Who is Responsible for Fatherless Black Families?

[Diuretic]

I know ... have you read a bigger bunch of tripe, ever?

Heck jillian I've read some real tripe over the years....I'll need a bit of time to think about that.

Okay, done.

No.

 

[Diuretic]

Blacks get no shittier a deal than anyone else. As a matter of fact, being a racial minority in this country entitles one to handouts whites can't get.

IMO, anyone concerned with being a failure as a provider would not be running anywhere.

But isn't it a reasonable hypothesis until it's proven false?

 

[jillian]

Heck jillian I've read some real tripe over the years....I'll need a bit of time to think about that.

Okay, done.

No.

Heh!

 

[Diuretic]

Except it is childish. Devoid of reality and facts.

The Liberals in this country have spent the last 40 years teaching the blacks that THEY will provide welfare and free housing to them if they JUST keep them in power. There was no great problem before the 60's of unwed mothers with children. Not even among black families. The Liberals helped break down this country's morals and has gone about creating dependent classes ever since.

Why is it:

1. Childish
2. Devoid of reality
3. Devoid of facts

When you've done that you'll need to prove the rest of your hypothesis.

Okay, just kidding, no you won't.

I was making a point about the validity of some of the other posts here.

My meta-point is that unless someone does some decent research into why this is happening (and of course I'm assuming it is) then all that will happen is finger-pointing, nascent and not-so-nascent racialist comment and generally a big slag-fest.

If everyone is just oh so concerned about fatherless black families then perhaps it's important enough to actually find out the reality of why it's happening and what can be done to reduce and eventually (hopefully) get it down to the levels of father desertion in the white community.

Or is that just a bit too confronting?

 

[Ravi]

get it down to the levels of father desertion in the white community

Do we even know if it is higher in one community or the other?

 

[Diuretic]

get it down to the levels of father desertion in the white community

Do we even know if it is higher in one community or the other?

Good question, I am really glad (I really am) you brought it up.

 

[Ravi]

I was wondering that ever since this thread got started. I tried to find statistics without any luck.

 

[BrianH]

Blacks get no shittier a deal than anyone else. As a matter of fact, being a racial minority in this country entitles one to handouts whites can't get.

IMO, anyone concerned with being a failure as a provider would not be running anywhere.

You can't put any clearer than that...And this takes place in every part of society. College is the same way. The government claims, when it comes to federal assistance for college, that they don't discriminate against race, but they do regardless, IMO.

The same thing goes for scholarships. General Scholarships are offered to "anyone" that apply--black, white, green, etc... Then you have specialty scholarships...NAACP scholarship, Lulac, etc... So far I have not seen a caucasion scholarship offered, that would be racist and discriminative. When I was in college, I got numerous scholarship e-mails that I had to delete because I didn't meet the requirements racially. If anyone finds any, I'll stand corrected.

Alot of blacks have been "conditioned" to believing that they deserve a handout from the government because they are getting a "crappy deal."

 

[Diuretic]

I was wondering that ever since this thread got started. I tried to find statistics without any luck.

Perhaps it's just too sensitive a subject to research?

 

[The_Hammer]

Yes.

Fatherless black families are caused by BLACK MEN.

I've only recently joined this forum but I've browsed a bit and have looked at the posts of the regular users. I've come to one conclusion.

You Mr. Joyce are retarded.

Do you know who causes fatherless WHITE families?

Sweet lord! It's WHITE MEN!

What about fatherless LATINO families?

My god! It's LATINO MEN!

All you have done in this topic Mr. Joyce is point out the obvious. That fatherless families are caused by MEN who don't commit to the responsibility of raising a child. Whether they be white, black, latino, asion, etc. The common denominator is a MAN not raising his child/children. That's all. The only reason you mentioned black men was to race bait. Now if you wanted to make a constructive argument you should have mentioned how, per capita, there are more black single mothers and should have mentioned how blacks are not capable of raising children yada yada yada. At least post a source that just isn't an opinion. Have facts sir. It's pathetic when someone tries to make a point on social dynamics without peer reviewed statistical evidence. It's sloppy. If you were a good racist it'd actually be hard, well not hard just more difficult, to tear your argument (if you can call it that it was only a statement) apart, douse it in gas, and light it on fire while laughing at you.

Moving on.

Any person with a job is responsible for fatherless black families. It's called welfare.

First sir, you need to take the proportion of single mother black families that are on welfare. Then you need to compare that to the total number of families that are on welfare and get a percentage. That sir is the true percentage of people who work, or the percentage of the menial amount of money that gets taken from ones check for welfare. Since it's your argument I'll let you do that yourself.

I should note that most people on welfare are white. However, per capita, blacks are more likely to be on welfare.

Blacks get no shittier a deal than anyone else. As a matter of fact, being a racial minority in this country entitles one to handouts whites can't get.

This is partially true. The real problem is poverty. The more money your family makes, the more likely you are to go to school, and thus make more money. However since blacks per capita are largely poorer than whites, they are less likely to go to school (college) and thus per capita less likely to have good jobs etc etc. However, you will notice that white and pretty much every other racial group of similar income brackets have similar attendances in college (poor blacks & whites don't tend to go to college while higher income blacks & whites do go to college).

The same thing goes for scholarships. General Scholarships are offered to "anyone" that apply--black, white, green, etc... Then you have specialty scholarships...NAACP scholarship, Lulac, etc... So far I have not seen a caucasion scholarship offered, that would be racist and discriminative. When I was in college, I got numerous scholarship e-mails that I had to delete because I didn't meet the requirements racially. If anyone finds any, I'll stand corrected.

Alot of blacks have been "conditioned" to believing that they deserve a handout from the government because they are getting a "crappy deal."

The NAACP and LULAC are private scholarship granting organizations. They do receive federal funding for being non-for profits, but being private organizations, they have every right to give scholarships and bias them to whomever they wish. There are no doubt scholarship organizations which do cater to Caucasians. You probably just have to search for them. They might not also specifically say white or caucasian as a requirement but might have requirements which would almost guarantee you to be caucasian.

Also, while it has gotten better in recent years, minorities (black specifically) are under represented as college (4 year degree). If you compare the 2003 population estimates with the number of bachelors degree recipients in that same year the percentage of blacks who graduate with a bachelors (~8.5%) compared to the population (~12.7%). That's not good. It might seem like only a 4% difference but that 4% means that that about 30% of blacks who should be in college or at least graduating aren't.

Also, I apologize for not posting my sources. I don't have enough posts to post direct links.

 

[mattskramer]

Black biological fathers are responsible for fatherless black families. Promiscuous unprotected sex and the use of contaminated needles are responsible for the spread of AIDS. Each individual should be ultimately responsible for the consequences of the decisions that he or she makes. So, what is your point?

 

[Larkinn]

The root problem is, IMO, blacks in general suffer from a false sense of entitlement based on being convinced they are victims by a political organization willing to foster such a climate in order to purchase their votes with promises of more handouts.

Why would anyone expect responsible behavior from a segment of the population that has been raised to believe they are in fact not responsible?

Which is why, of course, that before affirmative action blacks were striving and were equal in terms of income & such with whites, right? No? Then I guess it isn't that darn imaginary victim mentality.

 

[Taomon]

The Ku Klux Klan?

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.com/authors/Woodson-Wright.html

Nah.

Black men who "beget and forget."

Statistics bear out the accuracy of this conclusion. According to the National Center for Health Statistics, in 2005, 69% of black births were to unmarried mothers, a rate that has been increasing for years. And the social consequences of fatherless families are horrendous. Crime rates, drug and alcohol abuse, emotional and behavioral problems, school drop out rates, and a host of other social ills are much higher, sometimes by several multiples, in fatherless families than in families with an active and committed father.

Liberal-in-transition though I was, even when I was in the Army I could not credit the idea that the prevalent fatherlessness of black families could be ascribed to a supposed white racism. The Ku Klux Klan was not forcing Sergeant Smith to impregnate black women and then abandon them. To the contrary, Smith’s procreative adventures seemed a gesture of defiance toward white mores. If there is free moral choice in this world — and I believe there is — Smith made his choice as freely as many of the rest of us have chosen to act the role of fathers for our children.

Poverty, bigotry, despair, materialism...these are all factors. Each family and their circumstances are different. This subject cannot be generalized.

 

[Gunny]

Which is why, of course, that before affirmative action blacks were striving and were equal in terms of income & such with whites, right? No? Then I guess it isn't that darn imaginary victim mentality.

Oh yeah, affirmative action works so well. It forces employers to hire based on racial/gender quota rather than qualification.

Which of course has nothing to do with instilling the VERY REAL victim mentality in a people who believe they are still entitled because someone in their ancestry was a slave. A belief instilled by apologist white liberals who are afraid they might offend their own shadows.

 

[Shogun]

what is your solution, gunny?

 

[BrianH]

Hammer, welcome to the forums..

While I'll agree with your statistics, I think the statistics of college graduating minorities doesn't explain the reason that they are not there in the first place.

You have to admit that there is a larger number of black americans that do not expect their children to attend college.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

what is your solution, gunny?

One solution would be to STOP teaching people they are "entitled" to special treatment. STOP claiming whites are to blame for every problem blacks have. STOP claiming that the Country owe blacks something because 160 years ago we had slaves, by the way why don't we have slaves any more? One reason is because of a devastating war that was predominantly fought by WHITE men.

The laws are on the books to protect all minorities, it is past time to stop breeding dependence and excuses for failure. It is past time for a certain political party to stop selling the idea that whites owe blacks special treatment. It is PAST TIME to stop being so ignorant that you have to find reasons to feel guilty for things that happened BEFORE you were even BORN.

You do not make anyone "equal" by making them MORE than equal, by giving them special treatment. That breeds its own brand of problems. Either we are all equal under the law or we are not. Special programs set up for minorities is living proof we are NOT all equal. The Government MUST be color blind. Special programs should only exist as private group run. NO envolvement from the Government AT all.

Enforce the laws we have, make new ones if we need them, BUT end special treatment.

 

[Larkinn]

Oh yeah, affirmative action works so well. It forces employers to hire based on racial/gender quota rather than qualification.

Which of course has nothing to do with instilling the VERY REAL victim mentality in a people who believe they are still entitled because someone in their ancestry was a slave. A belief instilled by apologist white liberals who are afraid they might offend their own shadows.

All of which has nothing at all to do why blacks are statistically underprivileged in today's society.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

So far, this is the most peaceful and agreeing thread on the boards... .

Awesome....

Yea, shogun aint here yet.

There is a book written by a black preacher , I think from the central california coastal area, "a history of US civil rights legislation", I think it would shock everyone here.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

If everyone is just oh so concerned about fatherless black families then perhaps it's important enough to actually find out the reality of why it's happening and what can be done to reduce and eventually (hopefully) get it down to the levels of father desertion in the white community.

Blacks used to get married at the exact same rate as whites only a few decades ago, and the percentage of children born out of wedlock was only slightly higher. Then everything started changing dramatically in the mid/late 1960's.

The culprit? The welfare state. The welfare check has made black fathers obsolete. Black women do not have to be particularly careful about their sexual habits, because state or federal governments will foot the bills. If you try and save, or get married, or get a job, you lose your benefits. When you subsidize something...you get more of it. In this case, poverty. And besides which, it's not just blacks, anyway. The same problems have been observed in other races as well.

Plus all the stuff Gunny said. It used to be that local charities helped people out, and knew them well enough to know if they were loafing or not. (Then politicians realized they could muscle in on charity, and buy votes.) And if you were a loafer, you had to face the guilt of knowing that you were soaking up the money of your friends and family. If you persisted, perhaps you were ostracized. But shame and guilt are not politically correct emotions anymore.

Finally, the sense of entitlement. That was one of the big things that changed in the 1960's. The government agencies actually had official programs to promote the idea amongst aid recipients that getting welfare wasn't something to be ashamed of; but in fact was actually a right, and to fight for their rights. On top of that, you have race hustlers like Jesse Jackson who basically make a living stirring up shit, blaming others, and promoting the idea that it's not your fault. It's easier to make a living as a politician or making professional speaking engagements for thousands of dollars a pop, when you're a professional shit-stirrer who gets on TV a lot.