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RightOh, you could have said the same to IM2, but, I guess he gets the pass, right?
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RightOh, you could have said the same to IM2, but, I guess he gets the pass, right?
Of course he has a right to his opinion. I never said otherwise.So he doesn't have a right to his opinion in this discussion?
Others would disagree with you.
What if the gov offered no interest home and business and student loans to qualified individuals?Want to answer this or not? Is there ANY coherent plan for reparations spelled out that has a chance of making everyone feel satisfied?
Since no one alive today have been effected by slavery there is nothing to discuss.
Whatchawantus to do? Round them up -- send them to a re-education camp? Take away their internet or voting privileges? Have the FBI monitor all of them?
What PERCENTAGE of all the white racists that you imagine exist can CAUSE HARM to the black community? Need an answer here -- and it probably shouldn't be "harm from the way they vote against reparations".
What KIND of harm do you imagine they do besides not liking to "hire POC" if they actually RUN ANYTHING or have any power? If they hold NO POWER or privilege -- are they STILL A THREAT to you?
Need answers...//////////////
To be honest -- the economic insults and other injuries lasted until last 60s and into the 70s. Beyond THAT -- the case for reparations gets weaker and weaker.
I am confused, since Liberals seem to ultimately believe there are no absolutes. No sexes, genders no right and wrong. By that standard, "racism" is a construct too and we can reject it as a control mechanism used to manipulate the masses. Or something like that.Seems that for some reason, I can't post in a thread I started.
The question is asked why am I asking whites to help solve the race problem.
"Why do you keep turning to white people for solutions to America's racial problems?"
Right Wing Whites Do Not Have Any Solutions to Offer Blacks
How did you avoid these problems and overcome them? Seems as though you took advantage of opportunity? No? He mostly just whined.www.usmessageboard.com
Whites created the problem and continue perpetuating it. So why do some whites think we are responsible for cleaning up a mess they made?
Reparations have been paid to other groups who have been harmed by government policy so the right wing opposition to reparations is simply based on a distorted racist belief. Whites are responsible for ending racism in the white community. Once that ends or is reduced to irrelevance the barriers and obstacles created by whites who have racist beliefs will be eliminated and groups of color will be able to reach their potential. You don't start a fire in your house the tell your neighbors how they need to put the fire out.
What if the gov offered no interest home and business and student loans to qualified individuals?
Stop making excuses.
This is not about prior generations, you have been shown an example of that. Whites today benefit from what happened in prior generations. This thread is not about reparations nor am I going to allow it to be derailed by having a conversation on reparations. This thread is about what whites can do to end racism in their communities.
Reparations have been paid to other groups who have been harmed by government policy so the right wing opposition to reparations is simply based on a distorted racist belief. Whites are responsible for ending racism in the white community. Once that ends or is reduced to irrelevance the barriers and obstacles created by whites who have racist beliefs will be eliminated and groups of color will be able to reach their potential. You don't start a fire in your house the tell your neighbors how they need to put the fire out.
Example from an article on CNN's website:The toxicity in our community is caused by white racism
And that is also part if the problem, segregation was not the same as slavery and anyone making a case for that is not being genuine.
I remember as a child, hearing my father use the N word and complaining that black folks wanted everything handed to them on a silver platter. Those attitudes were implanted into my mind before I was even old enough to understand what they meant. Being born white in America, I believe, is to have been born into a country that as a whole approved of taking land from Native Americans and enslaving black people to build it. Racial attitudes have been engrained into us for a very long time. It does not automatically make us individually racists, but at some point we do have to recognize it, reckon with it and determine to stand against racism as it has been taught to us throughout most of our lives.I remember you, or someone else like you saying that all whites were born inherently racist. I'm pretty sure it was you.
Fast forward nearly 80 years and the effects of redlining in Buffalo are still seen today. The ZIP code that includes the East Side where Tops is located, 14208, is 78% Black, according to the Census Bureau's 2020 American Community Survey. It is among the top 2% of ZIP codes nationwide with the highest percentage of Black population and has the highest percentage of Black population of any ZIP code in upstate New York.
What is this system, if it is not the erroneous government that was originally designed in compromise between white supremacists and slave owners?Despite the facts, some whites believe these things have no relationship to how and why things are as they are now. Like Norton, they have lived in a system that has afforded them wealth and do not want it changed.
What opportunities are black people being denied access to???Still, common sense says that if a system is built on denying specific races access to opportunity, racism will be at least partly the reason for the problems that exist due to that exclusion.
My church belongs to a group called POWER - People Organized to Witness Empower and Rebuild, an inter-faith group that work on just those things. We also meet regularly with a group called Come To The Table, to discuss racism, its implications and what we can do to improve things.That mindset allows racism to continue. We are responsible to change what is wrong. Too many whites feel a similar "helplesness" because they don't face that racism personally. It is about increasing societal shame and seriously enforcing non discrimination laws.
This is where non racist and anti racist whites must organize and create a strategy to combat white racism in media, politics, education, business, and the justice system.
How about all of the other bad things that white people do - how do we recognize it, reckon with it and determine to stand against it???Racial attitudes have been engrained into us for a very long time. It does not automatically make us individually racists, but at some point we do have to recognize it, reckon with it and determine to stand against racism as it has been taught to us throughout most of our lives.
Whites can do whatever they want and don’t have to do a thing at all.Blacks are doing our part. It's time whites like you stopped with the whataboutism. What you call black racism isn't really racism and blacks aren't making laws targeting whites, nor have blacks voted for presidents hoping they can appoint extremists to courts in order to overturn things like civil rights.
I think that if some of it is cultural choice, there is nothing wrong with wanting to live in a segregated community, white folks mostly do it all the time (I've heard many here say they don't want to be anywhere near black folks). I think the problem becomes that once a place becomes predominantly black, that services may stop, investments in the community may stop, opportunities may disappear, education slips, often because of the belief that investing in black people will do them no good and is a waste of good money.How much of this is "cultural choice"? Any one of those families could relocate into the burbs or a different city. Maybe even find better schools, cheaper cost of living. There is a tendency to WANT to live in predominantly segregated communities.
And of course, the NEW racist mantra of CRT ENCOURAGES re-segregation because the "oppressed" dont live with or under the "oppressors". Only way to AVOID the somewhat imaginary "systemic racism" TODAY -- is to remain the "ghetto" and control your own govt and economics. Any PROBLEMS from doing that for multiple generations now IS NOT "white people's fault"...
Other things such as?How about all of the other bad things that white people do - how do we recognize it, reckon with it and determine to stand against it???