Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You don't put the history of the occupation in context.

Art. 43.​

​

Article 43:

◈ The Legitimate Power, having passed the territories by default, on 31 July 1988. In 1994 final settlement was made between the two sovereign powers, Israel and Jordan.​

Art. 46.​

​

The Israelis have full Israeli civil and security control over Area "C."​

​

◈ The Arab Palestinians have not been deprived of family honor.​

​

◈ The concern about Private property confiscation.​

​

✦ Denying safe haven to those engaged in terrorist acts, like other aspects of counter-terrorism can be seen as a human rights obligation of States. Under human rights law, States have an obligation to safeguard the right to life, Israeli as well as Arab Palestinian.​

​

✦ Israel adopted such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to: Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct.​

Art. 47.

◈ Pillage as a crime is formally forbidden National criteria, IDF Regulation and the ethical practices of the Israelis involved.​

​

◈ Article 47 deals with the "inviolability of rights."​

​

◈ Article 8* War Crimes - (2)(xvi) Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) - Pillaging a town or place, even when taken by assault; a subject I have no knowledge of in operations to suppress rioters, non-civil disobedience, Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.​

Art. 50.

◈ Article 50 deals with the cooperation of the national and local authorities, facilitate the proper working of all institutions. Not legal protection in a prosecution. However, in a prosecution;​

​

◈ Except as provided in this Statute, no person shall be tried before the Court concerning conduct which formed the basis of crimes for which the person has been convicted or acquitted by the Court. The ICC prosecutes were individual criminal responsibility has been attached.​

Art. 55.

◈ Again, I bring your attention to the fact that Israelis have full Israeli civil and security control over Area "C" as agreed to by the Arab Palestinians.​

Art. 26, 28, 56.

◈ The hodgepodge of accusatory implications, duplicate challenges, and claims are simply too incredibly vague for me to apply to any specific event or policy.​

(COMMENT)

The policies that generally govern Arab Palestinian consequences promotes actions that maximize the security and protection deemed necessary to secure Israeli interests, territorial integrity, and independence.

While Israel has a vested interest in the happiness and well-being of the affected Arab Palestinians, the general rule of thumb is that how the Israelis deal with the Arab Palestinians has been an evolved process. The reactions and interactions are a consequence of Hostile Arab Palestinian violence.

Anyone of these topics is more complicated then they appear. There is no way they should be made challenges without context to an event and the claims addressed individually.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are still implying that the Palestinians are the aggressors.

How many times would Israel have attacked the Palestinians had they not attacked Israel?

Once.

Starting in 1948 and continuing to today.

You didn’t answer the question . The answer is zero. Israel has NO reason to attack the Palestinians unless they attack Israel

Preposterous, how was Israel to create a Jewish state in Palestine when Palestine was only 1/3 Jewish?

The whole point of recognizing the right of a peoples to self determination is that it doesn't require the consensus of other peoples. Do you want to argue that it does?

Foreign settlers have the right to self determination?

Link?

Of course not.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You don't put the history of the occupation in context.

Art. 43.​

​

Article 43:

◈ The Legitimate Power, having passed the territories by default, on 31 July 1988. In 1994 final settlement was made between the two sovereign powers, Israel and Jordan.​

Art. 46.​

​

The Israelis have full Israeli civil and security control over Area "C."​

​

◈ The Arab Palestinians have not been deprived of family honor.​

​

◈ The concern about Private property confiscation.​

​

✦ Denying safe haven to those engaged in terrorist acts, like other aspects of counter-terrorism can be seen as a human rights obligation of States. Under human rights law, States have an obligation to safeguard the right to life, Israeli as well as Arab Palestinian.​

​

✦ Israel adopted such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to: Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct.​

Art. 47.

◈ Pillage as a crime is formally forbidden National criteria, IDF Regulation and the ethical practices of the Israelis involved.​

​

◈ Article 47 deals with the "inviolability of rights."​

​

◈ Article 8* War Crimes - (2)(xvi) Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) - Pillaging a town or place, even when taken by assault; a subject I have no knowledge of in operations to suppress rioters, non-civil disobedience, Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.​

Art. 50.

◈ Article 50 deals with the cooperation of the national and local authorities, facilitate the proper working of all institutions. Not legal protection in a prosecution. However, in a prosecution;​

​

◈ Except as provided in this Statute, no person shall be tried before the Court concerning conduct which formed the basis of crimes for which the person has been convicted or acquitted by the Court. The ICC prosecutes were individual criminal responsibility has been attached.​

Art. 55.

◈ Again, I bring your attention to the fact that Israelis have full Israeli civil and security control over Area "C" as agreed to by the Arab Palestinians.​

Art. 26, 28, 56.

◈ The hodgepodge of accusatory implications, duplicate challenges, and claims are simply too incredibly vague for me to apply to any specific event or policy.​

(COMMENT)

The policies that generally govern Arab Palestinian consequences promotes actions that maximize the security and protection deemed necessary to secure Israeli interests, territorial integrity, and independence.

While Israel has a vested interest in the happiness and well-being of the affected Arab Palestinians, the general rule of thumb is that how the Israelis deal with the Arab Palestinians has been an evolved process. The reactions and interactions are a consequence of Hostile Arab Palestinian violence.

Anyone of these topics is more complicated then they appear. There is no way they should be made challenges without context to an event and the claims addressed individually.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are still implying that the Palestinians are the aggressors.

How many times would Israel have attacked the Palestinians had they not attacked Israel?

Once.

Starting in 1948 and continuing to today.

You didn’t answer the question . The answer is zero. Israel has NO reason to attack the Palestinians unless they attack Israel

Preposterous, how was Israel to create a Jewish state in Palestine when Palestine was only 1/3 Jewish?

The whole point of recognizing the right of a peoples to self determination is that it doesn't require the consensus of other peoples. Do you want to argue that it does?

Foreign settlers have the right to self determination?

Link?

Of course not.

Thanks. You confirmed the status of the Arab-Moslem invaders.

Link?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I've seen you ask this question before. You have a myopic view of what was happening, why it was happening, and where it was happening. The Jewish National Home was envisioned as a place of refuge and development well beyond the Balfour Declaration. In fact, I'm quite sure that the critical need for such a special place would not become clear for another three decades. A vast majority of the Arab Palestinians would capture and digest that future vision, even up through today, a century later.

Certainly, had the Jewish National Home existed during the period 1933 through 1945, it might have helped mitigate the devastating effects of the holocaust and provided a welcoming sanctuary that would have alleviated the disasters like the SS St Loius.

Preposterous, how was Israel to create a Jewish state in Palestine when Palestine was only 1/3 Jewish?

(COMMENT)

At the time, (1948) the Arab Palestinians view of the plight of the Jewish People was not so dissimilar from the discrimination harbored by the 1933 era Master Race. In fact, people like the Grand Mufti Mohammed Amin al-Husseini (A former Commissioned Officer in the Ottoman Army and NAZI ally), Ahmed Hilmi Pasha (a former General in the Ottoman Army), Hasan Salama (a NAZI covert operative and member of a NAZI Special Commando Unit), and Fawzi al-Qawuqji (a graduate of the Ottoman Military Academy and former Colonel of the Wehrmacht), all of whom were still in political play and had strong connections with either the NAZIs, the Arab Liberation Army (ALA), and the Holy War Army (HWA). And none of which had any interest in a favorable solution in developing sound Arab-Jewish Relations.

The vision was that gradually, a significant portion of the world-wide Jewish constituency would migrate to Israel (the Jewish National Home), increasing the three-fold.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You don't put the history of the occupation in context.

Art. 43.​

​

Article 43:

◈ The Legitimate Power, having passed the territories by default, on 31 July 1988. In 1994 final settlement was made between the two sovereign powers, Israel and Jordan.​

Art. 46.​

​

The Israelis have full Israeli civil and security control over Area "C."​

​

◈ The Arab Palestinians have not been deprived of family honor.​

​

◈ The concern about Private property confiscation.​

​

✦ Denying safe haven to those engaged in terrorist acts, like other aspects of counter-terrorism can be seen as a human rights obligation of States. Under human rights law, States have an obligation to safeguard the right to life, Israeli as well as Arab Palestinian.​

​

✦ Israel adopted such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to: Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct.​

Art. 47.

◈ Pillage as a crime is formally forbidden National criteria, IDF Regulation and the ethical practices of the Israelis involved.​

​

◈ Article 47 deals with the "inviolability of rights."​

​

◈ Article 8* War Crimes - (2)(xvi) Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) - Pillaging a town or place, even when taken by assault; a subject I have no knowledge of in operations to suppress rioters, non-civil disobedience, Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.​

Art. 50.

◈ Article 50 deals with the cooperation of the national and local authorities, facilitate the proper working of all institutions. Not legal protection in a prosecution. However, in a prosecution;​

​

◈ Except as provided in this Statute, no person shall be tried before the Court concerning conduct which formed the basis of crimes for which the person has been convicted or acquitted by the Court. The ICC prosecutes were individual criminal responsibility has been attached.​

Art. 55.

◈ Again, I bring your attention to the fact that Israelis have full Israeli civil and security control over Area "C" as agreed to by the Arab Palestinians.​

Art. 26, 28, 56.

◈ The hodgepodge of accusatory implications, duplicate challenges, and claims are simply too incredibly vague for me to apply to any specific event or policy.​

(COMMENT)

The policies that generally govern Arab Palestinian consequences promotes actions that maximize the security and protection deemed necessary to secure Israeli interests, territorial integrity, and independence.

While Israel has a vested interest in the happiness and well-being of the affected Arab Palestinians, the general rule of thumb is that how the Israelis deal with the Arab Palestinians has been an evolved process. The reactions and interactions are a consequence of Hostile Arab Palestinian violence.

Anyone of these topics is more complicated then they appear. There is no way they should be made challenges without context to an event and the claims addressed individually.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are still implying that the Palestinians are the aggressors.

How many times would Israel have attacked the Palestinians had they not attacked Israel?

Once.

Starting in 1948 and continuing to today.

You didn’t answer the question . The answer is zero. Israel has NO reason to attack the Palestinians unless they attack Israel

Preposterous, how was Israel to create a Jewish state in Palestine when Palestine was only 1/3 Jewish?

The whole point of recognizing the right of a peoples to self determination is that it doesn't require the consensus of other peoples. Do you want to argue that it does?

Foreign settlers have the right to self determination?

Link?

Of course not.

Link that Israelis are foreign settlers?
Of course not

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I've seen you ask this question before. You have a myopic view of what was happening, why it was happening, and where it was happening. The Jewish National Home was envisioned as a place of refuge and development well beyond the Balfour Declaration. In fact, I'm quite sure that the critical need for such a special place would not become clear for another three decades. A vast majority of the Arab Palestinians would capture and digest that future vision, even up through today, a century later.

Certainly, had the Jewish National Home existed during the period 1933 through 1945, it might have helped mitigate the devastating effects of the holocaust and provided a welcoming sanctuary that would have alleviated the disasters like the SS St Loius.

Preposterous, how was Israel to create a Jewish state in Palestine when Palestine was only 1/3 Jewish?

(COMMENT)

At the time, (1948) the Arab Palestinians view of the plight of the Jewish People was not so dissimilar from the discrimination harbored by the 1933 era Master Race. In fact, people like the Grand Mufti Mohammed Amin al-Husseini (A former Commissioned Officer in the Ottoman Army and NAZI ally), Ahmed Hilmi Pasha (a former General in the Ottoman Army), Hasan Salama (a NAZI covert operative and member of a NAZI Special Commando Unit), and Fawzi al-Qawuqji (a graduate of the Ottoman Military Academy and former Colonel of the Wehrmacht), all of whom were still in political play and had strong connections with either the NAZIs, the Arab Liberation Army (ALA), and the Holy War Army (HWA). And none of which had any interest in a favorable solution in developing sound Arab-Jewish Relations.

The vision was that gradually, a significant portion of the world-wide Jewish constituency would migrate to Israel (the Jewish National Home), increasing the three-fold.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Jewish National Home was envisioned as a place of refuge and development well beyond the Balfour Declaration.

External interference.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ toastman, et al,

BLUF: Substantially, anything before 1948, is irrelevant. No matter who "was" right or wrong 70 years ago is of no importance. It will not set the conditions as such that it will create change.

◈ The Israelis will NOT alter, in any significant way, their national identity, based on pressure from non-domestic influences.​

◈ The Israelis will NOT compromise their national independence or take such actions that will put at risk that national independence.​

◈ The Israelis will NOT compromise their sovereign and territorial integrity.​

Link that Israelis are foreign settlers?
Of course not

(COMMENT)

A probable forecast into the future of Israel might be seen as:

◈ Israel will, incrementally, embrace more and more people with a common history and culture.​

◈ Israeli advances seek such relations that will improve its economic system and its operation in Israel.​

◈ Israel will development relations among the Regional Powers (and beyond) that will improve the transfer of production from producer to the consumer world-wide.​

What you might begin to notice is that Israel will gradually develop apathy towards Arab Palestinian criticism (to a point where it will be ignoring it altogether) and focus on the productive concerns that improve all aspects of tomorrow's Israel.

Most Arab Palestinians are stuck in past. Most Israeli's are thinking five, six and seven moves ahead - into the future.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ toastman, et al,

BLUF: Substantially, anything before 1948, is irrelevant. No matter who "was" right or wrong 70 years ago is of no importance. It will not set the conditions as such that it will create change.

◈ The Israelis will NOT alter, in any significant way, their national identity, based on pressure from non-domestic influences.​

◈ The Israelis will NOT compromise their national independence or take such actions that will put at risk that national independence.​

◈ The Israelis will NOT compromise their sovereign and territorial integrity.​

Link that Israelis are foreign settlers?
Of course not

(COMMENT)

A probable forecast into the future of Israel might be seen as:

◈ Israel will, incrementally, embrace more and more people with a common history and culture.​

◈ Israeli advances seek such relations that will improve its economic system and its operation in Israel.​

◈ Israel will development relations among the Regional Powers (and beyond) that will improve the transfer of production from producer to the consumer world-wide.​

What you might begin to notice is that Israel will gradually develop apathy towards Arab Palestinian criticism (to a point where it will be ignoring it altogether) and focus on the productive concerns that improve all aspects of tomorrow's Israel.

Most Arab Palestinians are stuck in past. Most Israeli's are thinking five, six and seven moves ahead - into the future.

Most Respectfully,
R

Very well said Rocco!

 

[Sixties Fan]

Here is a rare case where Israel's enemies from the Left would not adopt Hamas' statistics over Israel's, because they want Palestinians to appear nonviolent. This argument loses its power when Hamas itself is bragging about attacks and wants to make itself look better politically - and attacks on Jews fill the bill.

(full article online)

Hamas counts many more terror attacks in March than the Shin Bet does

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ toastman, et al,

BLUF: Substantially, anything before 1948, is irrelevant. No matter who "was" right or wrong 70 years ago is of no importance. It will not set the conditions as such that it will create change.

◈ The Israelis will NOT alter, in any significant way, their national identity, based on pressure from non-domestic influences.​

◈ The Israelis will NOT compromise their national independence or take such actions that will put at risk that national independence.​

◈ The Israelis will NOT compromise their sovereign and territorial integrity.​

Link that Israelis are foreign settlers?
Of course not

(COMMENT)

A probable forecast into the future of Israel might be seen as:

◈ Israel will, incrementally, embrace more and more people with a common history and culture.​

◈ Israeli advances seek such relations that will improve its economic system and its operation in Israel.​

◈ Israel will development relations among the Regional Powers (and beyond) that will improve the transfer of production from producer to the consumer world-wide.​

What you might begin to notice is that Israel will gradually develop apathy towards Arab Palestinian criticism (to a point where it will be ignoring it altogether) and focus on the productive concerns that improve all aspects of tomorrow's Israel.

Most Arab Palestinians are stuck in past. Most Israeli's are thinking five, six and seven moves ahead - into the future.

Most Respectfully,
R

Standing applause, Rocco. I think the above nicely encapsulates the situation today. I think our friend P F Tinmore has this vision of himself and others living in a 19th century, agrarian society wearing a robe and sandals as though time suddenly stopped in that late century.

The Arabs-Moslems seem to be forever chained to a distant past when Islamic armies spilled out of the peninsula and carved a path of destruction and conquest across the Middle East and North Africa.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You don't put the history of the occupation in context.

Art. 43.​

​

Article 43:

◈ The Legitimate Power, having passed the territories by default, on 31 July 1988. In 1994 final settlement was made between the two sovereign powers, Israel and Jordan.​

Art. 46.​

​

The Israelis have full Israeli civil and security control over Area "C."​

​

◈ The Arab Palestinians have not been deprived of family honor.​

​

◈ The concern about Private property confiscation.​

​

✦ Denying safe haven to those engaged in terrorist acts, like other aspects of counter-terrorism can be seen as a human rights obligation of States. Under human rights law, States have an obligation to safeguard the right to life, Israeli as well as Arab Palestinian.​

​

✦ Israel adopted such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to: Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct.​

Art. 47.

◈ Pillage as a crime is formally forbidden National criteria, IDF Regulation and the ethical practices of the Israelis involved.​

​

◈ Article 47 deals with the "inviolability of rights."​

​

◈ Article 8* War Crimes - (2)(xvi) Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) - Pillaging a town or place, even when taken by assault; a subject I have no knowledge of in operations to suppress rioters, non-civil disobedience, Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.​

Art. 50.

◈ Article 50 deals with the cooperation of the national and local authorities, facilitate the proper working of all institutions. Not legal protection in a prosecution. However, in a prosecution;​

​

◈ Except as provided in this Statute, no person shall be tried before the Court concerning conduct which formed the basis of crimes for which the person has been convicted or acquitted by the Court. The ICC prosecutes were individual criminal responsibility has been attached.​

Art. 55.

◈ Again, I bring your attention to the fact that Israelis have full Israeli civil and security control over Area "C" as agreed to by the Arab Palestinians.​

Art. 26, 28, 56.

◈ The hodgepodge of accusatory implications, duplicate challenges, and claims are simply too incredibly vague for me to apply to any specific event or policy.​

(COMMENT)

The policies that generally govern Arab Palestinian consequences promotes actions that maximize the security and protection deemed necessary to secure Israeli interests, territorial integrity, and independence.

While Israel has a vested interest in the happiness and well-being of the affected Arab Palestinians, the general rule of thumb is that how the Israelis deal with the Arab Palestinians has been an evolved process. The reactions and interactions are a consequence of Hostile Arab Palestinian violence.

Anyone of these topics is more complicated then they appear. There is no way they should be made challenges without context to an event and the claims addressed individually.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are still implying that the Palestinians are the aggressors.

How many times would Israel have attacked the Palestinians had they not attacked Israel?

Once.

Starting in 1948 and continuing to today.

You didn’t answer the question . The answer is zero. Israel has NO reason to attack the Palestinians unless they attack Israel

Preposterous, how was Israel to create a Jewish state in Palestine when Palestine was only 1/3 Jewish?

The whole point of recognizing the right of a peoples to self determination is that it doesn't require the consensus of other peoples. Do you want to argue that it does?

Foreign settlers have the right to self determination?

Link?

Of course not.

Link that Israelis are foreign settlers?
Of course not

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You don't put the history of the occupation in context.

Art. 43.​

​

Article 43:

◈ The Legitimate Power, having passed the territories by default, on 31 July 1988. In 1994 final settlement was made between the two sovereign powers, Israel and Jordan.​

Art. 46.​

​

The Israelis have full Israeli civil and security control over Area "C."​

​

◈ The Arab Palestinians have not been deprived of family honor.​

​

◈ The concern about Private property confiscation.​

​

✦ Denying safe haven to those engaged in terrorist acts, like other aspects of counter-terrorism can be seen as a human rights obligation of States. Under human rights law, States have an obligation to safeguard the right to life, Israeli as well as Arab Palestinian.​

​

✦ Israel adopted such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to: Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct.​

Art. 47.

◈ Pillage as a crime is formally forbidden National criteria, IDF Regulation and the ethical practices of the Israelis involved.​

​

◈ Article 47 deals with the "inviolability of rights."​

​

◈ Article 8* War Crimes - (2)(xvi) Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) - Pillaging a town or place, even when taken by assault; a subject I have no knowledge of in operations to suppress rioters, non-civil disobedience, Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.​

Art. 50.

◈ Article 50 deals with the cooperation of the national and local authorities, facilitate the proper working of all institutions. Not legal protection in a prosecution. However, in a prosecution;​

​

◈ Except as provided in this Statute, no person shall be tried before the Court concerning conduct which formed the basis of crimes for which the person has been convicted or acquitted by the Court. The ICC prosecutes were individual criminal responsibility has been attached.​

Art. 55.

◈ Again, I bring your attention to the fact that Israelis have full Israeli civil and security control over Area "C" as agreed to by the Arab Palestinians.​

Art. 26, 28, 56.

◈ The hodgepodge of accusatory implications, duplicate challenges, and claims are simply too incredibly vague for me to apply to any specific event or policy.​

(COMMENT)

The policies that generally govern Arab Palestinian consequences promotes actions that maximize the security and protection deemed necessary to secure Israeli interests, territorial integrity, and independence.

While Israel has a vested interest in the happiness and well-being of the affected Arab Palestinians, the general rule of thumb is that how the Israelis deal with the Arab Palestinians has been an evolved process. The reactions and interactions are a consequence of Hostile Arab Palestinian violence.

Anyone of these topics is more complicated then they appear. There is no way they should be made challenges without context to an event and the claims addressed individually.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are still implying that the Palestinians are the aggressors.

How many times would Israel have attacked the Palestinians had they not attacked Israel?

Once.

Starting in 1948 and continuing to today.

You didn’t answer the question . The answer is zero. Israel has NO reason to attack the Palestinians unless they attack Israel

Preposterous, how was Israel to create a Jewish state in Palestine when Palestine was only 1/3 Jewish?

The whole point of recognizing the right of a peoples to self determination is that it doesn't require the consensus of other peoples. Do you want to argue that it does?

Foreign settlers have the right to self determination?

Link?

Of course not.

Link that Israelis are foreign settlers?
Of course not

You had to dig deep into your YouTube collection for that crusty archive.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

How does anyone or any nation even begin to negotiate peace with a people who prefer death over life?

Well, it seems that Zionists threaten with the death of our entire planet, if their regime is in danger:

Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch(2003) as saying:

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan:

'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.'

I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third.

We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[30]


Samson Option - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

How can you negotiate with people who have chosen to behave like "mad dogs"?
How can you negotiate with people who threaten to destroy the entire planet?

Our own MAD policy is the same. Mutual Assured Destruction is a valid defense posture.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You don't put the history of the occupation in context.

Art. 43.​

​

Article 43:

◈ The Legitimate Power, having passed the territories by default, on 31 July 1988. In 1994 final settlement was made between the two sovereign powers, Israel and Jordan.​

Art. 46.​

​

The Israelis have full Israeli civil and security control over Area "C."​

​

◈ The Arab Palestinians have not been deprived of family honor.​

​

◈ The concern about Private property confiscation.​

​

✦ Denying safe haven to those engaged in terrorist acts, like other aspects of counter-terrorism can be seen as a human rights obligation of States. Under human rights law, States have an obligation to safeguard the right to life, Israeli as well as Arab Palestinian.​

​

✦ Israel adopted such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to: Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct.​

Art. 47.

◈ Pillage as a crime is formally forbidden National criteria, IDF Regulation and the ethical practices of the Israelis involved.​

​

◈ Article 47 deals with the "inviolability of rights."​

​

◈ Article 8* War Crimes - (2)(xvi) Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) - Pillaging a town or place, even when taken by assault; a subject I have no knowledge of in operations to suppress rioters, non-civil disobedience, Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.​

Art. 50.

◈ Article 50 deals with the cooperation of the national and local authorities, facilitate the proper working of all institutions. Not legal protection in a prosecution. However, in a prosecution;​

​

◈ Except as provided in this Statute, no person shall be tried before the Court concerning conduct which formed the basis of crimes for which the person has been convicted or acquitted by the Court. The ICC prosecutes were individual criminal responsibility has been attached.​

Art. 55.

◈ Again, I bring your attention to the fact that Israelis have full Israeli civil and security control over Area "C" as agreed to by the Arab Palestinians.​

Art. 26, 28, 56.

◈ The hodgepodge of accusatory implications, duplicate challenges, and claims are simply too incredibly vague for me to apply to any specific event or policy.​

(COMMENT)

The policies that generally govern Arab Palestinian consequences promotes actions that maximize the security and protection deemed necessary to secure Israeli interests, territorial integrity, and independence.

While Israel has a vested interest in the happiness and well-being of the affected Arab Palestinians, the general rule of thumb is that how the Israelis deal with the Arab Palestinians has been an evolved process. The reactions and interactions are a consequence of Hostile Arab Palestinian violence.

Anyone of these topics is more complicated then they appear. There is no way they should be made challenges without context to an event and the claims addressed individually.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are still implying that the Palestinians are the aggressors.

How many times would Israel have attacked the Palestinians had they not attacked Israel?

Once.

Starting in 1948 and continuing to today.

You didn’t answer the question . The answer is zero. Israel has NO reason to attack the Palestinians unless they attack Israel

Preposterous, how was Israel to create a Jewish state in Palestine when Palestine was only 1/3 Jewish?

The whole point of recognizing the right of a peoples to self determination is that it doesn't require the consensus of other peoples. Do you want to argue that it does?

Foreign settlers have the right to self determination?

Link?

Of course not.

Foreign settlers have the right to self determination?

Good point....Arabs go home!

 

[Shusha]

Foreign settlers have the right to self determination?

Link?

Of course not.

Don't be silly. The Jewish people have been there for thousands of years.

 

[Hollie]

More of the behavior that typifies the Cult Of Arabs-Moslems and their willingness to exploit children in furtherance of their insensate Jew hatreds.

Hamas Uses Children as Human Shields, and Israel Gets Blamed - Algemeiner.com

On February 19, 2019, Fathi Hammad, a member of the Hamas Political Bureau, made a public statement saying that “we will teach our kids in the kindergartens, the elementary schools, and the middle schools how to move forward and liberate their land, with the help of Allah alone.” This...

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Hamas supporters take part in a rally celebrating the 30th anniversary of the group’s founding, in Gaza City on Dec. 14, 2017. Photo: Reuters / Mohammed Salem.

On February 19, 2019, Fathi Hammad, a member of the Hamas Political Bureau, made a public statement saying that “we will teach our kids in the kindergartens, the elementary schools, and the middle schools how to move forward and liberate their land, with the help of Allah alone.”
This declaration was followed by a claim that “once you [children] complete the advanced course of the ‘March of Return,’ you should join the Al-Quds and Al-Qassam Brigades, the mujahideen and the freemen, wherever they may be.”

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is how the man earns extra income → "speaking engagements."

(COMMENT)

See: Posting: #16190

In the first 5-minutes of his presentation, he speaks of association others made about Zionism and "Settler Colonialism" made 1960s and 1970s. And he noted that the model that most inspired the Arab-Palestinian activities was the National Liberation Front (FLN). And the clear target of any anti-colonialist movement (in the 60s and 70s) was "to send the settlers back home." And this became the objective and the target of the anti-Zionist movement → to send the Israelis back home. And he further noted that in recent times (implying the first years of the 21st Century) it became much more attractive to write on "settler colonialism" which has become the current paradigm. And then he defines the difference between "colonialism" and "settler colonialism." The big difference is that the "settler colonialists" were not sent by empires.

But, as I said before, it is an infinitesimal probability that even the collective of the various Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) entities working in concert could dislodge the Israeli determinism.

But, there is a very good possibility that if the HoAP were to inflict such damage and casualties on Israel, that reach an unrecoverable state, that might very well trigger draconian measures the likes of which the Arab Palestinians will not survive. And I believe that the HoAP currently doesn't have the offensive capability to raise the conflict to that level, they are that stupid to make such a suicidal attempt.

Just my Thought,

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

“we will teach our kids in the kindergartens, the elementary schools, and the middle schools how to move forward and liberate their land, with the help of Allah alone.”

“once you [children] complete the advanced course of the ‘March of Return,’ you should join the Al-Quds and Al-Qassam Brigades, the mujahideen and the freemen, wherever they may be.”

(COMMENT)

This is called "generational terrorist." (Passed from generation to generation.)

Any system of religious veneration and devotion (Abrahamic Churches for example) is just a step away from believing in the supernatural. And in culture where the male head of household who is strong and lovingly followed by the offspring can easily pass-on radical teaching and beliefs. This is the theory.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

“we will teach our kids in the kindergartens, the elementary schools, and the middle schools how to move forward and liberate their land, with the help of Allah alone.”

“once you [children] complete the advanced course of the ‘March of Return,’ you should join the Al-Quds and Al-Qassam Brigades, the mujahideen and the freemen, wherever they may be.”

(COMMENT)

This is called "generational terrorist." (Passed from generation to generation.)

Any system of religious veneration and devotion (Abrahamic Churches for example) is just a step away from believing in the supernatural. And in culture where the male head of household who is strong and lovingly followed by the offspring can easily pass-on radical teaching and beliefs. This is the theory.

Most Respectfully,
R

Agreed. The familial dynamic (male dominated, authoritarian nature), of Pal-Arab society along with the elements in the linked article nicely encapsulates the “generational terrorist” description. The article below examines primarily three components of Pal-Arab society that contributes to the endemic hatred for Jews (and Christians) that permeates Pal-Arab culture.

I don’t think it can be overstated that when a top to bottom, life defining program of indoctrination, one with religious undercurrents, instills virulent hatreds as a religious duty, you create a prescription for a maladjusted personality.

There are societal consequences for such things as kindergarten graduation where Pal-Arab children with mock weapons kidnap Jews, Hamas gee-had summer camp, the glorification of death as a “martyr”, etc.

This behavior begins in earliest childhood and has a singular focus of promoting hate and self-hate as a means of vilification of Jews.

Hatred of the Jews as a Psychological Phenomenon in Palestinian Society | Jerusalem Center For Public Affairs

Palestinian hatred of the Jews emanates from three principal sociohistorical sources: (1) Koranic and Hadith injunctions; (2) extremist Islamic militancy; and (3) the highly successful indoctrination and incitement of children established by the Palestinian Authority under Yasser Arafat.

jcpa.org

Palestinian hatred of the Jews emanates from three principal sociohistorical sources: (1) Koranic and Hadith injunctions; (2) extremist Islamic militancy; and (3) the highly successful indoctrination and incitement of children established by the Palestinian Authority under Yasser Arafat.

 

[Hollie]

Wow. Never saw this comin’.

<snark>

Palestinian Writers: The Coronavirus Is A Biological Weapon Employed By U.S., Israel Against Their Enemies

The coronavirus outbreak has been accompanied by the circulation of many conspiracy theories about the origin of the virus, which were published, inter alia, in the Arab media and The coronavirus outbreak has been accompanied by the circulation of many conspiracy theories about the origin of the...

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The coronavirus outbreak has been accompanied by the circulation of many conspiracy theories about the origin of the virus, which were published, inter alia, in the Arab media and especially in the Palestinian media.[1] While Palestinian Authority (PA) government spokesman Ibrahim Milhem said that the PA is taking measures against the virus in coordination and collaboration with Israel,[2] some in the Palestinian media accused Israel and the U.S. of spreading the coronavirus in the world for various reasons: in order to weaken China and Iran, to help Trump's reelection campaign and/or to facilitate Israel's takeover of the region.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Foreign settlers have the right to self determination?

Link?

Of course not.

Don't be silly. The Jewish people have been there for thousands of years.

The Palestinians were already there when the Hebrews came up from Egypt.