Who are the Palestinians? An Arab Invention.

[Eloy]

I was an advocate for Israel before Hasbara was even founded although I support what they are doing. I was there as the beginning of Step Up For Israel and was an usher at the Atlanta Synagogue that hosted the first Step up for Israel event. Dennis Praeger was the guest speaker and we handed out plenty of material to help the people get educated on Arab propaganda against Israel and their hate agenda on US Campuses. Hasbara and Step up for Israel are great for countering the lies that have been continually targeting Israel and the Jewish people. I don't agree with Hasbara in their stating the willingness of Israel to sacrifice their land for peace and discussions of a two state solution. I believe the Arabs have no claim to the land and should be driven out of the land entirely. By any means necessary. All land that has been given to the Arabs should be taken back and returned to the Jewish people. Israel is a Jewish State. Not an Arab one.

The Afrikaners thought as you do.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Hossfly

This shit can't hold a candle to your immortal masterpiece of humor, Hoss:

MUSSOLATICI

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Was that before or after the Arabs castrated them turning them into slaves & turned their wives and children into sex slaves?

 

[José]

It was a tremendous injustice...

Hossfly with his staunch support of the jewish South Africa is much closer to the spirit of Benito Mussolini's best buddy than Montelatici will ever be.

But the joke was funny as hell....

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

It was a tremendous injustice...

Hossfly with his staunch support of the jewish South Africa is much closer to the spirit of Benito Mussolini's best buddy than Montelatici will ever be.

But the joke was funny as hell....

You couldn't be more wrong about that. The Jews had nothing in common with Hitler, Heimrich Himmler or the Grand Mufti of Islam (who were all friends one to another), Jose'. When the Grand Mufti of Islam, Amin A- Husseini arrived in Rome, Amin met with Benito Mussolini who butchered the Ethiopians in Africa. I suppose you could call it one jihadists admiration of another, Mussolini vowed to Amin Al-Husseini to help the Arab cause against the Jews. The Muslim Grand Mufti of islam, Husseini was much closer in the spirit of Benito Mussolini than Hossfly supporting the Jews of South Africa and those who have been a target of genocide by the likes of Islam and other mass murderers. Did you know that Adolf Hitler was also a good friend of the Grand Mufti of Islam? Yes, he was.

 

[José]

It was a tremendous injustice...

Hossfly with his staunch support of the jewish South Africa is much closer to the spirit of Benito Mussolini's best buddy than Montelatici will ever be.

But the joke was funny as hell....

You couldn't be more wrong about that. The Jews had nothing in common with Hitler, Heimrich Himmler or the Grand Mufti of Islam (who were all friends one to another), Jose'. When the Grand Mufti of Islam, Amin A- Husseini arrived in Rome, Amin met with Benito Mussolini who butchered the Ethiopians in Africa. I suppose you could call it one jihadists admiration of another, Mussolini vowed to Amin Al-Husseini to help the Arab cause against the Jews. The Muslim Grand Mufti of islam, Husseini was much closer in the spirit of Benito Mussolini than Hossfly supporting the Jews of South Africa and those who have been a target of genocide by the likes of Islam and other mass murderers. Did you know that Adolf Hitler was also a good friend of the Grand Mufti of Islam? Yes, he was.

Hitler's original plan to get rid of Europe's "jewish problem" was to send them all to Madagascar or some other God-forsaken place in Africa or Asia where they could be confined, closely monitored and bombed if they tried to leave.

In other words, Nazi Germany's original plan to deal with european Jews' "pernicious influence" was the creation of a jewish ethnic enclave remarkably similar to the arab enclaves of Gaza and the WB.

The similarity is anything but fortuitous... the creation of ethnic enclaves is the standard way used by supremacist states to neutralize the influence of unwanted ethnic groups.

So I repeat, anyone who supports the state of Israel shares much more intelectual affinity with Nazi Germany than Montelatici.

 

[teddyearp]

Well yes, many of the ancestors of the Arab Palestinians were Jews. Arab defines a language group. Arabian defines a person whose ancestry is from Arabia. By 380 AD, those practicing any religion besides Christianity had to convert to Christianity to be a legal inhabitant of Palestine. In 380 AD the Roman Empire made Christianity the state religion. You see, you know very little about the real history, you only spout propaganda. By the time the Muslims conquered Palestine in 630 or so AD, the land was exclusively Christian.

Not all converted to Christianity in 380AD and you know it and have admitted as much in other threads. Therefore, you know for a fact that your last five words are not true.

 

[teddyearp]

I have no interest in the Koran, but I understand that it is a Zionist myth that the city of Jerusalem isn't mentioned in the Koran.

So instead of linking to another forum site, how about finding a link to the koran showing Jerusalem listed by any of its names.

 

[teddyearp]

That is a Zionist myth, and it has been repeated often enough that now it is believed by the brainwashed, unfortunately. The Koran mentions the city of Jerusalem several times, most poignantly in the "flight" from Mecca to Jerusalem where in the Koran it is transliterated to Baytul Maqdis, the location where the Al Aqsa mosque was built. Now, the silliness of the claim of a flight can be questioned, but Jerusalem is mentioned.

Baytul Maqdis is not the transliterated name for Jerusalem, is it another name for the Al-Aqsa mosque. A mosque that did not exist during Mohammad's time nor when the koran was written later.

Baytul-Maqdis is itself the Al-Aqsa mosque

Link: http://www.islamweb.net/en/article/154438/baitul-maqdis-is-al-aqsa-mosque

And check it out monti, my link is not from a 'Zionist' site, but from an Islamic one. And I see that further down it may refer to a greater area, however this quote from the site is interesting as well to this thread:

the Prophet

said: “Baytul-Maqdis will be conquered.”

If there was already a mosque there and/or a holy city to Islam, why would it need to be conquered?

 

[teddyearp]

Palestine was an exclusively Christian land during Mohammed's time, Jews in Palestine had long before converted to Christianity, of course he would say it belonged to another enemy of the Christians.

Why do you continue to lie? We have (the two of us) already discussed and you agreed that not ALL converted to Christianity. Israel was NOT exclusively Christian.

 

[teddyearp]

most of us are neutrals <snip>

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Monti is claiming to be neutral! That is about the ******* funniest thing I've read on this board ever!

 

[teddyearp]

Man, I hate coming into a thread late, I end up bombing it like Phoenal, lol.

Too bad the OP melted down, he/she started out pretty eloquently.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

In 1922 the word "Palestinian" meant any resident of British Mandate Palestine, Arab, Jew, Xtian, Druid, Methodist, Jedi ... what have you.

The word "Palestinian" didn't take on its current definition of Arab Only until 1967.

According to one state dept. official it was a term that came out of Baleshinka School ( a subversive technique School in Russia) where the Russians were training Arafat on the propaganda that the Arabs were the long lost people of Palestine. It was a very carefully crafted propaganda plot that has spanned decades and was rolled out in increments (from what we can see). I'd say they ripped a page out of Josef Goebbel's playbook. Tell a lie big enough, often enough and the people (some) will believe it.

Interesting fact. They were not able to hide the fact that these Arab Palestinians never had their own language, money, flag, etc. You know, the things that people who have a history in a country have? That was missing with these long lost Palestinians.

The word Palestinian was the term used for the inhabitants of the Roman province of Palaestina and an inhabitant of the province was called a
Palaestino and is present in Roman era documents. The ancestors of the current day native Muslim and Christian inhabitants spoke various languages through the centuries. Aramaic, Latin and Greek were the most common languages before the Muslim conquest. But, the Palestinians referred to themselves as the People of Palestine in communications with the British Colonial Office in the 1920s. Repeating Zionist propaganda doesn't make it true.

Oh please. Israel was like a barren wasteland before the Jews returned to it and put their hand to that soil. Then? It blooms like a rose in the middle of the desert! Just as God said it would! Read Mark Twain's account of what it looked like over there before the Jews returned to their land.
Yes. A barren wasteland. The Jews return to their homeland after their long exile had come to an end, the land is revived and comes to life and then?.......... and then suddenly Arabs are claiming they were there all along! Baloney! I can tell you now that Mark Twain's testimony is the precise opposite and I'll take his account of what it looked like.

He described a desolate country – devoid of both vegetation and human population:

“….. A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds… a silent mournful expanse…. a desolation…. we never saw a human being on the whole route…. hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.” - quote from Mark Twain Innocents Abroad

The Holy Land was hollow until the Jews returned.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

In case I forgot to mention it I am 100% against a 2 state solution. The Arabs must go.

Aristocrats Hate and Fear All Other White People

It's like the two-state solution the British proposed in the Royal Proclamation of 1763. The Whites would be confined to the coastal states; the savages would be free to let the rest of America go to waste. But we are only allowed to consider a prearranged analogy; this contemporary two-state copy of that absurdity is presented instead as the warm and fuzzy Velvet Revolution that separated the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

One fascist gifting the fascists of Islam.......birds of a feather flocking together:
Mussolini gifted 75 marble pillars to the Dome of the Rock

Mussolini gifted 75 marble pillars to the Dome of the Rock


Fascist Italy gifted Islam marble pillars to the Dome on the Rock on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

685-691, Old City, Jerusalem, Israel — Dome of the Rock, Jerusalem — Image by © Carmen Redondo/CORBIS

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All the marble pillars that holds up the Dome of the Rock was gifted by Italian Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini.
Few people are aware of the history of Dome of the Rock, that stands on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

The interior is almost a copy of the St. Peters Basilica the center for the Vatican Powers in Rome.

When Benito Mussolini gifted the Pope the Vatican statehood in 1929, Fascist Italy was based on a vision of uniting the whole Middle East under their rule. Italy wanted to evict British domain in the region, and needed support from the Islamic forces. A union between the Catholic Church and Islam was needed to evict Protestant and Evangelical nations like United Kingdom from Jerusalem.
___________
I believe former Jesuit Alberto Rivera had it right that Islam was crafted / designed from the Vatican early on with Khadija who lived in a convent and was a Catholic and her Catholic cousin being the vessels used to instruct Mohammad on what would later be called Islam. Although the goal was partly to kill off the Protestants and Jews in their way, the real goal was always to take Jerusalem as the headquarters for the Vatican. That is still their plan.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

It was a tremendous injustice...

Hossfly with his staunch support of the jewish South Africa is much closer to the spirit of Benito Mussolini's best buddy than Montelatici will ever be.

But the joke was funny as hell....

You couldn't be more wrong about that. The Jews had nothing in common with Hitler, Heimrich Himmler or the Grand Mufti of Islam (who were all friends one to another), Jose'. When the Grand Mufti of Islam, Amin A- Husseini arrived in Rome, Amin met with Benito Mussolini who butchered the Ethiopians in Africa. I suppose you could call it one jihadists admiration of another, Mussolini vowed to Amin Al-Husseini to help the Arab cause against the Jews. The Muslim Grand Mufti of islam, Husseini was much closer in the spirit of Benito Mussolini than Hossfly supporting the Jews of South Africa and those who have been a target of genocide by the likes of Islam and other mass murderers. Did you know that Adolf Hitler was also a good friend of the Grand Mufti of Islam? Yes, he was.

Hitler's original plan to get rid of Europe's "jewish problem" was to send them all to Madagascar or some other God-forsaken place in Africa or Asia where they could be confined, closely monitored and bombed if they tried to leave.

In other words, Nazi Germany's original plan to deal with european Jews' "pernicious influence" was the creation of a jewish ethnic enclave remarkably similar to the arab enclaves of Gaza and the WB.

The similarity is anything but fortuitous... the creation of ethnic enclaves is the standard way used by supremacist states to neutralize the influence of unwanted ethnic groups.

So I repeat, anyone who supports the state of Israel shares much more intelectual affinity with Nazi Germany than Montelatici.

Yet you have no grounds to support such a claim therefore it's meaningless.

 

[montelatici]

It was a tremendous injustice...

Hossfly with his staunch support of the jewish South Africa is much closer to the spirit of Benito Mussolini's best buddy than Montelatici will ever be.

But the joke was funny as hell....

You couldn't be more wrong about that. The Jews had nothing in common with Hitler, Heimrich Himmler or the Grand Mufti of Islam (who were all friends one to another), Jose'. When the Grand Mufti of Islam, Amin A- Husseini arrived in Rome, Amin met with Benito Mussolini who butchered the Ethiopians in Africa. I suppose you could call it one jihadists admiration of another, Mussolini vowed to Amin Al-Husseini to help the Arab cause against the Jews. The Muslim Grand Mufti of islam, Husseini was much closer in the spirit of Benito Mussolini than Hossfly supporting the Jews of South Africa and those who have been a target of genocide by the likes of Islam and other mass murderers. Did you know that Adolf Hitler was also a good friend of the Grand Mufti of Islam? Yes, he was.

Hitler's original plan to get rid of Europe's "jewish problem" was to send them all to Madagascar or some other God-forsaken place in Africa or Asia where they could be confined, closely monitored and bombed if they tried to leave.

In other words, Nazi Germany's original plan to deal with european Jews' "pernicious influence" was the creation of a jewish ethnic enclave remarkably similar to the arab enclaves of Gaza and the WB.

The similarity is anything but fortuitous... the creation of ethnic enclaves is the standard way used by supremacist states to neutralize the influence of unwanted ethnic groups.

So I repeat, anyone who supports the state of Israel shares much more intelectual affinity with Nazi Germany than Montelatici.

Yet you have no grounds to support such a claim therefore it's meaningless.

"In the summer of 1940, Nazi Germany hatched a seemingly outlandish scheme: exiling Europe’s Jewish population to the African island of Madagascar. Support for the proposal first picked up steam following a June 3 memo from the German Foreign Office, and it was nearly put into action before Allied gains in World War II made it untenable. Take a look back at the ruthless deportation plan that preceded the horrors of the Holocaust."

Remembering Nazi Germany’s Madagascar Plan - History in the Headlines

 

[montelatici]

In 1922 the word "Palestinian" meant any resident of British Mandate Palestine, Arab, Jew, Xtian, Druid, Methodist, Jedi ... what have you.

The word "Palestinian" didn't take on its current definition of Arab Only until 1967.

According to one state dept. official it was a term that came out of Baleshinka School ( a subversive technique School in Russia) where the Russians were training Arafat on the propaganda that the Arabs were the long lost people of Palestine. It was a very carefully crafted propaganda plot that has spanned decades and was rolled out in increments (from what we can see). I'd say they ripped a page out of Josef Goebbel's playbook. Tell a lie big enough, often enough and the people (some) will believe it.

Interesting fact. They were not able to hide the fact that these Arab Palestinians never had their own language, money, flag, etc. You know, the things that people who have a history in a country have? That was missing with these long lost Palestinians.

The word Palestinian was the term used for the inhabitants of the Roman province of Palaestina and an inhabitant of the province was called a
Palaestino and is present in Roman era documents. The ancestors of the current day native Muslim and Christian inhabitants spoke various languages through the centuries. Aramaic, Latin and Greek were the most common languages before the Muslim conquest. But, the Palestinians referred to themselves as the People of Palestine in communications with the British Colonial Office in the 1920s. Repeating Zionist propaganda doesn't make it true.

Oh please. Israel was like a barren wasteland before the Jews returned to it and put their hand to that soil. Then? It blooms like a rose in the middle of the desert! Just as God said it would! Read Mark Twain's account of what it looked like over there before the Jews returned to their land.
Yes. A barren wasteland. The Jews return to their homeland after their long exile had come to an end, the land is revived and comes to life and then?.......... and then suddenly Arabs are claiming they were there all along! Baloney! I can tell you now that Mark Twain's testimony is the precise opposite and I'll take his account of what it looked like.

He described a desolate country – devoid of both vegetation and human population:

“….. A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds… a silent mournful expanse…. a desolation…. we never saw a human being on the whole route…. hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.” - quote from Mark Twain Innocents Abroad

The Holy Land was hollow until the Jews returned.

Yeah right. Amazing how well the Zionist conditioning works.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

That is a Zionist myth, and it has been repeated often enough that now it is believed by the brainwashed, unfortunately. The Koran mentions the city of Jerusalem several times, most poignantly in the "flight" from Mecca to Jerusalem where in the Koran it is transliterated to Baytul Maqdis, the location where the Al Aqsa mosque was built. Now, the silliness of the claim of a flight can be questioned, but Jerusalem is mentioned.

Baytul Maqdis is not the transliterated name for Jerusalem, is it another name for the Al-Aqsa mosque. A mosque that did not exist during Mohammad's time nor when the koran was written later.

Baytul-Maqdis is itself the Al-Aqsa mosque

Link: Baitul-Maqdis is Al-Aqsa mosque

And check it out monti, my link is not from a 'Zionist' site, but from an Islamic one. And I see that further down it may refer to a greater area, however this quote from the site is interesting as well to this thread:

the Prophet

said: “Baytul-Maqdis will be conquered.”

If there was already a mosque there and/or a holy city to Islam, why would it need to be conquered?

Great question. Touche', Teddyearp. Touche'!

 

[montelatici]

At the time of the Muslim conquest, Palestine was Christian and the Muslims were at war with the Christians, that's why Palestine was conquered. Nothing to with Jews.