Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Hollie]

Infidel innovated technology and media are a staple of islamic terrorists. Fatah, for example, uses Facebook to relentlessly press their retrograde message of hate and to heap praise on the killers they create. Its important to recognize the realities of "low-intensity" or "asymmetrical" warfare as practiced by the Pally terrorists using western technology.

Gaza Round 4: Hamas Follows the Classic Terror Playbook - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

For decades, terrorists have relied on three weapons to fight the West: our technology, our media, and our laws and associated values.

spectator.org

For decades, terrorists have relied on three weapons to fight the West: our technology, our media, and our laws and associated values.

 

[Hollie]

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Palestinian kids taught to admire escaped terrorists​

Palestinian kids taught to admire escaped terrorists | PMW Analysis

Palestinian kids taught that escaped terrorists are “heroes”

palwatch.org

Nan Jacques Zilberdik and Itamar Marcus | Sep 26, 2021

• Palestinian kids taught that escaped terrorists are “heroes”​

• Fatah glorifies 4th grader who wrote about the fugitive terrorists for “understanding the lesson”​

The escape of 6 Palestinian terrorists from an Israeli prison earlier this month was cause for great celebration in the PA, and the PA utilized the escape to reinforce what Palestinian children are taught daily: That terrorists and murderers of Israelis are heroes. The following images and texts published by PA schools, Abbas’ Fatah Movement, and the official PA daily, show that Palestinian school kids are being taught to honor all terrorists, with focus on the escapees (who were all recaptured within 2 weeks):

One example illustrates how central the message that terrorists are heroes is and how important it is for the PA and Fatah to get it across to children. Fatah posted the answers given by a 4th grader who chose to write sentences about the 6 escaped terrorists for an assignment on interrogatives. Fatah said the boy had “understood the lesson of the prisoners well”:









In the alternate reality of Pally'dom, heroes are defined by those who target and attack Israeli soldiers and civilians. The Pallys steadily grind away at developing generation after generation of psycho-social misfits who lack any sort social order or value system not aligned with a 7th century politico-religious code. The result has been massively destructive to the point where they celebrate thieves, killers and psychopaths as heroes.

 

[Hollie]

In the face of the Hamas Charter, an Israeli refusal to recognize a blood enemy will allow that enemy to do great harm. As the actions of the Islamic terrorists speak with the utmost clarity, these approaches by Israel; interrupting and foiling Islamic terrorist attacks, are the only ones that will work

Five Killed in West Bank Shootouts (Published 2021)

The Israeli military said the five were killed during raids to arrest members of a Hamas network planning terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians.

www.nytimes.com

JERUSALEM — Israeli forces killed five Palestinians in armed confrontations in the occupied West Bank early on Sunday, according to Israeli officials. They said the gun battles occurred during a series of raids intended to thwart a terrorist attack on Israeli civilians.

 

[Sixties Fan]

In a recent PA TV interview PLO Ambassador to the UK Husam Zomlot complained that social media platforms like Facebook, Instagram and Twitter block posts glorifying terrorism.

Zomlot also lamented blocked posts praising arch-terrorists “Abu Jihad” and “Abu Iyad.” They were responsible for the murder of dozens of pf Israelis including the Munich Massacre and one of the most lethal terror attacks in Israel that killed 37 civilians including 12 children.

(watch video online)

WATCH: Palestinian Diplomat Laments Facebook Blocking Incitement | United with Israel

Ambassador Hussein Zomlot's comments say a lot about how 'peaceful' the PA really is.

unitedwithisrael.org

 

[Hollie]

Sacrifices must be made for the good of the Ummah.

‘Bullets and batons’: Palestinian Authority beats back dissent

Palestinian activists are regularly arrested and beaten by the PA in the West Bank, Human Rights Watch says.

www.aljazeera.com

Palestinian activists are regularly arrested and beaten by the PA in the West Bank, Human Rights Watch says.

 

[Sixties Fan]

(Fight Egypt and Jordan from 1948 to 1967? No. Other Muslims and Arabs made enemies of the Palestinian People? No)

When 6 Palestinian terrorists escaped from an Israeli prison earlier this month, senior Fatah official Abbas Zaki was quick to reiterate PA ideology when it comes to Palestinian prisoners. In two separate interviews, Zaki stated that it is PA policy to “honor” anyone who fights Israel - the enemy - including those using the “armed struggle,” and that imprisoned terrorists are “our elite and most favored people” and deserve salaries.

Fatah Central Committee member Abbas Zaki:“Our custom in the Palestinian arena is to honor everyone who waved this flag of struggle and fought against this enemy – whether with a pen, politics, armed struggle, or diplomatic activity.”
[Official PA TV News, Sept. 7, 2021]

Fatah Central Committee member Abbas Zaki: “We have approximately 543 prisoners who were sentenced to life… Israel is also preventing the payment of salaries to them. They want to turn our elite and most favored people into terrorists.”
[Al-Mayadeen TV (Lebanon), Sept. 10, 2021]

Palestinian Media Watch has reported on numerous statements by Zaki in which he has expressed his support for terror and terrorists.

Abbas Zaki also holds the position as Fatah Commissioner for Arab and China Relations

(full article online)

Fatah official: Terrorist prisoners are "our elite and most favored ‎people”‎ | PMW Analysis

We “honor everyone” who fought Israel, “the enemy,” with “armed struggle,” says Fatah official

palwatch.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

(Fight Egypt and Jordan from 1948 to 1967? No. Other Muslims and Arabs made enemies of the Palestinian People? No)

When 6 Palestinian terrorists escaped from an Israeli prison earlier this month, senior Fatah official Abbas Zaki was quick to reiterate PA ideology when it comes to Palestinian prisoners. In two separate interviews, Zaki stated that it is PA policy to “honor” anyone who fights Israel - the enemy - including those using the “armed struggle,” and that imprisoned terrorists are “our elite and most favored people” and deserve salaries.

Palestinian Media Watch has reported on numerous statements by Zaki in which he has expressed his support for terror and terrorists.

Abbas Zaki also holds the position as Fatah Commissioner for Arab and China Relations

(full article online)

Fatah official: Terrorist prisoners are "our elite and most favored ‎people”‎ | PMW Analysis

We “honor everyone” who fought Israel, “the enemy,” with “armed struggle,” says Fatah official

palwatch.org

Resistance is justified when people are occupied.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian Media Watch has reported on numerous statements by Zaki in which he has expressed his support for terror and terrorists.

Not true.

 

[Hollie]

Resistance is justified when people are occupied.

What people are occupied?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What people are occupied?

I think he's talking about some muslim squatters.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Question on Armed Justification
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Yeah, The assumption is so very similar to the Virginia Tilley work in her book: Beyond Occupation: Apartheid, Colonialism and International Law in the Occupied Palestinian Territories which calls on the 2007 Report from the Special Rapporteur on the Human Rights (HR) situation in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OpT). Professor Virginia Tilley (Political Science at Southern Illinois University-Carbondale) executes the Arab Palestinian strategy of assembling a jagged set of similarities that mimic apartheid and colonialism to demonstrate that the Occupation (alla Article 43, 1907 Hague Regulation) and the Oslo Accords which the Arab Palestinians agreed to (Special Provisions concerning Area C), are contrary to international law.

Resistance is justified when people are occupied.

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So there is still a question as to who is claiming what and against whom?

And most importantly, how can these accusations apply given the Ramallah Government actually meets the prerequisite:

(a) a permanent population;​

(b) a defined territory;​

(c) government; and​

(d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.​

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

(a) a permanent population;(b) a defined territory;(c) government; and(d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

Palestine has a population that dates back hundreds even thousands of years.

Palestine has international borders defined by treaties.

Palestine has signed on to international conventions and even had a trade agreement with the US. Palestine engaged in international trade.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

There's an obvious need to talk about Israeli safety when the islamic terrorist gee-had is being waged.

 

[Hollie]

Strange, that. Wasn't the ''country of Pal'istan'' invented in 1924 by the Treaty of Lausanne?

The ''country of Pal'istan'' was instantly filled with 'Pal'istanians' in 1967 by the decree of an Egyptian who invented those 'Pal'istanians'.

Would a Palestinian State Be a Failure? - The Tower

While the West debates over the future of the "two-state solution," few are asking the hard questions about what a Palestinian state would actually look like--and whether it would work at all. EYLON ASLAN-LEVY takes a hard look.

www.thetower.org

If a state of Palestine were given independence tomorrow, would it become a failed state? Considering the international community’s conviction that Palestinian statehood holds the keys to a peaceful and prosperous Middle East, one would hope this nightmare scenario would be far-fetched. But a close examination reveals that this is wishful thinking. The truth is that, upon its birth, a state of Palestine would rank among the most fragile states in the world. And far from contributing to Middle East peace, the emergence of a new fragile state in a splintering region would result in increased conflict and instability, with potentially devastating consequences for its people, neighbors, and the international order​

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[Toddsterpatriot]

Palestine has international borders defined by treaties.

What treaties? Who signed them? When?

Link?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: General Question
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I find it hard to believe

Palestine has a population that dates back hundreds even thousands of years.

(COMMENT)

My My, While this is true, it actually means nothing. (Think About this.) IF the cradle of civilization was somewhere in Africa, THEN a large percentage of the people on the planet are descendants of forebearers that passed through that region of the world.

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This concept that the Arab Palestinians have some sort of exclusive heritage (thousands of years old) to the territory is getting old. You can drop-kick that argument to the trash. Hell, I can claim linage to the region that dates back ≈ 12,000 years. But the idea of territorial control has a contemporary meaning. And in the last millennium, the Arab Palestinians of today demonstrated almost no control over the territory.

Palestine has international borders defined by treaties.

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I am totally unaware of any International Treaty that delineates a nation called Palestine. Certainly no treaty during the 20th Century such a territory. That is especially true of the Treaty of Lausanne. So you have an opportunity to school me here. What Treaty is that of which you speak?

Palestine has signed on to international conventions and even had a trade agreement with the US. Palestine engaged in international trade.

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International Trade and Commerce has no being on territorial control. The US had Treaties that effectively ended privacy all along the Barbary Coast. But even the Oslo Accords (the establishment of a Palestinian Interim Self-Government Authority) recognizes authorities under the Areas designated "A" - "B" - and "C." And that International Accord (an international agreement concluded between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in written form and governed by international law) delineates the Special Provisions concerning Area "C."

When the Israelis established effective control over the West Bank in 1967, it was governed by Jordan. When the Government of Jordan abandon political control of the West Bank there was no authority made up of Arab Palestinians to take over as the Government. The Arab League had in 1974 recognized the PLO as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. But it had not assembled a self-governing institution of any kind.
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

When the Government of Jordan abandon political control of the West Bank there was no authority made up of Arab Palestinians to take over as the Government.

Where do you get the idea that guns are necessary for the existence of a state? The rights of a state are (supposed to be) protected by law not necessarily by a military.

ARTICLE 4

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933

The people are the sovereigns in their defined territory. They are the ones who can, if they want, create a government.

Who created the government of the US? "We the people." The sovereigns of the territory.

 

[Hollie]

Where do you get the idea that guns are necessary for the existence of a state? The rights of a state are (supposed to be) protected by law not necessarily by a military.

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The people are the sovereigns in their defined territory. They are the ones who can, if they want, create a government.

Who created the government of the US? "We the people." The sovereigns of the territory.

Is the above to mean you're going to rattle on..... again..... about the Treaty of Lausanne inventing the "country of Pal'istan" and those "new states" which don't exist?

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

But even the Oslo Accords

Agreements can only be signed between states. The state of Israel and the state of Palestine.