Who here favors expanding the Supreme Court?

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The problem with both sides is as the old saying goes they can't think beyond the end of their nose. 2013 Harry Reid and the Democrats use the nuclear option to get cabinet nominees and lower court justices confirmed with a simple majority vote instead of the 60 I have no doubt Reid and the Democrats did this believing they would keep the Senate in 2014 and the Presidency in 2016 and use this to their full advantage. The problem they never considered it seems that they could lose both and they did and the Republicans used it to their full advantage. Now lets flip to the Republicans Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans using the precedent set by Reid and the Democrats used the nuclear option to get the vote for Supreme Court Justices from 60 down to the simple majority vote and they got two nominees on the court by doing so but be assured when the Democrats have the Presidency and Senate again this will bite the Republicans in the ass just like how what Reid did came back to bite the Democrats in it.
It doesn’t really matter which party gets to nominate a justice. In the end, the court is all about continuing the status quo to benefit the ultra wealthy.
It is perverted by the SWAMP.
 

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Apparently, so did you when you claimed, in your last post, that Bush got everything he wanted.

The fact of those filibusters remains, tho, bud. McCain doesn't change the fact that judicial appointment gaming is a democrat tradition as much as it is a republican one.
Bush got what he wanted on SCOTUS. The Gang of 14 was Republicans objecting to him putting absolutely clowns on the bench.
 

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Apparently, so did you when you claimed, in your last post, that Bush got everything he wanted.

The fact of those filibusters remains, tho, bud. McCain doesn't change the fact that judicial appointment gaming is a democrat tradition as much as it is a republican one.
Bush got what he wanted on SCOTUS. The Gang of 14 was Republicans objecting to him putting absolutely clowns on the bench.
 

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Apparently, so did you when you claimed, in your last post, that Bush got everything he wanted.

The fact of those filibusters remains, tho, bud. McCain doesn't change the fact that judicial appointment gaming is a democrat tradition as much as it is a republican one.
Bush got what he wanted on SCOTUS. The Gang of 14 was Republicans objecting to him putting absolutely clowns on the bench.
You know, when you had only said it twice, I really questioned the wisdom of your claim.

Now that you've repeated that claim a third time, however, everything seems so new and different. Thank you.
 

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The courts are now a political toy.

Do whatever you can get away with. Stack the courts. Block appointments. Hold seats open until you have a favorable Presidency. Nuclear option appointments
Agreed. But do you favor the democrats packing the courts to get their way on things?

Yes or no?

Of course he does, he's a paid commiecrat poster. Anything the commies want is fine with him, to hell with the country.

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So who here agrees with it?

The reasoning in the article was this:

“We can’t go on like this where every time there’s a vacancy, there’s this apocalyptic ideological battle,” he added.

But how would the ideological battle change with more Supreme Court justices? It makes not sense. Essentially, the battles would rage even more as more and more would need to be appointed.
This is a unique situation because Trump was an illegitimate President who got two appointments he didn't deserve...

Of course, we could just wait for Uncle Thomas to retire, and then it will be 5-4 liberals (assuming that Ginsburg survives long enough to get Trump out of office.)

I do think we should do additional reforms. When the Constitution was written, nobody thought we'd have a court with 2/3rds of its members past retirement age.

So we should limit these guys to a 20 year term, with forced retirements of one a year until we get everyone under 20 years. (That means, force the retirements of Uncle Thomas in 2021, Ginsburg in 2022, Bryer in 2023, before we have Roberts retire in 2025, and then everyone else, 20 years after they were first appointed.

We should also require a 2/3rd majority in the Senate to appoint a Supreme Court Justice so we don't get hyper-partisans.

Your forced retirement scheme would require a constitutional amendment, good luck with that.

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The problem with both sides is as the old saying goes they can't think beyond the end of their nose. 2013 Harry Reid and the Democrats use the nuclear option to get cabinet nominees and lower court justices confirmed with a simple majority vote instead of the 60 I have no doubt Reid and the Democrats did this believing they would keep the Senate in 2014 and the Presidency in 2016 and use this to their full advantage. The problem they never considered it seems that they could lose both and they did and the Republicans used it to their full advantage. Now lets flip to the Republicans Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans using the precedent set by Reid and the Democrats used the nuclear option to get the vote for Supreme Court Justices from 60 down to the simple majority vote and they got two nominees on the court by doing so but be assured when the Democrats have the Presidency and Senate again this will bite the Republicans in the ass just like how what Reid did came back to bite the Democrats in it.
Tradition was that Presidents were given the courtesy of appointing judges with bipartisan support. Rejection was reserved for extreme cases.
When McConnell was minority leader he used filibuster on all judicial appointments to keep Obama from filling seats. Reid grew frustrated with the number of infilled seats and threatened the nuclear option.
McConnell said he would be a good boy and Reid put the option away and Mitch went back to filibustering Obama appointments

Finally Reid grew frustrated and invoked the nuclear option on lower court appointments only.

Republicans raised the stakes and blocked Obama from filling a Supreme Court seat and invoked nuclear option on the Supreme Court
 

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Hold seats open until you have a favorable Presidency.
Ah, yes...

the Biden Plan.
It's also exactly what McConnell did with Obama's last appointment.
Biden said it long before McConnell became Senate Majority Leader, when Joe was Judiciary Chairman.
Biden was not Senate Majority Leader and never had the power to invoke it. McConnell did for one year
 

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The problem with both sides is as the old saying goes they can't think beyond the end of their nose. 2013 Harry Reid and the Democrats use the nuclear option to get cabinet nominees and lower court justices confirmed with a simple majority vote instead of the 60 I have no doubt Reid and the Democrats did this believing they would keep the Senate in 2014 and the Presidency in 2016 and use this to their full advantage. The problem they never considered it seems that they could lose both and they did and the Republicans used it to their full advantage. Now lets flip to the Republicans Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans using the precedent set by Reid and the Democrats used the nuclear option to get the vote for Supreme Court Justices from 60 down to the simple majority vote and they got two nominees on the court by doing so but be assured when the Democrats have the Presidency and Senate again this will bite the Republicans in the ass just like how what Reid did came back to bite the Democrats in it.
Tradition was that Presidents were given the courtesy of appointing judges with bipartisan support. Rejection was reserved for extreme cases.
When McConnell was minority leader he used filibuster on all judicial appointments to keep Obama from filling seats. Reid grew frustrated with the number of infilled seats and threatened the nuclear option.
McConnell said he would be a good boy and Reid put the option away and Mitch went back to filibustering Obama appointments

Finally Reid grew frustrated and invoked the nuclear option on lower court appointments only.

Republicans raised the stakes and blocked Obama from filling a Supreme Court seat and invoked nuclear option on the Supreme Court
Both sides have been more than willing to shove tradition out of the way when it suited them anyone Democrat or Republican who pretends otherwise is either a fool, liar or both.
 

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The courts are now a political toy.

Do whatever you can get away with. Stack the courts. Block appointments. Hold seats open until you have a favorable Presidency. Nuclear option appointments
Agreed. But do you favor the democrats packing the courts to get their way on things?

Yes or no?

Of course he does, he's a paid commiecrat poster. Anything the commies want is fine with him, to hell with the country.

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The problem with both sides is as the old saying goes they can't think beyond the end of their nose. 2013 Harry Reid and the Democrats use the nuclear option to get cabinet nominees and lower court justices confirmed with a simple majority vote instead of the 60 I have no doubt Reid and the Democrats did this believing they would keep the Senate in 2014 and the Presidency in 2016 and use this to their full advantage. The problem they never considered it seems that they could lose both and they did and the Republicans used it to their full advantage. Now lets flip to the Republicans Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans using the precedent set by Reid and the Democrats used the nuclear option to get the vote for Supreme Court Justices from 60 down to the simple majority vote and they got two nominees on the court by doing so but be assured when the Democrats have the Presidency and Senate again this will bite the Republicans in the ass just like how what Reid did came back to bite the Democrats in it.
Tradition was that Presidents were given the courtesy of appointing judges with bipartisan support. Rejection was reserved for extreme cases.
When McConnell was minority leader he used filibuster on all judicial appointments to keep Obama from filling seats. Reid grew frustrated with the number of infilled seats and threatened the nuclear option.
McConnell said he would be a good boy and Reid put the option away and Mitch went back to filibustering Obama appointments

Finally Reid grew frustrated and invoked the nuclear option on lower court appointments only.

Republicans raised the stakes and blocked Obama from filling a Supreme Court seat and invoked nuclear option on the Supreme Court
Both sides have been more than willing to shove tradition out of the way when it suited them anyone Democrat or Republican who pretends otherwise is either a fool, liar or both.
Exactly

Now it is time to raise the stakes again and pack the courts

Why? Because you can
 

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Long ago during the reign of FDR the nation experienced the Progressive attack on Constitutional law known as the Court Packing Scheme. Many of you probably have never even heard of it in school because schools only cast a favorable light on Progressives such as FDR, but it happened nonetheless. Essentially, SCOTUS had just struck down FDR's New Deal in many regards and he was pissed out of his mind, so he came up with a scheme to add Supreme Court Justices who would pass his legislation. Luckily, no one else wanted to go along with this blatant attempt to subvert the checks and balances set up by the Founders that stood in FDR's way. And Americans were overwhelmingly against the idea as well. This sort of corruption is what later prompted Congress to act to limit the terms of the President, with FDR who had just achieved his third term.

However, FDR is a Progressive god to Progressives today, and they are wanting to follow in his footsteps by trying to do what he tried to do long ago. The difference today is that you have about half the populace ready to follow the DNC no matter what it does or says, as opposed to Americans back in the 1040's who were aghast at the corruption of FDR and his Court Packing Scheme. Mark my words, once back in power they will attempt this because their agenda is so radical, they will need to rewrite the Constitution with the help of their Supreme Court Justice stooges.

So who here agrees with it?

The reasoning in the article was this:

“We can’t go on like this where every time there’s a vacancy, there’s this apocalyptic ideological battle,” he added.

But how would the ideological battle change with more Supreme Court justices? It makes not sense. Essentially, the battles would rage even more as more and more would need to be appointed.


This sort of thing is what we have to look forward to with a Biden win
Packing the court is a douchebag tactic. No wonder Dims support it.
 

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The problem with both sides is as the old saying goes they can't think beyond the end of their nose. 2013 Harry Reid and the Democrats use the nuclear option to get cabinet nominees and lower court justices confirmed with a simple majority vote instead of the 60 I have no doubt Reid and the Democrats did this believing they would keep the Senate in 2014 and the Presidency in 2016 and use this to their full advantage. The problem they never considered it seems that they could lose both and they did and the Republicans used it to their full advantage. Now lets flip to the Republicans Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans using the precedent set by Reid and the Democrats used the nuclear option to get the vote for Supreme Court Justices from 60 down to the simple majority vote and they got two nominees on the court by doing so but be assured when the Democrats have the Presidency and Senate again this will bite the Republicans in the ass just like how what Reid did came back to bite the Democrats in it.
Both sides know exactly what they are doing...........whatever it takes to stay in power and appease the lobbyist that made them all millionaires............and NOTHING MORE.
Republicans have spent the Trump years packing the courts with young conservatives

Time for Dems to retaliate
 

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The problem with both sides is as the old saying goes they can't think beyond the end of their nose. 2013 Harry Reid and the Democrats use the nuclear option to get cabinet nominees and lower court justices confirmed with a simple majority vote instead of the 60 I have no doubt Reid and the Democrats did this believing they would keep the Senate in 2014 and the Presidency in 2016 and use this to their full advantage. The problem they never considered it seems that they could lose both and they did and the Republicans used it to their full advantage. Now lets flip to the Republicans Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans using the precedent set by Reid and the Democrats used the nuclear option to get the vote for Supreme Court Justices from 60 down to the simple majority vote and they got two nominees on the court by doing so but be assured when the Democrats have the Presidency and Senate again this will bite the Republicans in the ass just like how what Reid did came back to bite the Democrats in it.
Tradition was that Presidents were given the courtesy of appointing judges with bipartisan support. Rejection was reserved for extreme cases.
When McConnell was minority leader he used filibuster on all judicial appointments to keep Obama from filling seats. Reid grew frustrated with the number of infilled seats and threatened the nuclear option.
McConnell said he would be a good boy and Reid put the option away and Mitch went back to filibustering Obama appointments

Finally Reid grew frustrated and invoked the nuclear option on lower court appointments only.

Republicans raised the stakes and blocked Obama from filling a Supreme Court seat and invoked nuclear option on the Supreme Court
Both sides have been more than willing to shove tradition out of the way when it suited them anyone Democrat or Republican who pretends otherwise is either a fool, liar or both.
Exactly

Now it is time to raise the stakes again and pack the courts

Why? Because you can
Because you can wow what a great reason for doing something.
 

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I think we should expand it. We should lose that skinny little twit, What's-her-Face lying on her deathbed, and seat someone with more heft.

(And more sanity.)
 

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The courts are now a political toy.

Do whatever you can get away with. Stack the courts. Block appointments. Hold seats open until you have a favorable Presidency. Nuclear option appointments
Agreed. But do you favor the democrats packing the courts to get their way on things?

Yes or no?
As things stand today I would say stacking the courts is overkill.

However, if RBG were to die tomorrow and Republicans ramrodded a replacement in the next four months after claiming it was inappropriate for Obama to do it with a year left in his presidency.......I say Dems should do whatever they feel necessary to retake the Court.

Worst case. RBG dies after Trump loses and Republicans lose the Senate and Republicans rush a replacement in less than 60 days as lame ducks.

In that case, all out war should be declared.
 

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You all cheered when Obama reminded conservatives that "elections have consequences". Yet as soon as YOU don't like the consequences, you turn the game board over and scatter the checkers all over the floor.
The difference is, Trump didn't get the most votes in the election. The people said no. Loudly. Clearly.

So, yeah, maybe it's time to scatter the checkers all over the floor when you realize the other side has been cheating all along.

Yeah, keep pushing irrelevant crap, that's all you commies have. The most votes only have relevance in the State where they are cast. But hey at least you admit you wish to destroy the federal system established by our founders.

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The courts are now a political toy.

Do whatever you can get away with. Stack the courts. Block appointments. Hold seats open until you have a favorable Presidency. Nuclear option appointments
Agreed. But do you favor the democrats packing the courts to get their way on things?

Yes or no?

Of course he does, he's a paid commiecrat poster. Anything the commies want is fine with him, to hell with the country.

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Commies!
I see Commies EVERYWHERE

I'm sure you do, since you are paid by them. LMAO

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The problem with both sides is as the old saying goes they can't think beyond the end of their nose. 2013 Harry Reid and the Democrats use the nuclear option to get cabinet nominees and lower court justices confirmed with a simple majority vote instead of the 60 I have no doubt Reid and the Democrats did this believing they would keep the Senate in 2014 and the Presidency in 2016 and use this to their full advantage. The problem they never considered it seems that they could lose both and they did and the Republicans used it to their full advantage. Now lets flip to the Republicans Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans using the precedent set by Reid and the Democrats used the nuclear option to get the vote for Supreme Court Justices from 60 down to the simple majority vote and they got two nominees on the court by doing so but be assured when the Democrats have the Presidency and Senate again this will bite the Republicans in the ass just like how what Reid did came back to bite the Democrats in it.
Both sides know exactly what they are doing...........whatever it takes to stay in power and appease the lobbyist that made them all millionaires............and NOTHING MORE.
Republicans have spent the Trump years packing the courts with young conservatives

Time for Dems to retaliate

Wow, filling vacancies, OH THE HORROR.

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