Who Are The Palestinians?

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Nidaa Badwan, Gaza

 

[MJB12741]

Aw bless you for asking. Would you like to learn more from me on who are the Palestinians?

Arab-Palestinian Terrorist Groups

I don't buy into Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign, sorry.

How about the rest of the world that sees the Palestinians as terrorist murderers then ?

What will you say when the ICJ says they are terrorists guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity on a scale never before seen ?

Not true. The term is only used by Israel and a handful of toadies.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

Does not say they can target children inside Israel from a land they say is not under occupation. So this means they are terrorists as detailed by their fellow arab muslims . And you forget since 1988 the Palestinians have had independence, national unity and liberation from foreign domination and occupation in gaza and the west bank. They just refuse to accept the consequences of their terrorism.

As I said what will you say and do when the ICJ passes judgement on the people of Palestine and declares them terrorists and guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Because that is why fatah has instigated the ICJ proceedings to gain control of gaza and then remove the remaining hamas leaders when the majority are facing jail for their crimes.

The safety of children is the responsibility of their parents.

Yahoo! Tinmore finally gets it. "THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR PARENTS." And who said he is an imbecile?

Child suicide bombers in the Israeli Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[MJB12741]

I don't buy into Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign, sorry.

How about the rest of the world that sees the Palestinians as terrorist murderers then ?

What will you say when the ICJ says they are terrorists guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity on a scale never before seen ?

Not true. The term is only used by Israel and a handful of toadies.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

Does not say they can target children inside Israel from a land they say is not under occupation. So this means they are terrorists as detailed by their fellow arab muslims . And you forget since 1988 the Palestinians have had independence, national unity and liberation from foreign domination and occupation in gaza and the west bank. They just refuse to accept the consequences of their terrorism.

As I said what will you say and do when the ICJ passes judgement on the people of Palestine and declares them terrorists and guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Because that is why fatah has instigated the ICJ proceedings to gain control of gaza and then remove the remaining hamas leaders when the majority are facing jail for their crimes.

The safety of children is the responsibility of their parents.

Yahoo! Tinmore finally gets it. "THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR PARENTS." And who said he is an imbecile?

Child suicide bombers in the Israeli Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't think that the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960) is directly applicable to Israel and the general Palestine situation. I believe that the self-determination exercised (1948) by the Jewish People pursuant to the directions of the UN set the conditions. I also think that the conditions were altered in 1988 by the Palestinian exercise of self-determination.

A 1960 Resolution cannot be retroactively applied to a 1948 action.

I also think that the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the territories occupied since 1967 will not end the conflict. That the Jihadist and Fedayeen have made it abundantly clear that they intend to continue the struggle until all of Palestine (river to sea) is liberated from Israeli sovereignty. That a withdrawal under the decolonization concept of Resolution 1514 (XV) presupposes that once the designated area is granted sovereignty, that hostilities would come to an end. The Arab Palestinians declared independence in 1988, and there is no sign that the hostilities will be abated.

But make no mistake, that A/RES/33/24 does not prohibit Israel from exercising countermeasure under the convention against HoAP intent on during harm or causing death.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

Where do these resolutions conflict?

(COMMENT)

The government of the State of Palestine is a coalition type of arrangement that claims to unite The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) with the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) element Fatah Movement through a negotiated reconciliation process; forming a partnership. Both Movements (the Islamic Resistance and Fatah) have politically telegraphed their intentions to utilize Jihad and the armed resistance as the method for the liberation of Palestine. Giving rise to UNSC Resolution 1368 (Recognizing the inherent right of individual or collective self defense in accordance with the Charter --- and authority to combat by all means threats to international peace and security caused by terrorist acts).

The conflict between the various resolutions is this.

Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States (General Assembly Resolution A/RES/25/2625) stipulates that: "Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States." Clearly, this is diametrically opposed to The universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples (General Assembly Resolution A/RES/33/24) which stipulates the exact opposite: legitimizing armed struggle by all available means --- or --- the unrestrained use of force. The principle line of thought is to continue to strengthen and make best possible use of the capacities of the United Nations in areas such as conflict prevention, negotiation, mediation, conciliation, judicial settlement, rule of law, peacekeeping and peace building , in order to contribute to the successful prevention and peaceful resolution of prolonged unresolved conflicts. We recognize that the peaceful resolution of such conflicts would contribute to strengthening the global fight against terrorism.

The very idea of allowing or giving justification to the Arab Palestinians for the use of unrestrained armed struggle is simply not in keeping with the intent of the Charter: --- "All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered."

• General Assembly Resolution 110 (II). Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war ---- "Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression;"
• UN Security Council Resolution 1373. Refrain from providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists; ---- "all States shall: (a) Refrain from providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists;"
• General Assembly Resolution 49/60. Measures to eliminate international terrorism ---- "Convinced also that the suppression of acts of international terrorism, including those in which States are directly or indirectly involved, is an essential element for the maintenance of international peace and security,"
• General Assembly Resolution 51/210. Measures to eliminate international terrorism ---- "Strongly condemns all acts, methods and practices of terrorism as criminal and unjustifiable, wherever and by whomsoever committed;"

There can be no justification for terrorism by the Hostile Arab Palestinian. Whether that be the kidnapping and murder of unarmed teenagers, the indiscriminate launching of thousands of rockets and mortars from populated areas, or the hijackings, suicide bombings and ambushes of civilians in Israel; and elsewhere.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

Aw bless you for asking. Would you like to learn more from me on who are the Palestinians?

Arab-Palestinian Terrorist Groups

I don't buy into Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign, sorry.

How about the rest of the world that sees the Palestinians as terrorist murderers then ?

What will you say when the ICJ says they are terrorists guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity on a scale never before seen ?

Not true. The term is only used by Israel and a handful of toadies.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

Does not say they can target children inside Israel from a land they say is not under occupation. So this means they are terrorists as detailed by their fellow arab muslims . And you forget since 1988 the Palestinians have had independence, national unity and liberation from foreign domination and occupation in gaza and the west bank. They just refuse to accept the consequences of their terrorism.

As I said what will you say and do when the ICJ passes judgement on the people of Palestine and declares them terrorists and guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Because that is why fatah has instigated the ICJ proceedings to gain control of gaza and then remove the remaining hamas leaders when the majority are facing jail for their crimes.

The safety of children is the responsibility of their parents.



Yahoo! Tinmore finally gets it. "THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR PARENTS." And who said he is an imbecile?

Child suicide bombers in the Israeli Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

By the same token, there are many that do not hold to the concept of "armed Struggle" and that the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States should take precedence over Resolution 33/24.

Where do they disagree?

 

[MJB12741]

In the words of PFTinmore, "THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR PARENTS." And who said he is an imbecile?

Child suicide bombers in the Israeli Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't think that the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960) is directly applicable to Israel and the general Palestine situation. I believe that the self-determination exercised (1948) by the Jewish People pursuant to the directions of the UN set the conditions. I also think that the conditions were altered in 1988 by the Palestinian exercise of self-determination.

A 1960 Resolution cannot be retroactively applied to a 1948 action.

I also think that the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the territories occupied since 1967 will not end the conflict. That the Jihadist and Fedayeen have made it abundantly clear that they intend to continue the struggle until all of Palestine (river to sea) is liberated from Israeli sovereignty. That a withdrawal under the decolonization concept of Resolution 1514 (XV) presupposes that once the designated area is granted sovereignty, that hostilities would come to an end. The Arab Palestinians declared independence in 1988, and there is no sign that the hostilities will be abated.

But make no mistake, that A/RES/33/24 does not prohibit Israel from exercising countermeasure under the convention against HoAP intent on during harm or causing death.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

Where do these resolutions conflict?

(COMMENT)

The government of the State of Palestine is a coalition type of arrangement that claims to unite The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) with the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) element Fatah Movement through a negotiated reconciliation process; forming a partnership. Both Movements (the Islamic Resistance and Fatah) have politically telegraphed their intentions to utilize Jihad and the armed resistance as the method for the liberation of Palestine. Giving rise to UNSC Resolution 1368 (Recognizing the inherent right of individual or collective self defense in accordance with the Charter --- and authority to combat by all means threats to international peace and security caused by terrorist acts).

The conflict between the various resolutions is this.

Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States (General Assembly Resolution A/RES/25/2625) stipulates that: "Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States." Clearly, this is diametrically opposed to The universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples (General Assembly Resolution A/RES/33/24) which stipulates the exact opposite: legitimizing armed struggle by all available means --- or --- the unrestrained use of force. The principle line of thought is to continue to strengthen and make best possible use of the capacities of the United Nations in areas such as conflict prevention, negotiation, mediation, conciliation, judicial settlement, rule of law, peacekeeping and peace building , in order to contribute to the successful prevention and peaceful resolution of prolonged unresolved conflicts. We recognize that the peaceful resolution of such conflicts would contribute to strengthening the global fight against terrorism.

The very idea of allowing or giving justification to the Arab Palestinians for the use of unrestrained armed struggle is simply not in keeping with the intent of the Charter: --- "All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered."

• General Assembly Resolution 110 (II). Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war ---- "Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression;"
• UN Security Council Resolution 1373. Refrain from providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists; ---- "all States shall: (a) Refrain from providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists;"
• General Assembly Resolution 49/60. Measures to eliminate international terrorism ---- "Convinced also that the suppression of acts of international terrorism, including those in which States are directly or indirectly involved, is an essential element for the maintenance of international peace and security,"
• General Assembly Resolution 51/210. Measures to eliminate international terrorism ---- "Strongly condemns all acts, methods and practices of terrorism as criminal and unjustifiable, wherever and by whomsoever committed;"

There can be no justification for terrorism by the Hostile Arab Palestinian. Whether that be the kidnapping and murder of unarmed teenagers, the indiscriminate launching of thousands of rockets and mortars from populated areas, or the hijackings, suicide bombings and ambushes of civilians in Israel; and elsewhere.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is confusing to you because of cognitive dissonance.

That is where the facts conflict with your beliefs.

 

[Phoenall]

Who are the Palestinians?

Nidaa Badwan, Gaza

Nope an illegal immigrant that should not be in Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't think that the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960) is directly applicable to Israel and the general Palestine situation. I believe that the self-determination exercised (1948) by the Jewish People pursuant to the directions of the UN set the conditions. I also think that the conditions were altered in 1988 by the Palestinian exercise of self-determination.

A 1960 Resolution cannot be retroactively applied to a 1948 action.

I also think that the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the territories occupied since 1967 will not end the conflict. That the Jihadist and Fedayeen have made it abundantly clear that they intend to continue the struggle until all of Palestine (river to sea) is liberated from Israeli sovereignty. That a withdrawal under the decolonization concept of Resolution 1514 (XV) presupposes that once the designated area is granted sovereignty, that hostilities would come to an end. The Arab Palestinians declared independence in 1988, and there is no sign that the hostilities will be abated.

But make no mistake, that A/RES/33/24 does not prohibit Israel from exercising countermeasure under the convention against HoAP intent on during harm or causing death.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

Where do these resolutions conflict?

(COMMENT)

The government of the State of Palestine is a coalition type of arrangement that claims to unite The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) with the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) element Fatah Movement through a negotiated reconciliation process; forming a partnership. Both Movements (the Islamic Resistance and Fatah) have politically telegraphed their intentions to utilize Jihad and the armed resistance as the method for the liberation of Palestine. Giving rise to UNSC Resolution 1368 (Recognizing the inherent right of individual or collective self defense in accordance with the Charter --- and authority to combat by all means threats to international peace and security caused by terrorist acts).

The conflict between the various resolutions is this.

Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States (General Assembly Resolution A/RES/25/2625) stipulates that: "Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States." Clearly, this is diametrically opposed to The universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples (General Assembly Resolution A/RES/33/24) which stipulates the exact opposite: legitimizing armed struggle by all available means --- or --- the unrestrained use of force. The principle line of thought is to continue to strengthen and make best possible use of the capacities of the United Nations in areas such as conflict prevention, negotiation, mediation, conciliation, judicial settlement, rule of law, peacekeeping and peace building , in order to contribute to the successful prevention and peaceful resolution of prolonged unresolved conflicts. We recognize that the peaceful resolution of such conflicts would contribute to strengthening the global fight against terrorism.

The very idea of allowing or giving justification to the Arab Palestinians for the use of unrestrained armed struggle is simply not in keeping with the intent of the Charter: --- "All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered."

• General Assembly Resolution 110 (II). Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war ---- "Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression;"
• UN Security Council Resolution 1373. Refrain from providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists; ---- "all States shall: (a) Refrain from providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists;"
• General Assembly Resolution 49/60. Measures to eliminate international terrorism ---- "Convinced also that the suppression of acts of international terrorism, including those in which States are directly or indirectly involved, is an essential element for the maintenance of international peace and security,"
• General Assembly Resolution 51/210. Measures to eliminate international terrorism ---- "Strongly condemns all acts, methods and practices of terrorism as criminal and unjustifiable, wherever and by whomsoever committed;"

There can be no justification for terrorism by the Hostile Arab Palestinian. Whether that be the kidnapping and murder of unarmed teenagers, the indiscriminate launching of thousands of rockets and mortars from populated areas, or the hijackings, suicide bombings and ambushes of civilians in Israel; and elsewhere.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is confusing to you because of cognitive dissonance.

That is where the facts conflict with your beliefs.

Wrong it is were your beliefs conflict with the truth and reality of what is a simple problem. The Palestinians did not exist before 1988 and as such are not covered by those resolutions. Also those resolutions are not legally binding and as such have no force in law. So they are just paper exercises for the benefit of those like yourself who use every dirty trick in the book to demonise the Jews.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I don't think that the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960) is directly applicable to Israel and the general Palestine situation. I believe that the self-determination exercised (1948) by the Jewish People pursuant to the directions of the UN set the conditions. I also think that the conditions were altered in 1988 by the Palestinian exercise of self-determination.

A 1960 Resolution cannot be retroactively applied to a 1948 action.

Colonization is not just a one time event. It is an ongoing condition. If that condition existed in 1960, the resolution applies. If the condition exists in 2015, the resolution applies.

 

[Phoenall]

I don't think that the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960) is directly applicable to Israel and the general Palestine situation. I believe that the self-determination exercised (1948) by the Jewish People pursuant to the directions of the UN set the conditions. I also think that the conditions were altered in 1988 by the Palestinian exercise of self-determination.

A 1960 Resolution cannot be retroactively applied to a 1948 action.

Colonization is not just a one time event. It is an ongoing condition. If that condition existed in 1960, the resolution applies. If the condition exists in 2015, the resolution applies.

It existed in 635 C.E. as well when the arab muslims started their colonisation, so it must apply to them even more. So tell them to get out of Israel, Judea and Samaria to make room for the original inhabitants.

But it is only your belief that the Jews colonised their own land stolen by the arab muslims, who then lost it for good in 1099. The truth is the legal owners gave the land to the Jews for their National home and the squatters did not like that.

 

[MJB12741]

Who Are The Palestinians?

Gaza Palestinian Rockets Unlawfully Targeted Israeli Civilians Human Rights Watch

 

[P F Tinmore]

I don't think that the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960) is directly applicable to Israel and the general Palestine situation. I believe that the self-determination exercised (1948) by the Jewish People pursuant to the directions of the UN set the conditions. I also think that the conditions were altered in 1988 by the Palestinian exercise of self-determination.

A 1960 Resolution cannot be retroactively applied to a 1948 action.

Colonization is not just a one time event. It is an ongoing condition. If that condition existed in 1960, the resolution applies. If the condition exists in 2015, the resolution applies.

It existed in 635 C.E. as well when the arab muslims started their colonisation, so it must apply to them even more. So tell them to get out of Israel, Judea and Samaria to make room for the original inhabitants.

But it is only your belief that the Jews colonised their own land stolen by the arab muslims, who then lost it for good in 1099. The truth is the legal owners gave the land to the Jews for their National home and the squatters did not like that.

The truth is the legal owners gave the land to the Jews...

Not true, again. International law, the Treaty of Lausanne, and the mandate gave Palestine to the Palestinians.

 

[MJB12741]

Palestinians --- So much for Pali supporters to be proud of.

https://commentisfreewatch.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/al-aqsa_martyrs_brigade.jpg

 

[Phoenall]

I don't think that the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960) is directly applicable to Israel and the general Palestine situation. I believe that the self-determination exercised (1948) by the Jewish People pursuant to the directions of the UN set the conditions. I also think that the conditions were altered in 1988 by the Palestinian exercise of self-determination.

A 1960 Resolution cannot be retroactively applied to a 1948 action.

Colonization is not just a one time event. It is an ongoing condition. If that condition existed in 1960, the resolution applies. If the condition exists in 2015, the resolution applies.

It existed in 635 C.E. as well when the arab muslims started their colonisation, so it must apply to them even more. So tell them to get out of Israel, Judea and Samaria to make room for the original inhabitants.

But it is only your belief that the Jews colonised their own land stolen by the arab muslims, who then lost it for good in 1099. The truth is the legal owners gave the land to the Jews for their National home and the squatters did not like that.

The truth is the legal owners gave the land to the Jews...

Not true, again. International law, the Treaty of Lausanne, and the mandate gave Palestine to the Palestinians.

LINKS ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I don't think that the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960) is directly applicable to Israel and the general Palestine situation. I believe that the self-determination exercised (1948) by the Jewish People pursuant to the directions of the UN set the conditions. I also think that the conditions were altered in 1988 by the Palestinian exercise of self-determination.

A 1960 Resolution cannot be retroactively applied to a 1948 action.

Colonization is not just a one time event. It is an ongoing condition. If that condition existed in 1960, the resolution applies. If the condition exists in 2015, the resolution applies.

It existed in 635 C.E. as well when the arab muslims started their colonisation, so it must apply to them even more. So tell them to get out of Israel, Judea and Samaria to make room for the original inhabitants.

But it is only your belief that the Jews colonised their own land stolen by the arab muslims, who then lost it for good in 1099. The truth is the legal owners gave the land to the Jews for their National home and the squatters did not like that.

The truth is the legal owners gave the land to the Jews...

Not true, again. International law, the Treaty of Lausanne, and the mandate gave Palestine to the Palestinians.

LINKS ?

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
--------------------------------
SECTION II .
NATIONALITY.
ARTICLE 30.

Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipsofacto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive
------------------------------
3.Q. What measures have been taken to bring the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will safeguard the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion? What are the effects of these measures?

A. The Palestinian Citizenship Order in Council which was made in August, 1925, provides for the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by persons habitually resident in the country who were Ottoman subjects, and persons who were foreign subjects and take up permanent residence.

Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations 31 December 1925
----------------------------------
The first Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24 July 1925; it was the first official enactment that outlined the legal definition of a Palestinian. Its first article defined a Palestinian as a "Turkish subject habitually resident in the territory of Palestine." It defined the territorial criteria for citizenship, and appeared to be nondiscriminatory legislation, which provided granting of citizenship to an applicant, irrespective of their race, religion or language.

History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is nonsense.

Not true, again. International law, the Treaty of Lausanne, and the mandate gave Palestine to the Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

During the 1920's, there was no international law applicable to the situation.

The Treaty of Lausanne (1924) makes no mention of either Palestine or Palestinians. Nothing in the Treaty of Lausanne changes anything concerning the outline of the Middle East situation or the stipulations made under the Treaty of Sevres.

However six years earlier, the signing abroad the Battleship HMS Agamemnon, the Armistice of Mudros brought to an end the participation of the Ottoman Empire in World War I --- effectively—if not legally—marking the dissolution of the empire. Under the terms of the armistice, the Ottomans surrendered their remaining garrisons in Hejaz, Yemen, Syria, Mesopotamia, Tripolitania, and Cyrenaica to the Allied Powers. The Treaty of Sevres (1920) made the surrender of the territory and relinquished sovereignty to the Allied Powers.​

GENERAL PROVISIONS.
ARTICLE 132.

Outside her frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers all rights and title which she could claim on any ground over or concerning any territories outside Europe which are not otherwise disposed of by the present Treaty.

Turkey undertakes to recognise and conform to the measures which may be taken now or in the future by the Principal Allied Powers, in agreement where necessary with third Powers, in order to carry the above stipulation into effect.

The Article 22(8) Covenant, sets the degree of authority, control, or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory shall, if not previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, be explicitly defined in each case by the Council. The Mandate for Palestine was created by the Allied Powers for the Mandate and subject to the Council of the League of Nations (The consent of the Council of the League of Nations is required for any modification of the terms of this mandate.). The Mandate does not pass-on sovereignty as a directive to any other entity.

• Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Once again, this is being misapplied.

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
--------------------------------
SECTION II .
NATIONALITY.
ARTICLE 30.

Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipsofacto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive
------------------------------
3.Q. What measures have been taken to bring the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will safeguard the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion? What are the effects of these measures?

A. The Palestinian Citizenship Order in Council which was made in August, 1925, provides for the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by persons habitually resident in the country who were Ottoman subjects, and persons who were foreign subjects and take up permanent residence.

Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations 31 December 1925
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The first Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24 July 1925; it was the first official enactment that outlined the legal definition of a Palestinian. Its first article defined a Palestinian as a "Turkish subject habitually resident in the territory of Palestine." It defined the territorial criteria for citizenship, and appeared to be nondiscriminatory legislation, which provided granting of citizenship to an applicant, irrespective of their race, religion or language.

History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

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The 1925 Palestine Citizenship Order establishes the directive for the application.

The Treaty of Lausanne (Section II, Article 30) has no being on the control of sovereignty. To suggest that this somehow transfers sovereignty of the territory under the Mandate to the Arab Palestinian is pure nonsense.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

I don't think that the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960) is directly applicable to Israel and the general Palestine situation. I believe that the self-determination exercised (1948) by the Jewish People pursuant to the directions of the UN set the conditions. I also think that the conditions were altered in 1988 by the Palestinian exercise of self-determination.

A 1960 Resolution cannot be retroactively applied to a 1948 action.

Colonization is not just a one time event. It is an ongoing condition. If that condition existed in 1960, the resolution applies. If the condition exists in 2015, the resolution applies.

It existed in 635 C.E. as well when the arab muslims started their colonisation, so it must apply to them even more. So tell them to get out of Israel, Judea and Samaria to make room for the original inhabitants.

But it is only your belief that the Jews colonised their own land stolen by the arab muslims, who then lost it for good in 1099. The truth is the legal owners gave the land to the Jews for their National home and the squatters did not like that.

The truth is the legal owners gave the land to the Jews...

Not true, again. International law, the Treaty of Lausanne, and the mandate gave Palestine to the Palestinians.

LINKS ?

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
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SECTION II .
NATIONALITY.
ARTICLE 30.

Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipsofacto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive
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3.Q. What measures have been taken to bring the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will safeguard the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion? What are the effects of these measures?

A. The Palestinian Citizenship Order in Council which was made in August, 1925, provides for the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by persons habitually resident in the country who were Ottoman subjects, and persons who were foreign subjects and take up permanent residence.

Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations 31 December 1925
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The first Palestine Citizenship Order was enacted by Britain on 24 July 1925; it was the first official enactment that outlined the legal definition of a Palestinian. Its first article defined a Palestinian as a "Turkish subject habitually resident in the territory of Palestine." It defined the territorial criteria for citizenship, and appeared to be nondiscriminatory legislation, which provided granting of citizenship to an applicant, irrespective of their race, religion or language.

History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

What year did that become International law, and a link proving it.

What you are quoting is not International law and the state that took control was Britain, plus no state was actually dissolved as none existed there prior to 1948.


So no actual links to support your claims as the treaty of Lausanne does not mention Palestine once on purpose, because it was never a nation in its own right. The Mandate for Palestine ( as opposed to the British Mandate ) clearly states

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate


ARTICLE 1.
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.

ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 3.
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.



Not once does it mention the nation of Palestine or the arab muslims, but it does mention the fact that in INTERNATIONAL LAW the Jews would receive the 22% of Palestine remaining as their NATIONAL HOME and that any Jew that migrated to Palestine would be automatically granted protected Palestinian citizenship under the British mandate.

This is how you produce evidence of your claims, not some site that upholds your own POV.