Who is Rev. Jim Wallis?

[rdean]

I just watched evangelical leader Rev. Jim Wallis talk about the health care plan.

My jaw dropped to the floor. My eyes bugged out of my head. He must have "misspoke".

I have never heard an evangelical talk this way. It has to be a joke.

First, he said Jesus never healed for "profit".

Then, he said it's the responsibility of all Christians to make sure every person in this country has health care (from an evangelical? That boggles the mind.).

Now came the part that really shocked me. He said that the "death panels" were, now get this, "Bearing False Witness". Not only was he saying it is a lie, but he was condemning the lie with a Biblical Phrase. He was saying flat out it is against God.

Now comes MY question. Considering this guy is the most Christian guy I have heard in 40 years, I'm talking the kind of Christian that actually talks about doing good and what's right, what do other evangelicals think about him? Is he on the "fringe" of the religious "elite"? With this kind of message, he must be hated on the right.
Is that the case? This is a serious question.

 

[Truthmatters]

God forbid that Christians actually care for their fellow man.

This man is such a radical.

 

[wvpeach]

Actually Jim Wallis is very representative of a lot of people of faith in this nation.

He heads the sojourners . A group of people of faith who actually live by the principals of the bible. As a offshoot of their group they offer the Red letter Christians . People of faith who actually live by Christ's words in the bible.

They were very vocal against the war in Iraq and stand for social justice and the actual principals of Christ.

It should come as no surprise to anybody that many people of faith are like Jim Wallis in fact if I had to bet I would say the majority are . Problem is the media only shows the fake kind of Christian on TV. You know the kind the ones that support dropping bombs on innocent children half a world away. The ones that supported Bush and his immoral war.
Obviously such people know nothing at all about what Christ actually taught or the New Testament. But I guess like Bush they think it sounds good to call themselves Christians .
They are not real Christians . Men like Jim Wallis are real christians who follow the actual teachings and principals Christ taught.

 

[rdean]

Actually Jim Wallis is very representative of a lot of people of faith in this nation.

He heads the sojourners . A group of people of faith who actually live by the principals of the bible. As a offshoot of their group they offer the Red letter Christians . People of faith who actually live by Christ's words in the bible.

They were very vocal against the war in Iraq and stand for social justice and the actual principals of Christ.

It should come as no surprise to anybody that many people of faith are like Jim Wallis in fact if I had to bet I would say the majority are . Problem is the media only shows the fake kind of Christian on TV. You know the kind the ones that support dropping bombs on innocent children half a world away. The ones that supported Bush and his immoral war.
Obviously such people know nothing at all about what Christ actually taught or the New Testament. But I guess like Bush they think it sounds good to call themselves Christians .
They are not real Christians . Men like Jim Wallis are real christians who follow the actual teachings and principals Christ taught.

If he keeps talking that way, he could actually get "converts". How do you argue with such a guy?

 

[Truthmatters]

The Christians who ran this country for so many years think Christianity means it makes you better than other people.

Lots of fools bought in.

 

[xsited1]

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Now comes MY question. Considering this guy is the most Christian guy I have heard in 40 years, I'm talking the kind of Christian that actually talks about doing good and what's right, what do other evangelicals think about him? Is he on the "fringe" of the religious "elite"? With this kind of message, he must be hated on the right.
Is that the case? This is a serious question.

Many Christians believe that way. The first Christian church was like a socialist commune after all. However, other Christians believe that the Government shouldn't be used as a middle man. In other words, why send your money to the government to let them decide where it's needed? People like Rev. Jim Wallis essentially want the government to act as the head of the Christian church and provide for all people. Most conservative-leaning Christians would rather trust themselves or their church to provide for the less fortunate.

 

[Truthmatters]

Except it hasnt worked very efficiently to help people.

There is nothing in Christianity that says government of , for and By the people cant help.

 

[wvpeach]

Not true xsited.

People of real faith, of which I can humbly call myself part of their ranks understand that if we are going to pay taxes anyway one should never oppose the money being spent in ways that Christ would approve of.

Real people of faith by nature of Christs commandments are normally pretty educated about the teachings of the master . That education leads to education in many areas as the holy spirit call's us to learn many things to understand the teachings of the Lord. Including history. A basic knowledge of history shows that over 1700 years of well recorded history of man all we got when we did it the way conservatives want to do it was poor houses for old people that could no longer work. Industrial Orphanages for kids and early deaths for the least among us.

Charity has never and will never come close to supplying the needs of the least among us. In fact a historical look at charity shows that the sort of Christian that Bush was and right wingers are often used the excuse of charity to abuse people. Incorrectly believing that if people were sick or down on their luck God must be punishing them , so it was okay to abuse them.

Thus people of real faith can and must support tax dollars being used to help fulfill Christs commands to care for the fatherless, sick, and elderly among us.
Not that that absolves us of the duty to do more .

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Now comes MY question. Considering this guy is the most Christian guy I have heard in 40 years, I'm talking the kind of Christian that actually talks about doing good and what's right, what do other evangelicals think about him? Is he on the "fringe" of the religious "elite"? With this kind of message, he must be hated on the right.
Is that the case? This is a serious question.

Many Christians believe that way. The first Christian church was like a socialist commune after all. However, other Christians believe that the Government shouldn't be used as a middle man. In other words, why send your money to the government to let them decide where it's needed? People like Rev. Jim Wallis essentially want the government to act as the head of the Christian church and provide for all people. Most conservative-leaning Christians would rather trust themselves or their church to provide for the less fortunate.

 

[xsited1]

Not true xsited.

People of real faith, of which I can humbly call myself part of their ranks understand that if we are going to pay taxes anyway one should never oppose the money being spent in ways that Christ would approve of.

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Which is why many Christians don't trust the government with their money. Do you realize that your money was used to attack Iraq and kill tens of thousands of innocent people? I don't believe Christ would approve of that.

 

[Avatar4321]

Christ asked us to have charity with what we have. Not with other peoples money.

 

[Truthmatters]

The govs money is OUR money fool

 

[Avatar4321]

The govs money is OUR money fool

Actually, quite alot of it is China's money.

You aren't entitled to take other peoples money to spend it as you please. It will never be your money.

I really wish people would stop expecting others to pay for their services. Why should I have to pay for Rush Limbaugh's medical bills? Or Barack Obama's? Or Bill Gates?

You want to give up freedom, you will give up the ability to be charitable. If you dont have a choice on whether to give or not, its not charity. If you are entitled to something, you arent grateful for it.

Does anyone honestly believe that God wants you to empower the government to take money from people against their will and give it to people who feel they are somehow owed it with absolutely no gratitude?

God promote charity. Charity comes through individual action not through bureacratic red tape. And those who recognize the gifts for what they are, are to recieve them with grattitude and full graciousness of heart.

God gave us freedom for a reason. It was for us to choose to do Good or evil on our own. It's the Adversary that opposes freedom. Because he wants to make us all as miserable as he is.

And if this health care bill is passed, we may all be one step closer to being that miserable.

 

[Fatality]

Who is Rev. Jim Wallis?

an obamabot doing as his master instructed him. you know someone like you, your ossiah speaks you champ right up.

 

[Fatality]

The govs money is OUR money fool

that they forcibly take with threat of violence.

 

[editec]

Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Jesus was a commie, folks.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Love thy neighbor as thyself.
Jesus was a commie, folks.

"Comrade" Jesus? I don't think so.

 

[Avatar4321]

Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Jesus was a commie, folks.

Making people miserable through communism isnt love.

 

[John Lemmon]

I don't think communists accept gay people, do they?

 

[editec]

Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Jesus was a commie, folks.

Making people miserable through communism isnt love.

True.

STill look at this life and tell me he was anything else.

He lived collectively with his apostles and followers and preached to the people about how one must love thy neighbor, give to the poor., and eshew materialism

He was in every sense of the word, a communist.

Not a Marxist, or Maoist, not a Trotskyite, but an authentic primative communist.

 

[wvpeach]

Not true xsited.

People of real faith, of which I can humbly call myself part of their ranks understand that if we are going to pay taxes anyway one should never oppose the money being spent in ways that Christ would approve of.

...

Which is why many Christians don't trust the government with their money. Do you realize that your money was used to attack Iraq and kill tens of thousands of innocent people? I don't believe Christ would approve of that.

Mark 12:14 Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not? 15Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”
16They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

17Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”

And they were amazed at him.


Amazed at Christ, because it was the fondest hope of the Jewish people of that time that Christ had come to over throw the Roman government and stop the high taxes they complained about at the time.

xsited1 quote:Which is why many Christians don't trust the government with their money. Do you realize that your money was used to attack Iraq and kill tens of thousands of innocent people? I don't believe Christ would approve of that.

Sounds exactly like the Jewish people of Christ's time.
Why should we give the government our taxes they asked?
Christ was clear, the bible is clear on the topic .
The world will be ruled by men who are servants of Satan's until Christ's second coming.
Our jobs as servants of Christ is not to try to rule the world, a country, a town or even our neighborhood. Our job is to take the message of Christ into a world growing ever darker with sin. Our job is to shine the light and love of Christ through our own actions into a world becoming less humane all the time.

xsited,

Just as in Christs day we will always pay taxes.
I agree followers of Christ should be advocating that our tax monies not be used to drop bombs on innocent men , women and children 1/2 a world away.
Followers of Christ should also be advocating since we pay taxes anyway, in a system where we supposedly get to lobby as to how they are spent; followers of Christ advocate that our tax dollars go to help the sick, the elderly , the fatherless , those who are the neediest among us.

We also advocate against needless wars.

When you hear a person advocating that paying taxes is against the bible , you know existed you have ran into a person that has no clue what Christ actually taught.

Christ taught us to as much as possible to obey the authorities because the bible says none rule except that God allows it and puts them in that position. Doesn't mean they are good decent people we would think of as followers of Christ. Means they are there in that position for the purposes of God. What they do can be both good and evil. All of it fits into God's hands and plans.

It is not for the followers of Christ to deny the needy at any time. Be it personal money or tax money. Our main purpose is to reach the needy and any God call's to Christ. You certainly cannot do that if you begrudge tax dollars going to help the sick, fatherless and elderly.