Who are the Israelis?

[gipper]

Name one war in the Middle East which doesn't involve an Arab state.

How many Arab states are currently at war with each other?

Lol. What nation these past 100 years has caused more war than the US? Thinking Arabs are warlike merely exposes your ignorance and bigotry. Israel has committed many military operations resulting in mass murder of Palestinians and Lebanese.

 

[rylah]

Lol. What nation these past 100 years has caused more war than the US? Thinking Arabs are warlike merely exposes your ignorance and bigotry. Israel has committed many military operations resulting in mass murder of Palestinians and Lebanese.

The US is a newborn compared to 1,400 years of Arab imperialism,

that said, till this very day Arabs have yet to abolish slavery.

Modern Slavery In The Arab World - WALK FREE​

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[rylah]

1000 years revenge of the Jewish tribe in Khaybar against Muslim invaders​

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[rylah]

Combating - Arab Imperialism

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[rylah]

The Two State Solution is DEAD​

Will there be war in Judea and Samaria? Yishai Fleisher joins ILTV anchor Lidar Gravé-Lazi to discuss the uptick in terrorism occurring in the so-called "West Bank" and propose potential solutions.

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How the Left lost the Israeli voter

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[Sherlock Holmes]

There are too many erroneous statements in this latest post of yours, I'll address some of the most obvious.

Show me how that relates to "exclusive homeland." In the sentence you quoted it has to do with self-determination.

A nation Jews call a homeland where Jews also claim the exclusive right for self determination is by definition an exclusive homeland.

There's that sneaky intellectual dishonesty of yours poking his head up again. The post was about "Palestinians" and you are trying to replace that term with "Canaanite" but they aren't the same. Canaanites existed. Palestinians didn't. And remember, since the same genetic statistic holds true for Jews, the Jews were therefore there at the same time.

You seem to struggling to make a meaningful counter argument here. This is very simple the ancestors of the Palestinians (Canaanites) dwelled in the Levant before the ancestors of the Jews (Hebrews) dwelled in the Levant.

So you have 2 quotes. One about Donald Trump and the other about how the Arabs should not be given a state now that they have demonstrated their intent to invade Israel. Such a recognition of another Arab state would be a reward for murder and kidnapping. But I guess you want the guarantee of a state so that it can continue to invade (as has been promised by Arab leaders). And you figure that "From water to water, Palestine will will be Muslim" means that Jews will be welcome. Brilliant. Meanwhile, this has to be cited as a recent statement because, historically it doesn't represent the position of Zionists, and remember what you wrote, "But the Zionists refuse to acknowledge any such right". But they do, or at least did until the Gazans invaded.

The first was not about Donald Trump, it was about what Donald Trump said - do you understand the difference?

How you come to that conclusion is a mystery.

Not to someone who does serious impartial research. Zionism early on, recognized that antisemitism had political utility, they valued antisemitism. This is a matter of historic fact see here for a snippet of the supporting material.

What a bizarre contention, that Israel NEEDS violence. Maybe you didn't go through all the offers for a second state made by Israel and rejected by the ARABS. Israel doesn't want violence. The Arabs are the ones who send in suicide bombers and fire rockets into civilian neighborhoods and who promise thousands more invasions.

The Israelis were well aware of the attack planned by Hamas yet did not act. The only rational reason is that an attack was desired (but not on the scale it actually was) for it's political utility - the destruction of Gaza and the destruction/expulsion of its population. There's a history of this too, cruel provocation, then violent reactions to that followed by disproportional response with part of that response being the theft of more land. This is most visible in the West Bank right now but Gaza too is being prepared for exploitation, just read Jared Kushner's public statements on this a few years back.

Yes, how dare Israel defend itself!

Another Zionist canard. No serious researcher or historian describes the Nakba as being "self defense" by Israel. The Germans used that to justify their seizure of territory and persecution of Jews, these (they argued) were unavoidable consequences of Germany defending itself from Bolshevism and Jewish Banking conspiracies. We never believed the Nazis and we should never believe the Zionists.

It is a good thing that Israel embraces neither the idea of "Jew exclusivity" nor "Jew supremacy."

If you choose to interpret the Basic Laws as being egalitarian that's your choice, but people like me who live in the real world can read it for ourselves. Noam Chomsky (A Jew) has described Zionist Israel as a Jew supremacist society. It isn't just the Basic Law either, it is the sum total of many practices that go on in Israel. I encourage anyone reading this to search the web for "Jew Supremacy" here's the kind of response you'll get to such a search:

Have you started that thread about Saudi Arabia and its basic laws? What about England with its state religion, or any Muslim country which requires that all non-Muslims pay a tax, or are limited in their jobs. I can make you a nifty list of these if you want so you can lodge all the appropriate protests.

How does Saudi Arabia's barbarity have any bearing on Israeli barbarity? I'm interested so do explain.

You mean like in all the other Arab countries which drove out their Jews? Meanwhile, Israel has a democratic government, 20% of its population is Arab and, as citizens, they have the same rights, can run for government positions etc. One area of difference is that they are not required to be drafted by the army. Beyond that, they are equal citizens. and they live in peace with Jews.

Yes, this too is an oft repeated lie. There are truckloads of evidence about Palestinian Israeli citizens NOT enjoying the same rights at all, again any open minded person reading this can easily research this.

You mean by accepting the idea of a another Arab state all those times? Yeah, that's sneaky -- lulling the Arabs into a false sense of security by giving in to them.

You're speaking with fork tongue. The record shows that Israel mass murders Palestinians (almost 40,000 in 9 months), destroys their houses, steals their land, denies them the right to self determination, kidnaps them (they call it "administrative detention", the Gestapo called it "protective custody").

Zionists like you do impress me though, the ease with which "black" can be called "white", "evil" can be called "good", "genocide" can be called "self defense" and "lies" can be called "truth'. That takes considerable intellectual skill, I have to hand it to you.

 

[rylah]

Who are the people making 'Aliyah this summer?

Ahead of Shavuot: 602 Ruths and Naomis make aliyah in the past decade

The Aliyah and Integration Ministry reported that in the last decade, 602 women named Ruth and Naomi have made aliyah to Israel, reflecting cultural and historical connections.

www.jpost.com

Despite conflict, scores of Jews move to Israel

Despite the ongoing war and lack of safety, a new wave of Jews from the US and France choose to make aliyah, demonstrating an unwavering commitment to the State of Israel.

www.jpost.com

Why Do You Want To Make Aliyah?

New immigrants to Israel find solace, strength in community during wartime

As the war rages on, the efforts of Shishi Shabbat Yisraeli demonstrate the power of community in helping new immigrants find their place and purpose in Israel.

www.jpost.com

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Name one war in the Middle East which doesn't involve an Arab state.

Name one war in Europe that doesn't involve a European state.

It is not by Arab design that Israel is surrounded by Arab states but by British. Israel was manufactured by the colonial powers by carving out territory from the former Ottoman empire and enabling a militant nationalist Zionism to setup a Jew supremacist government, how can anyone seriously be astonished that that state is now surrounded by hostile neighbors???

How many Arab states are currently at war with each other?

Name me one current Arab war in which the United States is not involved.

 

[rylah]

Name one war in Europe that doesn't involve a European state.

It is not by Arab design that Israel is surrounded by Arab states but by British. Israel was manufactured by the colonial powers by carving out territory from the former Ottoman empire and enabling a militant nationalist Zionism to setup a Jew supremacist government, how can anyone seriously be astonished that that state is now surrounded by hostile neighbors???

Name me one current Arab war in which the United States is not involved.

False analogy.

Were it the British that forced the Arab invaders
to wipe out entire civilizations all over the Middle East and N. Africa?

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[Sherlock Holmes]

False analogy.

Were it the British that forced the Arab invaders
to wipe out entire civilizations all over the Middle East and N. Africa?

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The Arabs conquered far less territory that than the British did. I also don't see the problem here the Arabs brought an immense good and value to the world over the centuries and under the Ottomans, Orthodox Jews were safer than they are in Israel today.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Israeli police attack Gaza solidarity protesters in Haifa​

This is worth seeing, note how this news will likely not appear on US TV news, if it does please let me know.

 

[rylah]

The Arabs conquered far less territory that than the British did. I also don't see the problem here the Arabs brought an immense good and value to the world over the centuries and under the Ottomans, Orthodox Jews were safer than they are in Israel today.

So you pretend to oppose imperialism
only when done by non-Muslims?

I don't think there's much value
in malaria, swamps and
drinking camel urine...

Do you?

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[Sherlock Holmes]

So you pretend to oppose imperialism
only when done by non-Muslims?

I don't think there's much value
in malaria, swamps and
drinking camel urine...

Do you?

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You're making up demons to attack, inventing make believe enemies, swiping at phantoms. Where have I expressed support for imperialism of any kind? show me the post where you think I did that.

Perhaps you're trying to imply that the hostility toward Israel from its neighbors is evidence of "Arab imperialism" well it isn't.

Israel was created by the imperialist British, it was then rapidly populated by Jewish migrants from Europe and its terrorist forces - Haganah (craftily renamed to the IDF) - ethnically cleansed 750,000 of the people already living there, from their homes and took over their land, creating a huge refugee problem in the process, the repercussions of which are still clearly visible today.

So the hostility is completely unsurprising, totally foreseeable and understandable. You want to blame others, but it's the British and militant Zionism that are by far, mostly to blame for the current situation. This situation DID NOT EXIST UNTIL ISRAEL was manufactured and forcibly installed into the region which was in 1948, a process that began some thirty years previously.

 

[rylah]

You're making up demons to attack, inventing make believe enemies, swiping at phantoms. Where have I expressed support for imperialism of any kind? show me the post where you think I did that.

Perhaps you're trying to imply that the hostility toward Israel from its neighbors is evidence of "imperialism" well it isn't.

Israel was created by the imperialist British, it was then populated by migrants from Europe and its terrorist forces ethnically cleansed 750,000 of the people already living there, from their homes and took over their land.

So the hostility is unsurprising, totally foreseeable and understandable.

Do you support exclusive Arab domination over the Levant,
including the entire Middle East and North Africa?

Because Israel is the only non-Arab
nation state preventing that.

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[Sherlock Holmes]

Do you support exclusive Arab domination over the Levant,
including the entire Middle East and North Africa?

Because Israel is the only non-Arab
nation state preventing that.

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That depends on 1) what you mean by "Arab" (Jews are genetically close to Arabs), 2) "domination". White Christians "dominate" Europe and Blacks "dominate" Africa so in that sense I see absolutely no problem with Arabs "dominating" the Levant.

But Israel was an Arab state by population when it was created in 1948 and until it was ethnically cleansed of 750,000 Arabs by the militant Zionists who went on later to seize even more territory populated by Arabs and persecute them too.

Most of the Jews who already lived in the Levant, prior to militant Zionism and the accompanying mass immigration of European Jews, lived in peace with their Arab nations, they were content to continue that, they did not want a Zionist state to be created at all.

 

[rosends]

A nation Jews call a homeland where Jews also claim the exclusive right for self determination is by definition an exclusive homeland.

Untrue. A homeland refers to past history. Self determination is about future existence. That you don't understand this is sad.

You seem to struggling to make a meaningful counter argument here. This is very simple the ancestors of the Palestinians (Canaanites) dwelled in the Levant before the ancestors of the Jews (Hebrews) dwelled in the Levant.

Wow -- you are really unclear on this. I'm not sure how to make this any simpler. Your claim that Palestinians=Canaanites is based on the study which said that Jews have the same DNA breakdown. That means that when Canaanites were there, this led to both "Palestinians" and Jews at the same time, not before. If this is too subtle an argument, maybe find someone smarter who can explain it to you.

The first was not about Donald Trump, it was about what Donald Trump said - do you understand the difference?

Yes -- a politician's statements don't always reflect what he truly feels. That makes your quote even less persuasive. Do you understand that? All you did was eliminate one person (out of the 2 you cited) from your unsupported blanket statement about "Zionists."

Not to someone who does serious impartial research. Zionism early on, recognized that antisemitism had political utility, they valued antisemitism. This is a matter of historic fact see here for a snippet of the supporting material.

They didn't value anti-semitism. One person believed that the existence of anti-semitism should be a lightning rod to galvanize support in the Jewish community. Clearly, this is another argument that you don't understand. Maybe it would be easier if we started with a list of things you DO understand as I suspect that that list will be markedly shorter.

The Israelis were well aware of the attack planned by Hamas yet did not act. The only rational reason is that an attack was desired (but not on the scale it actually was) for it's political utility - the destruction of Gaza and the destruction/expulsion of its population. There's a history of this too, cruel provocation, then violent reactions to that followed by disproportional response with part of that response being the theft of more land. This is most visible in the West Bank right now but Gaza too is being prepared for exploitation, just read Jared Kushner's public statements on this a few years back.

Israel was aware of the threat but didn't think it would happen. The Israeli political machine made the mistake of forgetting that the Arabs, even when they seem peaceful, are still driven by the belief that Israel should not exist and are willing to kill innocents and themselves towards that end. Remember, Israel unilaterally left Gaza in 2005. If anyone wanted to destroy Gaza and drive out the inhabitants, why would it hand over Gaza and displace its own population to do so? And if they wanted to do such now, why not just carpet bomb? Why create corridors to move people out of harm's way? Why drop leaflets and warn people? Why send in humanitarian aid (which had been going in DAILY and substantially before Oct 7). Why send soldiers in on foot to empty terrorist cells bit by bit? Because the goal is not to do all the things you think Israel is doing. You just are too blind and willfully ignorant to get that.

Another Zionist canard. No serious researcher or historian describes the Nakba as being "self defense" by Israel.

So Israel was attacked in 1948 and defending itself isn't allowed? LOL. https://www.jstor.org/stable/26801117

The Germans used that to justify their seizure of territory and persecution of Jews, these (they argued) were unavoidable consequences of Germany defending itself from Bolshevism and Jewish Banking conspiracies. We never believed the Nazis and we should never believe the Zionists.

Because the Jewish bankers were firing rockets, and killing Germans, right? No, wait. They weren't. That would be the Arab armies that attacked Israel in 1948.

If you choose to interpret the Basic Laws as being egalitarian that's your choice, but people like me who live in the real world can read it for ourselves.

And if you choose not to understand the words and come to erroneous conclusions, that's your choice. A foolish one and the world can see that, but whatever you want.

Noam Chomsky (A Jew)

oh look. An "as a Jew" claim. Why does Chomsky's religion matter. He is a brilliant linguist but you seem to think that makes him a political scientist. Funny, he doesn't quote me when it comes to linguistics. I wonder why that is? Oh yeah, it is because I stay in my lane.

has described Zionist Israel as a Jew supremacist society. It isn't just the Basic Law either, it is the sum total of many practices that go on in Israel. I encourage anyone reading this to search the web for "Jew Supremacy" here's the kind of response you'll get to such a search:

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Wow...Btselem, the NIF, Ha'aretz, Al Jazeera. It is amazing that these sources say what they do. I'm shocked. Shocked I say.

How does Saudi Arabia's barbarity have any bearing on Israeli barbarity? I'm interested so do explain.

It has a Basic Law that is explicitly exclusive in the current tense. Have you started a thread complaining about that?

Yes, this too is an oft repeated lie. There are truckloads of evidence about Palestinian Israeli citizens NOT enjoying the same rights at all, again any open minded person reading this can easily research this.
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Have you even looked at the laws listed there? For example, discharged soldiers get education benefits. But Arabs aren't required to serve so they aren't guaranteed those benefits. This doesn't mean that if they DO serve, they are shortchanged, just that only soldiers are guaranteed.
"The vast majority of Palestinian citizens of Israel are exempt from military service and are thus excluded from receiving these generous state benefits"

I don't qualify for the GI Bill in the US. Is that discriminatory and racist? No. I didn't serve.

Another "racist" law prohibits people from bringing in non-kosher for Passover food into a hospital on Passover. This would apply to non-religious Jews as well. How is it racist to ensure the continued Kosher supervision of any Kosher restaurant? My local Dunkin Donuts has the same rule. It must be racist.

It's like you don't even read what you post.

You're speaking with fork tongue. The record shows that Israel mass murders Palestinians (almost 40,000 in 9 months), destroys their houses, steals their land, denies them the right to self determination, kidnaps them (they call it "administrative detention", the Gestapo called it "protective custody").

So you ignore what I wrote and quote the same Hamas generated fake numbers to play the victim. I guess when you can't deal with the facts I presented you run away to something else.

Zionists like you do impress me though, the ease with which "black" can be called "white", "evil" can be called "good", "genocide" can be called "self defense" and "lies" can be called "truth'. That takes considerable intellectual skill, I have to hand it to you.

idiots like you continue to fail to impress me.

 

[rylah]

That depends on 1) what you mean by "Arab" (Jews are genetically close to Arabs), 2) "domination". White Christians "dominate" Europe and Blacks "dominate" Africa so in that sense I see absolutely no problem with Arabs "dominating" the Levant.

But Israel was an Arab state by population when it was created in 1948 and until it was ethnically cleansed of 750,000 Arabs by the militant Zionists who went on later to seize even more territory populated by Arabs and persecute them too.

Israel was never an Arab state by population or law.

There's no need to make up new definitions.
Arabs are the invaders from Arabia, or those
forced to submit to their ideology and rule
over their own indigenous culture.

Why support Arab imperialism,
is that what you call
"Free Bhalestine"?

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[Sherlock Holmes]

Untrue. A homeland refers to past history. Self determination is about future existence. That you don't understand this is sad.

Wow -- you are really unclear on this. I'm not sure how to make this any simpler. Your claim that Palestinians=Canaanites is based on the study which said that Jews have the same DNA breakdown. That means that when Canaanites were there, this led to both "Palestinians" and Jews at the same time, not before. If this is too subtle an argument, maybe find someone smarter who can explain it to you.

Yes -- a politician's statements don't always reflect what he truly feels. That makes your quote even less persuasive. Do you understand that? All you did was eliminate one person (out of the 2 you cited) from your unsupported blanket statement about "Zionists."

They didn't value anti-semitism. One person believed that the existence of anti-semitism should be a lightning rod to galvanize support in the Jewish community. Clearly, this is another argument that you don't understand. Maybe it would be easier if we started with a list of things you DO understand as I suspect that that list will be markedly shorter.

Israel was aware of the threat but didn't think it would happen. The Israeli political machine made the mistake of forgetting that the Arabs, even when they seem peaceful, are still driven by the belief that Israel should not exist and are willing to kill innocents and themselves towards that end. Remember, Israel unilaterally left Gaza in 2005. If anyone wanted to destroy Gaza and drive out the inhabitants, why would it hand over Gaza and displace its own population to do so? And if they wanted to do such now, why not just carpet bomb? Why create corridors to move people out of harm's way? Why drop leaflets and warn people? Why send in humanitarian aid (which had been going in DAILY and substantially before Oct 7). Why send soldiers in on foot to empty terrorist cells bit by bit? Because the goal is not to do all the things you think Israel is doing. You just are too blind and willfully ignorant to get that.

So Israel was attacked in 1948 and defending itself isn't allowed? LOL. https://www.jstor.org/stable/26801117

Because the Jewish bankers were firing rockets, and killing Germans, right? No, wait. They weren't. That would be the Arab armies that attacked Israel in 1948.

And if you choose not to understand the words and come to erroneous conclusions, that's your choice. A foolish one and the world can see that, but whatever you want.

oh look. An "as a Jew" claim. Why does Chomsky's religion matter. He is a brilliant linguist but you seem to think that makes him a political scientist. Funny, he doesn't quote me when it comes to linguistics. I wonder why that is? Oh yeah, it is because I stay in my lane.

Wow...Btselem, the NIF, Ha'aretz, Al Jazeera. It is amazing that these sources say what they do. I'm shocked. Shocked I say.
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It has a Basic Law that is explicitly exclusive in the current tense. Have you started a thread complaining about that?

Have you even looked at the laws listed there? For example, discharged soldiers get education benefits. But Arabs aren't required to serve so they aren't guaranteed those benefits. This doesn't mean that if they DO serve, they are shortchanged, just that only soldiers are guaranteed.
"The vast majority of Palestinian citizens of Israel are exempt from military service and are thus excluded from receiving these generous state benefits"

I don't qualify for the GI Bill in the US. Is that discriminatory and racist? No. I didn't serve.

Another "racist" law prohibits people from bringing in non-kosher for Passover food into a hospital on Passover. This would apply to non-religious Jews as well. How is it racist to ensure the continued Kosher supervision of any Kosher restaurant? My local Dunkin Donuts has the same rule. It must be racist.

It's like you don't even read what you post.

So you ignore what I wrote and quote the same Hamas generated fake numbers to play the victim. I guess when you can't deal with the facts I presented you run away to something else.

idiots like you continue to fail to impress me.

You say "Israel was attacked in 1948".

Civil war broke out in Palestine BEFORE Israel existed. There was fear of and opposition to a foreign power (Britain with the UN) declaring some already heavily Arab populated territorial region to be a new Jewish country with Zionist ideals. In the eyes of the Arabs, Israel was not a legitimate entity, it was not recognized as such. That there would be war was known to all parties, it was expected and unavoidable given the racist ideology embraced by militant Zionism and the preceding years of Zionist terrorism in the region.

It is disingenuous to claim "Israel was attacked in 1948" it is Zionist forces that were attacked, the entire idea of forcibly choosing to draw a border enclosing 950,000 Arabs and naming it "Israel" and that new state then having a minority Jew supremacist government with an armed forces created from former terrorist groups, is insanity.

So this was better described as an invasion and annexation of territory by a UN backed regime who then named it (incorrectly) "Israel" - it is that that was attacked.

Imagine an externally orchestrated mass immigration of say Yemenis taking place in some region in Canada, with the process managed by Islamist Yemeni fanatics. Then while that population grows, while it produces terrorist gangs and creates tension and fear within the already present population, China with UN draws a "border" around a strategic region centering on the Yemeni populated areas and names it "Yemenoza".

Then the UN declares a new state of Yemenoza has been created with that border, and the millions of Canadians that just happened to be unlucky and find themselves waking up in that new country. Then the surrounding areas react with violence and attack these invaders.

I for one, would not describe the hostile reaction to that invasion as "attacking Yemenoza".

 

[rylah]

You're making up demons to attack, inventing make believe enemies, swiping at phantoms. Where have I expressed support for imperialism of any kind? show me the post where you think I did that.

Perhaps you're trying to imply that the hostility toward Israel from its neighbors is evidence of "Arab imperialism" well it isn't.

Israel was created by the imperialist British, it was then rapidly populated by Jewish migrants from Europe and its terrorist forces - Haganah (craftily renamed to the IDF) - ethnically cleansed 750,000 of the people already living there, from their homes and took over their land, creating a huge refugee problem in the process, the repercussions of which are still clearly visible today.

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So the hostility is completely unsurprising, totally foreseeable and understandable. You want to blame others, but it's the British and militant Zionism that are by far, mostly to blame for the current situation. This situation DID NOT EXIST UNTIL ISRAEL was manufactured and forcibly installed into the region which was in 1948, a process that began some thirty years previously.

Know Your History: Even the Term “Free Palestine” Was Co-opted From the Jews​

American League for a Free Palestine (ALFP) was created in July 1944, by Peter H Bergson (formerly Hillel Kook), for the purpose of supporting and funding his Hebrew Committee of National Liberation in Palestine.

The ALFP attracted Jewish and non-Jewish members from all occupations, but especially those in politics and entertainment. The ALFP’s most notable achievement was the work of award winning playwright and director Ben Hecht, a member of the league. Hecht wrote A Flag is Born to propagandize the cause by comparing the fight for a free Palestine against the British to the American Revolution.

With money raised from the production of the play, the league purchased a boat for the Aliyah of Holocaust survivors from France. The group dissolved in December 1948 as the goal of the league had been achieved.

Know Your History: Even the Term “Free Palestine” Was Co-opted From the Jews (Part Two)

Over a year ago, I posted how the words “Free, free Palestine!” - words shouted out by Israel haters worldwide, more often than not an expression of their wish for the destruction of the state of Israel - were first used by the Zionist group American League for a Free Palestine (ALFP) in 1944

www.israellycool.com

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Israel was never an Arab state by population or law.

There's no need to make up new definitions.
Arabs are the invaders from Arabia, or those
forced to submit to their ideology and rule
over their own indigenous culture.

Why support Arab imperialism,
is that what you call
"Free Bhalestine"?

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Of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war,[71] over 80% fled or were expelled. The other 20%, some 156,000, remained.[72] Arab citizens of Israel today are largely composed of the people who remained and their descendants

Source Wikipedia

In 1947 there were an estimated 630,000 Jews in Israel (or the region that became Israel). So once that state's existence was declared Arabs represented 60% of the population, therefore Israel was majority Arab at the time of its founding.

That all changed very quickly of course as 750,000 of those Arabs were ethnically cleansed from Israel.

Israel as it is today, is a cancer, it should never have been created, it represents the self-interest only of fanatical Zionists (who were a minority of Jews initially) and former colonizing powers. It is nothing whatsoever to do with a peaceful and safe place for Jews, it is based on lies and those lies have been and are being told to Jews and Palestinians alike as well as the gullible public in the outside world.

It is obviously unsustainable, how exterminating 40,000 Palestinians and disabling/disfiguring 80,000 in eight months along with the destruction of their homes, the destruction of roads, schools, hospitals and businesses can be expected to serve any purpose other than generating a huge new "terrorist" organization, escapes me.

Israel's only way to exist "safely" in its current form is to exterminate or incapacitate not only all Palestinians in Israel and the Palestinian territories but those who are refugees in other countries and I doubt even the Israelis with their vast experience of butchery will be able to achieve that.

The degree of hatred and loathing that the Zionists are generating is hard to overstate, and sooner or later Israel and its population will pay a very heavy price for this despicable and miserable experiment.