Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

 

[JoelT1]

Arabs hate “palestinians” and pray they disappear Abd Al-Bari Atwan: The Arab Leaders Are Praying That Israel Will Get Rid of the Palestinians Once and for All

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Shusha]

Yes it is the same. Once you label people fake you take the first step in deligitimizing them and negating their regional rights. When certain members of Team Israel do this it is coupled with " Why do Arabs need another state" or send them to Jordan. You are effectivelly negating their right to self identify as a people belonging to that region.

It is not the same.

There is a world of difference between saying:

"Of course! the Arab Palestinians should have self-determination -- here's 3/4 of Palestine! Its all yours!"

and saying:

"The Jewish people have no right to self-determination or a nation."

 

[Coyote]

Yes it is the same. Once you label people fake you take the first step in deligitimizing them and negating their regional rights. When certain members of Team Israel do this it is coupled with " Why do Arabs need another state" or send them to Jordan. You are effectivelly negating their right to self identify as a people belonging to that region.

It is not the same.

There is a world of difference between saying:

"Of course! the Arab Palestinians should have self-determination -- here's 3/4 of Palestine! Its all yours!"

and saying:

"The Jewish people have no right to self-determination or a nation."

That is not what they are saying though.

They are saying the Palestinians have no right to self determination or a nation because other Arab peoples have it already and they are doing it by denying them their rights as a people.

When does a people become a people? Is there a magical line where it is decided no new peoples can come into being or is it only Palestinians held to that line?

Self identification is important and most self identify as Palestians now and for generations.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Yes it is the same. Once you label people fake you take the first step in deligitimizing them and negating their regional rights. When certain members of Team Israel do this it is coupled with " Why do Arabs need another state" or send them to Jordan. You are effectivelly negating their right to self identify as a people belonging to that region.

It is not the same.

There is a world of difference between saying:

"Of course! the Arab Palestinians should have self-determination -- here's 3/4 of Palestine! Its all yours!"

and saying:

"The Jewish people have no right to self-determination or a nation."

That is not what they are saying though.

They are saying the Palestinians have no right to self determination or a nation because other Arab peoples have it already and they are doing it by denying them their rights as a people.

When does a people become a people? Is there a magical line where it is decided no new peoples can come into being or is it only Palestinians held to that line?

Self identification is important and most self identify as Palestians now and for generations.

Who is THEY?

Israel is not saying it, never did, and the negotiation is between Israel and the Palestinian leader, whoever that might be.

When do a people become a people?
When their leaders stop using them to destroy another people. Would that be asking too much?
The Arabs have chosen the Palestinian identity since 1964.
Now, it is a matter of making the Arab leaders of those Palestinians to choose to live in peace, side by side, with Israel and the Jews.

The identity is not the point.

The leaders demand that Israel be destroyed, is.

 

[Coyote]

Yes it is the same. Once you label people fake you take the first step in deligitimizing them and negating their regional rights. When certain members of Team Israel do this it is coupled with " Why do Arabs need another state" or send them to Jordan. You are effectivelly negating their right to self identify as a people belonging to that region.

It is not the same.

There is a world of difference between saying:

"Of course! the Arab Palestinians should have self-determination -- here's 3/4 of Palestine! Its all yours!"

and saying:

"The Jewish people have no right to self-determination or a nation."

That is not what they are saying though.

They are saying the Palestinians have no right to self determination or a nation because other Arab peoples have it already and they are doing it by denying them their rights as a people.

When does a people become a people? Is there a magical line where it is decided no new peoples can come into being or is it only Palestinians held to that line?

Self identification is important and most self identify as Palestians now and for generations.

Who is THEY?

Israel is not saying it, never did, and the negotiation is between Israel and the Palestinian leader, whoever that might be.

When do a people become a people?
When their leaders stop using them to destroy another people. Would that be asking too much?
The Arabs have chosen the Palestinian identity since 1964.
Now, it is a matter of making the Arab leaders of those Palestinians to choose to live in peace, side by side, with Israel and the Jews.

The identity is not the point.

The leaders demand that Israel be destroyed, is.

The they is some of the pro-Israel members on this thread.

 

[JoelT1]

Yes it is the same. Once you label people fake you take the first step in deligitimizing them and negating their regional rights. When certain members of Team Israel do this it is coupled with " Why do Arabs need another state" or send them to Jordan. You are effectivelly negating their right to self identify as a people belonging to that region.

It is not the same.

There is a world of difference between saying:

"Of course! the Arab Palestinians should have self-determination -- here's 3/4 of Palestine! Its all yours!"

and saying:

"The Jewish people have no right to self-determination or a nation."

That is not what they are saying though.

They are saying the Palestinians have no right to self determination or a nation because other Arab peoples have it already and they are doing it by denying them their rights as a people.

When does a people become a people? Is there a magical line where it is decided no new peoples can come into being or is it only Palestinians held to that line?

Self identification is important and most self identify as Palestians now and for generations.

Arabs began identifying as “palestinians” in the 1960s. Just 1 problem: No p in Arabic to write or even say “palestinian” LOL

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[JoelT1]

Yes it is the same. Once you label people fake you take the first step in deligitimizing them and negating their regional rights. When certain members of Team Israel do this it is coupled with " Why do Arabs need another state" or send them to Jordan. You are effectivelly negating their right to self identify as a people belonging to that region.

It is not the same.

There is a world of difference between saying:

"Of course! the Arab Palestinians should have self-determination -- here's 3/4 of Palestine! Its all yours!"

and saying:

"The Jewish people have no right to self-determination or a nation."

That is not what they are saying though.

They are saying the Palestinians have no right to self determination or a nation because other Arab peoples have it already and they are doing it by denying them their rights as a people.

When does a people become a people? Is there a magical line where it is decided no new peoples can come into being or is it only Palestinians held to that line?

Self identification is important and most self identify as Palestians now and for generations.

Arabs began identifying as “palestinians” in the 1960s. Just 1 problem: No p in Arabic to write or even say “palestinian” LOL

Arabs historically called Syria “Sham” not palestine, nor have they identified as “palestinians” for generations

Arabs identifying with the word “palestine” which originally referred to Greek Philistines, is plainly bogus

 

[Sixties Fan]

Yes it is the same. Once you label people fake you take the first step in deligitimizing them and negating their regional rights. When certain members of Team Israel do this it is coupled with " Why do Arabs need another state" or send them to Jordan. You are effectivelly negating their right to self identify as a people belonging to that region.

It is not the same.

There is a world of difference between saying:

"Of course! the Arab Palestinians should have self-determination -- here's 3/4 of Palestine! Its all yours!"

and saying:

"The Jewish people have no right to self-determination or a nation."

That is not what they are saying though.

They are saying the Palestinians have no right to self determination or a nation because other Arab peoples have it already and they are doing it by denying them their rights as a people.

When does a people become a people? Is there a magical line where it is decided no new peoples can come into being or is it only Palestinians held to that line?

Self identification is important and most self identify as Palestians now and for generations.

Who is THEY?

Israel is not saying it, never did, and the negotiation is between Israel and the Palestinian leader, whoever that might be.

When do a people become a people?
When their leaders stop using them to destroy another people. Would that be asking too much?
The Arabs have chosen the Palestinian identity since 1964.
Now, it is a matter of making the Arab leaders of those Palestinians to choose to live in peace, side by side, with Israel and the Jews.

The identity is not the point.

The leaders demand that Israel be destroyed, is.

The they is some of the pro-Israel members on this thread.

What THEY have been saying is that Israel has accepted the partition since 1937 when it was first offered. The Arab leaders have been rejecting any negotiation or compromise ever since.

What THEY are saying is that since 1920 the Arab/Muslim leaders have yelled nothing but death to Israel and death to the Jews, denying the Jews any sovereignty over any part of their own ancient homeland.

WHAT they are saying is that the Arab clan known as Hashemites ended up with 78% of the ancient land which was to go to the Jews, and ended up in Arab hands since 1925.

What THEY are saying, and I have shown many articles and videos, is that the Arab/Muslim leaders continue to demand nothing but the end of Israel so that they can create their Palestinian Nation over ALL of Gaza, West Bank and Israel.

Are you going to deny that 3/4 of the land which the Jews had total rights to become sovereign of, as of 1920, became the Land and country a clan of Arabs who did not belong on that land?

Will you deny that the Arab leaders have wanted nothing but the destruction of Israel and continue to educate their populations in Gaza and the PA that ALL of the land is theirs, stolen from them and they must give their lives and become martyrs for the cause of getting rid of Israel and the Jews living on it?

Peace does not depend on what some people on these threads say.
Peace depends on what the Arab leaders are going to continue to allow to be taught to their people, and if their people do not believe in it and do not want what the leaders want, the destruction of Israel, then how are they going to depose those leaders for those they can trust that they will be creating for them a better life, based on peace with Israel, and not the endless teachings of war against Israel and the Jews?

Do you understand some of the facts on the ground?

 

[Mindful]

The perfidy of the British:

The Balfour betrayal: How the British Empire failed Zionism

 

[Shusha]

Self identification is important and most self identify as Palestians now and for generations.

Most acknowledge that there is no difference between Palestinians and Jordanians and Syrians. That they are one people. They self-identify as one people.

They are saying the Palestinians have no right to self determination or a nation because other Arab peoples have it already and they are doing it by denying them their rights as a people.

That is NOT what team Israel are saying. No one on team Israel is saying that the Palestinians can't have a State of any kind on any territory. Not even Joel is saying that. Joel is simply saying that the Arab Palestinians shouldn't have yet ANOTHER State or three on territory that was granted to the Jewish people.

There is a very significant difference between "You can not have a State ANYWHERE on this territory (or anywhere in the world) because you do not exist" and saying, "You can't have a State HERE because this is the place for the Jewish people, but you can have one THERE because that is the place for the Arab Palestinian people".

The equivalent would be for team Israel to say, "The Arab Palestinians can not have a State anywhere in the world because they do not exist." (And we are going to stay at war with them until their State is destroyed.)

When does a people become a people? Is there a magical line where it is decided no new peoples can come into being or is it only Palestinians held to that line?

THAT is a fascinating question. Actually, I think the question should be reversed. When does a people cease to belong to a broad cultural group (a people)? Is self-identification the ONLY criteria? Or is there some requirement for some sort of significant cultural change or difference? If yes, what criteria would you choose?

Where does it end? This creation of new peoples and disappearance of Israel? Where does this creation of "new" peoples become an encroachment on the rights of the Jewish people to ALSO have a State? When 75% is removed? When 90% is removed? When 95% is removed? 100%? How to we prevent the Jewish State from growing smaller, and smaller and smaller with the continuous invention of new peoples?

Let's put shoe on other foot. Let's say the Jewish people decide they are actually four different peoples, based on their long history in so many places. They demand a sovereign State in Jordan. Another in Syria. Another in Lebanon. Yay or nay? And why?


And keep in mind, I am asking these questions because I'm a shit disturber (grin) and am looking for a higher level of conversation here (which you graciously provide). You know I believe that the Arab Palestinian people in the "West Bank" and Gaza should have another State if they want one. Or they should be able to join with Jordan or Egypt if they so desire.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ Coyote, et al,

Are you sure that is what they are saying.

They are saying the Palestinians have no right to self determination or a nation because other Arab peoples have it already and they are doing it by denying them their rights as a people.

When does a people become a people? Is there a magical line where it is decided no new peoples can come into being or is it only Palestinians held to that line?

Self identification is important and most self identify as Palestians now and for generations.

(COMMENT)

Before the Israeli Declaration of Independence, the Arab Higher Committee made their position clear. And while there is no one clear voice talking on behalf of the Arab Palestinians, the has been no substantive change in this position for more than half a century.

The Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following (A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948):

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  (a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
  
  (b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
  
  (c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
  
  (d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
  
  (e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
  
  (f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
  
  (g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

There was no one actually saying, officially, that the Arab Palestinians have not right. What was said was that the Arab Palestinian did not have in 1920, and did not have in 1948, any exclusive right that would preclude the establishment of a Jewish National Home.

Further more, the Arab Palestinian constantly declined to participate with a voice in the self-governing process:

Paragraph 23, "Political History of Palestine under British Administration"
In 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.
​

That position did not change 'through the entire period the Mandate was active. The position the Arab Palestinians finds itself in today has its origins in a time of the very creation of the Mandate superstructure and political framework.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

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Arabs began identifying as “palestinians” in the 1960s.

I would argue that it was later than that. The UN first uses the term "Palestinians" (as opposed to Arabs or Arab civilians) in 1974. (I think).

 

[Sixties Fan]

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Arabs began identifying as “palestinians” in the 1960s.

I would argue that it was later than that. The UN first uses the term "Palestinians" (as opposed to Arabs or Arab civilians) in 1974. (I think).

1974 is also the year the article Tinmore loves to post is dated.

 

[Coyote]

Self identification is important and most self identify as Palestians now and for generations.

Most acknowledge that there is no difference between Palestinians and Jordanians and Syrians. That they are one people. They self-identify as one people.

They are saying the Palestinians have no right to self determination or a nation because other Arab peoples have it already and they are doing it by denying them their rights as a people.

That is NOT what team Israel are saying. No one on team Israel is saying that the Palestinians can't have a State of any kind on any territory. Not even Joel is saying that. Joel is simply saying that the Arab Palestinians shouldn't have yet ANOTHER State or three on territory that was granted to the Jewish people.

First I want to apologize for the scarcity of my answers as I am relying on my phone and it sucks to type and produces a ton of typos. I would rather be more verbose snd use sources. Tonight i will try to be on the computer.

Second i want clarify a few things.

The Palestinians are now a people. They consider themselves a people. It should not mstter if they are culturally very similar to others. They have lived in the area referred to as Palestine for thousands of years. They have been overrun and conquered and married into other peoples and they include immigrants from other Arab countries. They have deep family ties to place that is equal to thogh different from the ties claimed by the Jews. This is one thing some here will not recognize as having any validity.

When you are saying they should not have another state on the territory granted to Jews what exactly do you mean? They should go to Africa...South America? Or shift tbem to Jordan and Syria? See I havent seen Joel state snything beyond denying them any rights of place or identity. It isnt too disimilar to the ways that Myanmar is erasing the Rohinga identity (without the murder and violence Myanmar is conducting) banning even the word. They are nobody. A people with no name or citizenship. I see a systemic effort to deny the Palestinians an identity.

If what you mean is the territory that is currently recognized as Israel then i agree with you. There is Gaza and the West Bank (exactly what parts to be negotiated) then that is reasonable as many will still be in the area where they have cultural and familial ties.

There is a very significant difference between "You can not have a State ANYWHERE on this territory (or anywhere in the world) because you do not exist" and saying, "You can't have a State HERE because this is the place for the Jewish people, but you can have one THERE because that is the place for the Arab Palestinian people".

Agree.

The equivalent would be for team Israel to say, "The Arab Palestinians can not have a State anywhere in the world because they do not exist." (And we are going to stay at war with them until their State is destroyed.)

Is anyone saying the Jews can not have state anywhere in the world?

When does a people become a people? Is there a magical line where it is decided no new peoples can come into being or is it only Palestinians held to that line?

THAT is a fascinating question. Actually, I think the question should be reversed. When does a people cease to belong to a broad cultural group (a people)? Is self-identification the ONLY criteria? Or is there some requirement for some sort of significant cultural change or difference? If yes, what criteria would you choose?

Great questions...and i am not sure I have an answer but it deserves a post of its own and fits into the topic perfectly. I am going to answer this part later.

Where does it end? This creation of new peoples and disappearance of Israel? Where does this creation of "new" peoples become an encroachment on the rights of the Jewish people to ALSO have a State? When 75% is removed? When 90% is removed? When 95% is removed? 100%? How to we prevent the Jewish State from growing smaller, and smaller and smaller with the continuous invention of new peoples?

Let's put shoe on other foot. Let's say the Jewish people decide they are actually four different peoples, based on their long history in so many places. They demand a sovereign State in Jordan. Another in Syria. Another in Lebanon. Yay or nay? And why?


And keep in mind, I am asking these questions because I'm a shit disturber (grin) and am looking for a higher level of conversation here (which you graciously provide). You know I believe that the Arab Palestinian people in the "West Bank" and Gaza should have another State if they want one. Or they should be able to join with Jordan or Egypt if they so desire.

All these are great discussion points so i sill answer them later when i am not so constrained!

 

[JoelT1]

Self identification is important and most self identify as Palestians now and for generations.

Most acknowledge that there is no difference between Palestinians and Jordanians and Syrians. That they are one people. They self-identify as one people.

They are saying the Palestinians have no right to self determination or a nation because other Arab peoples have it already and they are doing it by denying them their rights as a people.

That is NOT what team Israel are saying. No one on team Israel is saying that the Palestinians can't have a State of any kind on any territory. Not even Joel is saying that. Joel is simply saying that the Arab Palestinians shouldn't have yet ANOTHER State or three on territory that was granted to the Jewish people.

First I want to apologize for the scarcity of my answers as I am relying on my phone and it sucks to type and produces a ton of typos. I would rather be more verbose snd use sources. Tonight i will try to be on the computer.

Second i want clarify a few things.

The Palestinians are now a people. They consider themselves a people. It should not mstter if they are culturally very similar to others. They have lived in the area referred to as Palestine for thousands of years. They have been overrun and conquered and married into other peoples and they include immigrants from other Arab countries. They have deep family ties to place that is equal to thogh different from the ties claimed by the Jews. This is one thing some here will not recognize as having any validity.

When you are saying they should not have another state on the territory granted to Jews what exactly do you mean? They should go to Africa...South America? Or shift tbem to Jordan and Syria? See I havent seen Joel state snything beyond denying them any rights of place or identity. It isnt too disimilar to the ways that Myanmar is erasing the Rohinga identity (without the murder and violence Myanmar is conducting) banning even the word. They are nobody. A people with no name or citizenship. I see a systemic effort to deny the Palestinians an identity.

If what you mean is the territory that is currently recognized as Israel then i agree with you. There is Gaza and the West Bank (exactly what parts to be negotiated) then that is reasonable as many will still be in the area where they have cultural and familial ties.

There is a very significant difference between "You can not have a State ANYWHERE on this territory (or anywhere in the world) because you do not exist" and saying, "You can't have a State HERE because this is the place for the Jewish people, but you can have one THERE because that is the place for the Arab Palestinian people".

Agree.

The equivalent would be for team Israel to say, "The Arab Palestinians can not have a State anywhere in the world because they do not exist." (And we are going to stay at war with them until their State is destroyed.)

Is anyone saying the Jews can not have state anywhere in the world?

When does a people become a people? Is there a magical line where it is decided no new peoples can come into being or is it only Palestinians held to that line?

THAT is a fascinating question. Actually, I think the question should be reversed. When does a people cease to belong to a broad cultural group (a people)? Is self-identification the ONLY criteria? Or is there some requirement for some sort of significant cultural change or difference? If yes, what criteria would you choose?

Great questions...and i am not sure I have an answer but it deserves a post of its own and fits into the topic perfectly. I am going to answer this part later.

Where does it end? This creation of new peoples and disappearance of Israel? Where does this creation of "new" peoples become an encroachment on the rights of the Jewish people to ALSO have a State? When 75% is removed? When 90% is removed? When 95% is removed? 100%? How to we prevent the Jewish State from growing smaller, and smaller and smaller with the continuous invention of new peoples?

Let's put shoe on other foot. Let's say the Jewish people decide they are actually four different peoples, based on their long history in so many places. They demand a sovereign State in Jordan. Another in Syria. Another in Lebanon. Yay or nay? And why?


And keep in mind, I am asking these questions because I'm a shit disturber (grin) and am looking for a higher level of conversation here (which you graciously provide). You know I believe that the Arab Palestinian people in the "West Bank" and Gaza should have another State if they want one. Or they should be able to join with Jordan or Egypt if they so desire.

All these are great discussion points so i sill answer them later when i am not so constrained!

Funny: “Palestinians” who are Arabs identify with “palestine” an English/Latin/Greek word referring to Philistines who were Greek LOL

 

[Coyote]

Self identification is important and most self identify as Palestians now and for generations.

Most acknowledge that there is no difference between Palestinians and Jordanians and Syrians. That they are one people. They self-identify as one people.

They are saying the Palestinians have no right to self determination or a nation because other Arab peoples have it already and they are doing it by denying them their rights as a people.

That is NOT what team Israel are saying. No one on team Israel is saying that the Palestinians can't have a State of any kind on any territory. Not even Joel is saying that. Joel is simply saying that the Arab Palestinians shouldn't have yet ANOTHER State or three on territory that was granted to the Jewish people.

First I want to apologize for the scarcity of my answers as I am relying on my phone and it sucks to type and produces a ton of typos. I would rather be more verbose snd use sources. Tonight i will try to be on the computer.

Second i want clarify a few things.

The Palestinians are now a people. They consider themselves a people. It should not mstter if they are culturally very similar to others. They have lived in the area referred to as Palestine for thousands of years. They have been overrun and conquered and married into other peoples and they include immigrants from other Arab countries. They have deep family ties to place that is equal to thogh different from the ties claimed by the Jews. This is one thing some here will not recognize as having any validity.

When you are saying they should not have another state on the territory granted to Jews what exactly do you mean? They should go to Africa...South America? Or shift tbem to Jordan and Syria? See I havent seen Joel state snything beyond denying them any rights of place or identity. It isnt too disimilar to the ways that Myanmar is erasing the Rohinga identity (without the murder and violence Myanmar is conducting) banning even the word. They are nobody. A people with no name or citizenship. I see a systemic effort to deny the Palestinians an identity.

If what you mean is the territory that is currently recognized as Israel then i agree with you. There is Gaza and the West Bank (exactly what parts to be negotiated) then that is reasonable as many will still be in the area where they have cultural and familial ties.

There is a very significant difference between "You can not have a State ANYWHERE on this territory (or anywhere in the world) because you do not exist" and saying, "You can't have a State HERE because this is the place for the Jewish people, but you can have one THERE because that is the place for the Arab Palestinian people".

Agree.

The equivalent would be for team Israel to say, "The Arab Palestinians can not have a State anywhere in the world because they do not exist." (And we are going to stay at war with them until their State is destroyed.)

Is anyone saying the Jews can not have state anywhere in the world?

When does a people become a people? Is there a magical line where it is decided no new peoples can come into being or is it only Palestinians held to that line?

THAT is a fascinating question. Actually, I think the question should be reversed. When does a people cease to belong to a broad cultural group (a people)? Is self-identification the ONLY criteria? Or is there some requirement for some sort of significant cultural change or difference? If yes, what criteria would you choose?

Great questions...and i am not sure I have an answer but it deserves a post of its own and fits into the topic perfectly. I am going to answer this part later.

Where does it end? This creation of new peoples and disappearance of Israel? Where does this creation of "new" peoples become an encroachment on the rights of the Jewish people to ALSO have a State? When 75% is removed? When 90% is removed? When 95% is removed? 100%? How to we prevent the Jewish State from growing smaller, and smaller and smaller with the continuous invention of new peoples?

Let's put shoe on other foot. Let's say the Jewish people decide they are actually four different peoples, based on their long history in so many places. They demand a sovereign State in Jordan. Another in Syria. Another in Lebanon. Yay or nay? And why?


And keep in mind, I am asking these questions because I'm a shit disturber (grin) and am looking for a higher level of conversation here (which you graciously provide). You know I believe that the Arab Palestinian people in the "West Bank" and Gaza should have another State if they want one. Or they should be able to join with Jordan or Egypt if they so desire.

All these are great discussion points so i sill answer them later when i am not so constrained!

Funny: “Palestinians” who are Arabs identify with “palestine” an English/Latin/Greek word referring to Philistines who were Greek LOL

So what is your solution?

 

[Shusha]

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Arabs began identifying as “palestinians” in the 1960s.

I would argue that it was later than that. The UN first uses the term "Palestinians" (as opposed to Arabs or Arab civilians) in 1974. (I think).

1974 is also the year the article Tinmore loves to post is dated.

The significant change is the recognition of a quasi-governmental organization which represented the Palestinian people (as distinct).