Zone1 Who Say That They are Jews and are Not

[Hafar1014]

Please do. Thank you.

Jews intimidate Christians because we reject their idol worship and have beccome the most successful culture in hisotry ahainst the worst oppression possible. Must be God protecting us. We dont need Jesus dont want him and your welcome to him

 

[norwegen]

Well, your take is contrary to what the Bible says. Thus your 'take' means nothing to me.

I showed in post #(8) that being a child of Abraham means nothing to God. One is not a true Jew/Israelite unless he is a 'child of promise' as Isaac was. Many are born in Israel who are not children of promise. They are not Jews/Israelites as far as God is concerned. And his 'concern' is overall.

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My take is based on history and Revelation.

What about it contradicts the Bible, and how does it?

 

[BreezeWood]

They are not Jews/Israelites as far as God is concerned.

the heavens have no concerns for any particular group differently than any other group of living beings.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jews intimidate Christians because we reject their idol worship and have beccome the most successful culture in hisotry ahainst the worst oppression possible. Must be God protecting us. We dont need Jesus dont want him and your welcome to him

- all three desert religions have the same false commandments made up by the liar moses written in their bibles causing all three to be meritless and without heavenly personification.

 

[Quantrill]

the heavens have no concerns for any particular group differently than any other group of living beings.

The Bible says differently, as I showed.

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[Quantrill]

My take is based on history and Revelation.

What about it contradicts the Bible, and how does it?

See post #(8).

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[Quantrill]

Yup…….that’s just antisemitism of the NT.

“Synogogue of Satan”?! Yeeks.

I wouldn’t trust the NT to define who is Jewish and who is not, but I can see why fundamental Christians have such hostility toward Jews. It’s terrible, really.

What have I said that is hostile toward the Jews?

Yes, 'Synagogue of Satan'. Are you a Jew who practices Judaism?

Do you believe (Deut. 7:6)? "For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth."

Does this verse mean you and the Old Testament are antichristian?

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[GLASNOST]

Who Say That They are Jews and are Not​

Their mothers.

 

[GLASNOST]

... the Jews of Masada held out for two years before committing suicide....

So, commiting suicide is to take a life which is not allowed in Judaism. Are the Zealots then not considered Jews in the eyes of G_d ..... or simply considered bad Jews?

 

[GLASNOST]

... You’re saying that the Jews who worshipped Jesus were the “real” Jews, and the ones who remained true to their faith were NOT the Jews?
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There is a big difference between 'worship' and 'appreciate'. In any case, Christians have failed miserably in proving Jesus said anything at all. He might have been a mute for all we know. He certainly didn't write anything.

 

[fncceo]

In Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9, who is John of Patmos calling the impostors in the Jewish community?

Once, not even that long ago, I would have said the Zealots and other Jewish insurrectionists. Jesus said their generation was wicked (Mt 12:39; 16:4; Lk 11:29). Josephus said they were guilty of the greatest madness (Wars 7.8.1).

But were the Zealots and Idumeans the subjects of John’s accusation? Maybe it was all the Jews who did not follow Christ? The Judaizers and even the moderate Jews?

In its historical context, Revelation is easy to comprehend. This is perhaps my one lingering question.

A xtian speculating on who is, and is not, Jewish is like a Rotweiller theorizing on who is, or isn’t human.

They are entitled to their theory … but they aren’t capable of comprehending the data.

 

[GLASNOST]

.... God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth."

If you can be more specific it would help. You (or the authors) are saying that the Jews are special upon the face of the earth but in what capacity? You haven't clarified that point.

 

[Kruska]

What do you mean by “Jewish insurrectionists”? Jews who defying Rome?

I don’t see how that makes them not Jews. After all, the Jews of Masada held out for two years before committing suicide rather than become subjected to Roman control. Nobody would ever say they weren’t Jewish.

Typical Jewish-Zionist propaganda and fairy-tales, starting off with their self-composed Bible.

Archaeological findings, by the University of Tel Aviv, using drone technology and 3D modeling, suggest the Roman siege of Masada (c. 73–74 CE) lasted only a few weeks, likely 4 to 9 weeks, rather than the previously assumed several years. The Roman army, under Flavius Silva built a surrounding wall and a massive, rapid siege ramp to breach the fortress, culminating in the defender's mass suicide.

The "legend" of 960 defenders having committed suicide, is in the least to say "very questionable".

• New Findings: The 8,000–9,000 Roman soldiers constructed their siege systems in roughly two weeks.
• Duration: The active, final siege phase likely lasted a few weeks, not several years.
• The Sicarii (Jewish rebels) held the fortress from 66 CE, but the intense, final Roman siege lasted only weeks.

 

[GLASNOST]

A xtian speculating on who is, and is not, Jewish is like a Rotweiller theorizing on who is, or isn’t human.

They are entitled to their theory … but they aren’t capable of comprehending the data.

Are you saying then that no one has any knowledge about WW II if they weren't born untill 1947? Christians may indeed speculate on who is, and who is not Jewish. Maybe you ought to replace the word "speculation" with something else?

 

[norwegen]

A xtian speculating on who is, and is not, Jewish is like a Rotweiller theorizing on who is, or isn’t human.

They are entitled to their theory … but they aren’t capable of comprehending the data.

Um, John of Patmos was a Christian speculating on who was or was not Jewish. Not just speculating but determining.

 

[Kruska]

Are you saying then that no one has any knowledge about WW II if they weren't born untill 1947? Christians may indeed speculate on who is, and who is not Jewish. Maybe you ought to replace the word "speculation" with something else?

So far I didn't have any issue with "identifying" a Jewish person (foremost Ashkenazim's) - since they indeed have very specific traits that give them clearly away. However it does get difficult with Mizrahi Jews - two guys really got enraged at me when I asked them where the hell the difference is between them and Arab/Palestinians.

 

[norwegen]

See post #(8).

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Did I say something that contradicted your post #8?

What did I say that contradicts the Bible?

 

[Quantrill]

If you can be more specific it would help. You (or the authors) are saying that the Jews are special upon the face of the earth but in what capacity? You haven't clarified that point.

Are you Jewish?

(Deut. 7:6) is quite clear. "For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth."

And thus my question to Lisa558. Does that mean you and the Old Testament are antichristian?

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[BreezeWood]

The Bible says differently, as I showed.

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is that the 4th century - state religion of the roman empire - christian bible. they have no appendix of the saved documents they used to write their book, you are missled.

- the first century events, jesus clearly articulate the parity of all living beings by their repudiation of judaism.

 

[Quantrill]

Did I say something that contradicted your post #8?

What did I say that contradicts the Bible?

You indicate the Jews who are traitors and insurrectionists are the Jews that John speaks of in the book of (Revelation).

But I showed in post #(8) that one can be born 100% Jew/Israelite, from Abrahm, Isaac, and Jacob, yet not be a true Jew/Israelite before God. Why? Because the true Jew is 100% born from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but is also a 'child of promise' just like Isaac was a child of promise.

Just because one is born an Israelite doesn't make them a child of God. Being a child of promise does. That doesn't mean a Gentile, who may be a child of promise, becomes a Jew/Israelite. He does not.

The determining factor is God. The promise comes from God.

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