Who is responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters over the centuries?

[koshergrl]

We always say that "power leads to corruption" and always blame "feudal emperor dictatorship and autocracy". Then, after the emperor to overthrow the "richest businessman, politician, strategist and writer of the interests of the solid union" inevitable political culture to the world economy is the most important social resources form the monopoly power.
If they are not responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters that have occurred over the centuries, who else is responsible?

Well here are 200 million deaths attributed to these 13 people.
1. Mao Zedong China Death toll: 45 million to 75 million
2. Joseph Stalin USSR Death toll: 40 million to 62 million
3. Adolf Hitler Germany Death toll: 17 million to 20 million
4. Chiang Kai-Shek China Death toll: 10 million
5. Hirohito Japan Death toll: 6 million
6. Vladimir Lenin USSR Death toll: 4 million
7. Tojo Hideki Japan Death toll: 4 million
8. Yahya Khan Pakistan Death toll: 2 million to 12 million
9. Saddam Hussein Iraq Death toll: 2 million
10. Pol Pot Cambodia Death toll: 1.7 million to 2.4 million
11. Ho Chi Minh North Vietnam Death toll: 1.7 million
12. Kim Il Sung North Korea Death toll: 1.6 million
13. Enver Pasha Turkey Death toll: 1.1 million to 2.5 million
Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, & More: 13 Deadliest Dictators (Photos)

We always say, "history is written by the victors." most of them are dead today. You can put any blame on them.
But how many people died from the SINS of traders such as "sheep eat human flesh", "hired labor", "white contractual slaves" and "indians killed"? Early European industrialization; The contract workers were all children of several years old, and few of them lived beyond the age of 11.
Of the 36, 000 textile workers in silesia, Germany alone, thousands have died of hunger.
The famine of 1842 in Germany left 6,000 people dead in silesia alone.
In the United States of 1896, the three giants were worth $1 trillion today, living like emperors. But 90 percent of americans live on less than a dollar a month. Every year, one in 11 workers dies from work-related injuries.
These are real history.

Hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Oddball]

The Monopoly Directing the Duopoly

Richloving traitors hate their Daddies for not getting rich and spoiling them. Your slurping, bootlicking excuses for being bossed around by plutocratic parasites and your slavish claim that the government owns them rather than the other way around show a pathetic quest for imaginary father figures. Your imaginary brothers through adoption, the entitled sons of these predatory-economics thieves, took over Liberal government and purposely made it offensive. Deep down, your Preppy Progressives don't believe in one word of their agenda; its effect of making us choose economic subservience rather than put up with those spoiled bossy creeps proves that the agenda was designed to do exactly that.

The State didn't appear out of thin air. It was put there by the only ones with the power, money, and influence to set up such a puppet
opera.

I'm an anarcho-capitalist, fuckwit....Mebby you should gather some more information before you go on another one of your unhinged spittle spewing rants about nothing.

 

[TNHarley]

We always say that "power leads to corruption" and always blame "feudal emperor dictatorship and autocracy". Then, after the emperor to overthrow the "richest businessman, politician, strategist and writer of the interests of the solid union" inevitable political culture to the world economy is the most important social resources form the monopoly power.
If they are not responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters that have occurred over the centuries, who else is responsible?

Central govts with too much power.

 

[Oddball]

Central govts with too much power.

Any power is too much...They've proved this time and again.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Who is responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters over the centuries?

The State...It sends young men to die horribly in its wars, has outright murdered innumerable civilians with its social tinkering and meddling, has prevented those who would help people in dire need from doing so, impedes all who would flee its tyranny from doing so.

No entity, in all of human history, has imposed more pain, misery, anguish, and death on the populace of the world than The State.

Scrooge's Scapegoat

The private-sector 1% directs the State. With their media-megaphoned anti-GUBMINT rants, the plutocrats want to trick us into running to them for relief from their secretly wholly owned subsidiary, the State.

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Lick Their Boots and Wag Your Tail

Most people don't care about getting weaker. As long as the Masters pat them on the head and tell them they're a good boy, they are pathetically satisfied.

Why should we tolerate the rule of the dark forces of capital when we can overthrow the imperial rule and the theological rule?
Once the dark forces have mastered the economic lifeline, media, justice and other important projects, they will be far more evil than the emperor.
What "sheep can eat human flesh", miserable child labor, white indentured slaves and so on are the SINS of the dark forces of capital.
"Chaos is the cure for the world." ~ China late qing dynasty·詹大悲。View attachment 197735

The darkest unseen force is that that the sons of Capitalists, at least those with Daddy issues, started and lead all Socialist forces. Else why didn't they hand over ownership to workers' and peasants' co-ops? Equal shares and vote on different salaries. No, to prove that all along they had the attitudes of unearned hereditary supremacy, the Communist Party members became the new Capitalists.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Isn't the phrase "humanitarian disaster" an oxymoron?

What Them Be Teached in Jurinalism Skule

Don't parrot the On-Air Airheads' ignorant and dysfunctional English. What they tell you "oxymoron" means is totally wrong. If they hadn't been so conceited and involved in a silly youth revolt, they would have found out that the term Old School newsmen used for that was "a contradiction in terms." Their fake meaning also shows their laziness in not wanting to use so many syllables.

Another example of the inferiority of these Diploma Dumbos is that they think that just because oxymoron sounds like something said by a moron, it must be a pejorative term. To truly educated people, the self-educated, oxymoron is actually a clever phrase that sounds like a contradiction, but only if different meanings of the words were implied. Examples are: "boneless ribs, donut holes, less is more, creative destruction, or my own coinage, 'antiseptic pollution.'"

Under "economic law", a diploma does not equate to character.
Beggars can often help victims.
Gentlemen can only be "pigs fed by citizens".

More Proof of Which Side You Help the Most

Beggars are not the opposite of the plutocrats. In order to get normal people to support the rich instead of the worthless mooching poor, your gurus purposely tell you to make that false division.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Monopoly Directing the Duopoly

Richloving traitors hate their Daddies for not getting rich and spoiling them. Your slurping, bootlicking excuses for being bossed around by plutocratic parasites and your slavish claim that the government owns them rather than the other way around show a pathetic quest for imaginary father figures. Your imaginary brothers through adoption, the entitled sons of these predatory-economics thieves, took over Liberal government and purposely made it offensive. Deep down, your Preppy Progressives don't believe in one word of their agenda; its effect of making us choose economic subservience rather than put up with those spoiled bossy creeps proves that the agenda was designed to do exactly that.

The State didn't appear out of thin air. It was put there by the only ones with the power, money, and influence to set up such a puppet
opera.

another one of your unhinged spittle spewing rants about nothing.

Brownnosing Buttboys for the Bosses

At least I don't waste my saliva licking the boots of GreedHead economic sadists.

 

[harmonica]

We always say that "power leads to corruption" and always blame "feudal emperor dictatorship and autocracy". Then, after the emperor to overthrow the "richest businessman, politician, strategist and writer of the interests of the solid union" inevitable political culture to the world economy is the most important social resources form the monopoly power.
If they are not responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters that have occurred over the centuries, who else is responsible?

Well here are 200 million deaths attributed to these 13 people.
1. Mao Zedong China Death toll: 45 million to 75 million
2. Joseph Stalin USSR Death toll: 40 million to 62 million
3. Adolf Hitler Germany Death toll: 17 million to 20 million
4. Chiang Kai-Shek China Death toll: 10 million
5. Hirohito Japan Death toll: 6 million
6. Vladimir Lenin USSR Death toll: 4 million
7. Tojo Hideki Japan Death toll: 4 million
8. Yahya Khan Pakistan Death toll: 2 million to 12 million
9. Saddam Hussein Iraq Death toll: 2 million
10. Pol Pot Cambodia Death toll: 1.7 million to 2.4 million
11. Ho Chi Minh North Vietnam Death toll: 1.7 million
12. Kim Il Sung North Korea Death toll: 1.6 million
13. Enver Pasha Turkey Death toll: 1.1 million to 2.5 million
Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, & More: 13 Deadliest Dictators (Photos)

does the Ho Chi Minh include deaths by the US or not??

 

[healthmyths]

We always say that "power leads to corruption" and always blame "feudal emperor dictatorship and autocracy". Then, after the emperor to overthrow the "richest businessman, politician, strategist and writer of the interests of the solid union" inevitable political culture to the world economy is the most important social resources form the monopoly power.
If they are not responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters that have occurred over the centuries, who else is responsible?

Well here are 200 million deaths attributed to these 13 people.
1. Mao Zedong China Death toll: 45 million to 75 million
2. Joseph Stalin USSR Death toll: 40 million to 62 million
3. Adolf Hitler Germany Death toll: 17 million to 20 million
4. Chiang Kai-Shek China Death toll: 10 million
5. Hirohito Japan Death toll: 6 million
6. Vladimir Lenin USSR Death toll: 4 million
7. Tojo Hideki Japan Death toll: 4 million
8. Yahya Khan Pakistan Death toll: 2 million to 12 million
9. Saddam Hussein Iraq Death toll: 2 million
10. Pol Pot Cambodia Death toll: 1.7 million to 2.4 million
11. Ho Chi Minh North Vietnam Death toll: 1.7 million
12. Kim Il Sung North Korea Death toll: 1.6 million
13. Enver Pasha Turkey Death toll: 1.1 million to 2.5 million
Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, & More: 13 Deadliest Dictators (Photos)

does the Ho Chi Minh include deaths by the US or not??

Why is it you dumb shits have to think the USA troops that protect your fat butts are responsible?

As the man responsible for the spread of communism in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Ho Chi Minh is directly and indirectly responsible for the lives of 1.7 million Cambodians,12 2 million Vietnamese and possibly 230,000 in Laos. These are not war dead, but people murdered, starved to death and “reeducated” to death.
Who Was Ho Chi Minh? A Deceitful Mass Murderer.

Some of the things YOUR hero Ho Chi did!

The village chief and his wife were distraught. One of their children, a seven-year-old boy, had been missing for four days. They were terrified, they explained to Marine Lt. Gen. Lewis W. Walt, because they believed he had been captured by the Vietcong.
Suddenly, the boy came out of the jungle and ran across the rice paddies toward the village. He was crying. His mother ran to him and swept him up in her arms. Both of his hands had been cut off, and there was a sign around his neck, a message to his father: if he or any one else in the village dared go to the polls during the upcoming elections, something worse would happen to the rest of his children.

The VC delivered a similar warning to the residents of a hamlet not far from Danang.
All were herded before the home of their chief. While they and the chief’s pregnant wife and four children were forced to look on, the chief’s tongue was cut out.
Then his genital organs were sliced off and sewn inside his bloody mouth.
As he died, the VC went to work on his wife, slashing open her womb.
Then, the nine-year-old son: a bamboo lance was rammed through one ear and out the other.
Two more of the chief’s children were murdered the same way. The VC did not harm the five-year-old daughter — not physically: they simply left her crying, holding her dead mother’s hand.
The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

AND YOU have the absolute gall! Stupidity! To bring up an non-issue as you did?
People like you are truly disgusting and honestly to be pitied. You know you would have been probably one of the first people the VC under Ho Chi Minh would have had their
way with as the above describe. And I would truly felt sorry for you that you had the evil thoughts you did about our military that went there for one damn REASON!
The USA signed a TREATY! An Agreement. A legal document known as SEATO! South East Asia Treaty Organization. Modeled after NATO and the people of Vietnam
were members of SEATO and wanted to be helped against the INVASION by China into Vietnam.
Idiots like you probably would have been just like Ho Chi Minh... ignoring the will of the people!

 

[harmonica]

We always say that "power leads to corruption" and always blame "feudal emperor dictatorship and autocracy". Then, after the emperor to overthrow the "richest businessman, politician, strategist and writer of the interests of the solid union" inevitable political culture to the world economy is the most important social resources form the monopoly power.
If they are not responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters that have occurred over the centuries, who else is responsible?

Well here are 200 million deaths attributed to these 13 people.
1. Mao Zedong China Death toll: 45 million to 75 million
2. Joseph Stalin USSR Death toll: 40 million to 62 million
3. Adolf Hitler Germany Death toll: 17 million to 20 million
4. Chiang Kai-Shek China Death toll: 10 million
5. Hirohito Japan Death toll: 6 million
6. Vladimir Lenin USSR Death toll: 4 million
7. Tojo Hideki Japan Death toll: 4 million
8. Yahya Khan Pakistan Death toll: 2 million to 12 million
9. Saddam Hussein Iraq Death toll: 2 million
10. Pol Pot Cambodia Death toll: 1.7 million to 2.4 million
11. Ho Chi Minh North Vietnam Death toll: 1.7 million
12. Kim Il Sung North Korea Death toll: 1.6 million
13. Enver Pasha Turkey Death toll: 1.1 million to 2.5 million
Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, & More: 13 Deadliest Dictators (Photos)

does the Ho Chi Minh include deaths by the US or not??

Why is it you dumb shits have to think the USA troops that protect your fat butts are responsible?

As the man responsible for the spread of communism in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Ho Chi Minh is directly and indirectly responsible for the lives of 1.7 million Cambodians,12 2 million Vietnamese and possibly 230,000 in Laos. These are not war dead, but people murdered, starved to death and “reeducated” to death.
Who Was Ho Chi Minh? A Deceitful Mass Murderer.

Some of the things YOUR hero Ho Chi did!

The village chief and his wife were distraught. One of their children, a seven-year-old boy, had been missing for four days. They were terrified, they explained to Marine Lt. Gen. Lewis W. Walt, because they believed he had been captured by the Vietcong.
Suddenly, the boy came out of the jungle and ran across the rice paddies toward the village. He was crying. His mother ran to him and swept him up in her arms. Both of his hands had been cut off, and there was a sign around his neck, a message to his father: if he or any one else in the village dared go to the polls during the upcoming elections, something worse would happen to the rest of his children.

The VC delivered a similar warning to the residents of a hamlet not far from Danang.
All were herded before the home of their chief. While they and the chief’s pregnant wife and four children were forced to look on, the chief’s tongue was cut out.
Then his genital organs were sliced off and sewn inside his bloody mouth.
As he died, the VC went to work on his wife, slashing open her womb.
Then, the nine-year-old son: a bamboo lance was rammed through one ear and out the other.
Two more of the chief’s children were murdered the same way. The VC did not harm the five-year-old daughter — not physically: they simply left her crying, holding her dead mother’s hand.
The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

AND YOU have the absolute gall! Stupidity! To bring up an non-issue as you did?
People like you are truly disgusting and honestly to be pitied. You know you would have been probably one of the first people the VC under Ho Chi Minh would have had their
way with as the above describe. And I would truly felt sorry for you that you had the evil thoughts you did about our military that went there for one damn REASON!
The USA signed a TREATY! An Agreement. A legal document known as SEATO! South East Asia Treaty Organization. Modeled after NATO and the people of Vietnam
were members of SEATO and wanted to be helped against the INVASION by China into Vietnam.
Idiots like you probably would have been just like Ho Chi Minh... ignoring the will of the people!

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt

Diem’s security forces cracked down on Viet Minh sympathizers in the south, whom he derisively called Viet Cong (or Vietnamese Communist), arresting some 100,000 people, many of whom were brutally tortured and executed.

By 1957, the Viet Cong and other opponents of Diem’s repressive regime began fighting back

Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com

Diem's response to a massive uprising by the country's Buddhist majority population, which finally became fed up with Diem's anti-Buddhist views and policies. Diem's brutal crackdown against the demonstrators kept him in power for another few months. But it also convinced the United States that Diem would never be able to rally his people against the Communist threat.

Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

 

[healthmyths]

We always say that "power leads to corruption" and always blame "feudal emperor dictatorship and autocracy". Then, after the emperor to overthrow the "richest businessman, politician, strategist and writer of the interests of the solid union" inevitable political culture to the world economy is the most important social resources form the monopoly power.
If they are not responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters that have occurred over the centuries, who else is responsible?

Well here are 200 million deaths attributed to these 13 people.
1. Mao Zedong China Death toll: 45 million to 75 million
2. Joseph Stalin USSR Death toll: 40 million to 62 million
3. Adolf Hitler Germany Death toll: 17 million to 20 million
4. Chiang Kai-Shek China Death toll: 10 million
5. Hirohito Japan Death toll: 6 million
6. Vladimir Lenin USSR Death toll: 4 million
7. Tojo Hideki Japan Death toll: 4 million
8. Yahya Khan Pakistan Death toll: 2 million to 12 million
9. Saddam Hussein Iraq Death toll: 2 million
10. Pol Pot Cambodia Death toll: 1.7 million to 2.4 million
11. Ho Chi Minh North Vietnam Death toll: 1.7 million
12. Kim Il Sung North Korea Death toll: 1.6 million
13. Enver Pasha Turkey Death toll: 1.1 million to 2.5 million
Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, & More: 13 Deadliest Dictators (Photos)

does the Ho Chi Minh include deaths by the US or not??

Why is it you dumb shits have to think the USA troops that protect your fat butts are responsible?

As the man responsible for the spread of communism in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Ho Chi Minh is directly and indirectly responsible for the lives of 1.7 million Cambodians,12 2 million Vietnamese and possibly 230,000 in Laos. These are not war dead, but people murdered, starved to death and “reeducated” to death.
Who Was Ho Chi Minh? A Deceitful Mass Murderer.

Some of the things YOUR hero Ho Chi did!

The village chief and his wife were distraught. One of their children, a seven-year-old boy, had been missing for four days. They were terrified, they explained to Marine Lt. Gen. Lewis W. Walt, because they believed he had been captured by the Vietcong.
Suddenly, the boy came out of the jungle and ran across the rice paddies toward the village. He was crying. His mother ran to him and swept him up in her arms. Both of his hands had been cut off, and there was a sign around his neck, a message to his father: if he or any one else in the village dared go to the polls during the upcoming elections, something worse would happen to the rest of his children.

The VC delivered a similar warning to the residents of a hamlet not far from Danang.
All were herded before the home of their chief. While they and the chief’s pregnant wife and four children were forced to look on, the chief’s tongue was cut out.
Then his genital organs were sliced off and sewn inside his bloody mouth.
As he died, the VC went to work on his wife, slashing open her womb.
Then, the nine-year-old son: a bamboo lance was rammed through one ear and out the other.
Two more of the chief’s children were murdered the same way. The VC did not harm the five-year-old daughter — not physically: they simply left her crying, holding her dead mother’s hand.
The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

AND YOU have the absolute gall! Stupidity! To bring up an non-issue as you did?
People like you are truly disgusting and honestly to be pitied. You know you would have been probably one of the first people the VC under Ho Chi Minh would have had their
way with as the above describe. And I would truly felt sorry for you that you had the evil thoughts you did about our military that went there for one damn REASON!
The USA signed a TREATY! An Agreement. A legal document known as SEATO! South East Asia Treaty Organization. Modeled after NATO and the people of Vietnam
were members of SEATO and wanted to be helped against the INVASION by China into Vietnam.
Idiots like you probably would have been just like Ho Chi Minh... ignoring the will of the people!

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt

Diem’s security forces cracked down on Viet Minh sympathizers in the south, whom he derisively called Viet Cong (or Vietnamese Communist), arresting some 100,000 people, many of whom were brutally tortured and executed.

By 1957, the Viet Cong and other opponents of Diem’s repressive regime began fighting back

Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com

Diem's response to a massive uprising by the country's Buddhist majority population, which finally became fed up with Diem's anti-Buddhist views and policies. Diem's brutal crackdown against the demonstrators kept him in power for another few months. But it also convinced the United States that Diem would never be able to rally his people against the Communist threat.

Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We always say that "power leads to corruption" and always blame "feudal emperor dictatorship and autocracy". Then, after the emperor to overthrow the "richest businessman, politician, strategist and writer of the interests of the solid union" inevitable political culture to the world economy is the most important social resources form the monopoly power.
If they are not responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters that have occurred over the centuries, who else is responsible?

Well here are 200 million deaths attributed to these 13 people.
1. Mao Zedong China Death toll: 45 million to 75 million
2. Joseph Stalin USSR Death toll: 40 million to 62 million
3. Adolf Hitler Germany Death toll: 17 million to 20 million
4. Chiang Kai-Shek China Death toll: 10 million
5. Hirohito Japan Death toll: 6 million
6. Vladimir Lenin USSR Death toll: 4 million
7. Tojo Hideki Japan Death toll: 4 million
8. Yahya Khan Pakistan Death toll: 2 million to 12 million
9. Saddam Hussein Iraq Death toll: 2 million
10. Pol Pot Cambodia Death toll: 1.7 million to 2.4 million
11. Ho Chi Minh North Vietnam Death toll: 1.7 million
12. Kim Il Sung North Korea Death toll: 1.6 million
13. Enver Pasha Turkey Death toll: 1.1 million to 2.5 million
Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, & More: 13 Deadliest Dictators (Photos)

does the Ho Chi Minh include deaths by the US or not??

Why is it you dumb shits have to think the USA troops that protect your fat butts are responsible?

As the man responsible for the spread of communism in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Ho Chi Minh is directly and indirectly responsible for the lives of 1.7 million Cambodians,12 2 million Vietnamese and possibly 230,000 in Laos. These are not war dead, but people murdered, starved to death and “reeducated” to death.
Who Was Ho Chi Minh? A Deceitful Mass Murderer.

Some of the things YOUR hero Ho Chi did!

The village chief and his wife were distraught. One of their children, a seven-year-old boy, had been missing for four days. They were terrified, they explained to Marine Lt. Gen. Lewis W. Walt, because they believed he had been captured by the Vietcong.
Suddenly, the boy came out of the jungle and ran across the rice paddies toward the village. He was crying. His mother ran to him and swept him up in her arms. Both of his hands had been cut off, and there was a sign around his neck, a message to his father: if he or any one else in the village dared go to the polls during the upcoming elections, something worse would happen to the rest of his children.

The VC delivered a similar warning to the residents of a hamlet not far from Danang.
All were herded before the home of their chief. While they and the chief’s pregnant wife and four children were forced to look on, the chief’s tongue was cut out.
Then his genital organs were sliced off and sewn inside his bloody mouth.
As he died, the VC went to work on his wife, slashing open her womb.
Then, the nine-year-old son: a bamboo lance was rammed through one ear and out the other.
Two more of the chief’s children were murdered the same way. The VC did not harm the five-year-old daughter — not physically: they simply left her crying, holding her dead mother’s hand.
The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

AND YOU have the absolute gall! Stupidity! To bring up an non-issue as you did?
People like you are truly disgusting and honestly to be pitied. You know you would have been probably one of the first people the VC under Ho Chi Minh would have had their
way with as the above describe. And I would truly felt sorry for you that you had the evil thoughts you did about our military that went there for one damn REASON!
The USA signed a TREATY! An Agreement. A legal document known as SEATO! South East Asia Treaty Organization. Modeled after NATO and the people of Vietnam
were members of SEATO and wanted to be helped against the INVASION by China into Vietnam.
Idiots like you probably would have been just like Ho Chi Minh... ignoring the will of the people!

The Boat People Were Chickenhawks

The South Vietnamese were cowards, crooks, incompetents, and collaborators. They deserved everything the Communists did to them.

 

[harmonica]

We always say that "power leads to corruption" and always blame "feudal emperor dictatorship and autocracy". Then, after the emperor to overthrow the "richest businessman, politician, strategist and writer of the interests of the solid union" inevitable political culture to the world economy is the most important social resources form the monopoly power.
If they are not responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters that have occurred over the centuries, who else is responsible?

Well here are 200 million deaths attributed to these 13 people.
1. Mao Zedong China Death toll: 45 million to 75 million
2. Joseph Stalin USSR Death toll: 40 million to 62 million
3. Adolf Hitler Germany Death toll: 17 million to 20 million
4. Chiang Kai-Shek China Death toll: 10 million
5. Hirohito Japan Death toll: 6 million
6. Vladimir Lenin USSR Death toll: 4 million
7. Tojo Hideki Japan Death toll: 4 million
8. Yahya Khan Pakistan Death toll: 2 million to 12 million
9. Saddam Hussein Iraq Death toll: 2 million
10. Pol Pot Cambodia Death toll: 1.7 million to 2.4 million
11. Ho Chi Minh North Vietnam Death toll: 1.7 million
12. Kim Il Sung North Korea Death toll: 1.6 million
13. Enver Pasha Turkey Death toll: 1.1 million to 2.5 million
Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, & More: 13 Deadliest Dictators (Photos)

does the Ho Chi Minh include deaths by the US or not??

Why is it you dumb shits have to think the USA troops that protect your fat butts are responsible?

As the man responsible for the spread of communism in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Ho Chi Minh is directly and indirectly responsible for the lives of 1.7 million Cambodians,12 2 million Vietnamese and possibly 230,000 in Laos. These are not war dead, but people murdered, starved to death and “reeducated” to death.
Who Was Ho Chi Minh? A Deceitful Mass Murderer.

Some of the things YOUR hero Ho Chi did!

The village chief and his wife were distraught. One of their children, a seven-year-old boy, had been missing for four days. They were terrified, they explained to Marine Lt. Gen. Lewis W. Walt, because they believed he had been captured by the Vietcong.
Suddenly, the boy came out of the jungle and ran across the rice paddies toward the village. He was crying. His mother ran to him and swept him up in her arms. Both of his hands had been cut off, and there was a sign around his neck, a message to his father: if he or any one else in the village dared go to the polls during the upcoming elections, something worse would happen to the rest of his children.

The VC delivered a similar warning to the residents of a hamlet not far from Danang.
All were herded before the home of their chief. While they and the chief’s pregnant wife and four children were forced to look on, the chief’s tongue was cut out.
Then his genital organs were sliced off and sewn inside his bloody mouth.
As he died, the VC went to work on his wife, slashing open her womb.
Then, the nine-year-old son: a bamboo lance was rammed through one ear and out the other.
Two more of the chief’s children were murdered the same way. The VC did not harm the five-year-old daughter — not physically: they simply left her crying, holding her dead mother’s hand.
The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

AND YOU have the absolute gall! Stupidity! To bring up an non-issue as you did?
People like you are truly disgusting and honestly to be pitied. You know you would have been probably one of the first people the VC under Ho Chi Minh would have had their
way with as the above describe. And I would truly felt sorry for you that you had the evil thoughts you did about our military that went there for one damn REASON!
The USA signed a TREATY! An Agreement. A legal document known as SEATO! South East Asia Treaty Organization. Modeled after NATO and the people of Vietnam
were members of SEATO and wanted to be helped against the INVASION by China into Vietnam.
Idiots like you probably would have been just like Ho Chi Minh... ignoring the will of the people!

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt

Diem’s security forces cracked down on Viet Minh sympathizers in the south, whom he derisively called Viet Cong (or Vietnamese Communist), arresting some 100,000 people, many of whom were brutally tortured and executed.

By 1957, the Viet Cong and other opponents of Diem’s repressive regime began fighting back

Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com

Diem's response to a massive uprising by the country's Buddhist majority population, which finally became fed up with Diem's anti-Buddhist views and policies. Diem's brutal crackdown against the demonstrators kept him in power for another few months. But it also convinced the United States that Diem would never be able to rally his people against the Communist threat.

Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

 

[healthmyths]

Well here are 200 million deaths attributed to these 13 people.
1. Mao Zedong China Death toll: 45 million to 75 million
2. Joseph Stalin USSR Death toll: 40 million to 62 million
3. Adolf Hitler Germany Death toll: 17 million to 20 million
4. Chiang Kai-Shek China Death toll: 10 million
5. Hirohito Japan Death toll: 6 million
6. Vladimir Lenin USSR Death toll: 4 million
7. Tojo Hideki Japan Death toll: 4 million
8. Yahya Khan Pakistan Death toll: 2 million to 12 million
9. Saddam Hussein Iraq Death toll: 2 million
10. Pol Pot Cambodia Death toll: 1.7 million to 2.4 million
11. Ho Chi Minh North Vietnam Death toll: 1.7 million
12. Kim Il Sung North Korea Death toll: 1.6 million
13. Enver Pasha Turkey Death toll: 1.1 million to 2.5 million
Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, & More: 13 Deadliest Dictators (Photos)

does the Ho Chi Minh include deaths by the US or not??

Why is it you dumb shits have to think the USA troops that protect your fat butts are responsible?

As the man responsible for the spread of communism in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Ho Chi Minh is directly and indirectly responsible for the lives of 1.7 million Cambodians,12 2 million Vietnamese and possibly 230,000 in Laos. These are not war dead, but people murdered, starved to death and “reeducated” to death.
Who Was Ho Chi Minh? A Deceitful Mass Murderer.

Some of the things YOUR hero Ho Chi did!

The village chief and his wife were distraught. One of their children, a seven-year-old boy, had been missing for four days. They were terrified, they explained to Marine Lt. Gen. Lewis W. Walt, because they believed he had been captured by the Vietcong.
Suddenly, the boy came out of the jungle and ran across the rice paddies toward the village. He was crying. His mother ran to him and swept him up in her arms. Both of his hands had been cut off, and there was a sign around his neck, a message to his father: if he or any one else in the village dared go to the polls during the upcoming elections, something worse would happen to the rest of his children.

The VC delivered a similar warning to the residents of a hamlet not far from Danang.
All were herded before the home of their chief. While they and the chief’s pregnant wife and four children were forced to look on, the chief’s tongue was cut out.
Then his genital organs were sliced off and sewn inside his bloody mouth.
As he died, the VC went to work on his wife, slashing open her womb.
Then, the nine-year-old son: a bamboo lance was rammed through one ear and out the other.
Two more of the chief’s children were murdered the same way. The VC did not harm the five-year-old daughter — not physically: they simply left her crying, holding her dead mother’s hand.
The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

AND YOU have the absolute gall! Stupidity! To bring up an non-issue as you did?
People like you are truly disgusting and honestly to be pitied. You know you would have been probably one of the first people the VC under Ho Chi Minh would have had their
way with as the above describe. And I would truly felt sorry for you that you had the evil thoughts you did about our military that went there for one damn REASON!
The USA signed a TREATY! An Agreement. A legal document known as SEATO! South East Asia Treaty Organization. Modeled after NATO and the people of Vietnam
were members of SEATO and wanted to be helped against the INVASION by China into Vietnam.
Idiots like you probably would have been just like Ho Chi Minh... ignoring the will of the people!

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt

Diem’s security forces cracked down on Viet Minh sympathizers in the south, whom he derisively called Viet Cong (or Vietnamese Communist), arresting some 100,000 people, many of whom were brutally tortured and executed.

By 1957, the Viet Cong and other opponents of Diem’s repressive regime began fighting back

Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com

Diem's response to a massive uprising by the country's Buddhist majority population, which finally became fed up with Diem's anti-Buddhist views and policies. Diem's brutal crackdown against the demonstrators kept him in power for another few months. But it also convinced the United States that Diem would never be able to rally his people against the Communist threat.

Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

 

[harmonica]

does the Ho Chi Minh include deaths by the US or not??

Why is it you dumb shits have to think the USA troops that protect your fat butts are responsible?

As the man responsible for the spread of communism in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Ho Chi Minh is directly and indirectly responsible for the lives of 1.7 million Cambodians,12 2 million Vietnamese and possibly 230,000 in Laos. These are not war dead, but people murdered, starved to death and “reeducated” to death.
Who Was Ho Chi Minh? A Deceitful Mass Murderer.

Some of the things YOUR hero Ho Chi did!

The village chief and his wife were distraught. One of their children, a seven-year-old boy, had been missing for four days. They were terrified, they explained to Marine Lt. Gen. Lewis W. Walt, because they believed he had been captured by the Vietcong.
Suddenly, the boy came out of the jungle and ran across the rice paddies toward the village. He was crying. His mother ran to him and swept him up in her arms. Both of his hands had been cut off, and there was a sign around his neck, a message to his father: if he or any one else in the village dared go to the polls during the upcoming elections, something worse would happen to the rest of his children.

The VC delivered a similar warning to the residents of a hamlet not far from Danang.
All were herded before the home of their chief. While they and the chief’s pregnant wife and four children were forced to look on, the chief’s tongue was cut out.
Then his genital organs were sliced off and sewn inside his bloody mouth.
As he died, the VC went to work on his wife, slashing open her womb.
Then, the nine-year-old son: a bamboo lance was rammed through one ear and out the other.
Two more of the chief’s children were murdered the same way. The VC did not harm the five-year-old daughter — not physically: they simply left her crying, holding her dead mother’s hand.
The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

AND YOU have the absolute gall! Stupidity! To bring up an non-issue as you did?
People like you are truly disgusting and honestly to be pitied. You know you would have been probably one of the first people the VC under Ho Chi Minh would have had their
way with as the above describe. And I would truly felt sorry for you that you had the evil thoughts you did about our military that went there for one damn REASON!
The USA signed a TREATY! An Agreement. A legal document known as SEATO! South East Asia Treaty Organization. Modeled after NATO and the people of Vietnam
were members of SEATO and wanted to be helped against the INVASION by China into Vietnam.
Idiots like you probably would have been just like Ho Chi Minh... ignoring the will of the people!

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt

Diem’s security forces cracked down on Viet Minh sympathizers in the south, whom he derisively called Viet Cong (or Vietnamese Communist), arresting some 100,000 people, many of whom were brutally tortured and executed.

By 1957, the Viet Cong and other opponents of Diem’s repressive regime began fighting back

Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com

Diem's response to a massive uprising by the country's Buddhist majority population, which finally became fed up with Diem's anti-Buddhist views and policies. Diem's brutal crackdown against the demonstrators kept him in power for another few months. But it also convinced the United States that Diem would never be able to rally his people against the Communist threat.

Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

 

[healthmyths]

Why is it you dumb shits have to think the USA troops that protect your fat butts are responsible?

As the man responsible for the spread of communism in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Ho Chi Minh is directly and indirectly responsible for the lives of 1.7 million Cambodians,12 2 million Vietnamese and possibly 230,000 in Laos. These are not war dead, but people murdered, starved to death and “reeducated” to death.
Who Was Ho Chi Minh? A Deceitful Mass Murderer.

Some of the things YOUR hero Ho Chi did!

The village chief and his wife were distraught. One of their children, a seven-year-old boy, had been missing for four days. They were terrified, they explained to Marine Lt. Gen. Lewis W. Walt, because they believed he had been captured by the Vietcong.
Suddenly, the boy came out of the jungle and ran across the rice paddies toward the village. He was crying. His mother ran to him and swept him up in her arms. Both of his hands had been cut off, and there was a sign around his neck, a message to his father: if he or any one else in the village dared go to the polls during the upcoming elections, something worse would happen to the rest of his children.

The VC delivered a similar warning to the residents of a hamlet not far from Danang.
All were herded before the home of their chief. While they and the chief’s pregnant wife and four children were forced to look on, the chief’s tongue was cut out.
Then his genital organs were sliced off and sewn inside his bloody mouth.
As he died, the VC went to work on his wife, slashing open her womb.
Then, the nine-year-old son: a bamboo lance was rammed through one ear and out the other.
Two more of the chief’s children were murdered the same way. The VC did not harm the five-year-old daughter — not physically: they simply left her crying, holding her dead mother’s hand.
The Blood-Red Hands of Ho Chi Minh

AND YOU have the absolute gall! Stupidity! To bring up an non-issue as you did?
People like you are truly disgusting and honestly to be pitied. You know you would have been probably one of the first people the VC under Ho Chi Minh would have had their
way with as the above describe. And I would truly felt sorry for you that you had the evil thoughts you did about our military that went there for one damn REASON!
The USA signed a TREATY! An Agreement. A legal document known as SEATO! South East Asia Treaty Organization. Modeled after NATO and the people of Vietnam
were members of SEATO and wanted to be helped against the INVASION by China into Vietnam.
Idiots like you probably would have been just like Ho Chi Minh... ignoring the will of the people!

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt

Diem’s security forces cracked down on Viet Minh sympathizers in the south, whom he derisively called Viet Cong (or Vietnamese Communist), arresting some 100,000 people, many of whom were brutally tortured and executed.

By 1957, the Viet Cong and other opponents of Diem’s repressive regime began fighting back

Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com

Diem's response to a massive uprising by the country's Buddhist majority population, which finally became fed up with Diem's anti-Buddhist views and policies. Diem's brutal crackdown against the demonstrators kept him in power for another few months. But it also convinced the United States that Diem would never be able to rally his people against the Communist threat.

Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

 

[harmonica]

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt
Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com
Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

 

[harmonica]

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt
Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com
Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

this is complete bullshit lunacy---the North won--plain and simple--this cannot be denied

 

[harmonica]

...wow---simmer down..I ask a completely relevant, CIVILIZED question and you go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1.US troops responsible ???
2. dumbshits???!!!?? !!
---the US should never have been in that war
3. stupidity??
4. idiots??

you are like DeNiro---bad mouthing/calling people names/stupid/etc ..this shows your mentality

1. the US/SVN did not follow the treaty obligations for nationwide elections
2.Diem's regime was oppressive/repressive/unfair/tortured/murdered/corrupt
Vietnam War - Vietnam War - HISTORY.com
Diem was the jackass--he did not represent the majority
The Fall of Diem (1963) - Dictionary definition of The Fall of Diem (1963) | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary
3. the US could never have won the war...instead, they killed many North and South Vietnamese-- if they stayed out of it, many Americans and Vietnamese would not have been killed
-- there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
a. Russia-Afghanistan
b.Britain-Afghanistan
c. US-Vietnam
d.Germany and Japan
e. Iraq in Iran and Kuwait
f. Arab-Israeli wars
etc
--opposite of South Korea, the SVN government was very unstable--to put it lightly...they had over 3 head of state changes in less than 2 years!!!!!one involving MURDER
--and many other coups and attempted coups
--no way is SVN going to win
4. I was in the military
5. my relative was in the military in Vietnam--killed in one of the worst ambushes by the NVA

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

you need to read history
the Japanese and Germans were being POUNDED
hundreds of thousands DEAD/displaced/etc
cities destroyed

the Germans hit from both fronts! the Allies were in Germany
Germany had taken HUGE losses
guess what--still no surrender

most of Japan's major cities were destroyed
being strangled by subs...BBs bombarding the coast
...even AFTER the atomic bombs, they Still did not want to surrender--the vote was tied!!
....even AFTER the emperor voted for surrender, many Japanese still did not want to, and tried to stop it by force

after over 10 years of US involvement/etc, the NVietnamese are not even close to surrender--they know they have the upper hand...
..they beat the Japanese and the French--with US helping France !!!!!
..the North will not lose

 

[healthmyths]

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.