Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

◈ Just how do you know what they were used for?

For one, Hamas specifically stated that the tunnels would not be used against civilians but only to defend against attacking military.

For another, if there were any attacks against civilians Israel would make sure everybody heard about it. And people on this bourd would hawk those attacks for...oh....10-20 years.

 

[Hollie]

For one, Hamas specifically stated that the tunnels would not be used against civilians but only to defend against attacking military.

For another, if there were any attacks against civilians Israel would make sure everybody heard about it. And people on this bourd would hawk those attacks for...oh....10-20 years.

Was the Hamas statement delivered via a “ Certificate of Authenticity “?

Hamas announces its 'heroes' are digging new tunnels and 'experimenting with rockets' - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

(JTA) — Palestinian “heroes” are digging tunnels to be used in future attacks on Israel, Hamas’ senior political leader said. At a funeral in Gaza City Friday for seven Hamas operatives killed when rain and flooding caused a tunnel they were working on to collapse, Ismail Haniyeh said...

www.jta.org

(JTA) — Palestinian “heroes” are digging tunnels to be used in future attacks on Israel, Hamas’ senior political leader said.

At a funeral in Gaza City Friday for seven Hamas operatives killed when rain and flooding caused a tunnel they were working on to collapse, Ismail Haniyeh said preparations are underway for the next confrontation with Israel, Agence France Press reported.



You may need additional training time at the Hamas Institute of Taqiyya.

They have a YouTube channel, BTW.

 

[rylah]

Terror Tunnels Is an Israeli propaganda term. Those tunnels have never been used against civilians.​

That's why Jihadis dug a tunnel into a dining room?

Tunnels provide yet more evidence of Hamas’ use of ostensibly civilian buildings for military purposes - AIJAC

As the war in Gaza moves into its fourth week, additional information about Hamas' extensive network of underground tunnels is beginning to surface. One thing that has become increasingly clear is that, in keeping with Hamas practice, the entrances to many tunnels are located in clinics, homes...

aijac.org.au

 

[rylah]

Then why is nobody talking about Spain?

Arab Muslim supremacists openly talk about domination
of the entire Middle East - and then some...

Muslims Demand 'Right of Return' to Spain

Muslim groups are demanding Spanish citizenship for potentially millions of descendants of Muslims who were expelled from Spain during the Middle Ages. The growing clamor for

www.realclearworld.com

 

[Hollie]

Then why is nobody talking about Spain?

Moslems aren’t talking about Spain because by 1614 they were expelled.

Gee-had in reverse, so to speak.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Specific Response
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Anyone who believes this, needs a psych examination.

"Hamas specifically stated that the tunnels would not be used against civilians"
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For one, Hamas specifically stated that the tunnels would not be used against civilians but only to defend against attacking military.

For another, if there were any attacks against civilians Israel would make sure everybody heard about it. And people on this bourd would hawk those attacks for...oh....10-20 years.

(COMMENT)

The overwhelming majority of all the HAMAS attacks, since the turn of the century, have been directed against civilians. Since the turn of the century, no tunnel has been employed as any significant defensive measure. Like I said before, at least a dozen tunnels have been discovered having penetrated the international boundary set up by the Israelis (Self-Determination).

Every single rocket attack (and there have been nearly 20,000 since the turn of the century) is considered an attack against Israeli civilians. Every launched kite with an incendiary device is not only a violation of Customary and International Humanitarian Law, but it is also a violation of the Article 2(1) and Article 3 • International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombing.
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International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombing
Article 1(3a): An explosive or incendiary weapon or device that is designed, or has the capability, to cause death, serious bodily injury or substantial material damage;
JERUSALEM (JTA) — A group of Palestinians that claims to be behind the initiative to send incendiary kites and balloons from Gaza into southern Israel said it would launch 5,000 of the arson tools on Friday.
Jerusalem Post (JP) — The fires have burned nearly 1,200 hectares of land near the Gaza Strip, more than half of the 2,100 hectares of forested land in the region.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Specific Response
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Anyone who believes this, needs a psych examination.

"Hamas specifically stated that the tunnels would not be used against civilians"
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(COMMENT)

The overwhelming majority of all the HAMAS attacks, since the turn of the century, have been directed against civilians. Since the turn of the century, no tunnel has been employed as any significant defensive measure. Like I said before, at least a dozen tunnels have been discovered having penetrated the international boundary set up by the Israelis (Self-Determination).

Every single rocket attack (and there have been nearly 20,000 since the turn of the century) is considered an attack against Israeli civilians. Every launched kite with an incendiary device is not only a violation of Customary and International Humanitarian Law, but it is also a violation of the Article 2(1) and Article 3 • International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombing.
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International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombing
Article 1(3a): An explosive or incendiary weapon or device that is designed, or has the capability, to cause death, serious bodily injury or substantial material damage;
JERUSALEM (JTA) — A group of Palestinians that claims to be behind the initiative to send incendiary kites and balloons from Gaza into southern Israel said it would launch 5,000 of the arson tools on Friday.
Jerusalem Post (JP) — The fires have burned nearly 1,200 hectares of land near the Gaza Strip, more than half of the 2,100 hectares of forested land in the region.

Most Respectfully,
R

So where is your list of Israel's violations?

Or are you running a double standard?

 

[rylah]

Maybe Israel could get them fired for supporting Palestine.

Firing Hadids for what,
because of their own greed they were projecting on others,
or because you don't like BDS-holes "supporting Palestine" by investing in Tel-Aviv?

For a "palestine supporter" you seem most high
when picturing them suffering no matter how fake.

 

[Hollie]

So where is your list of Israel's violations?

Or are you running a double standard?

Really odd to suggest that Hamas is a benevolent entity making promises about who they will and will not bring the gee-had to.

Did you just fall off the taqiyya truck?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Specific Response
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Any nation involved in a continuous conflict, of varying degrees of intensity, over a period greater than a half-century, has bound to have been involved in some questionable event. Not that I know of any particular even, but the Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR) tells us that, somewhere along that timeline, the probabilities are very high that some such event did occur.

So where is your list of Israel's violations?

Or are you running a double standard?

(COMMENT)
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Having said that there is that probability of an even, and knowing that since the end of the Great War (1918), atrocities have taken place that has made an indelible impression on much of humankind, does not mean that the collective events over the duration of the Arab Palestinian - Israeli conflict rise to the level warrant Israel to be accused of the Crime of Genocide, Crimes against Humanity, War Crimes, or The Crime of Aggression.

◈ Israel was not responsible for an Attack on an Olympic Village.​

◈ Israel was not responsible for a single aircraft hijacking.​

◈ Israel did not take a cruise ship hostage and throw a wheelchair-bound person overboard.​

◈ Israel did not employ a campaign of suicide bombers.​

◈ Israel did not intentionally line up men, women, and children from bus and mow them down with gunfire.​

◈ etc, etc, etc,​

Israel was never involved in a committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population. This differs significantly from the open policy statements of the Arab Palestinians now trying to play the part of victims. Israel does not urge martyrdom-death for a heavenly reward, Israel does not pay stipends to bombers of places of public use, public transportation, school buses. Israel is one of the most ethnically diverse nations in the entire Middle East - North African (MENA) Region, or of any of the Arab League Gulf States. Israel is not an apartheid state where one racial group stands over any other racial group with the intention of maintaining that regime; Israel has changed regimes almost a dozen times since 1948.

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Yes, there are probably events that may require investigation, but can you tell me which ones that Israel did not investigate?

The Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) promote the idea that Israel opposes the aspiration for freedom, liberation, return and self-determination. I'm not sure if this allegation is true or not, where is the evidence. What is apparent is that Israel is a self-actuation nation that of its domestic laws, just as the Scandinavian states, the European States, and most of the MENA States. Israel supports and operates, from all outward appearances, the idea that no one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter or exit his own country. But nothing is without exception. Israel will take those steps necessary to protect national security (including sovereignty and territorial integrity), public order, public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others. This is fully within the parameters set by the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR). And it would appear to me that Israel follows the CCPR concept that those people advocating racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence, will probably be denied entry. This again is fully within the parameters set by the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR). And, obviously, those that advocate propaganda for war or incite conflict would probably be denied entry. Remember, immigration (those that were not born in Israel) is at the discretion of Israel, as it is for every single member state of the UN.

The significance of this is simple. As an example, YOU have advocated the Right of the Arab Palestinian to engage in Hostile Activities. So I would be surprised if the Israelis would allow you entry, but then it is up to them. All those anti-Israeli protestors taking part in demonstrations along the Israeli-Gaza Border might be (by a reasonable person) a HoAP and thus denied entry no matter any other cause.

What I am looking for is evidence of:

Article 7 Crimes Against Humanity • Elements of Crimes • International Criminal Court​

Introduction​

The last two elements for each Crime Against Humanity describe the context in which the conduct must take place. These elements clarify the requisite participation in and knowledge of a widespread or systematic attack against a civilian population.​

Does anyone really believe that the ICC Prosecutor should be a hired gun of an organization designated as a Terrorist Organization by the EU States?
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Most Respectfully,
R




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[Mindful]

FACT​

Khaled Abu Toameh reported, “Palestinians in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip are excited. Israeli authorities have decided to allow thousands of them to work in Israel. The news about the Israeli decision spread like wildfire, prompting tens of thousands of Palestinians to converge on the offices of the chambers of commerce throughout the Gaza Strip in the hope of obtaining a permit to work in Israel” (Khaled Abu Toameh, “Why Palestinians Prefer To Work In Israel,” Gatestone Institute, October 13, 2021).

Palestinians are voting with their feet. They don’t believe their leaders’ propaganda or that of Western liberals thousands of miles away pushing the anti-Semitic BDS campaign, the specious comparison to Afrikaner South Africa, and nonsense about “settler colonialism.”

Israel increased the number of work permits for Gazans to 10,000. This is expected to bring more than $25 million a month into the Gaza Strip. The average daily wage of a Gazan laborer in Israel is nearly $100, which would be $11.75 hour for an 8-hour day (Amos Harel, “New Gaza work permits intended to postpone next clash,” Haaretz, October 21 2021). Most work in in construction, agriculture and manufacturing.

More than 100,000 Palestinians in the West Bank already have permits to work in Israel – 15,000 were added in July 2021. About 30,000 work in Jewish settlements, another example of the absurdity of anti-Israel rhetoric about how these communities are the obstacles to peace (Tovah Lazaroff, “13% hike in work permits for Palestinians prior to PM-Biden parley,” Jerusalem Post, July 28, 2021).

As Khaled Abu Toameh noted, Palestinian workers are also reacting to the “failure of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to improve the living conditions of their people despite the massive sums of money they receive from various sources, including the United States, European Union and United Nations.” He added:

Instead of building schools and hospitals and industrial zones, Hamas has been investing millions of dollars in arming and training its military group, Izaddin al-Qassam. Hamas prefers to spend money on any Palestinian who is prepared to join the jihad (holy war) on Israel than on an unemployed university graduate in the Gaza Strip.

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[P F Tinmore]

Does anyone really believe that the ICC Prosecutor should be a hired gun of an organization designated as a Terrorist Organization by the EU States?

They don't use the same name calling list.

 

[P F Tinmore]

“Why Palestinians Prefer To Work In Israel,” Gatestone Institute, October 13, 2021).

Because Israel destroyed the employment in Gaza.

FACT​

Khaled Abu Toameh reported, “Palestinians in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip are excited. Israeli authorities have decided to allow thousands of them to work in Israel. The news about the Israeli decision spread like wildfire, prompting tens of thousands of Palestinians to converge on the offices of the chambers of commerce throughout the Gaza Strip in the hope of obtaining a permit to work in Israel” (Khaled Abu Toameh, “Why Palestinians Prefer To Work In Israel,” Gatestone Institute, October 13, 2021).

Palestinians are voting with their feet. They don’t believe their leaders’ propaganda or that of Western liberals thousands of miles away pushing the anti-Semitic BDS campaign, the specious comparison to Afrikaner South Africa, and nonsense about “settler colonialism.”

Israel increased the number of work permits for Gazans to 10,000. This is expected to bring more than $25 million a month into the Gaza Strip. The average daily wage of a Gazan laborer in Israel is nearly $100, which would be $11.75 hour for an 8-hour day (Amos Harel, “New Gaza work permits intended to postpone next clash,” Haaretz, October 21 2021). Most work in in construction, agriculture and manufacturing.

More than 100,000 Palestinians in the West Bank already have permits to work in Israel – 15,000 were added in July 2021. About 30,000 work in Jewish settlements, another example of the absurdity of anti-Israel rhetoric about how these communities are the obstacles to peace (Tovah Lazaroff, “13% hike in work permits for Palestinians prior to PM-Biden parley,” Jerusalem Post, July 28, 2021).

As Khaled Abu Toameh noted, Palestinian workers are also reacting to the “failure of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to improve the living conditions of their people despite the massive sums of money they receive from various sources, including the United States, European Union and United Nations.” He added:

Instead of building schools and hospitals and industrial zones, Hamas has been investing millions of dollars in arming and training its military group, Izaddin al-Qassam. Hamas prefers to spend money on any Palestinian who is prepared to join the jihad (holy war) on Israel than on an unemployed university graduate in the Gaza Strip.

Myths & Facts: Online Exclusives

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Load of hooey.

Remember that the Gatestone Institute is an Israeli propaganda organization.

 

[Mindful]

Because Israel destroyed the employment in Gaza.

Load of hooey.

Remember that the Gatestone Institute is an Israeli propaganda organization.

Why do you bother?

 

[rylah]

Because Israel destroyed the employment in Gaza.

Load of hooey.

Remember that the Gatestone Institute is an Israeli propaganda organization.

At Gaza's Jihadis own request.

Notice, how you can't argue a single fact,
merely assuming it must be incorrect only
because it's said by someone affiliated with Israel.

In other words,
are you coming here to have a discussion,
any point you can argue, or to hide behind a narrative bubble?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because Israel destroyed the employment in Gaza.

That's not true, terror rocket manufacturing and terror tunnel digging has never employed more....

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Unemployment Levels in the Gaza Strip
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I don't expect anything I say to persuade your anti-Israeli and pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian resolve. But from one perspective:

The Palestinian factions in Gaza, mainly Hamas and Islamic Jihad, fired more than 4,000 rockets and mortar shells beginning on May 10, according to the Israeli military, following days of confrontations between Palestinians and Israeli security forces at the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound/Temple Mount in east Jerusalem.
SOURCE: The Media Line 5/29/21

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TOP 10 Highest Regional Unemplyement Ranking
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Unemployment, youth ages 15-24​

total: 40.2%
male: 34.8%
female: 67.2% (2019 est.)
Note: includes the West Bank​

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Country Comparison to the world: 9

Real GDP growth rate​

-15.2% (2014 est.)
5.6% (2013 est.)
7% (2012 est.)
Note: excludes the West Bank​

Because Israel destroyed the employment in Gaza.

(COMMENT)

This is non-sense!

Context​

In June of 2014, the IDF was in the middle of Operation ‘Brother’s Keeper’ in Judea and Samaria. Hamas and other terrorist organizations significantly increased rocket fire at civilian areas in southern Israel. Within three weeks, nearly 250 rockets were fired at Israeli civilian areas. The IDF was forced to respond.
SOURCE: Israeli Defense Force Description

HAMAS ignited the conflict with Rocket Fire → Eighty rockets were fired on 7 July. On the following day, Israel launched Operation Protective Edge.

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Talley of HAMAS Rocket Fire Leading up to and including
Operation Protective Edge​

Load of hooey.

Remember that the Gatestone Institute is an Israeli propaganda organization.

(COMMENT)
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My experience in our discussions is that you are not satisfied with any Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) or Media Outlet unless is supports your position. So I'm not surprised by this commentary segment.

Gatestone Institute, a non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank is dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report in promoting:

• Institutions of Democracy and the Rule of Law;
• Human Rights
• A free and strong economy
• A military capable of ensuring peace at home and in the free world
• Energy independence
• Ensuring the public stay informed of threats to our individual liberty, sovereignty and free speech..

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Unemployment Levels in the Gaza Strip
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I don't expect anything I say to persuade your anti-Israeli and pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian resolve. But from one perspective:

View attachment 556245
TOP 10 Highest Regional Unemplyement Ranking
​

Unemployment, youth ages 15-24​

total: 40.2%​

male: 34.8%​

female: 67.2% (2019 est.)​

Note: includes the West Bank​

​

Country Comparison to the world: 9

Real GDP growth rate​

-15.2% (2014 est.)​

5.6% (2013 est.)​

7% (2012 est.)​

Note: excludes the West Bank​

(COMMENT)

This is non-sense!

HAMAS ignited the conflict with Rocket Fire → Eighty rockets were fired on 7 July. On the following day, Israel launched Operation Protective Edge.

View attachment 556274
Talley of HAMAS Rocket Fire Leading up to and including
Operation Protective Edge​

(COMMENT)
.
My experience in our discussions is that you are not satisfied with any Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) or Media Outlet unless is supports your position. So I'm not surprised by this commentary segment.

Gatestone Institute, a non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank is dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report in promoting:

• Institutions of Democracy and the Rule of Law;
• Human Rights
• A free and strong economy
• A military capable of ensuring peace at home and in the free world
• Energy independence
• Ensuring the public stay informed of threats to our individual liberty, sovereignty and free speech..

Most Respectfully,
R

P F Tinmore said:


Because Israel destroyed the employment in Gaza.


No discussion about this allegation?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Police suspect that the young woman felt sick last Saturday and turned for help to a 64-year-old sheik, a former senior member of the Islamic Movement who practices witchcraft. During the exorcism ceremony that was conducted by the sheik, the young woman collapsed and was evacuated to a local clinic in Tel Sheva, where she was treated by her relative, a doctor, 32, who also works in one of the hospitals in the south. He called her death.

The victim’s brother-in-law told Channel 13 News: “We understand that he (the sheik) strangled her as part of the treatment. She came in alive and came out dead. I don’t understand, why did he have to strangle her?”

(full article online)

Bedouin Woman Dies in Exorcism Performed by Ismail Haniyeh’s Relative

"It turned out that as part of the treatment process, the person actually gets strangled."

www.jewishpress.com

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Unemployment Levels in the Gaza Strip
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There are, in each discussion set, a pattern of responses that becomes a footprint of the writer. I think mine is almost impossible to miss, as I am sure that most people would agree is your footprint. I am very careful to give credit to the original source from which I pull information. Hense, I cite source material or provide URLs as is appropriate. You, on the other hand, provide little commentary but rather, post videos or commentary from other sources. This makes some of your responses very repetitive; being predictable.

Because Israel destroyed the employment in Gaza.

No discussion about this allegation?

(COMMENT).

Are you saying that you are not anti-Israeli and pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian resolve?
Are you saying that you are not influenced by these grounded visions?
Are you saying that there is no evidence to be found in these discussions to substantiate my impression?
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Most Respectfully,
R