Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Identification
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

QUESTION: Who is the "HAMAS Lady?"

P F Tinmore said:
Ahhh, the Hamas lady posts again.

(COMMENT)

I'm sure I am misunderstanding either your meaning or the specific "lady" to which you are referring.

I have seen you use the phrase "HAMAS Lady" a number of times this past month and seem to be directing the description towards our friend "Hollie." Yet this description seems to fit you many more times than it fits "Hollie."

Just for clarification and my personal edification, just who are you describing, and what is your meaning?

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Most Respectfully,

R
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Identification
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

QUESTION: Who is the "HAMAS Lady?"


P F Tinmore said:
Ahhh, the Hamas lady posts again.

(COMMENT)

I'm sure I am misunderstanding either your meaning or the specific "lady" to which you are referring.

I have seen you use the phrase "HAMAS Lady" a number of times this past month and seem to be directing the description towards our friend "Hollie." Yet this description seems to fit you many more times than it fits "Hollie."

Just for clarification and my personal edification, just who are you describing, and what is your meaning?

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Most Respectfully,

R
I have seen you use the phrase "HAMAS Lady" a number of times this past month and seem to be directing the description towards our friend "Hollie."
Indeed, and you would be correct. Only a small number of Palestinians are Hamas. Yet her posts imply that there is nobody else. Virtually all of her videos are MEMRI or PMW both of which are well established Israeli propaganda organizations.
 
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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Identification
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

QUESTION: Who is the "HAMAS Lady?"


P F Tinmore said:
Ahhh, the Hamas lady posts again.

(COMMENT)

I'm sure I am misunderstanding either your meaning or the specific "lady" to which you are referring.

I have seen you use the phrase "HAMAS Lady" a number of times this past month and seem to be directing the description towards our friend "Hollie." Yet this description seems to fit you many more times than it fits "Hollie."

Just for clarification and my personal edification, just who are you describing, and what is your meaning?

1611604183365.png

Most Respectfully,

R
I have seen you use the phrase "HAMAS Lady" a number of times this past month and seem to be directing the description towards our friend "Hollie."
Indeed, and you would be correct. Only a small number of Palestinians are Hamas. Yet her posts imply that there is nobody else. Virtually all of her videos are MEMRI or PMW both of which are well established Israeli propaganda organizations.
Indeed, your well established Pom Pom flailing for islamic terrorists fails to acknowledge many uncomfortable realities.

Let's look at some facts, shall we?
Post #19817 was the most recent post by me using Pal Media Watch. While it may hurt your feelings, reviewing the link will reveal that the information was taken from "Official PA TV, June 4".

Your usual slogan of "Israeli propaganda" means what exactly when your islamic terrorist heroes broadcasted the material on public television?

My posts have never implied that Hamas is the only islamic terrorist franchise in the areas occupied by Hamas, PIJ, Islamic gee-had, Al-Quds Brigades and other sub organizations.

Indeed, are your feelings hurt?
 
The Pally culture of self-inflicted disasters includes abusing their children for politico-religious reasons.

Indeed, while it may hurt someone's feelings, note the source:
Official PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, June 13, 2021

Not propaganda but reflective of the actions of pious Moslems who are immersed in a retrograde culture of hate, self-hate and sociopathic behavior.




A kid called Eichmann
Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Jun 24, 2021
Official PA daily praises Palestinian who named his son Eichmann “to anger Zionism”
The ways Palestinians can “resist” and “fight” Israel seem to be unlimited. One such way, which was praised by the official PA daily, is to give your child a name that “angers Zionism.”

You can name your child Eichmann, for example!

In the following story, the official PA daily praised a Palestinian “fighting family” for its “love of the struggle” against Israel through generations. Recounting the many ways different members of the Abu Atwan family have “struggled,” the paper highlighted the fact that one of the men named his son “Eichmann” after Adolf Eichmann, a high ranking officer in the Nazi SS and one of the major architects of the genocide of over 6,000,000 of the Jews of Europe:

“Out of his love for his homeland, he gave birth to a son and gave him the name Eichmann to anger Zionism. After the Mossad (Israeli Secret Intelligence Service) executed Adolf Eichmann, [Al-Ghadanfar’s] grandfather said: ‘The one who burned the Jews out of hatred has passed on, and the Palestinian Eichmann has been born.’”

[Official PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, June 13, 2021
 
Hurt Feelings Alert!


The bill seeks “to impose financial sanctions on foreign persons, agencies, and governments that assist Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, or their affiliates.”
 
The ways Palestinians can “resist” and “fight” Israel seem to be unlimited. One such way, which was praised by the official PA daily, is to give your child a name that “angers Zionism.”

You can name your child Eichmann, for example!

In the following story, the official PA daily praised a Palestinian “fighting family” for its “love of the struggle” against Israel through generations. Recounting the many ways different members of the Abu Atwan family have “struggled,” the paper highlighted the fact that one of the men named his son “Eichmann” after Adolf Eichmann, a high ranking officer in the Nazi SS and one of the major architects of the genocide of over 6,000,000 of the Jews of Europe:

(full article online)

 
[ And his name is Daniel ? ]

Daniel Jadue, a grandson of Palestinian immigrants, is the frontrunner to become Chile’s next president.

He is an outspoken critic of Israel, but more importantly, he has been recognized as an antisemite since he was in high school. For Jadue, there is no distinction.

The bio says that "this antisemite was seen in all coastal waters," that he will become the leader of the PLO "to cleanse the city of Jews," that "he sings manifestos against his beloved and esteemed neighbors 'the Jews'" and that a proper gift for him would be "a Jew he can aim at."

(It is also notable that his high school classmates felt that Jew-hatred was a joke.)

His antisemitism pre-dates his current claim of being merely "anti-Zionist."

(full article online)

 
Banat’s family, who say they were with him during the arrest, accused over twenty PA officers of violently beating him.

According to his relatives, the arrest took place around 3:30 a.m. The officers first began hitting Nizar with iron bars when he was asleep before stripping him naked and continuing to beat him. They also used pepper spray to neutralize him.

“They beat him for about eight straight minutes. Are you coming to kill him or what?” his cousin Mohammad told Palestinian reporters outside the Banat home in Dura, deeming it a “vicious beating.”

(full article online)

 
As the international community seeks ways to help the residents of the Gaza Strip after the recent war between Israel and Hamas... and PIJ are diverting their budgets to training children to become soldiers in the war to destroy Israel.
  • Palestinian Islamic Jihad confirms that... the Palestinians "are preparing the liberation generation for the 'great liberation' battle for this blessed land."
  • They have enough funds to launch camps to brainwash and indoctrinate their own children, but are not prepared to invest in rebuilding homes that were destroyed or damaged during the last Israel-Hamas war.
  • For Hamas and PIJ, the ambition to destroy Israel is evidently stronger than the desire to protect the lives of their children and raise them to become, say, doctors or engineers. The children who are now undergoing military training in the Gaza Strip will soon appear as masked men in the armed groups of Hamas and PIJ.
  • This bodes rather ill for the Biden administration's talk about a "two-state solution" and the need to revive the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians.

(full article online)

 
Why the Unrest in Gaza Might Get Worse,” the June 17 The New Republicarticle by freelance journalist Dalia Hatuqa is so rife with factual errors and partisan reporting it’s hard to know where to begin.



Attack on the house of senior Hamas operative Atallah Abu al-Sabah. All around, buildings are not pulverized (QudsN Facebook page, May 19, 2021)

In her most outrageous, factually-challenged assertion, Hatuqa fabricates: “Gaza was pulverized by an 11-day-long Israeli bombardment in May.” But the facts tell a different story. According to the United Nations, in the last round of fighting last month,”450 buildings in the Gaza Strip were completely destroyed or damaged by missiles.” According to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (2018), there are 186,156 buildings in the Gaza Strip. In other words, no more than .2 percent of the buildings in the Gaza Strip were damaged or destroyed. (Presumably, additional buildings have been constructed since 2018, driving the percentage down further.) The tiny percentage of buildings affected by the fighting completely belies Hatuqa’s sweeping fabrication that “Gaza was pulverized.”

(full article online)

 
There is something to be said for taking a firm stance with religious fanatics. When those fanatics spend their every waking moment in sweaty, feverish calls to gee-had, make sure you're prepared for the worst.






Israel’s relatively short history is full of evidence that concessions to implacable enemies lead to violence and increased costs in terms of human life and property, while holding firm leads to calm.
 
It's something of a game the west plays with the islamic terrorists. We shower them with welfare money which they use for gee-had and for personal gain. We impose no real conditions on how they spend the welfare or how much welfare money they steal. We occasionally slap them on the wrist for the worst examples of their behavior but we don't stop the welfare payments.





A European Union commissioner has said that funding from the 27-member bloc of nations for schools in the Palestinian Authority (PA) must be conditioned on respect in the curriculum for tolerance and non-violence alongside the outright rejection of antisemitism.
 
Endorsing the entire PA curriculum, PA PM Shtayyeh thus justifies the portrayal of murderer Mughrabi as a role model for youth, and especially as an example of women’s empowerment. PM Shtayyeh also sanctions that Palestinian children are indirectly taught that it is legitimate to use violence and terror against civilians - the ultimate essence of Mughrabi’s “fame,” and that for which she is known among Palestinians.

By his statement, Shtayyeh also approves of the denial of Israel's right to exist in any borders, as is taught to Palestinian children through maps that show all of the State of Israel as included in “the State of Palestine.” According to the EU report:

 
When the Islamic terrorist dictator sends a message, he goes big.



According to his family, around 25 officers stripped Banat naked and beat him with clubs and iron bars while he was asleep. They also used pepper spray on him.

The PA’s Independent Commission for Human Rights (ICHR) said an autopsy showed Banat sustained heavy blows to the head that indicated “an unnatural death.”
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Identification
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

BLUF::
“Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,” Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon declared at the opening of a high-level meeting of the Security Council today, capped by a presidential statement expressing that body’s deep concern over the terrorist threat and its determination to combat it by all means in all its forms and manifestations, in line with the United Nations Charter and international law.

In an ethical and legal context, violence is one thing whereas terrorism is something different. The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims is the foundation of 21st Century Terrorism.


Endorsing the entire PA curriculum, PA PM Shtayyeh thus justifies the portrayal of murderer Mughrabi as a role model for youth, and especially as an example of women’s empowerment. PM Shtayyeh also sanctions that Palestinian children are indirectly taught that it is legitimate to use violence and terror against civilians - the ultimate essence of Mughrabi’s “fame,” and that for which she is known among Palestinians.

By his statement, Shtayyeh also approves of the denial of Israel's right to exist in any borders, as is taught to Palestinian children through maps that show all of the State of Israel as included in “the State of Palestine.” According to the EU report:

(COMMENT)
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Global or International Terrorism (GIT), as defined in the 1938 League of Nations (LoN)
Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of Terrorism, has become entangled and complicated in the legal quibbling of the 21st Century, to the point that the law no longer clarifies the understanding but actually hinders understanding. What used to take only 12 pages and 29 Articles to the convention (including the translation into French), now takes over 19 international instruments that chops up Terrorism into many different forms. But in those many documents, none was able to more clearly define terrorism any better than the 1938 version.



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.Incitement to violence and the glorification of terrorism is nothing new in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA).
Terrorism is the violent consequence of a world divided into nearly two hundred nation-states. It is the inevitable outcome of
the compulsive territorialization of human communities. As a consequence of slicing the globe into ≈ 195 nation-states (197 if you count the observer states), terrorism becomes the preferred tool to resolve disputes in the MENA nations with problematic ethical issues and a callous disregard for human life. It is almost the case that many MENA nations have sociopathic characteristics embedded in their foreign policymakers.

(SIDEBAR)
Significant Events that Reduce Palestinian Rocket Attacks.png

Different countermeasures have different impacts and consequences. And the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) take full advantage of any negative outcomes on the Israelis. The chart shows that when Israel withdraws its forces, rocket attacks increase. But when Operation Protective Edge had a significant impact on the HoAP, the Palestinians immediately ran for cover under the skirts of the Criminal Court, filing War Crimes charges. Currently, the International Criminal Court (ICC) is investigating alleged War Crimes committed in the occupied Palestinian territory the Israelis, since 13 June 2014. The ICC lumped in any event that might remotely connect to the central War Crimes allegations. It remains to be seen if the HoAP is found responsible for any legal missteps.



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Most Respectfully,

R
 
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The German government has actually shown some backbone and is perhaps deciding to address the more excitable of the Hamas groupies.





Move to ban Hamas flag is in response to reports of violence and anti-Semitism at demonstrations in Germany, official says.

The move comes after several pro-Palestinian rallies in Germany during the escalation of the Israel-Palestine conflict in May [File: Eduardo Munoz/Reuters]

The move comes after several pro-Palestinian rallies in Germany during the escalation of the Israel-Palestine conflict in May [File: Eduardo Munoz/Reuters]
25 Jun 2021

Germany’s Bundestag lower house of parliament has passed a law outlawing symbols of groups designated as terrorist organisations by the European Union, including the Palestinian movement, Hamas.
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Identification
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

BLUF::
“Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,” Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon declared at the opening of a high-level meeting of the Security Council today, capped by a presidential statement expressing that body’s deep concern over the terrorist threat and its determination to combat it by all means in all its forms and manifestations, in line with the United Nations Charter and international law.

In an ethical and legal context, violence is one thing whereas terrorism is something different. The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims is the foundation of 21st Century Terrorism.


Endorsing the entire PA curriculum, PA PM Shtayyeh thus justifies the portrayal of murderer Mughrabi as a role model for youth, and especially as an example of women’s empowerment. PM Shtayyeh also sanctions that Palestinian children are indirectly taught that it is legitimate to use violence and terror against civilians - the ultimate essence of Mughrabi’s “fame,” and that for which she is known among Palestinians.

By his statement, Shtayyeh also approves of the denial of Israel's right to exist in any borders, as is taught to Palestinian children through maps that show all of the State of Israel as included in “the State of Palestine.” According to the EU report:

(COMMENT)
.
Global or International Terrorism (GIT), as defined in the 1938 League of Nations (LoN)
Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of Terrorism, has become entangled and complicated in the legal quibbling of the 21st Century, to the point that the law no longer clarifies the understanding but actually hinders understanding. What used to take only 12 pages and 29 Articles to the convention (including the translation into French), now takes over 19 international instruments that chops up Terrorism into many different forms. But in those many documents, none was able to more clearly define terrorism any better than the 1938 version.

.Incitement to violence and the glorification of terrorism is nothing new in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA).
Terrorism is the violent consequence of a world divided into nearly two hundred nation-states. It is the inevitable outcome of
the compulsive territorialization of human communities. As a consequence of slicing the globe into ≈ 195 nation-states (197 if you count the observer states), terrorism becomes the preferred tool to resolve disputes in the MENA nations with problematic ethical issues and a callous disregard for human life. It is almost the case that many MENA nations have sociopathic characteristics embedded in their foreign policymakers.

(SIDEBAR)
Different countermeasures have different impacts and consequences. And the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) take full advantage of any negative outcomes on the Israelis. The chart shows that when Israel withdraws its forces, rocket attacks increase. But when Operation Protective Edge had a significant impact on the HoAP, the Palestinians immediately ran for cover under the skirts of the Criminal Court, filing War Crimes charges. Currently, the International Criminal Court (ICC) is investigating alleged War Crimes committed in the occupied Palestinian territory the Israelis, since 13 June 2014. The ICC lumped in any event that might remotely connect to the central War Crimes allegations. It remains to be seen if the HoAP is found responsible for any legal missteps.



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Most Respectfully,

R
Hamas has been around for over 30 years. Nobody has taken them to the ICC. :dunno:
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Identification
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

BLUF::
“Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,” Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon declared at the opening of a high-level meeting of the Security Council today, capped by a presidential statement expressing that body’s deep concern over the terrorist threat and its determination to combat it by all means in all its forms and manifestations, in line with the United Nations Charter and international law.

In an ethical and legal context, violence is one thing whereas terrorism is something different. The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims is the foundation of 21st Century Terrorism.


Endorsing the entire PA curriculum, PA PM Shtayyeh thus justifies the portrayal of murderer Mughrabi as a role model for youth, and especially as an example of women’s empowerment. PM Shtayyeh also sanctions that Palestinian children are indirectly taught that it is legitimate to use violence and terror against civilians - the ultimate essence of Mughrabi’s “fame,” and that for which she is known among Palestinians.

By his statement, Shtayyeh also approves of the denial of Israel's right to exist in any borders, as is taught to Palestinian children through maps that show all of the State of Israel as included in “the State of Palestine.” According to the EU report:

(COMMENT)
.
Global or International Terrorism (GIT), as defined in the 1938 League of Nations (LoN)
Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of Terrorism, has become entangled and complicated in the legal quibbling of the 21st Century, to the point that the law no longer clarifies the understanding but actually hinders understanding. What used to take only 12 pages and 29 Articles to the convention (including the translation into French), now takes over 19 international instruments that chops up Terrorism into many different forms. But in those many documents, none was able to more clearly define terrorism any better than the 1938 version.

.Incitement to violence and the glorification of terrorism is nothing new in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA).
Terrorism is the violent consequence of a world divided into nearly two hundred nation-states. It is the inevitable outcome of
the compulsive territorialization of human communities. As a consequence of slicing the globe into ≈ 195 nation-states (197 if you count the observer states), terrorism becomes the preferred tool to resolve disputes in the MENA nations with problematic ethical issues and a callous disregard for human life. It is almost the case that many MENA nations have sociopathic characteristics embedded in their foreign policymakers.

(SIDEBAR)
Different countermeasures have different impacts and consequences. And the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) take full advantage of any negative outcomes on the Israelis. The chart shows that when Israel withdraws its forces, rocket attacks increase. But when Operation Protective Edge had a significant impact on the HoAP, the Palestinians immediately ran for cover under the skirts of the Criminal Court, filing War Crimes charges. Currently, the International Criminal Court (ICC) is investigating alleged War Crimes committed in the occupied Palestinian territory the Israelis, since 13 June 2014. The ICC lumped in any event that might remotely connect to the central War Crimes allegations. It remains to be seen if the HoAP is found responsible for any legal missteps.



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Most Respectfully,

R
Hamas has been around for over 30 years. Nobody has taken them to the ICC. :dunno:
That's quite an achievement.
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Identification
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

BLUF::
“Nothing can justify terrorism — ever,” Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon declared at the opening of a high-level meeting of the Security Council today, capped by a presidential statement expressing that body’s deep concern over the terrorist threat and its determination to combat it by all means in all its forms and manifestations, in line with the United Nations Charter and international law.

In an ethical and legal context, violence is one thing whereas terrorism is something different. The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims is the foundation of 21st Century Terrorism.


Endorsing the entire PA curriculum, PA PM Shtayyeh thus justifies the portrayal of murderer Mughrabi as a role model for youth, and especially as an example of women’s empowerment. PM Shtayyeh also sanctions that Palestinian children are indirectly taught that it is legitimate to use violence and terror against civilians - the ultimate essence of Mughrabi’s “fame,” and that for which she is known among Palestinians.

By his statement, Shtayyeh also approves of the denial of Israel's right to exist in any borders, as is taught to Palestinian children through maps that show all of the State of Israel as included in “the State of Palestine.” According to the EU report:

(COMMENT)
.
Global or International Terrorism (GIT), as defined in the 1938 League of Nations (LoN)
Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of Terrorism, has become entangled and complicated in the legal quibbling of the 21st Century, to the point that the law no longer clarifies the understanding but actually hinders understanding. What used to take only 12 pages and 29 Articles to the convention (including the translation into French), now takes over 19 international instruments that chops up Terrorism into many different forms. But in those many documents, none was able to more clearly define terrorism any better than the 1938 version.

.Incitement to violence and the glorification of terrorism is nothing new in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA).
Terrorism is the violent consequence of a world divided into nearly two hundred nation-states. It is the inevitable outcome of
the compulsive territorialization of human communities. As a consequence of slicing the globe into ≈ 195 nation-states (197 if you count the observer states), terrorism becomes the preferred tool to resolve disputes in the MENA nations with problematic ethical issues and a callous disregard for human life. It is almost the case that many MENA nations have sociopathic characteristics embedded in their foreign policymakers.

(SIDEBAR)
Different countermeasures have different impacts and consequences. And the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) take full advantage of any negative outcomes on the Israelis. The chart shows that when Israel withdraws its forces, rocket attacks increase. But when Operation Protective Edge had a significant impact on the HoAP, the Palestinians immediately ran for cover under the skirts of the Criminal Court, filing War Crimes charges. Currently, the International Criminal Court (ICC) is investigating alleged War Crimes committed in the occupied Palestinian territory the Israelis, since 13 June 2014. The ICC lumped in any event that might remotely connect to the central War Crimes allegations. It remains to be seen if the HoAP is found responsible for any legal missteps.



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Most Respectfully,

R
Hamas has been around for over 30 years. Nobody has taken them to the ICC. :dunno:
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Identification
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al

BLUF: The Rome Statutes only went into effect in mid-2002.

Hamas has been around for over 30 years. Nobody has taken them to the ICC.
:dunno:
(COMMENT)

Israel has never been a signatory to the Rome Statutes.
For the purposes of the Rome Statutes and Palestine, it only went into force in April 2015.

What I find interesting is that the Prosecutor is assisting a Terrorist Organization. And the Prosector has acted prejudicially towards Israel and demonstrated entanglement with a terrorist organization and declared the Hamas Arab Palestinians supporting terrorism the victims in a claim dating back even before the Palestinians were a party to the statutes.

The ICCs actions thus far can be characterized as official misconduct; a violation of international trust in that it is working in the best interest of terrorism under the color of law. The ICC should be investigating the former Prosecutor for advancing over crimes committed "in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem, since June 13, 2014." A dispute that flared up after several thousand rockets had been fired. Israel, acting in the best interest of its citizenry, undertook operations to suppress the hostile fire and neutralize the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) launching indiscriminate indirect fire into Israel from densely populated areas in Gaza. The HoAP made no attempt to evacuate the Palestinian Citizens from areas of military concern to the Israelis.

The ICC, now at the end of the fourth year of legal wrangling, and the seventh year sing the Terrorist supporting government has captured the attention of the Court, has yet to instill any trust and confidence to the international community it purports to serve.

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Most Respectfully,

R
 
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