Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

It was never the "Palestinians" and their rights to a homeland, a State, but the rights of the Muslims to keep the land in Muslim hands.

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[P F Tinmore]

You think Palestinian self defense is terrorism?

You think violating a family's home and murdering a child in her sleep is "self-defense"? You think violating a family's Shabbat meal and murdering a father protecting his wife and children is "self-defense"?

Between our life and our mother Algeria, we chose our mother: Excerpt from ‘Inside the Battle of Algiers: Memoir of a Woman Freedom Fighter’

Former Algerian female fighter Zohra Drif writes in her new memoir, "Perhaps the reader of today expects me to regret having placed bombs in public places frequented by European civilians. I do not. To do so would be to obscure the central problem of settler colonialism by trying to pass off the European civilians of the day for (at best) mere tourists visiting Algeria or (at worst) the 'natural' inheritors of our land in place of its legitimate children."

Between our life and our mother Algeria, we chose our mother: Excerpt from ‘Inside the Battle of Algiers: Memoir of a Woman Freedom Fighter’

 

[Shusha]

You are banging on an issue that is not disputed. The Jews who had lived there forever became Palestinians with the rest of the Palestinians after WWI.

And THOSE Jews are part of a collective of the Jewish people, who, as a collective, have the right to sovereignty in their homeland. It IS their homeland. It doesn't matter if they were forced into a diaspora ten years ago or a hundred years ago or a thousand years ago -- that is their native land. And ALL Peoples have a right to sovereignty on their native land.

Trying to remove the Jewish people from lands over which they have rights to sovereignty is not defending yourself. Its just denying rights to others -- the right to self-determination, the right to sovereignty, the right to life.

Its just ugly.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It doesn't matter if they were forced into a diaspora ten years ago or a hundred years ago or a thousand years ago

So, the right to return applies to future generations.

That's good to know.

 

[Shusha]

"Perhaps the reader of today expects me to regret having placed bombs in public places frequented by European civilians. I do not. To do so would be to obscure the central problem of settler colonialism by trying to pass off the European civilians of the day for (at best) mere tourists visiting Algeria or (at worst) the 'natural' inheritors of our land in place of its legitimate children."

Yes. I am fully aware that there are people in the world who believe that it is morally permissible to murder civilians. And yes. I am fully aware that you are one of them.

It is a reprehensible and abhorrent ideology.


Thank G-d the Jewish people have never adopted such a vile ideology. The question for the Jewish people is what to DO with those who hold this vile ideology. What is the SOLUTION?! Clearly the long-term solution is education. Its raising the next generations to believe in the sacredness of life and of respect for the rights of all peoples and not just some.

The job of repairing the world may not be completed in my lifetime, but this does not give me leave to stop trying.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What is the SOLUTION?! Clearly the long-term solution is education.

So, how do you educate away the fact that they got the boot and had their stuff stolen?

 

[Shusha]

So, the right to return applies to future generations.

That's good to know.

That has always been my argument (obviously). I uphold that argument for the Palestinian people as well.

In a world where EACH People have a sovereign, independent, self-governing and self-determining State -- return is NOT a problem and will not result in conflict. But, of course, you can't imagine that sort of equality.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You think Palestinian self defense is terrorism?

You think violating a family's home and murdering a child in her sleep is "self-defense"? You think violating a family's Shabbat meal and murdering a father protecting his wife and children is "self-defense"?

Between our life and our mother Algeria, we chose our mother: Excerpt from ‘Inside the Battle of Algiers: Memoir of a Woman Freedom Fighter’

Former Algerian female fighter Zohra Drif writes in her new memoir, "Perhaps the reader of today expects me to regret having placed bombs in public places frequented by European civilians. I do not. To do so would be to obscure the central problem of settler colonialism by trying to pass off the European civilians of the day for (at best) mere tourists visiting Algeria or (at worst) the 'natural' inheritors of our land in place of its legitimate children."

Between our life and our mother Algeria, we chose our mother: Excerpt from ‘Inside the Battle of Algiers: Memoir of a Woman Freedom Fighter’

What to make of your eternal jokes.

This woman was an indigenous person in Algeria fighting French colonialism. They would have fought the Turks if they had been able to before the Ottoman Empire fell. Their ancestors could not. They did not want to go from Ottoman colonialism to someone else's colonialism. It is the Algerian people's land.

Jews are the indigenous people of Palestine, and were fighting the British and Arab colonialism which tried to deny them sovereignty over their traditional ancient Jewish Homeland. ONLY the Jewish ancient homeland.
WHICH, they lost 77% of because the British simply GAVE it away to colonizing Arabs from Arabia, the poor, poor Hashemites.

You are such a hoot !!!

 

[Shusha]

What is the SOLUTION?! Clearly the long-term solution is education.

So, how do you educate away the fact that they got the boot and had their stuff stolen?

You start by saying, "The Jewish people got the boot and had their stuff stolen. We came along afterward to land which belonged to them. And we should most heartily welcome them home."

 

[Shusha]

Then you can say, (and it would be true), "We are not very different from the Syrians and the Jordanians. We are all the same people. We have Syria. We have Jordan. We have Gaza. We have parts of the West Bank. The Jewish people should have a homeland too. We can live with them, if you'd like, but it is their home and they will decide what it looks like. It will be their culture which will be most prominent. And that's okay. There is plenty to love about Jewish culture. And they will not forbid us our own. And they will treat us with respect and equality. If we want to live immersed in our culture, we will need to move. And that's okay too. And in our countries, we will not forbid them their own culture. And we will treat them with respect and equality. There is space enough in the world for both of us."


Why is this so HARD?

 

[Sixties Fan]

What is the SOLUTION?! Clearly the long-term solution is education.

So, how do you educate away the fact that they got the boot and had their stuff stolen?

They got the deserved BOOT in 1948 because they were dumb enough to listen to their violent, thieving Arab Leaders who promised that they would have the Jews killed and Israel destroyed in about two weeks time.

Those thieving violent Arab leaders lost, just as all the Arabs from the Mandate lost because they chose WAR of Israel and the Jews and destroy them, instead of living side be side and build and make things better for everyone.

Those expelled by Israel were the ones who stupidly followed their Arab leaders into wanting to kill all the Jews, they lost, and being enemy combatants, they were BOOTED OUT of Israel, for the safety sake of all Israelis, Jews, Arabs, etc, who were put through a war of annihilation of all Jews.

When a violent religion makes its people declare war and want to kill all the people on the other side, when they lose, THEY LOSE.

Stuff Stolen!!!!!

Go tell that to those who were murdered in 1929 in Sfad and Hevron, or all the Jews from TransJordan in 1920, or all the Jews kicked out of Judea and Samaria and the JEWISH quarter of Jerusalem (only one touched) in 1948.

THEY were BOOTED OUT.
THEY were KILLED.
THEY had their "stuff" (homes, lands, businesses, etc) stolen by the thieving Arabs.


Give the Jews back their STUFF!!!

From homes and lands and businesses in Gaza.
From homes and lands and businesses in TranJordan.
From homes and lands and business in Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter in Jerusalem.

Go cry a river for the thieves somewhere else !!!!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes. I am fully aware that there are people in the world who believe that it is morally permissible to murder civilians. And yes. I am fully aware that you are one of them.

Indeed, and they do it with colonization.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What is the SOLUTION?! Clearly the long-term solution is education.

So, how do you educate away the fact that they got the boot and had their stuff stolen?

They got the deserved BOOT in 1948 because they were dumb enough to listen to their violent, thieving Arab Leaders who promised that they would have the Jews killed and Israel destroyed in about two weeks time.

Those thieving violent Arab leaders lost, just as all the Arabs from the Mandate lost because they chose WAR of Israel and the Jews and destroy them, instead of living side be side and build and make things better for everyone.

Those expelled by Israel were the ones who stupidly followed their Arab leaders into wanting to kill all the Jews, they lost, and being enemy combatants, they were BOOTED OUT of Israel, for the safety sake of all Israelis, Jews, Arabs, etc, who were put through a war of annihilation of all Jews.

When a violent religion makes its people declare war and want to kill all the people on the other side, when they lose, THEY LOSE.

Stuff Stolen!!!!!

Go tell that to those who were murdered in 1929 in Sfad and Hevron, or all the Jews from TransJordan in 1920, or all the Jews kicked out of Judea and Samaria and the JEWISH quarter of Jerusalem (only one touched) in 1948.

THEY were BOOTED OUT.
THEY were KILLED.
THEY had their "stuff" (homes, lands, businesses, etc) stolen by the thieving Arabs.


Give the Jews back their STUFF!!!

From homes and lands and businesses in Gaza.
From homes and lands and businesses in TranJordan.
From homes and lands and business in Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter in Jerusalem.

Go cry a river for the thieves somewhere else !!!!

Too stupid to warrant a response.

 

[Shusha]

So, the right to return applies to future generations.

That's good to know.

And, btw, don't take liberties with that. It is a collective right, not an individual one. And it applies in the context of EACH people having a place to return to that is their sovereign homeland.

 

[Sixties Fan]

What is the SOLUTION?! Clearly the long-term solution is education.

So, how do you educate away the fact that they got the boot and had their stuff stolen?

They got the deserved BOOT in 1948 because they were dumb enough to listen to their violent, thieving Arab Leaders who promised that they would have the Jews killed and Israel destroyed in about two weeks time.

Those thieving violent Arab leaders lost, just as all the Arabs from the Mandate lost because they chose WAR of Israel and the Jews and destroy them, instead of living side be side and build and make things better for everyone.

Those expelled by Israel were the ones who stupidly followed their Arab leaders into wanting to kill all the Jews, they lost, and being enemy combatants, they were BOOTED OUT of Israel, for the safety sake of all Israelis, Jews, Arabs, etc, who were put through a war of annihilation of all Jews.

When a violent religion makes its people declare war and want to kill all the people on the other side, when they lose, THEY LOSE.

Stuff Stolen!!!!!

Go tell that to those who were murdered in 1929 in Sfad and Hevron, or all the Jews from TransJordan in 1920, or all the Jews kicked out of Judea and Samaria and the JEWISH quarter of Jerusalem (only one touched) in 1948.

THEY were BOOTED OUT.
THEY were KILLED.
THEY had their "stuff" (homes, lands, businesses, etc) stolen by the thieving Arabs.


Give the Jews back their STUFF!!!

From homes and lands and businesses in Gaza.
From homes and lands and businesses in TranJordan.
From homes and lands and business in Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter in Jerusalem.

Go cry a river for the thieves somewhere else !!!!

Too stupid to warrant a response.

No, my dear, your mind is too empty to acknowledge any of the above and ever be able to respond to what happened to all the Jews from 1920 to 1948.

You are a thief. Plain and simple.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, the right to return applies to future generations.

That's good to know.

And, btw, don't take liberties with that. It is a collective right, not an individual one. And it applies in the context of EACH people having a place to return to that is their sovereign homeland.

OK, collectively speaking, how many of those European settlers have ancestors from that territory?

 

[P F Tinmore]

What is the SOLUTION?! Clearly the long-term solution is education.

So, how do you educate away the fact that they got the boot and had their stuff stolen?

They got the deserved BOOT in 1948 because they were dumb enough to listen to their violent, thieving Arab Leaders who promised that they would have the Jews killed and Israel destroyed in about two weeks time.

Those thieving violent Arab leaders lost, just as all the Arabs from the Mandate lost because they chose WAR of Israel and the Jews and destroy them, instead of living side be side and build and make things better for everyone.

Those expelled by Israel were the ones who stupidly followed their Arab leaders into wanting to kill all the Jews, they lost, and being enemy combatants, they were BOOTED OUT of Israel, for the safety sake of all Israelis, Jews, Arabs, etc, who were put through a war of annihilation of all Jews.

When a violent religion makes its people declare war and want to kill all the people on the other side, when they lose, THEY LOSE.

Stuff Stolen!!!!!

Go tell that to those who were murdered in 1929 in Sfad and Hevron, or all the Jews from TransJordan in 1920, or all the Jews kicked out of Judea and Samaria and the JEWISH quarter of Jerusalem (only one touched) in 1948.

THEY were BOOTED OUT.
THEY were KILLED.
THEY had their "stuff" (homes, lands, businesses, etc) stolen by the thieving Arabs.


Give the Jews back their STUFF!!!

From homes and lands and businesses in Gaza.
From homes and lands and businesses in TranJordan.
From homes and lands and business in Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter in Jerusalem.

Go cry a river for the thieves somewhere else !!!!

Too stupid to warrant a response.

No, my dear, your mind is too empty to acknowledge any of the above and ever be able to respond to what happened to all the Jews from 1920 to 1948.

You are a thief. Plain and simple.

The Zionist colonial project started before 1920.

 

[Sixties Fan]

So, the right to return applies to future generations.

That's good to know.

And, btw, don't take liberties with that. It is a collective right, not an individual one. And it applies in the context of EACH people having a place to return to that is their sovereign homeland.

OK, collectively speaking, how many of those European settlers have ancestors from that territory?

NONE of the Palestinians, being Arabs, have ancestors going back thousands of years, as the Jewish People do.



And they are not "European" settlers. They are Jews from Asia Minor who lives in Europe for a period of time and then returned to their Ancient ancestral homeland.

 

[P F Tinmore]

NONE of the Palestinians, being Arabs, have ancestors going back thousands of years, as the Jewish People do.

Links?

 

[Sixties Fan]

What is the SOLUTION?! Clearly the long-term solution is education.

So, how do you educate away the fact that they got the boot and had their stuff stolen?

They got the deserved BOOT in 1948 because they were dumb enough to listen to their violent, thieving Arab Leaders who promised that they would have the Jews killed and Israel destroyed in about two weeks time.

Those thieving violent Arab leaders lost, just as all the Arabs from the Mandate lost because they chose WAR of Israel and the Jews and destroy them, instead of living side be side and build and make things better for everyone.

Those expelled by Israel were the ones who stupidly followed their Arab leaders into wanting to kill all the Jews, they lost, and being enemy combatants, they were BOOTED OUT of Israel, for the safety sake of all Israelis, Jews, Arabs, etc, who were put through a war of annihilation of all Jews.

When a violent religion makes its people declare war and want to kill all the people on the other side, when they lose, THEY LOSE.

Stuff Stolen!!!!!

Go tell that to those who were murdered in 1929 in Sfad and Hevron, or all the Jews from TransJordan in 1920, or all the Jews kicked out of Judea and Samaria and the JEWISH quarter of Jerusalem (only one touched) in 1948.

THEY were BOOTED OUT.
THEY were KILLED.
THEY had their "stuff" (homes, lands, businesses, etc) stolen by the thieving Arabs.


Give the Jews back their STUFF!!!

From homes and lands and businesses in Gaza.
From homes and lands and businesses in TranJordan.
From homes and lands and business in Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter in Jerusalem.

Go cry a river for the thieves somewhere else !!!!

Too stupid to warrant a response.

No, my dear, your mind is too empty to acknowledge any of the above and ever be able to respond to what happened to all the Jews from 1920 to 1948.

You are a thief. Plain and simple.

The Zionist colonial project started before 1920.

The Zionist return of the Jewish People to sovereignty on their ancestral homeland never stopped, from the time some Jews were taken to Babylon some 2700 years before the present.

They simply did not get to achieve that full sovereignty again until 1948.
And returning to their homeland was a constant thing with Jews, as explained to you a few thousand times.

Arabs were never RETURNING to their ancestral homeland in Palestine.
They could return to Arabia which is their ancestral homeland.
ALL other lands invaded outside of Arabia by Arabs after the 7th century are not the ancestral homelands of the Arabs, but of all indigenous people who were already living on the land at the time they invaded it.

Zionism is not an ugly word. It means freedom to be sovereign on the Jewish own ancestral homeland, and no one else's.

Zionism happened because of people like you who deny the Jewish people their rights.
Israel happened because it was time for it to be sovereign again.

Neither is going away.

Israel, or its sovereignty over its ancient land.