Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Sixties Fan]

The news all weekend has been about the backlash against Israel declaring six specific Palestinian NGOs as having links to the terrorist PFLP organization.

Israel and the US State Department clashed over the weekend after the Justice and Defense ministries on Friday declared that several leading Palestinian NGOs were arms of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) terrorist organization.
The ministries each issued documents classifying Addameer, Al Haq, Bisan Center, Defense for Children International – Palestine (DCI-P), Union Of Agricultural Work Committees (UAWC) and the Union of Palestinian Women’s Committees (UPWC), as branches of the PFLP, joining other NGOs who had previously also been designated as terrorist affiliates.
The US State Department criticized the announcement on Friday in the most explicit admonition from the Biden administration since the new Israeli government was formed in June.

The State of Israel itself has issued a detailed report, titled "Terrorists in Suits," documenting the extensive links between the PFLP and three of the organizations listed - Al Haq, Defense for Children International-Palestine, and Addameer. Some excerpts:
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There is no coincidence here. The PFLP is a Marxist organization that uses human rights as a weapon against Israel at the exact same time they are using explosives to kill Jews. Because it is socialist, the far Left haters of Israel fully embrace the PFLP, treating its terrorists as heroes - and these are many of the same organizations now screaming the loudest that their terrorist-linked NGOs are being treated appropriately.

What about the other organizations listed? What are their PFLP links?

One of the people arrested for the murder of Rina Shnerb was Samer Arbid, who served as an accountant at the Union of Agricultural Works Committees (UAWC) and led the cell for the murder - which the PFLP proudly calls the Bubeen operation.

The Regavim organization documented the links between the PFLP and UAWC:

(full article online)

The terrorist PFLP's links to Palestinian NGOs are extensive

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[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Unemployment Levels in the Gaza Strip
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There are, in each discussion set, a pattern of responses that becomes a footprint of the writer. I think mine is almost impossible to miss, as I am sure that most people would agree is your footprint. I am very careful to give credit to the original source from which I pull information. Hense, I cite source material or provide URLs as is appropriate. You, on the other hand, provide little commentary but rather, post videos or commentary from other sources. This makes some of your responses very repetitive; being predictable.


(COMMENT).

Are you saying that you are not anti-Israeli and pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian resolve?
Are you saying that you are not influenced by these grounded visions?
Are you saying that there is no evidence to be found in these discussions to substantiate my impression?
.

Most Respectfully,
R

I am just a neutral observer. I am a middle class, Midwestern, (I live about 20 minutes from you.) white guy. I have lived most of my life in the Cleveland area. I was raised in a household that did not classify people by race, religion, etc. as they were irrelevant concepts.

I stumbled upon the conflict about 2000 and have been trying to make sense of it ever since. Before then, like most Americans, I knew nothing. I have read the documents, watched the documentaries, and listened to the talks. Then I tried to match that to the facts on the ground.

I base my conclusions on what I can see.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Clarification
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: While that is a very interesting response, it does not maintain the line and continuity of the discussion.

Are you saying that you are not anti-Israeli and pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian resolve?​

Are you saying that you are not influenced by these grounded visions?​

Are you saying that there is no evidence to be found in these discussions to substantiate my impression?​

I am just a neutral observer. I am a middle class, Midwestern, (I live about 20 minutes from you.) white guy. I have lived most of my life in the Cleveland area. I was raised in a household that did not classify people by race, religion, etc. as they were irrelevant concepts.

(COMMENT)

I cannot say that I am a "neutral observer." I am an opininated "outside observer."

I cannot but help to take "race, religion, etc." into account where there is evidence that they play a part on the issues. Each time someone say "apartheid" that are injecting (by definition) the twin concepts of "dominance" and "race." Each time someone mentions HAMAS, they are injection the concept of religion. HAMAS means "ISLAMIC" Resistance Movement (a "Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement"). And IF you read the General Principles and Policy of HAMAS (updated alla 2017 Copyright © 2021 Hamas All rights reserved) THEN you cannot help but observe that HAMAS makes it very plain: "Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. (Palestine is at the heart of the Arab and Islamic Ummah and enjoys a special status.)" You cannot understand the conflict unless you take (as you say) "race, religion, etc." into the context.

While it might sound very 21st Century-ish or trendy to say you consider these concepts "irrelevant" the fact is they are not.

I stumbled upon the conflict about 2000 and have been trying to make sense of it ever since. Before then, like most Americans, I knew nothing. I have read the documents, watched the documentaries, and listened to the talks. Then I tried to match that to the facts on the ground.

(COMMENT).

After my tour in Vietnam, I spent about 80% of my adult life overseas, either in the various Pacific Commands or the European Command before I retired in 1989. And as you may have guessed, my Alma Mater (nourishing mother) is The Ohio State University, although I have studied at several institutions. Start in 2004 I became a Civilian Advisor in the Government and served in such fashionable places as Afghanistan, Iraq and Yemen. And while I may not have been to the land between the Jordan River - westward to the - Mediterranean Sea, I've left footprints in sand of a number of neighbors including Jordan and Kuwait. I understand the ground. In 2011, I traded my boots for Merrells and put my feet up.

I base my conclusions on what I can see.

(COMMENT).

Can you honestly say this?

Just as visually there are illusions, it exists that there are other mental illusions that shape our perception. During my Doctoral Candidacy, several of us, while drinking at the Agora, dawned and experiment. We put on glasses that inverted our view. It was just one of those foolish things you might agree to in a euphoric state. The idea was to see whose mind would be the fastest to adapt and mentally make the correction. Mine never changed, but in about four days, a couple others did experience the change. But they ran into a problem when they took the glasses off.

The point of this little story is that what you think you see, is not always what is there. That is just as true for mental reasoning as it is for visual perceptions.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore said:


Because Israel destroyed the employment in Gaza.


No discussion about this allegation?

What is there to discuss? You made an unsupported claim.

YouTube video?

 

[Hollie]

I am just a neutral observer.

…..who spends most of my waking moments cutting and pasting YouTube videos in furtherance of hating Jews.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Earlier this month Swedish Foreign Minister Ann Linde warned, "If we are to fully support economic development, then we can not have corruption at such a level as exists in Palestine."

A recent audit of the Palestinian Authority for the year 2020 revealed many examples of corruption and embezzlement of funds. These included misuse of funding for the Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, the “National Committee as a Permanent Capital for Arab culture,” abuses by the Palestinian Ministry of Finance, Al-Aqsa University and many other institutions. If lots of money is sent to the Palestinian government, you can assume that much of it is going into the pockets of their leaders.

The total aid expected by the Palestinian government this year is only 10% of the total pledges of donor countries to the PA. One official said that the funds expected to come later this month from France and the EU were earmarked in 2020, and the 2021 money has not yet come.

The rampant corruption of the Palestinian Authority is still barely reported in the media, even though it is well known to the international community and to Palestinians themselves. It contradicts the narrative that Palestinian suffering is all because of Israel, and therefore the media believes that reporting this will just confuse people - and cause them to lose interest in a conflict that is a cash cow for the news business.

(full article online)

Palestinian corruption is causing international funding to dry up almost completely

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[Sixties Fan]

Muslim Children Pretend to Shoot at Jews on the Temple Mount

Is the Temple Mount actually holy to the Muslims?

www.israelunwired.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Although the summer is over, the PA and Fatah continue what they call “summer camp activities” for youth that present terrorists as role models. At the PA Security Forces’ university, Al-Istiqlal University, the PA’s police administration and Fatah’s Shabiba High School Movement are teaching 50 female teenagers to see terrorist Dalal Mughrabi who led the murder of 37 Israelis as a role model. The teens, who are from schools in the area, participate in a camp named after the murderer, who together with other terrorists hijacked a bus full of Israeli civilians in 1978, murdering 25 adults and 12 children:

“The [Fatah] Shabiba High School [Movement] Committees, the student wing of Fatah’s Salfit branch, continued the summer camp activities at Al-Istiqlal University (i.e., PA Security Forces university) in Jericho, in cooperation with the [PA] police administration. Fifty young women from the Salfit schools are participating in the [training] camp, which is named ‘Class of Martyr Dalal Mughrabi’.”
[Official PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Oct. 23, 2021]

The Salfit branch of Fatah’s Shabiba High School Movement Committees posted photos of the camp participants during training at which they wore military uniforms and stood in formation. (See picture above)

Posted text: “Some of the activities and drills of the Fatah Shabiba High School [Movement Committees] – Salfit Branch camp, which is currently being held at Al-Istiqlal University (i.e., PA Security Forces university) in Jericho for this the second consecutive day. It should be noted that 50 female students from the schools in Salfit are participating in this camp that bears the name ‘Class of Mart.yr Dalal Mughrabi’.
The Shabiba High School Committees – Salfit Branch”
(The “.” in the word “Martyr” is an apparent attempt to evade Facebook’s algorithm)
[Facebook page of the Fatah Shabiba High School Movement Committees – Salfit Branch, Oct. 22, 2021]

At the end of the two-day camp the participants received certificates:

Text on certificate: “Certificate of Participation
The Fatah Movement - Salfit Branch
and Al-Istiqlal University attest that female student [NAME]
participated in the sisters' winter camp, Class of Martyr Dalal Mughrabi
between the dates of Oct. 21, 2021 - Oct. 23, 2021
Al-Istiqlal University, Jericho"
[Facebook page of the Fatah Shabiba High School Movement Committees – Salfit Branch, Oct. 23, 2021]

Member of Fatah’s Central Committee Tawfiq Tirawi and Fatah Salfit Branch Secretary Abd Al-Sattar Awwad both attended the graduation ceremony of the Fatah camp, at which the young female participants again wore military uniforms and Palestinian keffiyehscarves:

(full article online)

PA Police and Fatah teach 50 girls to see terrorist murderer Mughrabi as role model | PMW Analysis

Fatah officials at graduation ceremony of “Class of Martyr Dalal Mughrabi”

palwatch.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

After my tour in Vietnam, I spent about 80% of my adult life overseas, either in the various Pacific Commands or the European Command before I retired in 1989.

You see, there is your problem. Government employment makes you think funny.

You view the world from the top down. I view the world from the bottom up. While you are talking guns and power, I am talking rights and freedom.

We just don't speak a common language.

 

[P F Tinmore]

…..who spends most of my waking moments cutting and pasting YouTube videos in furtherance of hating Jews.

Links?

 

[Sixties Fan]

As we've seen, the PFLP makes no distinction between its political and social movements and its support for murdering Jews. These "human rights" groups don't consider Jews to be human. And they are being defended by the international human rights community.

The PFLP itself has its own unusual definition of human rights.

A PFLP representative gave a speech in Cuba to mark the group's 45th anniversary in 2012. Here is what he said about human rights:

On this anniversary, we reaffirm our commitment to our goals, principles and inalienable Palestinian national rights. Some of these have been recognized and approved by the norms, principles, conventions, international resolutions, international law and human rights. The first of these rights is the right of the Palestinian people to resist the occupation by all means and methods.

"All means and methods" is the Palestinian way of saying "terror attacks."

PFLP training camp for kids, this year

This is the lens through which any honest person must look at these organizations that claim to uphold a progressive, human rights agenda. To them, human rights includes murdering Jews for their cause.

I cannot find a counterexample where these purported human rights groups admit that Israel Jews are human or that they condemn terror attacks against Jews in Israel. (I even posted a bet in Twitterthat no such statement exists.)

When Human Rights Watch, Amnesty, B'Tselem and the UN all defend the PFLP's social organizations, they are defending a philosophy where murdering Jews is celebrated.

(full article online)

The PFLP says it is a "human right" for Palestinians to kill Jews

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[Hollie]

Links?

Yes.

 

[Hollie]

It seems the entire existence of Pally Cultists is subsidiary to the goal of gee-had in the service of Jew hating. The contents of the Koran and the Sunnah make clear that gee-had is the final means set down for the achievement of this goal. This Islamic gee-had is the longest and most victim-rich campaign to inflict death and misery in human history.

Even the Ummah's girls can occassionaly be called into the service of inflicting death and misery. It's what they do.

PA Police and Fatah teach 50 girls to see terrorist murderer Mughrabi as role model | PMW Analysis

Fatah officials at graduation ceremony of “Class of Martyr Dalal Mughrabi”

palwatch.org

PA Police and Fatah teach 50 girls to see terrorist murderer Mughrabi as role model​

Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Oct 26, 2021

• Fatah officials at graduation ceremony of “Class of Martyr Dalal Mughrabi”​

• Young female participants train in military uniforms​

Although the summer is over, the PA and Fatah continue what they call “summer camp activities” for youth that present terrorists as role models. At the PA Security Forces’ university, Al-Istiqlal University, the PA’s police administration and Fatah’s Shabiba High School Movement are teaching 50 female teenagers to see terrorist Dalal Mughrabi who led the murder of 37 Israelis as a role model. The teens, who are from schools in the area, participate in a camp named after the murderer, who together with other terrorists hijacked a bus full of Israeli civilians in 1978, murdering 25 adults and 12 children:

 

[Sixties Fan]

I happened to catch this person's picture on the website of Islamic Jihad's Saraya site as a "martyr."

He looked pretty young.

He was.

According to his obituary, Omar Salman Abu Mustafa was killed two months short of his 18th birthday, on October 24, 2004.

Mustafa had joined Islamic Jihad in 2002, when he was 15, and he joined their Saraya al-Quds unit in 2003 when he was 16.

He was killed along with his 30 year old brother in Gaza.

Mustafa was hardly unique.


Islamic Jihad is also celebrating the anniversary of the "martyrdom" of Saeed Muhammad Al-Najjar, killed on October 25 2004, the day after his 17th birthday. He joined Islamic Jihad at 13 and the Saraya brigades at 16.

Defense for Children-Palestine seems silent about this.

Just some Palestinian child soldier "martyrs" being celebrated

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[Hollie]

I believe there is a certain common sense approach to Pally islamic terrorism and that requires not rewarding isamic terrorist behavior.

The dedicated welfare fraud agency, (UNRWA), is a fund that provides money and incentives for Pally terrorism. Opening a Pally terrorist "consulate" that has no real purpose other than to legitimize islamic terrorism serves no purpose.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/10/18/us-consulate-for-palestinians-will-encourage-terrorism/

Instead of encouraging the world to divide Jerusalem and turn it into a city plagued by terrorism, you must send a clear message to the world at large: Jerusalem belongs to the Jewish people, bereaved families tell US Secretary of State Antony Blinken.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Common Sense
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

BLUF: Hollie is correct. She has a solution. But the preferred outcomes are NOT going to give politicians the "instant gratification” they want. Common Sense is rather hard to find in the Rarified Gaseous Atmosphere inside the Beltway around the Capitol. The closer you get to Congress or the White House, the denser foolishness becomes. The same is True at the HQ UN in NYC, Ramallah, Gaza, and the Hague. Sometimes, when you pull the bandage off, it will hurt.

I believe there is a certain common sense approach to Pally islamic terrorism and that requires not rewarding isamic terrorist behavior.

(COMMENT)

Of course this is an Israeli problem. Putting the squeeze on the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP)

The dedicated welfare fraud agency, (UNRWA), is a fund that provides money and incentives for Pally terrorism. Opening a Pally terrorist "consulate" that has no real purpose other than to legitimize islamic terrorism serves no purpose.

(COMMENT)

While the initial idea behind the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) was honorable, it has become subject to the Stockholm syndrome at the political level and agency wide. The UNRWA (as well as several donor nations) has become psycho-politically bond with their captors (HoAP) during financial captivity. At first, the UNRWA was dependent on good relations with the HoAP. But now the HoAP and Corrupt Governments in Ramallah and Gaza are dependent on the welfare provided by the UNRWA.

As I said in several of my previous comentaries, here BESA says it betteer: "Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas show a clear intention to turn the clock back. Israel cannot accept these dictates, which would have been rejected out of hand by Yitzhak Rabin."​

Mahmoud Abbas’s Demands: A Decree of Israel’s Surrender​

SOURCE: BESA Center Perspectives Paper No. 2,099 • By Maj. Gen. (res.) Gershon Hacohen • July 19, 2021

Instead of encouraging the world to divide Jerusalem and turn it into a city plagued by terrorism, you must send a clear message to the world at large: Jerusalem belongs to the Jewish people, bereaved families tell US Secretary of State Antony Blinken.

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(COMMENT)

This is an external effort by outside political entities to placate and appease the HoAP. The HoAP hold peace hostage. And the damage they have done will take (not decade, but) generations to come, as the UNRWA has ingrained the HoAP as the only way to peace casting the Israelis and the US as the evil villains.
.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Palestinian Authority issued the instruction recently, saying it is prohibited to sell gasoline in plastic or glass containers to citizens, making it more difficult to get the crucial ingredient for Molotov cocktails.

"Resistance activists" said that this was meant to "protect the occupation." There are daily attacks against Israeli motorists and police using the crude firebombs. However, there have been many protests against the Palestinian Authority recently as well, and this decision might have been aimed at those.

Political activist Fakhri Jaradat told Felesteen that the PA aims to control the security situation in the West Bank and bury all kinds of resistance.

According to the Shin Bet, there were 187 Molotov cocktail attacks against Israel in September, more than double the incidents in August.

(full article online)

Palestinian Authority stops fuel stations from selling gasoline in containers for Molotov cocktails

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[Sixties Fan]

The board of directors of the Waqfet Ezz fund were rich businessmen who were expected to donate huge amounts.

Already last year, criticisms of the fund started. Citizens felt that the government was responsible for helping the people and shouldn't push the issue of funding to the private sector. Only $13 million was raised in the first month. 10 of the 29 board members didn't give a dime. People felt that the board should include citizens from Gaza, from academia and from NGOs, instead of only rich businessmen who raised their own prices for goods to take advantage of the coronavirus.

Now, an audit shows that the Waqfet Ezz fund misused its limited funds, and gave aid to many people who didn't deserve it. Some people who made handsome salaries still snagged benefits, and some families had as many as seven members each apply for and receive benefits when it was meant on a per-family basis.

Where there is money, there is Palestinian corruption.

(full article online)

Palestinian Authority misused COVID-19 funds

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[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

( Why? What children in any normal country, territory is teaching their children such toxic garbage? )

What could be more appropriate than a song about dying for Allah and “Palestine” to celebrate a wedding anniversary? What could be cuter than 2 young girls singing the song? And what could be more damaging than the PA’s constant brainwashing of Palestinian children and adults that “Martyrdom” is good, prestigious, and what Allah desires?

On occasion of the wedding anniversary of imprisoned terrorist Khaled Al-Baseti who is serving 21-years for stabbing 4 Israelis, the PA TV program for and about Palestinian prisoners, Giants of Endurance, sent him greetings from his relatives. Among the well-wishers were two young girls singing a song that advocates dying for “freedom” and for “Palestine”:

Full article online)

Young girls sing “we’ll sacrifice our lives” on PA TV | PMW Analysis

Girls sing in honor of terrorist prisoner who stabbed 4

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