of Giving Republicans Exactly What They Want

All you did is repeat what I already just addressed. You are talking about the past and I'm talking about today

Still isn’t a liberal. Wheedling the progressive wing of the party for support doesn't make him one.

True. What makes him a hard core leftist are the policies he's advocating. He never was a moderate, he only had a few moderate views. You really aren't making any kind of case that you're not on the far left

Ok, so let’s talk about me. I support:

-Strict borders and object to sanctuary cities
-fiscal conservatism and supported the balanced budget act
-support the belief that the legislature makes laws not the SC
-want the Democrats to work with the GOP on compromise legislation
-the belief in federalism allowing states to do as much as possible without need of Washington
-support any type of welfare reform. The more people of it the better.

Any questions?

Just one. So why do you undercut all that and vote Democrat?

Because a person can hold right leaning views AND be a part of the Democratic Party. Who says people have to march in lockstep.
If it was the GOP of Eisenhower and Goldwater, I would have considered the Republican Party.

No one said you have to be in lockstep. The issue is you're voting for the opposite of what you claim to support

Voting against President Trump doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a vote for Biden.

Oh, I'm sure you have an excuse every time you vote for the Democrat against what you claim are your views

 

[Jets]

We aren't careening wildly from one president to another because of our partisanship. Our drastic partisan shifts on foreign policy are a function of our underlying cluelessness about what we want to do in the world, a fantastical overestimation of our capabilities, and a resolute inability to think seriously about trade-offs.

Until all of this begins to change, the U.S. will be incapable of exercising anything approaching global leadership — and increasingly likely to stumble into military conflict with a competing major power uncertain about our priorities and capacities. That is the unhappy and dangerous situation Biden will inherit if he wins the presidency in November.

I have to agree with this but also point out it does not go far enough in how this happened...
I am voting for Biden in Nov. because he is a democrat but not a liberal, I stay with the democratic party in the hopes that I can help destroy the white leftist wing of the party as they are the ones responsible for the mess we are in...if trump wins again he needs to do to white liberals what they have done to our country...
White liberals have nothing to offer, it is their way or no way, if you do not go along you will be assigned to one or more of the "isms", cities will be brought down and lawlessness will be rampant because that is what passes for ideas and policy on the far left.

Speaking as a Blue Dog, I understand where you are coming from. I agree that Biden is no liberal.

If you think Biden is no liberal, then you're no "blue dog"

Joe Biden Has a Long History of Giving Republicans Exactly What They Want

All you did is repeat what I already just addressed. You are talking about the past and I'm talking about today

Still isn’t a liberal. Wheedling the progressive wing of the party for support doesn't make him one.

True. What makes him a hard core leftist are the policies he's advocating. He never was a moderate, he only had a few moderate views. You really aren't making any kind of case that you're not on the far left

Ok, so let’s talk about me. I support:

-Strict borders and object to sanctuary cities
-fiscal conservatism and supported the balanced budget act
-support the belief that the legislature makes laws not the SC
-want the Democrats to work with the GOP on compromise legislation
-the belief in federalism allowing states to do as much as possible without need of Washington
-support any type of welfare reform. The more people of it the better.

Any questions?

Just one. So why do you undercut all that and vote Democrat?

Because a person can hold right leaning views AND be a part of the Democratic Party. Who says people have to march in lockstep.
If it was the GOP of Eisenhower and Goldwater, I would have considered the Republican Party.

No one said you have to be in lockstep. The issue is you're voting for the opposite of what you claim to support

Voting against President Trump doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a vote for Biden.

Oh, I'm sure you have an excuse every time you vote for the Democrat against what you claim are your views

Actually I always voted for my rep REPUBLICAN Peter King.

Want to keep getting it wrong, or quit while you’re ahead.

 

[rightwinger]

It will take decades of stable governance before anyone will trust us.

By then, it may be too late

The rest of the world will have moved on without us

LMAO The rest of the world depends on us to much to move on.

Look at all that foreign aid we send out every year. Without us there would be no foreign aid.

You really are a fool.

They are finding that we are undependable

Not a good trait for an ally

And they're unreliable. Yet you don't care

They honor their deals....the US does not

 

[Bush92]

The article dismisses partisanship being the issue and identifies not having a clear strategy as being the issue. I'd submit that with the republican party's goal of dysfunction in the world, partisanship is the issue. Warmongering irrationality of a party hell bent on being the American version of the a middle eastern religious state IS the problem. "American First" means everyone, including America loses. Nov 3rd, elect an adult.

In this Address, Kennedy warned "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
This is why JFK would be a Republican today. On Nov. 3rd don't vote for an adult, vote for a MAN WITH BACKBONE, re-elect President of the United States of America Donald J. Trump.

You do realize that:
1. JFK would be solidly Democrat
2. Trump is the biggest coward we’ve ever had as leader of this country. Tweet rage doesn’t offset folding to our enemies and running from our allies.

Serious question: You were kidding right?

JFK would be a Republican today.
A.) He was Roman Catholic and would be opposed to abortion.
B.) He was a Cold Warrior and father of the "Neo-Con" school of foreign policy. ("Pay any price bear any burden" had Diem assassinated)
C.) Gave biggest tax cut in history in 1962.
D.) Created Peace Corps to win hearts and minds with U.S. wealth.
E.) Stood against communism around the world, especially our biggest threat at the time, Soviet Union. He would approve of Trump taking a strong stance against communist China and terrorist Iran.
I am Roman Catholic and grew up with a crucifix, picture of Jesus, and picture of President Kennedy on the wall in my room. He was my favorite President and read everything I could get on his life and presidency. Finally, the asshole that shot him had the same political beliefs as Bernie, AOC, and the majority of Democratic Party 2020.

Wow. I feel like you have to be a liberal plant. This is too easy.

A. Catholics are equally divided among the two political parties. Educated Catholics are overwhelmingly Democrat.
B. Republicans are now isolationists and appeasers or did you not get that Trump memo?
C. Which still had marginal tax rates way above today’s levels for the wealthy and companies so JFK would want it returned to his levels.
D. A social group. Yea. Like that’s right up a republicans ally.
E. Trump is a Russian appeaser. See the reluctance to sanctionor criticize.

Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics

Explore the geographic distribution and demographics of America's major religious groups.

www.pewforum.org

A.) No Catholics are not "evenly split" between conservative and liberal. Working class Catholics used to vote Democrat, but Trump flipped that in 2016. When Hillary was addressing gay marriage and BLM, Trump was addressing job losses in Rust Belt (you know, heavily Catholic states that suffered loss of manufacturing jobs to China and Mexico) so they crossed over and voted Trump. They will again min 2020. Guess their not "educated" enough for a narcissist like you. Well Democrat do get the elitist vote these days.
B.) Killing the savage General Salami (what I call him) doesn't seem isolationist to me. Forcing China to accept a more level playing field on trade doesn't seem isolationist to me.
C.) No. It was across the board but emphasized middle-class, kinda like Reagan and Trump did.
D.) Peace Corp was a weapon to fight communist expansion around the globe.
E.) Conducting naval maneuvers in the Baltic, increased troop presence in Poland along with anti-missile systems is putting pressure on Pooty Poot.

 

[Bush92]

It will take decades of stable governance before anyone will trust us.

By then, it may be too late

The rest of the world will have moved on without us

LMAO The rest of the world depends on us to much to move on.

Look at all that foreign aid we send out every year. Without us there would be no foreign aid.

You really are a fool.

They are finding that we are undependable

Not a good trait for an ally

And they're unreliable. Yet you don't care

They honor their deals....the US does not

Trump doesn't honor bad deals or deals that threatened the security of our allies in the Middle East and SW Asia.

 

[kaz]

It will take decades of stable governance before anyone will trust us.

By then, it may be too late

The rest of the world will have moved on without us

LMAO The rest of the world depends on us to much to move on.

Look at all that foreign aid we send out every year. Without us there would be no foreign aid.

You really are a fool.

They are finding that we are undependable

Not a good trait for an ally

And they're unreliable. Yet you don't care

They honor their deals....the US does not

Well that's a total load of crap

 

[rightwinger]

If you think Biden is no liberal, then you're no "blue dog"

He's not a liberal bro...he's stuck in the darkness of a PC crowd that will crush his candidacy if he even looks like he is thinking of straying from the party line

He's supporting defunding the police, the green new deal and sucking up to Bernie and Pocahontas supporters. Even AOC is starting to like him. What he supported decades ago isn't relevant today. The guy is red as a beet

Biden does not support defunding the police or the Green New Deal. He has brushed Warren and Bernie aside and neither features prominently in his campaign.

Of all the Democratic candidates, Biden offers the best chance at compromise with Republicans

 

[kaz]

It will take decades of stable governance before anyone will trust us.

By then, it may be too late

The rest of the world will have moved on without us

LMAO The rest of the world depends on us to much to move on.

Look at all that foreign aid we send out every year. Without us there would be no foreign aid.

You really are a fool.

They are finding that we are undependable

Not a good trait for an ally

And they're unreliable. Yet you don't care

They honor their deals....the US does not

Trump doesn't honor bad deals or deals that threatened the security of our allies in the Middle East and SW Asia.

Other countries don't honor their deals out of pure selfish interest. That RW thinks the euroweenies, Russians, Iranians, Chinese etc. honor their deals is to the point of total derangement

 

[kaz]

If you think Biden is no liberal, then you're no "blue dog"

He's not a liberal bro...he's stuck in the darkness of a PC crowd that will crush his candidacy if he even looks like he is thinking of straying from the party line

He's supporting defunding the police, the green new deal and sucking up to Bernie and Pocahontas supporters. Even AOC is starting to like him. What he supported decades ago isn't relevant today. The guy is red as a beet

Biden does not support defunding the police or the Green New Deal. He has brushed Warren and Bernie aside and neither features prominently in his campaign.

Of all the Democratic candidates, Biden offers the best chance at compromise with Republicans

So you're calling Biden a liar? This may be the first time in your 200,000 posts that I agreed with you

 

[kyzr]

If you think Biden is no liberal, then you're no "blue dog"

He's not a liberal bro...he's stuck in the darkness of a PC crowd that will crush his candidacy if he even looks like he is thinking of straying from the party line

He's supporting defunding the police, the green new deal and sucking up to Bernie and Pocahontas supporters. Even AOC is starting to like him. What he supported decades ago isn't relevant today. The guy is red as a beet

Biden does not support defunding the police or the Green New Deal. He has brushed Warren and Bernie aside and neither features prominently in his campaign.

Of all the Democratic candidates, Biden offers the best chance at compromise with Republicans

Never happen. Gridlock would be the best we could hope for.