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[Quantrill]

The 5 books of Moses is the Old Testament. This book was given to me at my Bar Mitzvah. Its a Hebrew English translation with commentary. You would learn a lot from it since you cant read Hebrew Greek or Aramaic and dont understand Jewish idiomatic expressions. Simply put you have no idea what the words really mean.

No, the Old Testament are all the books from (Genesis) to (Chronicles). Or (Genesis) to (Malachi). Sorry for your loss.

Are those 5 books of Moses the Word of God?

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[Lisa558]

You guys always put your foot in your mouths…Time for a little educating if not for you but for others who might be reading this



Speaking or which… Christ is supposed to mean “ anointed”.. The holy anointing oil is supposed to be poured from the head of the one anointed to drip down to his feet… Now many were anointed in this “ “proper” fashion but not your hero JeSUS……According to your own book his feet were washed by a wicked woman… I find this interesting because this was what was practised in the Elusian mysteries when a pig was consecrated and then sacrificed… Pig in Latin which never changes is a SUS and the language is known as PIG Latin.. Now pigs are an abomination and when Antiochus the Greek king placed one on the altar of the temple it was known as the abomination of desolation…Are your alarm bells ringing yet.. You see the Roman’s were wicked and perverse in their sense of humour… It was vile and degrading too … They made fun of the Jewish customs and they also enjoyed fooling the masses who ironically converted to a new religion which their emperor Constantine pushed in the Nicea councils in the 3 rd century… Ironically Constantine never converted but he did find a lot of useful idiots to expand his empire using Christianity to do so…… By the way Carl… The holy anointing oil has a name.. It was originally known as the Shemen Afarshimon….Wink Wink nudge nudge… laughing… So how could I be anti myself since my name is SHIMON….Try pulling your foot out of your mouth now…. Smiling…

Carl is very resentful of the Jews who remained Jews instead of converting to Christianity. The irony is that he considers the real Jews NOT Jews - and the ones who abandoned the teachings of Judaism the actual Jews. LOL.

I am certain that Jesus did not intend to start a new religion, and most of what he said was traditional Jewish teachings. He must be rolling over in his grave.

 

[Hafar1014]

No, the Old Testament are all the books from (Genesis) to (Malachi). Sorry for your loss.

Are those 5 books of Moses the Word of God?

Quantrill

You sure arent

 

[Hafar1014]

Carl is very resentful of the Jews who remained Jews instead of converting to Christianity. The irony is that he considers the real Jews NOT Jews - and the ones who abandoned the teachings of Judaism the actual Jews. LOL.

I am certain that Jesus did not intend to start a new religion, and most of what he said was traditional Jewish teachings. He must be rolling over in his grave.

Some Christians have an inferiority complex and are intimidated by Jews who while rejecting their beliefs are the most successful culture in hisorty. At the same time they worhips Jesus who was a Jew. Think of how confused these people are

 

[Quantrill]

You sure arent

Scared, aren't you?

Again, are those 5 books of Moses the Word of God? Simple question.

Quantrill

 

[Hafar1014]

Scared, aren't you?

Again, are those 5 books of Moses the Word of God? Simple question.

Quantrill

No one can argue there inspired by God but the allegories are the work of many men. Leviticus is civil law

 

[Quantrill]

No one can argue there inspired by God but the allegories are the work of many men. Leviticus is civil law

You didn't answer the question. Are those 5 books of Moses the Word of God?

Quantrill

 

[shimon]

Carl is very resentful of the Jews who remained Jews instead of converting to Christianity. The irony is that he considers the real Jews NOT Jews - and the ones who abandoned the teachings of Judaism the actual Jews. LOL.

I am certain that Jesus did not intend to start a new religion, and most of what he said was traditional Jewish teachings. He must be rolling over in his grave.

I am going to educate a little bit here if you don’t mind Lisa so bear with me… If you remember the story of Jonah and the big fish… It is an allegory but it is very telling… Jonah represents the Jewish people and what befalls them… Originally Jonah was happy and content and he lived on the land( which is what Israel was known as because it was stable….However he had to flee and was tossed into the waters( which represents the nations of the world where one wave rises above all others only to crash down and another wave or nation then rises up to take its place only to fall down again… It is very chaotic and in constant turmoil…. Now out of the waters came a giant fish which swallowed Jonah/Israel whole.. The fish represents Christianity which tried to swallow the Jewish people basically take their place… However they could not digest them and spat them out whole unharmed… Jonah/ The jewishpeople we’re constantly harassed after this for many years till they finally RETURNED to the land where they once again became themselves shaking off the years of oppression … They were changed but still the same and I. The end Jonah/ Israel gets a double portion in the messianic age to come… and this is the crux of it… Carl and his ilk are upset because they could not destroy us or conquer us like Christianity did so many others and there is that doubt that in the end we will be proven correct and their replacement theologies are nothing but a vain image this goes not only for Christianity but for Islam as well…I could go on here but hopefully you and others will get the message I am conveying….

 

[Meriweather]

Time for a little educating if not for you but for others who might be reading this

It was misdirection, not educating. In Biblical times (as you probably know), anointing a guest's feet after washing them was a sign of honor and humility. When Jesus was invited to supper that night, his hosts (for whatever reason) did not provide water to wash Jesus' feet. A woman in the gospel story noticed this omission and was apparently distressed by it. She washed Jesus' feet with her tears, dried them with her hair, and anointed them with oil, giving him the honor and respect she clearly thought was due.

What I find distressing today is that Jesus was born into Jewish society, culture, and history. He knew the story of his people, as did Matthew and Luke, two of the Gospel writers. While I respect the reason Jews are not familiar with these stories, it is--at the same time--unfortunate. Matthew used Jewish history as a foreshadowing of Jesus' story. Luke used Jesus' life as an overlay of Jewish stories.

Are you familiar with the recent history/discoveries regarding the Shroud of Turin, believed to be the burial cloth of Jesus? I don't know if you are familiar with Barrie Schwortz, a Jew and a scientist, who was a part of these investigations. He was skeptical at first, but later was part of a team verifying the cloth as authentic. (No, he did not convert to Christianity.)

 

[Meriweather]

I am going to educate a little bit here if you don’t mind Lisa so bear with me… If you remember the story of Jonah and the big fish… It is an allegory but it is very telling… Jonah represents the Jewish people and what befalls them… Originally Jonah was happy and content and he lived on the land( which is what Israel was known as because it was stable….However he had to flee and was tossed into the waters( which represents the nations of the world where one wave rises above all others only to crash down and another wave or nation then rises up to take its place only to fall down again… It is very chaotic and in constant turmoil…. Now out of the waters came a giant fish which swallowed Jonah/Israel whole.. The fish represents Christianity which tried to swallow the Jewish people basically take their place… However they could not digest them and spat them out whole unharmed… Jonah/ The jewishpeople we’re constantly harassed after this for many years till they finally RETURNED to the land where they once again became themselves shaking off the years of oppression … They were changed but still the same and I. The end Jonah/ Israel gets a double portion in the messianic age to come… and this is the crux of it… Carl and his ilk are upset because they could not destroy us or conquer us like Christianity did so many others and there is that doubt that in the end we will be proven correct and their replacement theologies are nothing but a vain image this goes not only for Christianity but for Islam as well…I could go on here but hopefully you and others will get the message I am conveying….

Try again. The original author of the story of Jonah did not live in a Christian time. What was the message of the original author to his original audience? In that time, Jews were taught and encouraged to walk the way of God. Jonah was called to walk this way, decided this way was not for him and fled in the opposite direction. His life became stormy and he was swallowed by a great fish into a dark place. He decided God's way might not be so bad after all, and the great fish spat him back into the light of God's way. And, to Jonah's continued dismay, he was to go into a city that was not following the way of God and call them to repent--i.e. change their hearts and walk in the way of God. To Jonah's dismay, they did exactly that.

Could it be Jews have adopted Jonah's dismay when outsiders also try to follow the way of God?

Jews and Christians should never have turned on one another to begin with. Isn't it time we started working on coming together?

 

[Hafar1014]

You didn't answer the question. Are those 5 books of Moses the Word of God?

Quantrill

I did God makes suggestions we make choices

 

[Lisa558]

Scared, aren't you?

Again, are those 5 books of Moses the Word of God? Simple question.

Quantrill

I am going to educate a little bit here if you don’t mind Lisa so bear with me… If you remember the story of Jonah and the big fish… It is an allegory but it is very telling… Jonah represents the Jewish people and what befalls them… Originally Jonah was happy and content and he lived on the land( which is what Israel was known as because it was stable….However he had to flee and was tossed into the waters( which represents the nations of the world where one wave rises above all others only to crash down and another wave or nation then rises up to take its place only to fall down again… It is very chaotic and in constant turmoil…. Now out of the waters came a giant fish which swallowed Jonah/Israel whole.. The fish represents Christianity which tried to swallow the Jewish people basically take their place… However they could not digest them and spat them out whole unharmed… Jonah/ The jewishpeople we’re constantly harassed after this for many years till they finally RETURNED to the land where they once again became themselves shaking off the years of oppression … They were changed but still the same and I. The end Jonah/ Israel gets a double portion in the messianic age to come… and this is the crux of it… Carl and his ilk are upset because they could not destroy us or conquer us like Christianity did so many others and there is that doubt that in the end we will be proven correct and their replacement theologies are nothing but a vain image this goes not only for Christianity but for Islam as well…I could go on here but hopefully you and others will get the message I am conveying….

I know well the story of Jonah and the fish, but never considered the allegory you describe. It makes sense.

And you’re correct - neither Christianity or Islam will be able to swallow the Jewish people, and that angers people Carl. I have been the target of Evangelical Christians before, and they will not take NO for an answer. They will harass you for YEARS unless you relent.

 

[Lisa558]

Try again. The original author of the story of Jonah did not live in a Christian time. What was the message of the original author to his original audience? In that time, Jews were taught and encouraged to walk the way of God. Jonah was called to walk this way, decided this way was not for him and fled in the opposite direction. His life became stormy and he was swallowed by a great fish into a dark place. He decided God's way might not be so bad after all, and the great fish spat him back into the light of God's way. And, to Jonah's continued dismay, he was to go into a city that was not following the way of God and call them to repent--i.e. change their hearts and walk in the way of God. To Jonah's dismay, they did exactly that.

Could it be Jews have adopted Jonah's dismay when outsiders also try to follow the way of God?

Jews and Christians should never have turned on one another to begin with. Isn't it time we started working on coming together?

These are very nice sentiments, but have you read the comments of the Christians here who insist my people are not really Jewish, and that the real Jews are the ones who turned their back on Gd and started worshipping a mortal man as a deity? That is OPPOSITE what Judaism teaches. The Messiah will be a prophet - but a mortal.

It is quite insulting for a Christian to tell a Jew what defines a Jew.

 

[Hafar1014]

These are very nice sentiments, but have you read the comments of the Christians here who insist my people are not really Jewish, and that the real Jews are the ones who turned their back on Gd and started worshipping a mortal man as a deity? That is OPPOSITE what Judaism teaches. The Messiah will be a prophet - but a mortal.

It is quite insulting for a Christian to tell a Jew what defines a Jew.

They are afraid of us because our success makes them question their beliefs

 

[BreezeWood]

That is no answer. How does Jesus clearly articulate the parity of all living beings?

Quantrill

choosing to be a desert dweller is your decision those bibles are written to persecute and victimize the innocent, honesty is the first casualty as recorded history attests as to the perpetrators - quantrill.

provide anything physical constructed for observation etched in stone, pottery or written in their hand by jesus you have observed for any of your beliefs concerning the 1st century events than a bible written by the crucifiers - state religion of the roman empire - that uses their victim, jesus for their own purposes to persecute and victimize the innocent and prolongs the lies of judaism they incorporated into christianity.

you are missed is the liest as an excuse for your denial of the very teachings jesus and those others since have died for.

 

[GLASNOST]

The out of context is in your complete lack of understanding. THAT is what is out of context. You don't understand what it means, you idiot. If you do understand what it means then say it. You can't say it because you - don't - know.

Again, I have taken nothing out of context.

That's exactly what you did.

 

[JoeB131]

What do you mean by “Jewish insurrectionists”? Jews who defying Rome?

I don’t see how that makes them not Jews. After all, the Jews of Masada held out for two years before committing suicide rather than become subjected to Roman control. Nobody would ever say they weren’t Jewish.

No, they were just kind of dumb.

 

[Meriweather]

These are very nice sentiments, but have you read the comments of the Christians here who insist my people are not really Jewish, and that the real Jews are the ones who turned their back on Gd and started worshipping a mortal man as a deity? That is OPPOSITE what Judaism teaches. The Messiah will be a prophet - but a mortal.

It is quite insulting for a Christian to tell a Jew what defines a Jew.

Christian comments insisting your people are not really Jewish are so idiotic I skip right over them. I am a gentile, and I have no problem with that. It is likely I also have one line of ancestors who may have had Jewish heritage, and I am fine with that--but it does not make me--or my faith--Jewish. It would be interesting to know whether or not my heritage extends to one of the lost tribes of Israel, and equally interesting to know whether my heritage never crossed paths with Judaism at all, and we meet up with Adam and Eve. I love the Biblical story of the creation and early history of mankind. So much wisdom in those accounts, often ignored. We could learn so much.

Jews believe in One God and they believe in the Word and the Way of God. The faithful are sticking steadfastly to their part of their covenant with God, and you are blessed.

 

[BreezeWood]

THIS ^^^ is whT this poster has no business defining who a Jew is and who a Jew isn’t. He’s driven by disdain by Jews who follow their religion instead of worshipping a man.
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Sorry, but an antisemite who refers to Jews as “anti-Christ people” is in no position to decide who Jews are.

the prologues of all three desert religions are the same - incorporation's of forgeries, lies and deceit forwarded throughout all three text if not for a christian anyone with the liest amount of religion has every right to ridicule the most egregiously false religions perpetrated on all people living on heavens garden.

jesus is not or ever claimed to be a heavenly messiah than their beliefs being heavenly inspired as those others in repudiation of the fallacies as false commandments used to persecute and victimize the innocent.

 

[JoeB131]

Carl is very resentful of the Jews who remained Jews instead of converting to Christianity. The irony is that he considers the real Jews NOT Jews - and the ones who abandoned the teachings of Judaism the actual Jews. LOL.

I am certain that Jesus did not intend to start a new religion, and most of what he said was traditional Jewish teachings. He must be rolling over in his grave.

Well, first I don't think Jesus existed as a real person, or he was probably a composite of several actual people.

But to the point, arguing over who is really following the imaginary sky man is always a bit silly to me