Who Here Has Had Enough of the Two Party System?

[buttercup]

 

[dblack]

You want to whine about the two party system...fine.

What alternatives do you have to offer?

Lots of alternatives. But if you don't want to change it, and all you're here to do is to shoot down ideas for changing it, what's the point in going through them? If you don't see a problem, if you think Trump and Harris are the best our nation can do, that's fine. I'll think you're blind as a bat, but that's just my opinion.

 

[toobfreak]

Not proposing any solutions here. Just trying to get a feel for where are.

None of the above.

The problem is not the 2-party system, we need the 2-party adversarial system, a 1 party system is autocracy, and a 3-4 party system just doesn't work.

The problem is the people we have in the 2-party system because the system is fundamentally corruptible and corrupted.

Just look at the Supreme Court: now they are ruling (and bitching) on stuff they already ruled on, decided, then lower courts just gave them the fat finger and did what they wanted anyway.

When a system bears no accountability for its rule breakers when they are the actual rule makers, a system becomes hopelessly corrupted.

 

[dblack]

None of the above.

The problem is not the 2-party system, we need the 2-party adversarial system, a 1 party system is autocracy, and a 3-4 party system just doesn't work.

The problem is the primacy of "party", not the number of parties. That and the entrenched positions that Ds and Rs have carved out for themselves.

 

[toobfreak]

The problem is the primacy of "party", not the number of parties. That and the entrenched positions that Ds and Rs have carved out for themselves.

Well, that is a problem, too. Just so happens that the 2-party system is the best choice of any number because it invites competing sides while remaining least inefficient. And Trump is competing and opposing. Now if just more Ds and Rs would do the same instead of just bleating the party line.

 

[dblack]

Well, that is a problem, too. Just so happens that the 2-party system is the best choice of any number ...

Why do we need an officially sanctioned number of parties? You know the Founders warned against this, right?

 

[toobfreak]

Why do we need an officially sanctioned number of parties? You know the Founders warned against this, right?

I don't get what part needs explaining?

1. 1 party system is just autocracy.
2. 2 party system offers best chance of choice and opposition.
3. 3 or more party system offers hopeless convolution with no one party getting enough of the vote and we could end up with "winners" most people do not like.

So 2 parties offers the best compromise, just so long as there is good choices and real choices. No matter what your views, if they are popular enough, they should find somewhere to fit within an honest 2 party system.

 

[dblack]

I don't get what part needs explaining?

1. 1 party system is just autocracy.
2. 2 party system offers best chance of choice and opposition.
3. 3 or more party system offers hopeless convolution with no one party getting enough of the vote and we could end up with "winners" most people do not like.

So 2 parties offers the best compromise, just so long as there is good choices and real choices. No matter what your views, if they are popular enough, they should find somewhere to fit within an honest 2 party system.

Parties shouldn't be enshrined into law, regardless of the number.

But it sounds like you're fine with two opposed factions. You even think it's a good thing. That's fine. I don't. I think the founders who warned against it were correct.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Lots of alternatives. But if you don't want to change it, and all you're here to do is to shoot down ideas for changing it, what's the point in going through them? If you don't see a problem, if you think Trump and Harris are the best our nation can do, that's fine. I'll think you're blind as a bat, but that's just my opinion.

I don't recall saying that....and in fact, if you look at my other posts I often lament that in a country of 330,000,000 people, it's amazing that the clown show we have in D.C. is the best we can do. But, some people just don't really take context into account. You might want to consider your own blindness.

What alternatives? That is what I was asking. If you don't want a three party system, or a four or a five...then what are your suggestions. I don't recall shooting down ideas. In your responses to me, you have not offered any.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I don't get what part needs explaining?

1. 1 party system is just autocracy.
2. 2 party system offers best chance of choice and opposition.
3. 3 or more party system offers hopeless convolution with no one party getting enough of the vote and we could end up with "winners" most people do not like.

So 2 parties offers the best compromise, just so long as there is good choices and real choices. No matter what your views, if they are popular enough, they should find somewhere to fit within an honest 2 party system.

We actually do have multiple parties in the sense that both parties are made up of factions.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Your “poll” is ridiculous

I would agree in that there is really no reasonable options to vote for.

 

[AntonToo]

Not proposing any solutions here. Just trying to get a feel for where are.

America's two-party system is failing us

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thefulcrum.us

I’m not tired of two party system, I’m just tired of all the stupid, petty, ignorant people they cater to.

Republicans that know better have been selling their damn souls to scrape the bottom of the barrel especially eagerly.

 

[Billiejeens]

History would disagree. There are at least two elections in my lifetime alone where a third party arguably determined who was elected President.

Was the person elected from one of the 2 parties?

 

[Mac1958]

Parties shouldn't be enshrined into law, regardless of the number.

But it sounds like you're fine with two opposed factions. You even think it's a good thing. That's fine. I don't. I think the founders who warned against it were correct.

The Founders made it pretty freakin' clear.

It would be interesting to see how a third (and even fourth) party would affect the Electoral College, too. It might cause some consensus-building. Working together for the good of the country! Oh no! Horrors!

 

[luiza]

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The bedrock for a Deep State .
So it will never change .

 

[Seymour Flops]

Not proposing any solutions here. Just trying to get a feel for where are.

America's two-party system is failing us

Cooper is the author of “ How America Works … and Why it Doesn’t. ” Are Kamala Harris and Donald Trump really the two best candidates for America's most demanding and important job? Hardly. Trump tried to reverse the last election. And while Harris would be a reversion toward the mean — after an...

thefulcrum.us

What country's system most resembles what you would like to see for the United States?

 

[Rawley]

Was the person elected from one of the 2 parties?

yep

 

[JanetTheGreat]

The Founders made it pretty freakin' clear.

It would be interesting to see how a third (and even fourth) party would affect the Electoral College, too. It might cause some consensus-building. Working together for the good of the country! Oh no! Horrors!

I would personally like to see all parties be banned, and for all candidates to be elected on merit, valor, and personal achievement rather than political associations.

 

[kyzr]

I would personally like to see all parties be banned, and for all candidates to be elected on merit, valor, and personal achievement rather than political associations.

So the ones with the most money always win. Not good.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

So the ones with the most money always win. Not good.

No. I would want a constitutional amendment banning both political parties, and political lobbying.