Who Are The Palestinians?

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

CULTURESHOC

 

[docmauser1]

Who are the Palestinians? CULTURESHOC

There's no crap like toob crap, isn't it?

 

[Phoenall]

Let the truth be known to all.

Who Are The Palestinians What And Where Is Palestine

Palestine was created by the brits. and wasn't any more or less real than Israel. So?

Wrong Palestine was created by the Romans and is just as real as the gobi desert.

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

Rula Jebreal

Who Are The Palestinians?

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=49

What else do you have?

Aw bless you for asking. Would you like to learn more from me on who are the Palestinians?

Arab-Palestinian Terrorist Groups

I don't buy into Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign, sorry.

How about the rest of the world that sees the Palestinians as terrorist murderers then ?

What will you say when the ICJ says they are terrorists guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity on a scale never before seen ?

 

[Phoenall]

WOW, all that name calling.

What else you got?

You just cant handle the truth can you when it comes to the reality that is the Palestinians. Even their own fellow arab muslims say they are terrorists and you ignore it.

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

CULTURESHOC

Just islamonazi propaganda init !

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Rula Jebreal

Who Are The Palestinians?

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=49

What else do you have?

Aw bless you for asking. Would you like to learn more from me on who are the Palestinians?

Arab-Palestinian Terrorist Groups

I don't buy into Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign, sorry.

How about the rest of the world that sees the Palestinians as terrorist murderers then ?

What will you say when the ICJ says they are terrorists guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity on a scale never before seen ?

Not true. The term is only used by Israel and a handful of toadies.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

 

[Phoenall]

Who Are The Palestinians?

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=49

What else do you have?

Aw bless you for asking. Would you like to learn more from me on who are the Palestinians?

Arab-Palestinian Terrorist Groups

I don't buy into Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign, sorry.

How about the rest of the world that sees the Palestinians as terrorist murderers then ?

What will you say when the ICJ says they are terrorists guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity on a scale never before seen ?

Not true. The term is only used by Israel and a handful of toadies.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

Does not say they can target children inside Israel from a land they say is not under occupation. So this means they are terrorists as detailed by their fellow arab muslims . And you forget since 1988 the Palestinians have had independence, national unity and liberation from foreign domination and occupation in gaza and the west bank. They just refuse to accept the consequences of their terrorism.

As I said what will you say and do when the ICJ passes judgement on the people of Palestine and declares them terrorists and guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Because that is why fatah has instigated the ICJ proceedings to gain control of gaza and then remove the remaining hamas leaders when the majority are facing jail for their crimes.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What else do you have?

Aw bless you for asking. Would you like to learn more from me on who are the Palestinians?

Arab-Palestinian Terrorist Groups

I don't buy into Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign, sorry.

How about the rest of the world that sees the Palestinians as terrorist murderers then ?

What will you say when the ICJ says they are terrorists guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity on a scale never before seen ?

Not true. The term is only used by Israel and a handful of toadies.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

Does not say they can target children inside Israel from a land they say is not under occupation. So this means they are terrorists as detailed by their fellow arab muslims . And you forget since 1988 the Palestinians have had independence, national unity and liberation from foreign domination and occupation in gaza and the west bank. They just refuse to accept the consequences of their terrorism.

As I said what will you say and do when the ICJ passes judgement on the people of Palestine and declares them terrorists and guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Because that is why fatah has instigated the ICJ proceedings to gain control of gaza and then remove the remaining hamas leaders when the majority are facing jail for their crimes.

The safety of children is the responsibility of their parents.

I have seen no evidence showing that Israel does not occupy Palestine.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Palestinians are Israel's 'native indians.' Just as indians are the USA's.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinians are Israel's 'native indians.' Just as indians are the USA's.

The only difference is that when America was conquered it was not illegal to do so.

When Israel conquered Palestine it was.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Palestinians are Israel's 'native indians.' Just as indians are the USA's.

The only difference is that when America was conquered it was not illegal to do so.

When Israel conquered Palestine it was.

America telling itself it's legal doesn't mean being legal is also being moral. Not every legal act is also moral.

 

[Phoenall]

Aw bless you for asking. Would you like to learn more from me on who are the Palestinians?

Arab-Palestinian Terrorist Groups

I don't buy into Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign, sorry.

How about the rest of the world that sees the Palestinians as terrorist murderers then ?

What will you say when the ICJ says they are terrorists guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity on a scale never before seen ?

Not true. The term is only used by Israel and a handful of toadies.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

Does not say they can target children inside Israel from a land they say is not under occupation. So this means they are terrorists as detailed by their fellow arab muslims . And you forget since 1988 the Palestinians have had independence, national unity and liberation from foreign domination and occupation in gaza and the west bank. They just refuse to accept the consequences of their terrorism.

As I said what will you say and do when the ICJ passes judgement on the people of Palestine and declares them terrorists and guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Because that is why fatah has instigated the ICJ proceedings to gain control of gaza and then remove the remaining hamas leaders when the majority are facing jail for their crimes.

The safety of children is the responsibility of their parents.

I have seen no evidence showing that Israel does not occupy Palestine.

So you admit that you ignore all the links posted that show the Palestinians to be liars and terrorists, and that they admit to this in public.

Pick the bones out of this report then Hamas says Gaza not occupied UN disagrees - Opinion - Jerusalem Post


Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency.

Zahar was casting doubt on whether Hamas would organize anti-Israel marches in Gaza in conjunction with similar protests that the Fatah-controlled Palestinian Authority would organize in the West Bank.

“Against whom could we demonstrate in the Gaza Strip? When Gaza was occupied, that model was applicable,” Zahar said.

The radical Islamist organization has merely recognized the obvious: that after Israel in 2005 dismantled its military administration in Gaza, forcibly evicted all Israeli residents and withdrew every last soldier, Israel no longer occupies the territory by any legal definition or other sense of the term.

Whatever external control Israel – and Egypt - may exercise, everyone in Gaza knows that Hamas rules the territory with an iron fist.

THE HAMAS statement follows growing recognition among international lawyers that the UN’s resistance to holding Palestinians responsible for territory they control is outdated.

Four-and-a-half years after seizing power in Gaza, Hamas runs its own police, courts, jails, schools, media and social services, noted Abraham Bell and Dov Shefi, two international legal experts, in a 2010 research paper for the University of San Diego law school.


Hamas regulates business activities, banks and land registries. It levies taxes, controls its own borders and even imposes a dress code. In sum, wrote Bell and Shefi, Hamas operates “a functioning and fully independent local civil government, buttressed by armed forces.”

Similarly, in an article published in the American University International Law Review, Elizabeth Samson concluded that under the Geneva Conventions and international judicial precedents, Gaza can no longer be considered occupied because Israel, despite its ability to exercise certain powers over the area, no longer exercises “effective control,” the litmus test for what qualifies as occupation.

So even experts in International law are saying that gaza is not occupied so the UN res you use does not apply to them. And even the Geneva conventions say that gaza is not occupied. This leaves you with a major problem as it points to hamas being a terrorist group and you are defending the mass murder of children

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinians are Israel's 'native indians.' Just as indians are the USA's.

The only difference is that when America was conquered it was not illegal to do so.

When Israel conquered Palestine it was.

When did Israel conquer Palestine then, as in 1967 it was Egypt and Jordan, Palestine did not exist until 1988 under International law

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinians are Israel's 'native indians.' Just as indians are the USA's.

The only difference is that when America was conquered it was not illegal to do so.

When Israel conquered Palestine it was.

When did Israel conquer Palestine then, as in 1967 it was Egypt and Jordan, Palestine did not exist until 1988 under International law

You always post things that are not true.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 ​

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've seen this citation before. Remember, that this Resolution was written at a time when the West Bank was still sovereign Jordanian Territory, a decade before the Hostile Arab Palestinians declared independence;
and still 15 years before the Oslo Accords were agreed upon.

Not true. The term is only used by Israel and a handful of toadies.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

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First, let me say that there are plenty of people that believe as you --- and the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) believes.

KHALED ABU TOAMEH 12/03/2012]
Osama Hamdan says Palestinian state without an armed struggle against Israel is an illusion, won't add anything for Palestinians.

“The PLO has paid a heavy political price for this representation because it relinquished its claim to the lands of 1948,” Hamdan said. “Therefore, the real achievement lies in the liberation of the land, the return of the refugees and achieving steadfastness on the land. These are the achievements which the people respect and appreciate.”

He also reiterated Hamas’s commitment to the armed struggle against Israel. He said that his movement would continue to seek the “liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea.”
SOURCE: Jerusalem Post --- Middle East --- Hamas: State needs armed struggle with Israel

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By the same token, there are many that do not hold to the concept of "armed Struggle" and that the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States should take precedence over Resolution 33/24.

Abbas: Palestinians don't need armed struggle - …

Abbas: Palestinians don't need armed struggle ... "The UN Human Rights Council ... Your comment must be approved by a moderator before being published on ... By JPOST.COM STAFF \03/17/2013​

But no matter how you believe, the UN Security Council has in "Affirming once more that the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 is applicable to the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem," through S/RES/465 (1980). And that leave consequences for the HoAP in application of Carte blanche "jihad and armed struggle" for the territory of the State of Israel (proper) as well as the territories occupied since 1967. In fact, most experts would agree on the applicability of international humanitarian law (IHL), and occupation law to the territories occupied since 1967. The Article 68 GCIV, as well as some other additional protocols come into play.

NOTE: There is a difference between where the UN has given its blessing to armed struggle by all available means, and where the HoAP (Islamic Resistance Movement and the Palestine Liberation Organizations) apply that policy.

The HoAP apply that policy to the “liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea.” It is a policy that there is no legitimacy to any territory for the Independence of Israel.

Then, there is the UN application of the unrestricted (by all available means) armed struggle to territories occupied since 1967.
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From a practical standpoint, there is a question as to whether there is a de facto war between the State of Palestine and the State of Israel; or, if it is actually a war between two sovereign states with an Occupation component. Occupation is often characterized by the continuation or resumption of hostilities between the occupying forces (Israel/IDF) on the one hand and the armed forces (Unity Government --- Jihadist and Fedayeen) of the occupied territory; or other affiliated HoAP the unity government on the other. Force might also be used by the occupying power within the framework of its obligation to restore and maintain public order in the occupied territory; to protect the sovereignty of Israel from incursion by the HoAP to "liberate Palestine" (form the river to the sea); and the maintenance of international peace and security by containing and quarantining HoAP from spreading further harm.

But make no mistake, that A/RES/33/24 does not prohibit Israel from exercising countermeasure under the convention against HoAP intent on during harm or causing death.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinians are Israel's 'native indians.' Just as indians are the USA's.

The only difference is that when America was conquered it was not illegal to do so.

When Israel conquered Palestine it was.

When did Israel conquer Palestine then, as in 1967 it was Egypt and Jordan, Palestine did not exist until 1988 under International law

You always post things that are not true.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 ​

Then you will be able to produce the name of its leader, its de facto capital city, its currency, its passports and its officials signature on the treaty. What you are talking about is the citizenship order that was enacted to give the people of Palestine a legal identity when travelling, so the Mandate power became the protector in deed and name. There was never a Palestinian nation until 1988 when they applied to the UN and it was granted. Before this time it was a place on the map that had no borders and no infrastructure

 

[P F Tinmore]

But make no mistake, that A/RES/33/24 does not prohibit Israel from exercising countermeasure under the convention against HoAP intent on during harm or causing death.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

Where do these resolutions conflict?

 

[Phoenall]

But make no mistake, that A/RES/33/24 does not prohibit Israel from exercising countermeasure under the convention against HoAP intent on during harm or causing death.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

Where do these resolutions conflict?

As soon as terrorism is used and excused by people claiming these resolutions cover it. The fact that the Palestinians have independence and are self governing. It does not mean that Israel has to accept their violence and attacks just because they are not capable of any humanity or self governance.
But as you have been told time and time again the above does not apply because the land occupied by Israel was Jordanian and did not become independent until 1988

 

[Phoenall]

But make no mistake, that A/RES/33/24 does not prohibit Israel from exercising countermeasure under the convention against HoAP intent on during harm or causing death.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

Where do these resolutions conflict?

As soon as terrorism is used and excused by people claiming these resolutions cover it. The fact that the Palestinians have independence and are self governing. It does not mean that Israel has to accept their violence and attacks just because they are not capable of any humanity or self governance.
But as you have been told time and time again the above does not apply because the land occupied by Israel was Jordanian and did not become independent until 1988