Who are the Israelis?

[Shusha]

... the Palestinian identity on the other side of the river is "now Jews allowed", on 78% of that land and no one seems to raise a brow.

Exactly. Where are the people crying about the loss of Jewish identity (nevermind actual Jews) in Gaza, in Judea and Samaria, in Jordan and Syria and Iraq and Iran and Tunisia and Morocco, etc, etc etc?

Who is fighting for the Jewish identity there?

We are not talking about there. we are talking about a very tiny group of people who call themselves Palestinians and their identity. Why is it so important to deny them that?

We are speaking, broadly, of how to preserve and protect identities of minority cultures in nations built around a different culture.

If you don't CARE to address how Jewish identity should be preserved in Gaza and in Judea and Samaria and in Jordan and Syria and Iran and Iraq and in Tunisia and Morocco, why should we believe that your motivation is to preserve minority cultural identities? Seems rather hypocritical of you to demand the preservation of Arab Palestinian culture while dismissing the preservation of Jewish culture in places where Jews are a minority.

I am not dismissing anything. But why is everytime Palestinian culture is brought up we can't discuss it without "what abouts"? We were talking about one particular region and it's future and that of its minority culture so you are demanding we talk about about preserving all cultures...in order to not be hypocritical. Right what about Basque culture and Inuit culture....and so forth. Why are you only concerned about Jewish culture?

I am not only concerned about Jewish culture. In fact, I'm the only one on this board who constantly brings up other cultures and other national liberation movements in an attempt to create a set of objective standards which should apply to all States.

The standard thus far in the world is that minority cultures can and do exist in States built around a different culture. There is no conflict or moral dilemma with this idea. Except when it comes to the Arab Palestinians and suddenly the rules have changed.

There is no problem having a State of India built around Hindu culture but with a minority of Muslims. There is no problem with having a State of Canada with a minority French culture. There is no problem having a British culture with an Indian population. There is no problem with having a State of Iran with a Jewish population.

So why is it a problem having a State of Israel, a State built around Jewish culture with an Arab Palestinian population?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

I have a hard time distinguishing or understanding what we mean when we say" "Arab Palestinian Culture." Unlike saying the "Jewish Culture" which has cultural practices common to all Jews around the world. If you're a Jew, you have a certain day that is recognized as "special" that is different from any other culture. I think this is the year 5779 (I could be wrong) and New Years (Rosh Hashanah) is celebrated sometime in August or September. Unlike the Arab Palestinian, the Isralies have a "Day of Atonement," (Yom Kippur); and customarily, white is the principal color for that day. The Arab has nothing like it.

I am not dismissing anything. But why is every time Palestinian culture is brought up we can't discuss it without "what about"?

(COMMENT)

There is a difference between the Jewish Culture and Arab Culture. Jewish Culture is generally tied to some Hebrew tradition, but not always. But when you say "Arab Culture" you are talking about a geographic association. To say "Arab," you are looking at the entirety of North Africa and the Middle East. When you add "Palestinian" you are talking (again) about another geographic place; albeit very small. To be Jewish is a religious-based ethnicity. While the prominent religion in the Arab World is Islam, the Islamic world is the larger entity that incorporates all of North Africa, the northern part of Sub-saharan Africa, Somalia, most of Central Asia, Albanian, Croatia, Bosnia-Hersagavenia, Serbia, Bulgaria, several of the (something)'stans (on a diagonal vector all the way to Mongolia), most of Indonesia and parts of the Philippines. And it can be argued that each of the of those (nearly) five dozen countries has a culture, something unique to each of them.

What is the basis for something culturally unique to the Palestinians other than → being the role model for Jihadists, Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Troublemakers, Adherents, Guerrillas and Asymmetric Fighter?

SEE:
• 5 Unique Things About Living in Palestine •

1. Life moves at a slower, more relaxed pace.
2. People are a lot friendlier.
3. You’ll see history being made.
4. You’ll hear the call to prayer, every one of them, every day.
5. Palestine is at a crossroads.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

Its the conflation of Arab Palestinian culture and Arab Palestinian nationalism.

 

[P F Tinmore]

After the Holocaust, the Creation of a Jewish State Was Anything but Guaranteed


Some 30 years after purchasing a used copy of The Redemption of the Unwanted: From the Liberation of the Death Camps to the Founding of Israel, by Abram Sachar—first published in 1983—Allan Arkush finally sat down to read it. He writes:

I have to say that it doesn’t contain much that I didn’t already know. Its chief merit is that it does an exceptionally good job of teaching what I consider to be a very important lesson.

Most people in the United States, I’m afraid, if they know anything at all about how the state of Israel came into being, believe that after World War II the nations of the world awarded it to the Jewish people as a compensation for what Jews had suffered at the hands of the Nazis. There’s a grain of truth in this, but only a grain. Between 1945 and 1949, the Zionists had to do a tremendous number of things on their own in order to obtain a state. They engaged in a vast amount of worldwide politicking, organized illegal immigration to Palestine, combatted the British administration in Palestine in order both to earn the world’s sympathy and to force the British government’s hand. Had the Zionists not done all of this, there would have been no decision at the United Nations to partition Palestine and create a Jewish state.

And had the Jews of Palestine then sat on their hands and waited for the UN to implement its decision, that state would never have come into being. They had to fight, on their own, a war of independence against the Arabs of Palestine as well as all of the surrounding nations. Abram Sachar was by no means the first or the last to explain all of this, but he did a singularly good job of it.


After the Holocaust, the Creation of a Jewish State Was Anything but Guaranteed

a war of independence

Independent from what?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

I have a hard time distinguishing or understanding what we mean when we say" "Arab Palestinian Culture." Unlike saying the "Jewish Culture" which has cultural practices common to all Jews around the world. If you're a Jew, you have a certain day that is recognized as "special" that is different from any other culture. I think this is the year 5779 (I could be wrong) and New Years (Rosh Hashanah) is celebrated sometime in August or September. Unlike the Arab Palestinian, the Isralies have a "Day of Atonement," (Yom Kippur); and customarily, white is the principal color for that day. The Arab has nothing like it.

I am not dismissing anything. But why is every time Palestinian culture is brought up we can't discuss it without "what about"?

(COMMENT)

There is a difference between the Jewish Culture and Arab Culture. Jewish Culture is generally tied to some Hebrew tradition, but not always. But when you say "Arab Culture" you are talking about a geographic association. To say "Arab," you are looking at the entirety of North Africa and the Middle East. When you add "Palestinian" you are talking (again) about another geographic place; albeit very small. To be Jewish is a religious-based ethnicity. While the prominent religion in the Arab World is Islam, the Islamic world is the larger entity that incorporates all of North Africa, the northern part of Sub-saharan Africa, Somalia, most of Central Asia, Albanian, Croatia, Bosnia-Hersagavenia, Serbia, Bulgaria, several of the (something)'stans (on a diagonal vector all the way to Mongolia), most of Indonesia and parts of the Philippines. And it can be argued that each of the of those (nearly) five dozen countries has a culture, something unique to each of them.

What is the basis for something culturally unique to the Palestinians other than → being the role model for Jihadists, Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Troublemakers, Adherents, Guerrillas and Asymmetric Fighter?

SEE:
• 5 Unique Things About Living in Palestine •

1. Life moves at a slower, more relaxed pace.
2. People are a lot friendlier.
3. You’ll see history being made.
4. You’ll hear the call to prayer, every one of them, every day.
5. Palestine is at a crossroads.​

Most Respectfully,
R

• 5 Unique Things About Living in Palestine •

Good article, thanks.

 

[Shusha]

Independent from what?

From everything. That's what independence means.

in·de·pend·ent
Dictionary result for independent
/ˌindəˈpendənt/
adjective
adjective: independent

1. 1.
   free from outside control; not depending on another's authority.
   "the study is totally independent of central government"
   synonyms: freethinking, individualistic, unconventional, maverick; More
   
   antonyms: constrained, orthodox
   • (of a country) self-governing.
     "India became independent in 1947"
     synonyms: self-governing, self-legislating, self-determining, sovereign, autonomous, autonomic, autarkic, free, nonaligned
     "an independent country"
     antonyms: dependent, subservient

 

[Coyote]

... the Palestinian identity on the other side of the river is "now Jews allowed", on 78% of that land and no one seems to raise a brow.

Exactly. Where are the people crying about the loss of Jewish identity (nevermind actual Jews) in Gaza, in Judea and Samaria, in Jordan and Syria and Iraq and Iran and Tunisia and Morocco, etc, etc etc?

Who is fighting for the Jewish identity there?

We are not talking about there. we are talking about a very tiny group of people who call themselves Palestinians and their identity. Why is it so important to deny them that?

We are speaking, broadly, of how to preserve and protect identities of minority cultures in nations built around a different culture.

If you don't CARE to address how Jewish identity should be preserved in Gaza and in Judea and Samaria and in Jordan and Syria and Iran and Iraq and in Tunisia and Morocco, why should we believe that your motivation is to preserve minority cultural identities? Seems rather hypocritical of you to demand the preservation of Arab Palestinian culture while dismissing the preservation of Jewish culture in places where Jews are a minority.

I am not dismissing anything. But why is everytime Palestinian culture is brought up we can't discuss it without "what abouts"? We were talking about one particular region and it's future and that of its minority culture so you are demanding we talk about about preserving all cultures...in order to not be hypocritical. Right what about Basque culture and Inuit culture....and so forth. Why are you only concerned about Jewish culture?

I am not only concerned about Jewish culture. In fact, I'm the only one on this board who constantly brings up other cultures and other national liberation movements in an attempt to create a set of objective standards which should apply to all States.

The standard thus far in the world is that minority cultures can and do exist in States built around a different culture. There is no conflict or moral dilemma with this idea. Except when it comes to the Arab Palestinians and suddenly the rules have changed.

There is no problem having a State of India built around Hindu culture but with a minority of Muslims. There is no problem with having a State of Canada with a minority French culture. There is no problem having a British culture with an Indian population. There is no problem with having a State of Iran with a Jewish population.

So why is it a problem having a State of Israel, a State built around Jewish culture with an Arab Palestinian population?

Agree. So who is saying it is a problem?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Independent from what?

From everything. That's what independence means.

in·de·pend·ent
Dictionary result for independent
/ˌindəˈpendənt/
adjective
adjective: independent

1. 1.
   free from outside control; not depending on another's authority.
   "the study is totally independent of central government"
   synonyms: freethinking, individualistic, unconventional, maverick; More
   
   antonyms: constrained, orthodox
   • (of a country) self-governing.
     "India became independent in 1947"
     synonyms: self-governing, self-legislating, self-determining, sovereign, autonomous, autonomic, autarkic, free, nonaligned
     "an independent country"
     antonyms: dependent, subservient

free from outside control; not depending on another's authority.

That was my question. Whose outside control?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Exactly. Where are the people crying about the loss of Jewish identity (nevermind actual Jews) in Gaza, in Judea and Samaria, in Jordan and Syria and Iraq and Iran and Tunisia and Morocco, etc, etc etc?

Who is fighting for the Jewish identity there?

We are not talking about there. we are talking about a very tiny group of people who call themselves Palestinians and their identity. Why is it so important to deny them that?

We are speaking, broadly, of how to preserve and protect identities of minority cultures in nations built around a different culture.

If you don't CARE to address how Jewish identity should be preserved in Gaza and in Judea and Samaria and in Jordan and Syria and Iran and Iraq and in Tunisia and Morocco, why should we believe that your motivation is to preserve minority cultural identities? Seems rather hypocritical of you to demand the preservation of Arab Palestinian culture while dismissing the preservation of Jewish culture in places where Jews are a minority.

I am not dismissing anything. But why is everytime Palestinian culture is brought up we can't discuss it without "what abouts"? We were talking about one particular region and it's future and that of its minority culture so you are demanding we talk about about preserving all cultures...in order to not be hypocritical. Right what about Basque culture and Inuit culture....and so forth. Why are you only concerned about Jewish culture?

I am not only concerned about Jewish culture. In fact, I'm the only one on this board who constantly brings up other cultures and other national liberation movements in an attempt to create a set of objective standards which should apply to all States.

The standard thus far in the world is that minority cultures can and do exist in States built around a different culture. There is no conflict or moral dilemma with this idea. Except when it comes to the Arab Palestinians and suddenly the rules have changed.

There is no problem having a State of India built around Hindu culture but with a minority of Muslims. There is no problem with having a State of Canada with a minority French culture. There is no problem having a British culture with an Indian population. There is no problem with having a State of Iran with a Jewish population.

So why is it a problem having a State of Israel, a State built around Jewish culture with an Arab Palestinian population?

Agree. So who is saying it is a problem?

It is the Arab population who got the boot.

 

[Shusha]

That was my question. Whose outside control?

Anyone who is "outside".

 

[Shusha]

Agree. So who is saying it is a problem?

It seems that you are.

 

[Mindful]

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ Coyote, Shusha, et al,

Let's back up a minute here...

To properly evaluate the impact of decisions as they develop the situation through to today, you cannot look at it in isolation. And a good set and course of action to be recommended by the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) was hampered intentionally by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) from the beginning.

So why is it a problem having a State of Israel, a State built around Jewish culture with an Arab Palestinian population?

Agree. So who is saying it is a problem?

(COMMENT)

The State of Israel, "built around Jewish culture," has an Arab Palestinian component in its population.

The problem with having a national population with a multi-ethnic component is that the components must live in harmony with one another ("live at peace with their neighbors").

The problem develops from the belligerent viewpoint maintained by the "Arab Palestinian component:" Since 1947, the Arab Palestinian people have held (A/AC.13/PV.38 4 August 1947 Meeting - UNSCOP) that:

◈ The Jewish State which the Zionists are endeavouring to establish in Palestine is not moreover a viable State either from the political or from the economic point of view.

◈ The Arab States could not, in fact, tolerate the creation of a State composed of foreign elements from so many parts, each with its own mentality, its insatiable desires, for the fulfilment of which they deliberately use violent and destructive means such as those we have mentioned.

◈ Against a State established by violence the Arab States will be obliged to use violence; that is a legitimate right of self-defence.​

Additionally, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC), on behalf and as the director of the overall Arab Palestinian interests made its position very clear to the Arab components concerned:

Not only had the Arab Higher Committee decided to boycott the work of the Special Committee, but they had issued a manifesto in the local press. He read out points from the manifesto (A/AC.13/SR.7 23 June 1947) as follows:

"(1) On the day of the commencement of the Committee's work the country goes on a complete strike including offices, business houses, cafes, entertainment places, schools, transport, etc.;

(2) All groups and individuals refrain from testifying before the Committee;

(3) All Arabs refrain from contacting the, Committee in writing and by any other means;

(4) No Arab is permitted to attend the Committee's public and secret meetings and parties. These instructions also apply to Arab pressmen;

(5) Nobody is permitted to confer officially or non-officially with the Committee members;

(6) The above-mentioned points do not mean that any individual is free to react to statements or acts by the inquiry Committee with harshness or any unsuitable behavior. All they are requested is just to keep away from the Committee with great respect, harmonizing with our traditional manners and national dignity."​

​

The "KEY" here is that from the beginning, there was no intention on the part of the AHC (representing the Arab Palestinians) to cooperate in the development of solutions and settlements. This was not an aberration in time. This very same policy was reiterated in a slightly different form in the Khartoum Resolutions; September 1, 1967, in the announcement of The Three NO's:

◈ No peace with Israel,
◈ No recognition of Israel,
◈ No negotiations,​

AND, this was further reiterated in the Covenant and Charter of the Arab Palestinian between 1968 and 1988, and again in the Policy Statement of 2012.

(EPILOG)

It is not the case that the Arab Palestinians are shunned in terms of the One-State in which both components live together → no not at all. The Arab Palestinians are shunned today (as would any ethnic group would be) because of they pose an actual long-term threat (not peaceful coexistence) to the Jewish National Home.

• "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. Thus it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase."•
.................................................................................Palestinian National Charter, July 1968

• "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors." •
.................................................................................HAMAS Covenant, 18 August 1988

"Willingness for a Palestinian state to be established within temporary borders (1967 lines) as a step toward continuing the armed struggle to destroy Israel – “from the river to the sea.”

• One of the main points of Hamas’ new political document, 1 MAY 2017 •

• "Palestinian Arab Official Admits “Killing Israelis is not Terror, it’s Legitimate” •
.................................................................................By Avi Abelow September 24, 2018

• "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine," •
.................................................................................MEMRI TV Clip #6889 2 December 2018​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

We are not talking about there. we are talking about a very tiny group of people who call themselves Palestinians and their identity. Why is it so important to deny them that?

We are speaking, broadly, of how to preserve and protect identities of minority cultures in nations built around a different culture.

If you don't CARE to address how Jewish identity should be preserved in Gaza and in Judea and Samaria and in Jordan and Syria and Iran and Iraq and in Tunisia and Morocco, why should we believe that your motivation is to preserve minority cultural identities? Seems rather hypocritical of you to demand the preservation of Arab Palestinian culture while dismissing the preservation of Jewish culture in places where Jews are a minority.

I am not dismissing anything. But why is everytime Palestinian culture is brought up we can't discuss it without "what abouts"? We were talking about one particular region and it's future and that of its minority culture so you are demanding we talk about about preserving all cultures...in order to not be hypocritical. Right what about Basque culture and Inuit culture....and so forth. Why are you only concerned about Jewish culture?

I am not only concerned about Jewish culture. In fact, I'm the only one on this board who constantly brings up other cultures and other national liberation movements in an attempt to create a set of objective standards which should apply to all States.

The standard thus far in the world is that minority cultures can and do exist in States built around a different culture. There is no conflict or moral dilemma with this idea. Except when it comes to the Arab Palestinians and suddenly the rules have changed.

There is no problem having a State of India built around Hindu culture but with a minority of Muslims. There is no problem with having a State of Canada with a minority French culture. There is no problem having a British culture with an Indian population. There is no problem with having a State of Iran with a Jewish population.

So why is it a problem having a State of Israel, a State built around Jewish culture with an Arab Palestinian population?

Agree. So who is saying it is a problem?

It is the Arab population who got the boot.

Quiet the opposite, more Jews were displaced as a result of the conflict,
and Arabs gained most of the land and property.

 

[rylah]

Independent from what?

From everything. That's what independence means.

in·de·pend·ent
Dictionary result for independent
/ˌindəˈpendənt/
adjective
adjective: independent

1. 1.
   free from outside control; not depending on another's authority.
   "the study is totally independent of central government"
   synonyms: freethinking, individualistic, unconventional, maverick; More
   
   antonyms: constrained, orthodox
   • (of a country) self-governing.
     "India became independent in 1947"
     synonyms: self-governing, self-legislating, self-determining, sovereign, autonomous, autonomic, autarkic, free, nonaligned
     "an independent country"
     antonyms: dependent, subservient

free from outside control; not depending on another's authority.

That was my question. Whose outside control?

First it was against the Ottoman Caliphate.
Then against the Arab Caliphate and the Brits.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ Coyote, Shusha, et al,

Let's back up a minute here...

To properly evaluate the impact of decisions as they develop the situation through to today, you cannot look at it in isolation. And a good set and course of action to be recommended by the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) was hampered intentionally by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) from the beginning.

So why is it a problem having a State of Israel, a State built around Jewish culture with an Arab Palestinian population?

Agree. So who is saying it is a problem?

(COMMENT)

The State of Israel, "built around Jewish culture," has an Arab Palestinian component in its population.

The problem with having a national population with a multi-ethnic component is that the components must live in harmony with one another ("live at peace with their neighbors").

The problem develops from the belligerent viewpoint maintained by the "Arab Palestinian component:" Since 1947, the Arab Palestinian people have held (A/AC.13/PV.38 4 August 1947 Meeting - UNSCOP) that:

◈ The Jewish State which the Zionists are endeavouring to establish in Palestine is not moreover a viable State either from the political or from the economic point of view.

◈ The Arab States could not, in fact, tolerate the creation of a State composed of foreign elements from so many parts, each with its own mentality, its insatiable desires, for the fulfilment of which they deliberately use violent and destructive means such as those we have mentioned.

◈ Against a State established by violence the Arab States will be obliged to use violence; that is a legitimate right of self-defence.​

Additionally, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC), on behalf and as the director of the overall Arab Palestinian interests made its position very clear to the Arab components concerned:

Not only had the Arab Higher Committee decided to boycott the work of the Special Committee, but they had issued a manifesto in the local press. He read out points from the manifesto (A/AC.13/SR.7 23 June 1947) as follows:

"(1) On the day of the commencement of the Committee's work the country goes on a complete strike including offices, business houses, cafes, entertainment places, schools, transport, etc.;

(2) All groups and individuals refrain from testifying before the Committee;

(3) All Arabs refrain from contacting the, Committee in writing and by any other means;

(4) No Arab is permitted to attend the Committee's public and secret meetings and parties. These instructions also apply to Arab pressmen;

(5) Nobody is permitted to confer officially or non-officially with the Committee members;

(6) The above-mentioned points do not mean that any individual is free to react to statements or acts by the inquiry Committee with harshness or any unsuitable behavior. All they are requested is just to keep away from the Committee with great respect, harmonizing with our traditional manners and national dignity."​

​

The "KEY" here is that from the beginning, there was no intention on the part of the AHC (representing the Arab Palestinians) to cooperate in the development of solutions and settlements. This was not an aberration in time. This very same policy was reiterated in a slightly different form in the Khartoum Resolutions; September 1, 1967, in the announcement of The Three NO's:

◈ No peace with Israel,
◈ No recognition of Israel,
◈ No negotiations,​

AND, this was further reiterated in the Covenant and Charter of the Arab Palestinian between 1968 and 1988, and again in the Policy Statement of 2012.

(EPILOG)

It is not the case that the Arab Palestinians are shunned in terms of the One-State in which both components live together → no not at all. The Arab Palestinians are shunned today (as would any ethnic group would be) because of they pose an actual long-term threat (not peaceful coexistence) to the Jewish National Home.

• "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. Thus it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase."•
.................................................................................Palestinian National Charter, July 1968

• "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors." •
.................................................................................HAMAS Covenant, 18 August 1988

"Willingness for a Palestinian state to be established within temporary borders (1967 lines) as a step toward continuing the armed struggle to destroy Israel – “from the river to the sea.”

• One of the main points of Hamas’ new political document, 1 MAY 2017 •

• "Palestinian Arab Official Admits “Killing Israelis is not Terror, it’s Legitimate” •
.................................................................................By Avi Abelow September 24, 2018

• "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine," •
.................................................................................MEMRI TV Clip #6889 2 December 2018​

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ The Jewish State which the Zionists are endeavouring to establish in Palestine

Indeed, the root of the problem.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ Coyote, Shusha, et al,

Let's back up a minute here...

To properly evaluate the impact of decisions as they develop the situation through to today, you cannot look at it in isolation. And a good set and course of action to be recommended by the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) was hampered intentionally by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) from the beginning.

So why is it a problem having a State of Israel, a State built around Jewish culture with an Arab Palestinian population?

Agree. So who is saying it is a problem?

(COMMENT)

The State of Israel, "built around Jewish culture," has an Arab Palestinian component in its population.

The problem with having a national population with a multi-ethnic component is that the components must live in harmony with one another ("live at peace with their neighbors").

The problem develops from the belligerent viewpoint maintained by the "Arab Palestinian component:" Since 1947, the Arab Palestinian people have held (A/AC.13/PV.38 4 August 1947 Meeting - UNSCOP) that:

◈ The Jewish State which the Zionists are endeavouring to establish in Palestine is not moreover a viable State either from the political or from the economic point of view.

◈ The Arab States could not, in fact, tolerate the creation of a State composed of foreign elements from so many parts, each with its own mentality, its insatiable desires, for the fulfilment of which they deliberately use violent and destructive means such as those we have mentioned.

◈ Against a State established by violence the Arab States will be obliged to use violence; that is a legitimate right of self-defence.​

Additionally, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC), on behalf and as the director of the overall Arab Palestinian interests made its position very clear to the Arab components concerned:

Not only had the Arab Higher Committee decided to boycott the work of the Special Committee, but they had issued a manifesto in the local press. He read out points from the manifesto (A/AC.13/SR.7 23 June 1947) as follows:

"(1) On the day of the commencement of the Committee's work the country goes on a complete strike including offices, business houses, cafes, entertainment places, schools, transport, etc.;

(2) All groups and individuals refrain from testifying before the Committee;

(3) All Arabs refrain from contacting the, Committee in writing and by any other means;

(4) No Arab is permitted to attend the Committee's public and secret meetings and parties. These instructions also apply to Arab pressmen;

(5) Nobody is permitted to confer officially or non-officially with the Committee members;

(6) The above-mentioned points do not mean that any individual is free to react to statements or acts by the inquiry Committee with harshness or any unsuitable behavior. All they are requested is just to keep away from the Committee with great respect, harmonizing with our traditional manners and national dignity."​

​

The "KEY" here is that from the beginning, there was no intention on the part of the AHC (representing the Arab Palestinians) to cooperate in the development of solutions and settlements. This was not an aberration in time. This very same policy was reiterated in a slightly different form in the Khartoum Resolutions; September 1, 1967, in the announcement of The Three NO's:

◈ No peace with Israel,
◈ No recognition of Israel,
◈ No negotiations,​

AND, this was further reiterated in the Covenant and Charter of the Arab Palestinian between 1968 and 1988, and again in the Policy Statement of 2012.

(EPILOG)

It is not the case that the Arab Palestinians are shunned in terms of the One-State in which both components live together → no not at all. The Arab Palestinians are shunned today (as would any ethnic group would be) because of they pose an actual long-term threat (not peaceful coexistence) to the Jewish National Home.

• "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. Thus it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase."•
.................................................................................Palestinian National Charter, July 1968

• "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors." •
.................................................................................HAMAS Covenant, 18 August 1988

"Willingness for a Palestinian state to be established within temporary borders (1967 lines) as a step toward continuing the armed struggle to destroy Israel – “from the river to the sea.”

• One of the main points of Hamas’ new political document, 1 MAY 2017 •

• "Palestinian Arab Official Admits “Killing Israelis is not Terror, it’s Legitimate” •
.................................................................................By Avi Abelow September 24, 2018

• "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine," •
.................................................................................MEMRI TV Clip #6889 2 December 2018​

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ The Jewish State which the Zionists are endeavouring to establish in Palestine

Indeed, the root of the problem.

Indeed, the Jewish National Home was reestablished in accordance with the intent of the Mandate. Indeed, that was an affront to the Arab-Moslem settler colonial project.

 

[USAF 2023]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ Coyote, Shusha, et al,

Let's back up a minute here...

To properly evaluate the impact of decisions as they develop the situation through to today, you cannot look at it in isolation. And a good set and course of action to be recommended by the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) was hampered intentionally by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) from the beginning.

So why is it a problem having a State of Israel, a State built around Jewish culture with an Arab Palestinian population?

Agree. So who is saying it is a problem?

(COMMENT)

The State of Israel, "built around Jewish culture," has an Arab Palestinian component in its population.

The problem with having a national population with a multi-ethnic component is that the components must live in harmony with one another ("live at peace with their neighbors").

The problem develops from the belligerent viewpoint maintained by the "Arab Palestinian component:" Since 1947, the Arab Palestinian people have held (A/AC.13/PV.38 4 August 1947 Meeting - UNSCOP) that:

◈ The Jewish State which the Zionists are endeavouring to establish in Palestine is not moreover a viable State either from the political or from the economic point of view.

◈ The Arab States could not, in fact, tolerate the creation of a State composed of foreign elements from so many parts, each with its own mentality, its insatiable desires, for the fulfilment of which they deliberately use violent and destructive means such as those we have mentioned.

◈ Against a State established by violence the Arab States will be obliged to use violence; that is a legitimate right of self-defence.​

Additionally, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC), on behalf and as the director of the overall Arab Palestinian interests made its position very clear to the Arab components concerned:

Not only had the Arab Higher Committee decided to boycott the work of the Special Committee, but they had issued a manifesto in the local press. He read out points from the manifesto (A/AC.13/SR.7 23 June 1947) as follows:

"(1) On the day of the commencement of the Committee's work the country goes on a complete strike including offices, business houses, cafes, entertainment places, schools, transport, etc.;

(2) All groups and individuals refrain from testifying before the Committee;

(3) All Arabs refrain from contacting the, Committee in writing and by any other means;

(4) No Arab is permitted to attend the Committee's public and secret meetings and parties. These instructions also apply to Arab pressmen;

(5) Nobody is permitted to confer officially or non-officially with the Committee members;

(6) The above-mentioned points do not mean that any individual is free to react to statements or acts by the inquiry Committee with harshness or any unsuitable behavior. All they are requested is just to keep away from the Committee with great respect, harmonizing with our traditional manners and national dignity."​

​

The "KEY" here is that from the beginning, there was no intention on the part of the AHC (representing the Arab Palestinians) to cooperate in the development of solutions and settlements. This was not an aberration in time. This very same policy was reiterated in a slightly different form in the Khartoum Resolutions; September 1, 1967, in the announcement of The Three NO's:

◈ No peace with Israel,
◈ No recognition of Israel,
◈ No negotiations,​

AND, this was further reiterated in the Covenant and Charter of the Arab Palestinian between 1968 and 1988, and again in the Policy Statement of 2012.

(EPILOG)

It is not the case that the Arab Palestinians are shunned in terms of the One-State in which both components live together → no not at all. The Arab Palestinians are shunned today (as would any ethnic group would be) because of they pose an actual long-term threat (not peaceful coexistence) to the Jewish National Home.

• "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. Thus it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase."•
.................................................................................Palestinian National Charter, July 1968

• "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors." •
.................................................................................HAMAS Covenant, 18 August 1988

"Willingness for a Palestinian state to be established within temporary borders (1967 lines) as a step toward continuing the armed struggle to destroy Israel – “from the river to the sea.”

• One of the main points of Hamas’ new political document, 1 MAY 2017 •

• "Palestinian Arab Official Admits “Killing Israelis is not Terror, it’s Legitimate” •
.................................................................................By Avi Abelow September 24, 2018

• "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine," •
.................................................................................MEMRI TV Clip #6889 2 December 2018​

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ The Jewish State which the Zionists are endeavouring to establish in Palestine

Indeed, the root of the problem.

Indeed, the Jewish National Home was reestablished in accordance with the intent of the Mandate. Indeed, that was an affront to the Arab-Moslem settler colonial project.

Haven’t you read Timnore’s posts in which he states there is no LAW that mandated a Jewish State?
At least he stopped showing that ridiculous You Tube Video in which Hasidic Jews are claiming Israel has no Right to Exist.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ Coyote, Shusha, et al,

Let's back up a minute here...

To properly evaluate the impact of decisions as they develop the situation through to today, you cannot look at it in isolation. And a good set and course of action to be recommended by the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) was hampered intentionally by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) from the beginning.

So why is it a problem having a State of Israel, a State built around Jewish culture with an Arab Palestinian population?

Agree. So who is saying it is a problem?

(COMMENT)

The State of Israel, "built around Jewish culture," has an Arab Palestinian component in its population.

The problem with having a national population with a multi-ethnic component is that the components must live in harmony with one another ("live at peace with their neighbors").

The problem develops from the belligerent viewpoint maintained by the "Arab Palestinian component:" Since 1947, the Arab Palestinian people have held (A/AC.13/PV.38 4 August 1947 Meeting - UNSCOP) that:

◈ The Jewish State which the Zionists are endeavouring to establish in Palestine is not moreover a viable State either from the political or from the economic point of view.

◈ The Arab States could not, in fact, tolerate the creation of a State composed of foreign elements from so many parts, each with its own mentality, its insatiable desires, for the fulfilment of which they deliberately use violent and destructive means such as those we have mentioned.

◈ Against a State established by violence the Arab States will be obliged to use violence; that is a legitimate right of self-defence.​

Additionally, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC), on behalf and as the director of the overall Arab Palestinian interests made its position very clear to the Arab components concerned:

Not only had the Arab Higher Committee decided to boycott the work of the Special Committee, but they had issued a manifesto in the local press. He read out points from the manifesto (A/AC.13/SR.7 23 June 1947) as follows:

"(1) On the day of the commencement of the Committee's work the country goes on a complete strike including offices, business houses, cafes, entertainment places, schools, transport, etc.;

(2) All groups and individuals refrain from testifying before the Committee;

(3) All Arabs refrain from contacting the, Committee in writing and by any other means;

(4) No Arab is permitted to attend the Committee's public and secret meetings and parties. These instructions also apply to Arab pressmen;

(5) Nobody is permitted to confer officially or non-officially with the Committee members;

(6) The above-mentioned points do not mean that any individual is free to react to statements or acts by the inquiry Committee with harshness or any unsuitable behavior. All they are requested is just to keep away from the Committee with great respect, harmonizing with our traditional manners and national dignity."​

​

The "KEY" here is that from the beginning, there was no intention on the part of the AHC (representing the Arab Palestinians) to cooperate in the development of solutions and settlements. This was not an aberration in time. This very same policy was reiterated in a slightly different form in the Khartoum Resolutions; September 1, 1967, in the announcement of The Three NO's:

◈ No peace with Israel,
◈ No recognition of Israel,
◈ No negotiations,​

AND, this was further reiterated in the Covenant and Charter of the Arab Palestinian between 1968 and 1988, and again in the Policy Statement of 2012.

(EPILOG)

It is not the case that the Arab Palestinians are shunned in terms of the One-State in which both components live together → no not at all. The Arab Palestinians are shunned today (as would any ethnic group would be) because of they pose an actual long-term threat (not peaceful coexistence) to the Jewish National Home.

• "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. Thus it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase."•
.................................................................................Palestinian National Charter, July 1968

• "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors." •
.................................................................................HAMAS Covenant, 18 August 1988

"Willingness for a Palestinian state to be established within temporary borders (1967 lines) as a step toward continuing the armed struggle to destroy Israel – “from the river to the sea.”

• One of the main points of Hamas’ new political document, 1 MAY 2017 •

• "Palestinian Arab Official Admits “Killing Israelis is not Terror, it’s Legitimate” •
.................................................................................By Avi Abelow September 24, 2018

• "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine," •
.................................................................................MEMRI TV Clip #6889 2 December 2018​

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ The Jewish State which the Zionists are endeavouring to establish in Palestine

Indeed, the root of the problem.

Indeed, the Jewish National Home was reestablished in accordance with the intent of the Mandate. Indeed, that was an affront to the Arab-Moslem settler colonial project.

The so called mandate was a foreign military occupation.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ Coyote, Shusha, et al,

Let's back up a minute here...

To properly evaluate the impact of decisions as they develop the situation through to today, you cannot look at it in isolation. And a good set and course of action to be recommended by the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) was hampered intentionally by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) from the beginning.

So why is it a problem having a State of Israel, a State built around Jewish culture with an Arab Palestinian population?

Agree. So who is saying it is a problem?

(COMMENT)

The State of Israel, "built around Jewish culture," has an Arab Palestinian component in its population.

The problem with having a national population with a multi-ethnic component is that the components must live in harmony with one another ("live at peace with their neighbors").

The problem develops from the belligerent viewpoint maintained by the "Arab Palestinian component:" Since 1947, the Arab Palestinian people have held (A/AC.13/PV.38 4 August 1947 Meeting - UNSCOP) that:

◈ The Jewish State which the Zionists are endeavouring to establish in Palestine is not moreover a viable State either from the political or from the economic point of view.

◈ The Arab States could not, in fact, tolerate the creation of a State composed of foreign elements from so many parts, each with its own mentality, its insatiable desires, for the fulfilment of which they deliberately use violent and destructive means such as those we have mentioned.

◈ Against a State established by violence the Arab States will be obliged to use violence; that is a legitimate right of self-defence.​

Additionally, the Arab Higher Committee (AHC), on behalf and as the director of the overall Arab Palestinian interests made its position very clear to the Arab components concerned:

Not only had the Arab Higher Committee decided to boycott the work of the Special Committee, but they had issued a manifesto in the local press. He read out points from the manifesto (A/AC.13/SR.7 23 June 1947) as follows:

"(1) On the day of the commencement of the Committee's work the country goes on a complete strike including offices, business houses, cafes, entertainment places, schools, transport, etc.;

(2) All groups and individuals refrain from testifying before the Committee;

(3) All Arabs refrain from contacting the, Committee in writing and by any other means;

(4) No Arab is permitted to attend the Committee's public and secret meetings and parties. These instructions also apply to Arab pressmen;

(5) Nobody is permitted to confer officially or non-officially with the Committee members;

(6) The above-mentioned points do not mean that any individual is free to react to statements or acts by the inquiry Committee with harshness or any unsuitable behavior. All they are requested is just to keep away from the Committee with great respect, harmonizing with our traditional manners and national dignity."​

​

The "KEY" here is that from the beginning, there was no intention on the part of the AHC (representing the Arab Palestinians) to cooperate in the development of solutions and settlements. This was not an aberration in time. This very same policy was reiterated in a slightly different form in the Khartoum Resolutions; September 1, 1967, in the announcement of The Three NO's:

◈ No peace with Israel,
◈ No recognition of Israel,
◈ No negotiations,​

AND, this was further reiterated in the Covenant and Charter of the Arab Palestinian between 1968 and 1988, and again in the Policy Statement of 2012.

(EPILOG)

It is not the case that the Arab Palestinians are shunned in terms of the One-State in which both components live together → no not at all. The Arab Palestinians are shunned today (as would any ethnic group would be) because of they pose an actual long-term threat (not peaceful coexistence) to the Jewish National Home.

• "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. Thus it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase."•
.................................................................................Palestinian National Charter, July 1968

• "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors." •
.................................................................................HAMAS Covenant, 18 August 1988

"Willingness for a Palestinian state to be established within temporary borders (1967 lines) as a step toward continuing the armed struggle to destroy Israel – “from the river to the sea.”

• One of the main points of Hamas’ new political document, 1 MAY 2017 •

• "Palestinian Arab Official Admits “Killing Israelis is not Terror, it’s Legitimate” •
.................................................................................By Avi Abelow September 24, 2018

• "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine," •
.................................................................................MEMRI TV Clip #6889 2 December 2018​

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ The Jewish State which the Zionists are endeavouring to establish in Palestine

Indeed, the root of the problem.

Indeed, the Jewish National Home was reestablished in accordance with the intent of the Mandate. Indeed, that was an affront to the Arab-Moslem settler colonial project.

The so called mandate was a foreign military occupation.

Your conspiracy theories are a hoot.