Who is responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters over the centuries?

[dszb]

Isn't the phrase "humanitarian disaster" an oxymoron?

What Them Be Teached in Jurinalism Skule

Don't parrot the On-Air Airheads' ignorant and dysfunctional English. What they tell you "oxymoron" means is totally wrong. If they hadn't been so conceited and involved in a silly youth revolt, they would have found out that the term Old School newsmen used for that was "a contradiction in terms." Their fake meaning also shows their laziness in not wanting to use so many syllables.

Another example of the inferiority of these Diploma Dumbos is that they think that just because oxymoron sounds like something said by a moron, it must be a pejorative term. To truly educated people, the self-educated, oxymoron is actually a clever phrase that sounds like a contradiction, but only if different meanings of the words were implied. Examples are: "boneless ribs, donut holes, less is more, creative destruction, or my own coinage, 'antiseptic pollution.'"

Under "economic law", a diploma does not equate to character.
Beggars can often help victims.
Gentlemen can only be "pigs fed by citizens".

More Proof of Which Side You Help the Most

Beggars are not the opposite of the plutocrats. In order to get normal people to support the rich instead of the worthless mooching poor, your gurus purposely tell you to make that false division.

You got the right education, right? The media, universities, social groups and so on are all funded by the rich. They are propaganda tools for the rich. These tools are trying to cover up the SINS of the rich and exaggerate the mistakes of the poor.

 

[dszb]

Who is responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters over the centuries?

The State...It sends young men to die horribly in its wars, has outright murdered innumerable civilians with its social tinkering and meddling, has prevented those who would help people in dire need from doing so, impedes all who would flee its tyranny from doing so.

No entity, in all of human history, has imposed more pain, misery, anguish, and death on the populace of the world than The State.

Scrooge's Scapegoat

The private-sector 1% directs the State. With their media-megaphoned anti-GUBMINT rants, the plutocrats want to trick us into running to them for relief from their secretly wholly owned subsidiary, the State.

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Lick Their Boots and Wag Your Tail

Most people don't care about getting weaker. As long as the Masters pat them on the head and tell them they're a good boy, they are pathetically satisfied.

Why should we tolerate the rule of the dark forces of capital when we can overthrow the imperial rule and the theological rule?
Once the dark forces have mastered the economic lifeline, media, justice and other important projects, they will be far more evil than the emperor.
What "sheep can eat human flesh", miserable child labor, white indentured slaves and so on are the SINS of the dark forces of capital.
"Chaos is the cure for the world." ~ China late qing dynasty·詹大悲。View attachment 197735

The darkest unseen force is that that the sons of Capitalists, at least those with Daddy issues, started and lead all Socialist forces. Else why didn't they hand over ownership to workers' and peasants' co-ops? Equal shares and vote on different salaries. No, to prove that all along they had the attitudes of unearned hereditary supremacy, the Communist Party members became the new Capitalists.

So MAO zedong is going to have the cultural revolution. Unfortunately, heaven didn't give MAO enough time. And the people did not have the ability to understand MAO's political intentions.
This was inevitable at the time, when more than half of China's population was illiterate and there was no rapid transmission of information.
Plus, the people who did the credit were very good at disguising themselves.

 

[dszb]

I get it. You are truly ignorant as exemplified by the statement.."there are MANY examples of nations that fail who try to take over a country/impose their will
Are you so absolutely stupid as to think the USA spent billions, 50,000+lives to take over Vietnam? Iraq? Or Israel wants to take over Arab countries?

Wow you really have NO grasp about world situations!

Lumping US into the label of nations trying to take over a country is pathetic.

Again your ignorance is so appalling.
Are you against the USA being in NATO?

Did you know the USA was in the South East Treaty Organization(SEATO) that as a member was requested to aid in the fight against China?

Truly why don't you leave the USA if you think the rest of us Americans are war hawks. We are wanting to conquer the world. Because most of TRUE Americans
understand that the MSM has truly brain-washed people like you into thinking the USA is the worst country in the world.
Pathetic you couldn't think for yourself.

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

American arms dealers won the war

Prove it! I put links up to support my statements. YOU? You just blow crap out of your mouth with no logic. No common sense. Tell me what ARMs dealers won the war dummy?

All the ammunition the United States spent in the war fell from the sky. The United States has always been the world's largest arms manufacturer.

 

[dszb]

''warhawks'' ??!!
''worst country''????you are out there--way out there somewhere
..we LOST the Vietnam war--and wasted 50,000 American lives for nothing
..if you think wasting 50,000 lives is ok ---then you are someone like hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc [ not to mention the tens of thousands of lives of Vietnamese -North and South-that were wasted because the US got involved in a CIVIL war, on the side with a jackass, corrupt government/culture/etc
...my dad fought in the Korean War--that also was not necessary for the US to get into
---we lost Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and Cuba to the communist--guess what !!!!!!!!??????????? the US is still around and going strong

there are many of examples of ''powerful'' countries trying to impose their will on/take over other countries that have failed--what don't you understand about that?? the Vietnam War was unwinnable

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

Right!
I brought four sons to your house to kill your eight sons, and my four sons died. Is this my victory?

What a dumb comment!

If you're smart, run for President, or be Bill Gates.

 

[dszb]

We always say that "power leads to corruption" and always blame "feudal emperor dictatorship and autocracy". Then, after the emperor to overthrow the "richest businessman, politician, strategist and writer of the interests of the solid union" inevitable political culture to the world economy is the most important social resources form the monopoly power.
If they are not responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters that have occurred over the centuries, who else is responsible?

Um, men? And aren't they so full of righteous indignation about not getting their bloody way?

Who is indignant at not taking their bloody path？

 

[dszb]

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
View attachment 198466

More than 56,000 military personnel have died, more than 300,000 have been injured and more than 400 billion dollars have been spent, leaving the United States with a crippling trauma
That is the price of democratic values. Did America have no choice?
That's because "American politicians got a bribe from the regime in southern Vietnam".

OH my goodness! Talk about tin-foil hat statements! "American politicians got a bribe from the regime in southern Vietnam"
Please prove with FACTS... NO FACTS to that really dumb statement! Prove it!

What does the K street consultancy near congress do? Who does not work with the United States through these secret channels?

 

[dszb]

Duh! Easy Peasy !

Who caused it?

Your Basic Human Unit of course

-lickers are the scholars you capitalists support.
The democratic revolution of capitalists, but they never gave the working class any democracy, and the decisions of their businesses were the result of the back-room operations of their top boards.

 

[healthmyths]

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
View attachment 198466

More than 56,000 military personnel have died, more than 300,000 have been injured and more than 400 billion dollars have been spent, leaving the United States with a crippling trauma
That is the price of democratic values. Did America have no choice?
That's because "American politicians got a bribe from the regime in southern Vietnam".

OH my goodness! Talk about tin-foil hat statements! "American politicians got a bribe from the regime in southern Vietnam"
Please prove with FACTS... NO FACTS to that really dumb statement! Prove it!

What does the K street consultancy near congress do? Who does not work with the United States through these secret channels?

Big deal! Anyone can say K street? GEEZ PROVE it! You said politicians got a bribe from the regime" Prove IT! See this is just how dumb ass false premises get
started. Some dummy makes a statement like you did WITH NO proof. Idiots pass it on. Prove IT! Show me the links!

 

[healthmyths]

Maybe you should ask these VietCong generals!

Military Victory But Political Defeat: The Tet Offensive 50 Years Later
What Cronkite saw on the ground led him to go on TV and say it was time for the U.S. to end the war.
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could."
[President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

BUT CRONKITE WAS SO SO VERY WRONG!!! And because of him the TET OFFENSIVE which WAS a victory was pronounced by Cronkite as a DEFEAT worthy of the USA withdrawing. Which we DID!

In the late-January calm of a Lunar New Year cease-fire, seventy thousand communist troops shattered the celebration, attacking more than a hundred South Vietnamese cities and towns. They struck along the coast, then presumed secure. They shelled the big U.S. complex at Cam Ranh Bay and stormed numerous towns in the central highlands. They attacked the mountain resort of Dalat and invaded thirteen of sixteen provincial capitals in the Mekong Delta. They captured the ancient northern capital of Hue and carried the war into the heart of Saigon—even into the U.S. embassy compound.

This was the most daring operation of the war, and Americans watched in horror as the bloody spectacle unfolded on their television screens. They had been told the military situation was in hand, and now those assurances lay shattered in the American consciousness.

But Tet had been a desperation move by North Vietnam, beset by a relentless American killing machine. And the Allied response was awesome.
The communists lost ten thousand men in the first few days of the offensive, compared to 249 Americans dead and five hundred South Vietnamese.
Overall, throughout the months-long battle, the communists lost nearly forty-eight thousand men.
The North Vietnamese had sought to deliver the decisive military blow that would knock the Americans out of the region. They failed.

They failed so miserably that they lost their ability to wage war in the South. Even a year later, as Richard Nixon assumed the presidency, CIA director Richard Helms told Newsweek columnist Stewart Alsop that the communist main force in Vietnam had been decimated in the 1968 fighting so thoroughly that it would take considerable time for Hanoi to rebuild its forces.
Into this military drama, in the first weeks of Tet, comes Walter Cronkite of CBS News. He travels around, talks to people like a real reporter, presumably takes notes. And then he goes home and delivers a report to the American people that totally misses the story. At this pregnant moment of the war, when prospects of victory never looked brighter, he concludes that the war is a stalemate and probably unwindable.
Cronkite's Vietnam Blunder


A North Vietnamese battlefield defeat that led to victory, the Tet Offensive still triggers debate nearly four decades later
Tet was a historical anomaly: a battlefield defeat that ultimately yielded victory. This remarkable result accounts for Tet’s resonance whenever U.S. military forces meet even temporary reverses.
Read more: TET: Who Won? | History | Smithsonian

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

Right!
I brought four sons to your house to kill your eight sons, and my four sons died. Is this my victory?

What a dumb comment!

If you're smart, run for President, or be Bill Gates.

Once again your stupidity. Your inane comments indicate you either are a blithering idiot or a grade school student. "Be Bill Gates"? You have NO idea what I know or do!
You on the other hand, by your last few comments are truly showing your intelligence or AGE!

 

[healthmyths]

We always say that "power leads to corruption" and always blame "feudal emperor dictatorship and autocracy". Then, after the emperor to overthrow the "richest businessman, politician, strategist and writer of the interests of the solid union" inevitable political culture to the world economy is the most important social resources form the monopoly power.
If they are not responsible for the vast majority of humanitarian disasters that have occurred over the centuries, who else is responsible?

Well here are 200 million deaths attributed to these 13 people.
1. Mao Zedong China Death toll: 45 million to 75 million
2. Joseph Stalin USSR Death toll: 40 million to 62 million
3. Adolf Hitler Germany Death toll: 17 million to 20 million
4. Chiang Kai-Shek China Death toll: 10 million
5. Hirohito Japan Death toll: 6 million
6. Vladimir Lenin USSR Death toll: 4 million
7. Tojo Hideki Japan Death toll: 4 million
8. Yahya Khan Pakistan Death toll: 2 million to 12 million
9. Saddam Hussein Iraq Death toll: 2 million
10. Pol Pot Cambodia Death toll: 1.7 million to 2.4 million
11. Ho Chi Minh North Vietnam Death toll: 1.7 million
12. Kim Il Sung North Korea Death toll: 1.6 million
13. Enver Pasha Turkey Death toll: 1.1 million to 2.5 million
Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, & More: 13 Deadliest Dictators (Photos)

We always say, "history is written by the victors." most of them are dead today. You can put any blame on them.
But how many people died from the SINS of traders such as "sheep eat human flesh", "hired labor", "white contractual slaves" and "indians killed"? Early European industrialization; The contract workers were all children of several years old, and few of them lived beyond the age of 11.
Of the 36, 000 textile workers in silesia, Germany alone, thousands have died of hunger.
The famine of 1842 in Germany left 6,000 people dead in silesia alone.
In the United States of 1896, the three giants were worth $1 trillion today, living like emperors. But 90 percent of americans live on less than a dollar a month. Every year, one in 11 workers dies from work-related injuries.
These are real history.

By the way who is "WE" when you wrote "We always say 'history is written by the victors'? DO YOU ALWAYS SAY THAT? ALL THE TIME?
Again exaggerations. Gross bloviation.
Get some proof.
For example so easy to find FACTS like "History is written by the victors". Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Quotes

So easy to attribute FACTS and statements to the source anymore.

 

[harmonica]

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
View attachment 198466

how old are you?? 14?
...considering the US had naval and air superiority, and the HUGE advantage of helicopter mobility, the NVA did very well
...the military that fought over there even knew it was all a big waste---that's one of the reasons we lost--no horse in the race/no motivation to win/etc

so what if Vietnam is communist????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
it means NOTHING to the US!!!

And HOW NAIVE you must be at YOUR age!
Are you telling me that the VietCong et.al. didn't LOVE hearing what people like Kerry said about our troops? That's music to their ears! IT is called PROPAGANDA!
And Kerry, Jane Fonda and all of you truly disgusting ANTI-American idiots were the pawns of those people!
The military didn't lose the war! The war was pissed away by traitors obviously of YOUR bent who wanted the USA to crawl away like groveling dogs...i.e. read
Cronkite's statement:
The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."
And that was what these truly dummies like you wanted!
How dumb must you be to not recognize when you praise the enemy and deride your own troops... that encourages the enemy to kill more Americans and our troops
are truly demoralized by the idiots like you that sing the praises of the bad guys!

It is so frigging obvious that dupes like you caused the politicians to remove the funding and all the while the VietCong, et.al. got stronger because DUMMIES LIKE YOU
WERE CHEERING FOR THEM!

plain and simple--the North won
let me give you an example/contrast for better understanding
tiny, tiny Israel beat the Arabs in many wars
Israel:
totally outnumbered in all categories [ troops/tanks/population/etc
surrounded with a very narrow front that could be easily pierced
fighting on more than 1 front
WITHOUT US troops/US naval help/etc

South Vietnam:
fighting just 1 front
not surrounded
helped by 500,000 US troops
US air superiority
US naval superiority
US huge mobility advantage
SVN doesn't win--even after the US left, but still helped with airpower

enough of your immature trolling

 

[healthmyths]

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
View attachment 198466

how old are you?? 14?
...considering the US had naval and air superiority, and the HUGE advantage of helicopter mobility, the NVA did very well
...the military that fought over there even knew it was all a big waste---that's one of the reasons we lost--no horse in the race/no motivation to win/etc

so what if Vietnam is communist????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
it means NOTHING to the US!!!

And HOW NAIVE you must be at YOUR age!
Are you telling me that the VietCong et.al. didn't LOVE hearing what people like Kerry said about our troops? That's music to their ears! IT is called PROPAGANDA!
And Kerry, Jane Fonda and all of you truly disgusting ANTI-American idiots were the pawns of those people!
The military didn't lose the war! The war was pissed away by traitors obviously of YOUR bent who wanted the USA to crawl away like groveling dogs...i.e. read
Cronkite's statement:
The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."
And that was what these truly dummies like you wanted!
How dumb must you be to not recognize when you praise the enemy and deride your own troops... that encourages the enemy to kill more Americans and our troops
are truly demoralized by the idiots like you that sing the praises of the bad guys!

It is so frigging obvious that dupes like you caused the politicians to remove the funding and all the while the VietCong, et.al. got stronger because DUMMIES LIKE YOU
WERE CHEERING FOR THEM!

plain and simple--the North won
let me give you an example/contrast for better understanding
tiny, tiny Israel beat the Arabs in many wars
Israel:
totally outnumbered in all categories [ troops/tanks/population/etc
surrounded with a very narrow front that could be easily pierced
fighting on more than 1 front
WITHOUT US troops/US naval help/etc

South Vietnam:
fighting just 1 front
not surrounded
helped by 500,000 US troops
US air superiority
US naval superiority
US huge mobility advantage
SVN doesn't win--even after the US left, but still helped with airpower

enough of your immature trolling

No question Communist Viet Cong were totally encouraged by all the traitors back in USA that supported them and hated our troops.
No question our troops were demoralized, really discouraged when they were spit on and despised by idiot Viet cong supporters like you!

No question the MSM supported the Communist and here is proof!
Did Fake News Lose the Vietnam War?
Journalists wrongly portrayed the Tet Offensive as a U.S. defeat and never corrected the record.
Seemingly out of nowhere, a shock wave hit South Vietnam on Jan. 30, 1968. In a coordinated assault unprecedented in ferocity and scale, more than 100,000 North Vietnamese and Viet Cong soldiers stormed out of their sanctuaries in Laos and Cambodia. They went on to attack more than 100 towns and cities across South Vietnam.

The following 77 days changed the course of the Vietnam War.
The American people were bombarded with a nightly stream of devastating television and daily print reporting.
Yet what they saw was so at odds with the reality on the ground that many Vietnam veterans believe truth itself was under attack.
Despite their ferocity, by most objective military standards, the communists achieved none of their goals. U.S. and South Vietnamese forces held fast, regrouped and fought back.
But in living rooms across America, the nightly news described an overwhelming American defeat.
The late Washington Post Saigon correspondent Peter Braestrup later concluded the event marked a major failure in the history of American journalism.
The misinformation, fixed in the minds of the American people, played a role in shifting public opinion against the war.
Braestrup suggested that the press committed journalistic malpractice by taking sides against the Johnson administration and not correcting the record once the fog of the battle had lifted. These hasty assumptions and judgments, he documented, “were simply allowed to stand.”
The professional obligation of journalists in a free society is to stay calm and get the story straight. It is not, as Walter Lippmann admonished, to conflate “truth” with the assembly and processing of a commodity called “news.”
Did Fake News Lose the Vietnam War?

In the Vietnam war, it took the media to cause our defeat,
ultimately by act of Congress, cutting off supplies and ammunition and forcing government-committed American troops in a hostile environment to bug out on extremely short notice, leaving behind allies and comrades to be butchered and enslaved.
And all this was done close on the heals of one of the most lopsided military victories,
by the US, in the history of warfare, and while the severely defeated Communists were ready to negotiate, Ala Korea, some sort of armistice.
An entire book could be written on this topic alone.

The Vietnam war was not lost on the battlefield, where not one single American unit ever lost one single battle.
The Vietnam war was lost, first, on the American television screen.
The Vietnam war was lost second on the rioting streets of America.
The Vietnam war was lost, finally, in Congress.
The Vietnam war was won for Communism by a fifth column of under-cover Communists solidly entrenched in the American media.
How Cronkite and the SLIMC lost the Vietnam War for America.

You communist sympathizers along with the extremely hateful MSM as the above articles point out caused the loss!

A simple question I think any grade school kid could answer.
What would happen to the home basketball team if all the home team's parents, friends, and schoolmates cheered for the other team to win and booed the home team?

Sound ridiculous? Tell me that above articles don't show how the MSM, TV, et.al. weren't cheering for the VietCong and booing..spitting on the home team?

And the amazing fact is there still are a group of dummies evidently you are one of them that don't seem to comprehend that if YOU cheer for the enemy and boo your military/home team two things happen:
1) The VietCong were encouraged! Laughing all the time at the US military that was getting booed by their own home town!
2) The US military/home team are totally discouraged. Dispirited. Ready to quit. After all if friends, relatives, schoolmates, MSM are booing you and spitting on you?

 

[harmonica]

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
View attachment 198466

how old are you?? 14?
...considering the US had naval and air superiority, and the HUGE advantage of helicopter mobility, the NVA did very well
...the military that fought over there even knew it was all a big waste---that's one of the reasons we lost--no horse in the race/no motivation to win/etc

so what if Vietnam is communist????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
it means NOTHING to the US!!!

And HOW NAIVE you must be at YOUR age!
Are you telling me that the VietCong et.al. didn't LOVE hearing what people like Kerry said about our troops? That's music to their ears! IT is called PROPAGANDA!
And Kerry, Jane Fonda and all of you truly disgusting ANTI-American idiots were the pawns of those people!
The military didn't lose the war! The war was pissed away by traitors obviously of YOUR bent who wanted the USA to crawl away like groveling dogs...i.e. read
Cronkite's statement:
The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."
And that was what these truly dummies like you wanted!
How dumb must you be to not recognize when you praise the enemy and deride your own troops... that encourages the enemy to kill more Americans and our troops
are truly demoralized by the idiots like you that sing the praises of the bad guys!

It is so frigging obvious that dupes like you caused the politicians to remove the funding and all the while the VietCong, et.al. got stronger because DUMMIES LIKE YOU
WERE CHEERING FOR THEM!

plain and simple--the North won
let me give you an example/contrast for better understanding
tiny, tiny Israel beat the Arabs in many wars
Israel:
totally outnumbered in all categories [ troops/tanks/population/etc
surrounded with a very narrow front that could be easily pierced
fighting on more than 1 front
WITHOUT US troops/US naval help/etc

South Vietnam:
fighting just 1 front
not surrounded
helped by 500,000 US troops
US air superiority
US naval superiority
US huge mobility advantage
SVN doesn't win--even after the US left, but still helped with airpower

enough of your immature trolling

No question Communist Viet Cong were totally encouraged by all the traitors back in USA that supported them and hated our troops.
No question our troops were demoralized, really discouraged when they were spit on and despised by idiot Viet cong supporters like you!

No question the MSM supported the Communist and here is proof!
Did Fake News Lose the Vietnam War?
Journalists wrongly portrayed the Tet Offensive as a U.S. defeat and never corrected the record.
Seemingly out of nowhere, a shock wave hit South Vietnam on Jan. 30, 1968. In a coordinated assault unprecedented in ferocity and scale, more than 100,000 North Vietnamese and Viet Cong soldiers stormed out of their sanctuaries in Laos and Cambodia. They went on to attack more than 100 towns and cities across South Vietnam.

The following 77 days changed the course of the Vietnam War.
The American people were bombarded with a nightly stream of devastating television and daily print reporting.
Yet what they saw was so at odds with the reality on the ground that many Vietnam veterans believe truth itself was under attack.
Despite their ferocity, by most objective military standards, the communists achieved none of their goals. U.S. and South Vietnamese forces held fast, regrouped and fought back.
But in living rooms across America, the nightly news described an overwhelming American defeat.
The late Washington Post Saigon correspondent Peter Braestrup later concluded the event marked a major failure in the history of American journalism.
The misinformation, fixed in the minds of the American people, played a role in shifting public opinion against the war.
Braestrup suggested that the press committed journalistic malpractice by taking sides against the Johnson administration and not correcting the record once the fog of the battle had lifted. These hasty assumptions and judgments, he documented, “were simply allowed to stand.”
The professional obligation of journalists in a free society is to stay calm and get the story straight. It is not, as Walter Lippmann admonished, to conflate “truth” with the assembly and processing of a commodity called “news.”
Did Fake News Lose the Vietnam War?

In the Vietnam war, it took the media to cause our defeat,
ultimately by act of Congress, cutting off supplies and ammunition and forcing government-committed American troops in a hostile environment to bug out on extremely short notice, leaving behind allies and comrades to be butchered and enslaved.
And all this was done close on the heals of one of the most lopsided military victories,
by the US, in the history of warfare, and while the severely defeated Communists were ready to negotiate, Ala Korea, some sort of armistice.
An entire book could be written on this topic alone.

The Vietnam war was not lost on the battlefield, where not one single American unit ever lost one single battle.
The Vietnam war was lost, first, on the American television screen.
The Vietnam war was lost second on the rioting streets of America.
The Vietnam war was lost, finally, in Congress.
The Vietnam war was won for Communism by a fifth column of under-cover Communists solidly entrenched in the American media.
How Cronkite and the SLIMC lost the Vietnam War for America.

You communist sympathizers along with the extremely hateful MSM as the above articles point out caused the loss!

A simple question I think any grade school kid could answer.
What would happen to the home basketball team if all the home team's parents, friends, and schoolmates cheered for the other team to win and booed the home team?

Sound ridiculous? Tell me that above articles don't show how the MSM, TV, et.al. weren't cheering for the VietCong and booing..spitting on the home team?

And the amazing fact is there still are a group of dummies evidently you are one of them that don't seem to comprehend that if YOU cheer for the enemy and boo your military/home team two things happen:
1) The VietCong were encouraged! Laughing all the time at the US military that was getting booed by their own home town!
2) The US military/home team are totally discouraged. Dispirited. Ready to quit. After all if friends, relatives, schoolmates, MSM are booing you and spitting on you?

....OBVIOUSLY the VC/NVA were motivated by patriotism--as the Americans were at their revolution ..also motivated to fight and free their land from the Japanese, the French, and then the American invaders
...you must be reading childish comic books

 

[Picaro]

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
View attachment 198466

how old are you?? 14?
...considering the US had naval and air superiority, and the HUGE advantage of helicopter mobility, the NVA did very well
...the military that fought over there even knew it was all a big waste---that's one of the reasons we lost--no horse in the race/no motivation to win/etc

so what if Vietnam is communist????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
it means NOTHING to the US!!!

And HOW NAIVE you must be at YOUR age!
Are you telling me that the VietCong et.al. didn't LOVE hearing what people like Kerry said about our troops? That's music to their ears! IT is called PROPAGANDA!
And Kerry, Jane Fonda and all of you truly disgusting ANTI-American idiots were the pawns of those people!
The military didn't lose the war! The war was pissed away by traitors obviously of YOUR bent who wanted the USA to crawl away like groveling dogs...i.e. read
Cronkite's statement:
The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."
And that was what these truly dummies like you wanted!
How dumb must you be to not recognize when you praise the enemy and deride your own troops... that encourages the enemy to kill more Americans and our troops
are truly demoralized by the idiots like you that sing the praises of the bad guys!

It is so frigging obvious that dupes like you caused the politicians to remove the funding and all the while the VietCong, et.al. got stronger because DUMMIES LIKE YOU
WERE CHEERING FOR THEM!

plain and simple--the North won
let me give you an example/contrast for better understanding
tiny, tiny Israel beat the Arabs in many wars
Israel:
totally outnumbered in all categories [ troops/tanks/population/etc
surrounded with a very narrow front that could be easily pierced
fighting on more than 1 front
WITHOUT US troops/US naval help/etc

South Vietnam:
fighting just 1 front
not surrounded
helped by 500,000 US troops
US air superiority
US naval superiority
US huge mobility advantage
SVN doesn't win--even after the US left, but still helped with airpower

enough of your immature trolling

No question Communist Viet Cong were totally encouraged by all the traitors back in USA that supported them and hated our troops.
No question our troops were demoralized, really discouraged when they were spit on and despised by idiot Viet cong supporters like you!

No question the MSM supported the Communist and here is proof!
Did Fake News Lose the Vietnam War?
Journalists wrongly portrayed the Tet Offensive as a U.S. defeat and never corrected the record.
Seemingly out of nowhere, a shock wave hit South Vietnam on Jan. 30, 1968. In a coordinated assault unprecedented in ferocity and scale, more than 100,000 North Vietnamese and Viet Cong soldiers stormed out of their sanctuaries in Laos and Cambodia. They went on to attack more than 100 towns and cities across South Vietnam.

The following 77 days changed the course of the Vietnam War.
The American people were bombarded with a nightly stream of devastating television and daily print reporting.
Yet what they saw was so at odds with the reality on the ground that many Vietnam veterans believe truth itself was under attack.
Despite their ferocity, by most objective military standards, the communists achieved none of their goals. U.S. and South Vietnamese forces held fast, regrouped and fought back.
But in living rooms across America, the nightly news described an overwhelming American defeat.
The late Washington Post Saigon correspondent Peter Braestrup later concluded the event marked a major failure in the history of American journalism.
The misinformation, fixed in the minds of the American people, played a role in shifting public opinion against the war.
Braestrup suggested that the press committed journalistic malpractice by taking sides against the Johnson administration and not correcting the record once the fog of the battle had lifted. These hasty assumptions and judgments, he documented, “were simply allowed to stand.”
The professional obligation of journalists in a free society is to stay calm and get the story straight. It is not, as Walter Lippmann admonished, to conflate “truth” with the assembly and processing of a commodity called “news.”
Did Fake News Lose the Vietnam War?

In the Vietnam war, it took the media to cause our defeat,
ultimately by act of Congress, cutting off supplies and ammunition and forcing government-committed American troops in a hostile environment to bug out on extremely short notice, leaving behind allies and comrades to be butchered and enslaved.
And all this was done close on the heals of one of the most lopsided military victories,
by the US, in the history of warfare, and while the severely defeated Communists were ready to negotiate, Ala Korea, some sort of armistice.
An entire book could be written on this topic alone.

The Vietnam war was not lost on the battlefield, where not one single American unit ever lost one single battle.
The Vietnam war was lost, first, on the American television screen.
The Vietnam war was lost second on the rioting streets of America.
The Vietnam war was lost, finally, in Congress.
The Vietnam war was won for Communism by a fifth column of under-cover Communists solidly entrenched in the American media.
How Cronkite and the SLIMC lost the Vietnam War for America.

You communist sympathizers along with the extremely hateful MSM as the above articles point out caused the loss!

A simple question I think any grade school kid could answer.
What would happen to the home basketball team if all the home team's parents, friends, and schoolmates cheered for the other team to win and booed the home team?

Sound ridiculous? Tell me that above articles don't show how the MSM, TV, et.al. weren't cheering for the VietCong and booing..spitting on the home team?

And the amazing fact is there still are a group of dummies evidently you are one of them that don't seem to comprehend that if YOU cheer for the enemy and boo your military/home team two things happen:
1) The VietCong were encouraged! Laughing all the time at the US military that was getting booed by their own home town!
2) The US military/home team are totally discouraged. Dispirited. Ready to quit. After all if friends, relatives, schoolmates, MSM are booing you and spitting on you?

Agree with most of this, and don't really care enough about the parts I don't care about at the moment, but I'll add the VC were purged by the Commies immediately after the fall in 1975, and it was LBJ's escalation that the forced the Soviet Union to verge of bankruptcy, followed by his support of Israel, of which the latter victories in 1967 and 1973 the Arabs blamed the Soviet Union for as well and the Soviets began losing most of their client states in the ME as a result. After 1973 and the Oil Crisis, the Soviet Union was finished, and became essentially a welfare case for the West. We were able to keep our promises to our SEATO allies in Asia, while the Soviets couldn't keep theirs to anybody, and certainly couldn't take advantage of their pyrrhic 'victory' in VN.

 

[dszb]

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
View attachment 198466

More than 56,000 military personnel have died, more than 300,000 have been injured and more than 400 billion dollars have been spent, leaving the United States with a crippling trauma
That is the price of democratic values. Did America have no choice?
That's because "American politicians got a bribe from the regime in southern Vietnam".

OH my goodness! Talk about tin-foil hat statements! "American politicians got a bribe from the regime in southern Vietnam"
Please prove with FACTS... NO FACTS to that really dumb statement! Prove it!

What does the K street consultancy near congress do? Who does not work with the United States through these secret channels?

Big deal! Anyone can say K street? GEEZ PROVE it! You said politicians got a bribe from the regime" Prove IT! See this is just how dumb ass false premises get
started. Some dummy makes a statement like you did WITH NO proof. Idiots pass it on. Prove IT! Show me the links!

K Street Project - Wikipedia
House Majority Whip Exerts Influence by Way of K Street
K Street no longer the legendary hub of D.C. lobbying firms
That's just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[dszb]

who won the war??
....the US objective of the war was to keep the South from being overrun..from being communist--NOT to see who killed the most = loss
..the US objective in the Korean war was to keep South Korea from being overrun--to eject the NKs from the South = win

Can't argue with the reality that ALL of Vietnam is communist...thanks to the people like you that encouraged the VietCong and who spit on our troops coming home!
You and your fellow communist MSM helped convince politicians that the war was lost even though the VietCong suffered immensely more losses.
But when you and your fellow communist sympathizers like Walter Cronkite who was a MAJOR voice in the demise and needless death of American troops because of
statements like these:
"The only rational way out then," Cronkite said to a national audience, "will be to negotiate not as victims but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could." [President] Johnson is said to have told an aide, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

As a result of communist sympathizers like you that wanted to see the USA get beat because you believed the MSM regarding the progress i.e. Cronkite, the politicians
gave up also as they saw the polls of communist sympathizers like you and idiots like John Kerry who such a traitorous testimony completed made people like you and
other idiots again think our soldiers were the bad guys!

Remember Kerry also HELPED kill US troops when he testified in Congress in 1971.
-"telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan,"
John Kerry Then: Hear Kerry’s Historic 1971 Testimony Against the Vietnam War | Democracy Now!

Is it NO wonder dummies like you and the politicians HELPED communism in Vietnam?

Pathetic pieces of communist sympathizers compared to our very courageous soldiers who again people like you figuratively with your current posts blaming our
troops, is no differ than the gross mistreatment as shown by the below.
View attachment 198466

More than 56,000 military personnel have died, more than 300,000 have been injured and more than 400 billion dollars have been spent, leaving the United States with a crippling trauma
That is the price of democratic values. Did America have no choice?
That's because "American politicians got a bribe from the regime in southern Vietnam".

OH my goodness! Talk about tin-foil hat statements! "American politicians got a bribe from the regime in southern Vietnam"
Please prove with FACTS... NO FACTS to that really dumb statement! Prove it!

What does the K street consultancy near congress do? Who does not work with the United States through these secret channels?

Big deal! Anyone can say K street? GEEZ PROVE it! You said politicians got a bribe from the regime" Prove IT! See this is just how dumb ass false premises get
started. Some dummy makes a statement like you did WITH NO proof. Idiots pass it on. Prove IT! Show me the links!

You don't have a brain.
Don't know how much americans hate these lobbying companies?

 

[dszb]

who won the Vietnam War??

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

When the last helicopter rose above the American embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, the US had been winning the Vietnam War for over a decade. The data said so.
The strategy had been driven by a simple hypothesis, proven by history: Wars were won by inflicting damage on an enemy until they surrendered. The Pentagon set up metrics to measure that progress, the primary data point being kills (dead enemies), which was reviewed as an absolute number and expressed as a ratio against our own dead. The bigger ratio, the better the war was going, and Viet Cong casualties were generally 2x or more those of American dead.

According To U.S. Big Data, We Won The Vietnam War

Right!
I brought four sons to your house to kill your eight sons, and my four sons died. Is this my victory?

What a dumb comment!

If you're smart, run for President, or be Bill Gates.

Once again your stupidity. Your inane comments indicate you either are a blithering idiot or a grade school student. "Be Bill Gates"? You have NO idea what I know or do!
You on the other hand, by your last few comments are truly showing your intelligence or AGE!

If you have a normal IQ,
Don't joke about elementary school students' inspirational articles.