Who Here Has Had Enough of the Two Party System?

[22lcidw]

There are more than 2 parties here now.

List of political parties in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A third party needs to get a candidate tht can draw the people. And don't start that both parties are the same bulshit because the Democrats have NEVER pulled what Republicans have. And it is the right who continue pushing the both sides narrative that so many people have chosen to believe.

We're in this mess because of white fragility, bigotry, and stupidity.

In 2000, we had the chance to elect a president who would have continued policies that would have created a surplus. Instead, a plurality voted for a candidate who set record deficits because the prior president had an ffair.

In 2016, we had the chance to elect a president who would have continued policies that were paying down the debt, set record economic growth, and whose husband, who would have been her top advisor, implemented policies tht had this nation facing projected budget surpluses. Instead, we elected a racist because part of the nation had a problem with a black president, and an even bigger problem with that black president actually using his authority as a president.

Last year, we had the choice to elect a president wh was going to continue policies that created the best economy in the world, set records for low employment, and reduced crime in this country. Instead, people vooted fr an overt racist because he race pimped immigration after sabotaging a stringent immigration bill supported by the border patrol while believing that a person who had more pubic policy experience than that Republican even after he was president, because they believed false propaganda about her strength and qualifications.

So now we are here and some people dare believe that it is because the left strongly opposed bigotry, so a certain part of the population got angry, that's a ridiculous belief that says we must tolerate bigotry and be held hostage to bigots.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
-Joseph Goebbels

We have heard a narrative over and over now for several decades from only one side. The anti-government right wing. The problem is not the two-party system. It is us.

That 3rd party crap won't happen. The evidence is that Progs reelect the same crap in their own areas over and over and over. IQ 72.

 

[Stryder50]

But the fact that no third party of consequence is anywhere to be seen tells us that Americans don't care enough to do anything about this ******* disaster.

So which "third" party are you a member of, active in, and $upporting ???

Or are you another of the "Americans don't care enough to do anything about this" ???

 

[Mrkelly]

Alaska failed for certain
It put someone back in office that neither side really wanted.

Opinion?

 

[Stryder50]

Not proposing any solutions here. Just trying to get a feel for where are.

America's two-party system is failing us

Cooper is the author of “ How America Works … and Why it Doesn’t. ” Are Kamala Harris and Donald Trump really the two best candidates for America's most demanding and important job? Hardly. Trump tried to reverse the last election. And while Harris would be a reversion toward the mean — after an...

thefulcrum.us

Are you now, or have ever been, REALLY active in either of the two Major Parties ?
OR:
So which "third" party are you a member of, active in, and $upporting ???

Or are you another of the "Americans don't care enough to do anything about this" ???

Bitching and moaning about what gripes you is cheap and useless.
If you aren't actively doing something for a "solution", then there really isn't the problem you claim is there.

 

[Billiejeens]

Opinion?

no

 

[IM2]

I agree. The problem is you. But the poll results are encouraging. They align with poll after poll showing that most voters think both parties suck. Maybe we can get our shit together and kick them (you) to the curb.

No, the problem is those like you. **** the polls. Until a third party can find a candidate who can make enough sense to draw the people to them, this is what we have. The reality is that in the last election, we had a real choice, and it was stupid to look at what these candidates were proposing and then believe they were the same or that you had to choose between 2 evils.

In this century, 3 times we have had the choice to stay on a positive path and made the opposite choice. So now, because people have made these wrong choices, people want to claim the two-party system is the problem instead of the choices individuals made at the ballot box.

We have voted for stalemates in the government, then complain about how the parties suck. Obama was president, and he was stalemated by a Republican Congress. Biden was in office, stalemated by a Republican Congress. When a Republican president is in office and has a majority, there is no stalemate. Funny how that happens.

Terms should be limited to 3 terms in Congress and 1 term in the Senate. Both are 6 years. Once you have been elected, if you are defeated or have reached your term limit, you can no longer serve in either house. Then new faces could be recycled instead of having 90-year-olds in the Senate and House.

 

[Mrkelly]

no

Link?

no

 

[Stryder50]

There are more than 2 parties here now.

List of political parties in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A third party needs to get a candidate that can draw the people. And don't start that both parties are the same bullshit because the Democrats have NEVER pulled what Republicans have. And it is the right who continues pushing the both sides narrative that so many people have chosen to believe.

We're in this mess because of white fragility, bigotry, and stupidity.

In 2000, we had the chance to elect a president who would have continued policies that would have created a surplus. Instead, a plurality voted for a candidate who set record deficits because the prior president had an affair.

In 2016, we had the chance to elect a president who would have continued policies that were paying down the debt, set record economic growth, and whose husband, who would have been her top advisor, implemented policies that had this nation facing projected budget surpluses. Instead, we elected a racist because part of the nation had a problem with a black president, and an even bigger problem with that black president actually using his authority as president.

Last year, we had the choice to elect a president who was going to continue policies that created the best economy in the world, set records for low employment, and reduced crime in this country. Instead, people voted for an overt racist because he race pimped immigration after sabotaging a stringent immigration bill supported by the border patrol while believing that a person who had more pubic policy experience than that Republican, even after he had been president, because they believed false propaganda about her strength and qualifications.

So now we are here, and some people dare believe that it is because the left strongly opposed bigotry, so a certain part of the population got angry, that's a ridiculous belief that says we must tolerate bigotry and be held hostage to bigots.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
-Joseph Goebbels

We have heard a narrative over and over now for several decades from only one side. The anti-government right wing. The problem is not the two-party system. It is us.

You overlook the anti-Constitution/anti-USA Left wing ~ "fundamental change" ...
When not just being anarchists such as the Left's political action organization = AntiFa.

 

[Stryder50]

No, the problem is those like you. **** the polls. Until a third party can find a candidate who can make enough sense to draw the people to them, this is what we have. The reality is that in the last election, we had a real choice, and it was stupid to look at what these candidates were proposing and then believe they were the same or that you had to choose between 2 evils.

In this century, 3 times we have had the choice to stay on a positive path and made the opposite choice. So now, because people have made these wrong choices, people want to claim the two-party system is the problem instead of the choices individuals made at the ballot box.

We have voted for stalemates in the government, then complain about how the parties suck. Obama was president, and he was stalemated by a Republican Congress. Biden was in office, stalemated by a Republican Congress. When a Republican president is in office and has a majority, there is no stalemate. Funny how that happens.

Terms should be limited to 3 terms in Congress and 1 term in the Senate. Both are 6 years. Once you have been elected, if you are defeated or have reached your term limit, you can no longer serve in either house. Then new faces could be recycled instead of having 90-year-olds in the Senate and House.

Komrade, you fail to grasp that the majority aren't interested in being parasitic deadwood like you and your phony socialist parasites.

When a Democrat is on POTUS and has a (Democrat ) majority in Congress there also is no "stalemate".
Both cases show the failures that come from a one party system.

You are under the delusion that there is a majority of USA citizens who think and believe as you do. Alas you are a minority in many ways.

 

[Stryder50]

Link?

Another facet of "the problem".
Click on your username to get some gauge of who/what you are and this;

Oops! We ran into some problems.​

This member limits who may view their full profile.

If one hasn't the courage to show who and what they are, or the brains to make up a convincing lie, they likely won't grasp the real nature of "the problem" or any "REAL solution".

 

[HikerGuy83]

True, plus there is the Tea Party, the Green Party, the Constitutionalist Party, and others. Usually, several parties are on every ballot, just that the two main ones dominate.

Look at Ross Perot: when he ran, he was like a third party. People loved him, but instead of winning, he just took enough votes from the likely winner (otherwise) and allowed the other party to win instead.

That was no different than 2020. The Lincoln project and the McCain camp managed to peel off enough votes for Biden and Trump lost. The scum.

My bigger concern is governing. Not elections.

The few people in leadership run the show and wield the power. That, to me, is where we should be focused.

Someone like Pelosi, who pretty much ran Biden off, is much to much for this country to have to stomach.

 

[Mrkelly]

No, the problem is those like you. **** the polls. Until a third party can find a candidate who can make enough sense to draw the people to them, this is what we have. The reality is that in the last election, we had a real choice, and it was stupid to look at what these candidates were proposing and then believe they were the same or that you had to choose between 2 evils.

In this century, 3 times we have had the choice to stay on a positive path and made the opposite choice. So now, because people have made these wrong choices, people want to claim the two-party system is the problem instead of the choices individuals made at the ballot box.

We have voted for stalemates in the government, then complain about how the parties suck. Obama was president, and he was stalemated by a Republican Congress. Biden was in office, stalemated by a Republican Congress. When a Republican president is in office and has a majority, there is no stalemate. Funny how that happens.

Terms should be limited to 3 terms in Congress and 1 term in the Senate. Both are 6 years. Once you have been elected, if you are defeated or have reached your term limit, you can no longer serve in either house. Then new faces could be recycled instead of having 90-year-olds in the Senate and House.

My only problem with term limits is

What if we get someone good?

A true fighter that gives a shit, and no desires to move up , just wants to serve the people (unlikely but possible)

If people paid attention, voters should decide term limits

Again, unlikely, but a guy can hope

 

[initforme]

Whats wrong with being in the center? Absolutely nothing. The sign of intelligence

 

[Mac1958]

So which "third" party are you a member of, active in, and $upporting ???

Or are you another of the "Americans don't care enough to do anything about this" ???

I contribute to the Forward Party, and I have since it started. You can go ahead and mock and insult that now.

I guess you thought you "had" me there. But I'm not like you. Thank goodness.

 

[elektra]

Not proposing any solutions here. Just trying to get a feel for where are.

America's two-party system is failing us

Cooper is the author of “ How America Works … and Why it Doesn’t. ” Are Kamala Harris and Donald Trump really the two best candidates for America's most demanding and important job? Hardly. Trump tried to reverse the last election. And while Harris would be a reversion toward the mean — after an...

thefulcrum.us

two parties? MAGA is a party all by itself, we took over the GOP

There is more than two choices, demorats, repukeicans, and MAGA

 

[pknopp]

And we have your real agenda

Elect people that don't have the support to govern.

"Governing" has got us 37 trillion in debt and involved in foreign mess after mess.

 

[gipper]

two parties? MAGA is a party all by itself, we took over the GOP

There is more than two choices, demorats, repukeicans, and MAGA

…and all of them suck and all are very much alike.

There! I finished it for you.

 

[pknopp]

24 - 6 - 1 tells me that even those who can't bring themselves to not vote for one of the two main parties understand that doing that is causing harm to the country.

 

[gipper]

Whats wrong with being in the center? Absolutely nothing. The sign of intelligence

No. Standing between two criminal gangs who are every much alike, isn’t intelligent. Opposing both crime families in every way possible is.

 

[Billiejeens]

"Governing" has got us 37 trillion in debt and involved in foreign mess after mess.

So, we don't govern?
What do we acquiesce to?