Who is responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters over the centuries?

[The Sage of Main Street]

Why is it you dumb shits have to think the USA troops that protect your fat butts are responsible?

As the man responsible for the spread of communism in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Ho Chi Minh is directly and indirectly responsible for the lives of 1.7 million Cambodians,12 2 million Vietnamese and possibly 230,000 in Laos. These are not war dead, but people murdered, starved to death and “reeducated” to death.
Who Was Ho Chi Minh? A Deceitful Mass Murderer.

Some of the things YOUR hero Ho Chi did!

The village chief and his wife were distraught. One of their children, a seven-year-old boy, had been missing for four days. They were terrified, they explained to Marine Lt. Gen. Lewis W. Walt, because they believed he had been captured by the Vietcong.
Suddenly, the boy came out of the jungle and ran across the rice paddies toward the village. He was crying. His mother ran to him and swept him up in her arms. Both of his hands had been cut off, and there was a sign around his neck, a message to his father: if he or any one else in the village dared go to the polls during the upcoming elections, something worse would happen to the rest of his children.

The VC delivered a similar warning to the residents of a hamlet not far from Danang.
All were herded before the home of their chief. While they and the chief’s pregnant wife and four children were forced to look on, the chief’s tongue was cut out.
Then his genital organs were sliced off and sewn inside his bloody mouth.
As he died, the VC went to work on his wife, slashing open her womb.
Then, the nine-year-old son: a bamboo lance was rammed through one ear and out the other.
Two more of the chief’s children were murdered the same way. The VC did not harm the five-year-old daughter — not physically: they simply left her crying, holding her dead mother’s hand.
The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

AND YOU have the absolute gall! Stupidity! To bring up an non-issue as you did?
People like you are truly disgusting and honestly to be pitied. You know you would have been probably one of the first people the VC under Ho Chi Minh would have had their
way with as the above describe. And I would truly felt sorry for you that you had the evil thoughts you did about our military that went there for one damn REASON!
The USA signed a TREATY! An Agreement. A legal document known as SEATO! South East Asia Treaty Organization. Modeled after NATO and the people of Vietnam
were members of SEATO and wanted to be helped against the INVASION by China into Vietnam.
Idiots like you probably would have been just like Ho Chi Minh... ignoring the will of the people!

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt

Diem’s security forces cracked down on Viet Minh sympathizers in the south, whom he derisively called Viet Cong (or Vietnamese Communist), arresting some 100,000 people, many of whom were brutally tortured and executed.

By 1957, the Viet Cong and other opponents of Diem’s repressive regime began fighting back

Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com

Diem's response to a massive uprising by the country's Buddhist majority population, which finally became fed up with Diem's anti-Buddhist views and policies. Diem's brutal crackdown against the demonstrators kept him in power for another few months. But it also convinced the United States that Diem would never be able to rally his people against the Communist threat.

Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

Prehistorically, Inferior Races Were Driven Into the Jungle

The winners were those who force us to believe that racism is morally wrong. Otherwise, sensible people would have opposed fighting a war to save a bunch of worthless gooks.

In fact, Vice President Humphrey even accused the war protesters of racism. They weren't (they were richkids who hated the working-class troops), but White Pride should have been protesting and been proud of it.

 

[evenflow1969]

We always say that "power leads to corruption" and always blame "feudal emperor dictatorship and autocracy". Then, after the emperor to overthrow the "richest businessman, politician, strategist and writer of the interests of the solid union" inevitable political culture to the world economy is the most important social resources form the monopoly power.
If they are not responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters that have occurred over the centuries, who else is responsible?

Well here are 200 million deaths attributed to these 13 people.
1. Mao Zedong China Death toll: 45 million to 75 million
2. Joseph Stalin USSR Death toll: 40 million to 62 million
3. Adolf Hitler Germany Death toll: 17 million to 20 million
4. Chiang Kai-Shek China Death toll: 10 million
5. Hirohito Japan Death toll: 6 million
6. Vladimir Lenin USSR Death toll: 4 million
7. Tojo Hideki Japan Death toll: 4 million
8. Yahya Khan Pakistan Death toll: 2 million to 12 million
9. Saddam Hussein Iraq Death toll: 2 million
10. Pol Pot Cambodia Death toll: 1.7 million to 2.4 million
11. Ho Chi Minh North Vietnam Death toll: 1.7 million
12. Kim Il Sung North Korea Death toll: 1.6 million
13. Enver Pasha Turkey Death toll: 1.1 million to 2.5 million
Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, & More: 13 Deadliest Dictators (Photos)

We always say, "history is written by the victors." most of them are dead today. You can put any blame on them.
But how many people died from the SINS of traders such as "sheep eat human flesh", "hired labor", "white contractual slaves" and "indians killed"? Early European industrialization; The contract workers were all children of several years old, and few of them lived beyond the age of 11.
Of the 36, 000 textile workers in silesia, Germany alone, thousands have died of hunger.
The famine of 1842 in Germany left 6,000 people dead in silesia alone.
In the United States of 1896, the three giants were worth $1 trillion today, living like emperors. But 90 percent of americans live on less than a dollar a month. Every year, one in 11 workers dies from work-related injuries.
These are real history.

That's pure horseshit. How is capitalism responsible for starvation the famine of 1842 in Germany? Capitalism eliminated famines. The only place you find famines since the industrial revolution is in socialist countries. Who are "the three giants?" Your claim that "Every year, one in 11 workers dies from work-related injuries." That means that in 11 years every single worker would be dead. Where did you get this "information," from a comic book?

Wow, take some math classes on percentages, you look stupid and the winners and agrees look stupid. If you make me explain I am going to think even less of you! Hint look at formula for calculating interest!

 

[healthmyths]

FACTS regarding worker deaths!

How many people work in the USA in 2017? 125,970,000
U.S.: Number of full-time workers 1990-2017 | Statista

How many people killed on the job in 2016?
5,190 workers were killed on the job in 2016 [Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries Summary, 2016] (3.6 per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers) — on average, more than 99 a week or more than 14 deaths every day.
U.S.: Number of full-time workers 1990-2017 | Statista

So divide 125,970,000 by 5,190 and you get 1 death out of 24,271 or 0.00412%

FACTS...easy to come by!

 

[harmonica]

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
View attachment 198466

how old are you?? 14?
...considering the US had naval and air superiority, and the HUGE advantage of helicopter mobility, the NVA did very well
...the military that fought over there even knew it was all a big waste---that's one of the reasons we lost--no horse in the race/no motivation to win/etc

so what if Vietnam is communist????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
it means NOTHING to the US!!!

 

[dszb]

Who is responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters over the centuries?

The State...It sends young men to die horribly in its wars, has outright murdered innumerable civilians with its social tinkering and meddling, has prevented those who would help people in dire need from doing so, impedes all who would flee its tyranny from doing so.

No entity, in all of human history, has imposed more pain, misery, anguish, and death on the populace of the world than The State.

Scrooge's Scapegoat

The private-sector 1% directs the State. With their media-megaphoned anti-GUBMINT rants, the plutocrats want to trick us into running to them for relief from their secretly wholly owned subsidiary, the State.

It's exactly the opposite...The State charters corporations, and uses its monopoly on the use of proactive aggressive force to extend to them limited legal liabilities and other privileges...In return, the "private sector 1%" lavishes The State with billions of dollars in tribute.

The State is still king, and multi-national corporations are their toadies.

The Monopoly Directing the Duopoly

Richloving traitors hate their Daddies for not getting rich and spoiling them. Your slurping, bootlicking excuses for being bossed around by plutocratic parasites and your slavish claim that the government owns them rather than the other way around show a pathetic quest for imaginary father figures. Your imaginary brothers through adoption, the entitled sons of these predatory-economics thieves, took over Liberal government and purposely made it offensive. Deep down, your Preppy Progressives don't believe in one word of their agenda; its effect of making us choose economic subservience rather than put up with those spoiled bossy creeps proves that the agenda was designed to do exactly that.

The State didn't appear out of thin air. It was put there by the only ones with the power, money, and influence to set up such a puppet
opera.

Is the king not a puppet of multinational corporations?

 

[dszb]

Who is responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters over the centuries?

The State...It sends young men to die horribly in its wars, has outright murdered innumerable civilians with its social tinkering and meddling, has prevented those who would help people in dire need from doing so, impedes all who would flee its tyranny from doing so.

No entity, in all of human history, has imposed more pain, misery, anguish, and death on the populace of the world than The State.

Scrooge's Scapegoat

The private-sector 1% directs the State. With their media-megaphoned anti-GUBMINT rants, the plutocrats want to trick us into running to them for relief from their secretly wholly owned subsidiary, the State.

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Scrambled Eggheads

Being an intellectual has as little to do with being intelligent as being a sportswriter has to do with being athletic.

Why should we tolerate the rule of black capital when we can overthrow the imperial power and the theological power?
Once black capital has mastered the economic lifeline, media, judicial and other important projects, it will be far more evil than the emperor.
What "sheep eat people", child labor, white contract slaves and so on are the SINS of black capital.
"The great chaos is the cure for the world's problems" ~ China's late qing dynasty.詹大悲。

 

[dszb]

Scrambled Eggheads

Being an intellectual has as little to do with being intelligent as being a sportswriter has to do with being athletic.

Being a progressive has as much to do with progress as Ted Kennedy had to do with sobriety.

"People in the world are sleeping, only I am awake, so I have to choose death" ~ China's warring states period·屈原。

 

[dszb]

Scrambled Eggheads

Being an intellectual has as little to do with being intelligent as being a sportswriter has to do with being athletic.

Being a progressive has as much to do with progress as Ted Kennedy had to do with sobriety.

Kennedy was a sober man, but the world couldn't stand a sober one.
"People in the world are sleeping, only I am awake, so I have to choose death" ~ China's warring states period·屈原。

 

[dszb]

FACTS regarding worker deaths!

How many people work in the USA in 2017? 125,970,000
U.S.: Number of full-time workers 1990-2017 | Statista

How many people killed on the job in 2016?
5,190 workers were killed on the job in 2016 [Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries Summary, 2016] (3.6 per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers) — on average, more than 99 a week or more than 14 deaths every day.
U.S.: Number of full-time workers 1990-2017 | Statista

So divide 125,970,000 by 5,190 and you get 1 death out of 24,271 or 0.00412%

FACTS...easy to come by!

Today's American workers are treated much better than they were a few decades ago, but this is by no means a charity given to workers by the rich.
A hundred years ago America could shoot striking workers. The reason for the workers' strike was that they wanted "enough money to support their families". This is the origin of May 1 labor day.
If there were no communist propagandists in the world, workers would certainly be treated the way they were a hundred years ago.

 

[dszb]

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
View attachment 198466

More than 56,000 military personnel have died, more than 300,000 have been injured and more than 400 billion dollars have been spent, leaving the United States with a crippling trauma
That is the price of democratic values. Did America have no choice?
That's because "American politicians got a bribe from the regime in southern Vietnam".

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Duh! Easy Peasy !

Who caused it?

Your Basic Human Unit of course

 

[healthmyths]

FACTS regarding worker deaths!

How many people work in the USA in 2017? 125,970,000
U.S.: Number of full-time workers 1990-2017 | Statista

How many people killed on the job in 2016?
5,190 workers were killed on the job in 2016 [Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries Summary, 2016] (3.6 per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers) — on average, more than 99 a week or more than 14 deaths every day.
U.S.: Number of full-time workers 1990-2017 | Statista

So divide 125,970,000 by 5,190 and you get 1 death out of 24,271 or 0.00412%

FACTS...easy to come by!

Today's American workers are treated much better than they were a few decades ago, but this is by no means a charity given to workers by the rich.
A hundred years ago America could shoot striking workers. The reason for the workers' strike was that they wanted "enough money to support their families". This is the origin of May 1 labor day.
If there were no communist propagandists in the world, workers would certainly be treated the way they were a hundred years ago.

OK where are your facts? Because using YOUR timeline a few decades ago.. let's agree 1980- 1994 years OK???

From 1980 through 1994, a total of 88,622 civilian workers died in the United States from occupational injuries, an average of 16 work-related deaths per day
That works out to 14 years AGREE?
Divide 88,622 by 14 years: GUESS WHAT??? That works out to 6,330 per year.
Fatal Occupational Injuries -- United States, 1980-1994
Now as far as communists/labor unions...
Have you ever paid labor union dues LIKE I had to?

Labor Unions Step Up Presidential-Election Spending

Organized labor spent a record $1.7 billion on politics and lobbying during the 2016 election cycle,
with the vast majority of money coming from member dues and supporting Democrats.
Labor Spent $1.7 Billion on Politics in 2016, Mostly for Dems - Washington Free Beacon

ALL from FORCED labor union DUES paid by people that didn't want their dues to go to Democrats!

USE OF MEMBER MONEY FOR POLITICS IS UNPOPULAR AND MISUNDERSTOOD

• 68 percent of registered voters say they are concerned that public employee unions have too much influence over politicians who, when elected, must negotiate with these groups. (FOX News Poll conducted by Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) | March 14-16, 2011)
• 66 percent of government and private union employees say it is unreasonable that union leaders across America can spend their dues on politics without getting their approval. (The Word Doctors | October 26-28, 2010)
• 89 percent of private and government union employees agree that union workers should have the right to know how their dues money is being spent and believe the Department of Labor should disclose union spending on the Internet to ensure accountability. (The Word Doctors | October 26-28, 2010)
• 89 percent of private and government union employees agree that union workers should have the right to know how their dues money is being spent and believe the Department of Labor should disclose union spending on the Internet to ensure accountability. (The Word Doctors | October 26-28, 2010)
• 69 percent of private and government union employees believe union officials need to stop spending union dues on partisan politics and invest it in creating more jobs, as well as focus on the membership, not the elections. (The Word Doctors | October 26-28, 2010)
• Use of members’ money for political goals was second only to corruption as the reasons Americansdisapproved of unions, according to a 2004 Zogby poll.
  • That poll also found that 63 percent of all employees, and 61 percent of unionized employees, agreed that union members shouldn’t be forced to contribute.
• A McLaughlin & Associates poll indicated that 67 percent of workers were unaware of their right to withhold mandatory dues for politics.
• Union Facts | Use of Dues for Politics

 

[healthmyths]

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
View attachment 198466

More than 56,000 military personnel have died, more than 300,000 have been injured and more than 400 billion dollars have been spent, leaving the United States with a crippling trauma
That is the price of democratic values. Did America have no choice?
That's because "American politicians got a bribe from the regime in southern Vietnam".

OH my goodness! Talk about tin-foil hat statements! "American politicians got a bribe from the regime in southern Vietnam"
Please prove with FACTS... NO FACTS to that really dumb statement! Prove it!

 

[dszb]

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

China, the United States, north Korea and South Korea all suffered in that war. The Soviet union got some profit. The biggest benefit is Taiwan. Without the Korean war, China would be united.
In fact, this is the result of song meiling's "money diplomacy" and "skin and flesh diplomacy" against the United States.

 

[MaryL]

We always say that "power leads to corruption" and always blame "feudal emperor dictatorship and autocracy". Then, after the emperor to overthrow the "richest businessman, politician, strategist and writer of the interests of the solid union" inevitable political culture to the world economy is the most important social resources form the monopoly power.
If they are not responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters that have occurred over the centuries, who else is responsible?

Um, men? And aren't they so full of righteous indignation about not getting their bloody way?

 

[dszb]

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt
Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com
Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

Right!
I brought four sons to your house to kill your eight sons, and my four sons died. Is this my victory?

 

[healthmyths]

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
View attachment 198466

how old are you?? 14?
...considering the US had naval and air superiority, and the HUGE advantage of helicopter mobility, the NVA did very well
...the military that fought over there even knew it was all a big waste---that's one of the reasons we lost--no horse in the race/no motivation to win/etc

so what if Vietnam is communist????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
it means NOTHING to the US!!!

And HOW NAIVE you must be at YOUR age!
Are you telling me that the VietCong et.al. didn't LOVE hearing what people like Kerry said about our troops? That's music to their ears! IT is called PROPAGANDA!
And Kerry, Jane Fonda and all of you truly disgusting ANTI-American idiots were the pawns of those people!
The military didn't lose the war! The war was pissed away by traitors obviously of YOUR bent who wanted the USA to crawl away like groveling dogs...i.e. read
Cronkite's statement:
The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."
And that was what these truly dummies like you wanted!
How dumb must you be to not recognize when you praise the enemy and deride your own troops... that encourages the enemy to kill more Americans and our troops
are truly demoralized by the idiots like you that sing the praises of the bad guys!

It is so frigging obvious that dupes like you caused the politicians to remove the funding and all the while the VietCong, et.al. got stronger because DUMMIES LIKE YOU
WERE CHEERING FOR THEM!

 

[dszb]

Why is it you dumb shits have to think the USA troops that protect your fat butts are responsible?

As the man responsible for the spread of communism in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Ho Chi Minh is directly and indirectly responsible for the lives of 1.7 million Cambodians,12 2 million Vietnamese and possibly 230,000 in Laos. These are not war dead, but people murdered, starved to death and “reeducated” to death.
Who Was Ho Chi Minh? A Deceitful Mass Murderer.

Some of the things YOUR hero Ho Chi did!

The village chief and his wife were distraught. One of their children, a seven-year-old boy, had been missing for four days. They were terrified, they explained to Marine Lt. Gen. Lewis W. Walt, because they believed he had been captured by the Vietcong.
Suddenly, the boy came out of the jungle and ran across the rice paddies toward the village. He was crying. His mother ran to him and swept him up in her arms. Both of his hands had been cut off, and there was a sign around his neck, a message to his father: if he or any one else in the village dared go to the polls during the upcoming elections, something worse would happen to the rest of his children.

The VC delivered a similar warning to the residents of a hamlet not far from Danang.
All were herded before the home of their chief. While they and the chief’s pregnant wife and four children were forced to look on, the chief’s tongue was cut out.
Then his genital organs were sliced off and sewn inside his bloody mouth.
As he died, the VC went to work on his wife, slashing open her womb.
Then, the nine-year-old son: a bamboo lance was rammed through one ear and out the other.
Two more of the chief’s children were murdered the same way. The VC did not harm the five-year-old daughter — not physically: they simply left her crying, holding her dead mother’s hand.
The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

AND YOU have the absolute gall! Stupidity! To bring up an non-issue as you did?
People like you are truly disgusting and honestly to be pitied. You know you would have been probably one of the first people the VC under Ho Chi Minh would have had their
way with as the above describe. And I would truly felt sorry for you that you had the evil thoughts you did about our military that went there for one damn REASON!
The USA signed a TREATY! An Agreement. A legal document known as SEATO! South East Asia Treaty Organization. Modeled after NATO and the people of Vietnam
were members of SEATO and wanted to be helped against the INVASION by China into Vietnam.
Idiots like you probably would have been just like Ho Chi Minh... ignoring the will of the people!

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt

Diem’s security forces cracked down on Viet Minh sympathizers in the south, whom he derisively called Viet Cong (or Vietnamese Communist), arresting some 100,000 people, many of whom were brutally tortured and executed.

By 1957, the Viet Cong and other opponents of Diem’s repressive regime began fighting back

Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com

Diem's response to a massive uprising by the country's Buddhist majority population, which finally became fed up with Diem's anti-Buddhist views and policies. Diem's brutal crackdown against the demonstrators kept him in power for another few months. But it also convinced the United States that Diem would never be able to rally his people against the Communist threat.

Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

American arms dealers won the war

 

[healthmyths]

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

Right!
I brought four sons to your house to kill your eight sons, and my four sons died. Is this my victory?

What a dumb comment!

 

[healthmyths]

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt
Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com
Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

American arms dealers won the war

Prove it! I put links up to support my statements. YOU? You just blow crap out of your mouth with no logic. No common sense. Tell me what ARMs dealers won the war dummy?