Which Party Is Out Of Touch?

[Redfish]

Where in that poll did it say that most Americans want to repeal Obamacare?

There isn't a single national poll that has repeal as the majority position, not a one.

I've never seen one. So why do rightwingers insist on lying about this?

how many times do you need it?

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Repeal of Health Care Law: Favor/Oppose

 

[Seawytch]

Carb, the polls you're using are obsolete polls, IMO. They are polls that were taken prior or taken right after Oct. 1. Try using some polls that are more current. I've used some more current polls from your very own source. IMO you have been disingenuous in your info gathering and again have shown to be the board idiot.

CNN
"As you may know, a bill that makes major changes to the country's health care system became law in 2010. Based on what you have read or heard about that legislation, do you generally favor or generally oppose it?"

11/18-10/13
Favor 40%
Oppose 58%

Kaiser Family Foundation Health Tracking Poll.
"As you may know, a health reform bill was signed into law in 2010. Given what you know about the health reform law, do you have a generally favorable or generally unfavorable opinion of it?"

Nov. 13-18, 2013
Favorable 33%
Unfavorable 49%

Gallup Poll
"Do you generally approve or disapprove of the 2010 Affordable Care Act, signed into law by President Obama that restructured the U.S. health care system?"

11/7-10/13
Approve 40%
Disapprove 55%
Health Policy

Ok, now I see the problem. You are illiterate. Not one of the polls you posted is a repeal poll.

Repeal was the topic. Please stick to the topic.

Gallup shows just 24% like it....29% repeal it, and 21% make major changes to it.
Carb, you can put as much lipstick on your pig, but at the end of the day it's still a pig.
Please show some more recent polls to back your premise.

No matter how you spin it, repeal is not the majority position.

 

[Redfish]

Ok, now I see the problem. You are illiterate. Not one of the polls you posted is a repeal poll.

Repeal was the topic. Please stick to the topic.

Gallup shows just 24% like it....29% repeal it, and 21% make major changes to it.
Carb, you can put as much lipstick on your pig, but at the end of the day it's still a pig.
Please show some more recent polls to back your premise.

No matter how you spin it, repeal is not the majority position.

OK, but being opposed to it is the majority position. Its a terrible law, it could never work, it is hurting our economy and our citizens right now.

it belongs to obama and the dems who rammed it through, and it will be their downfall.

 

[oreo]

Heard about this poll on Rush. Credit where credit is due.

IBD/TIPP Poll: Democrats Are the Out-of-Touch Extremists - Investors.com

Politics: We keep hearing about how the Republican Party is full of radical Tea Party crazies. But our latest IBD/TIPP Poll shows that it's Democrats who are out of touch with reality and well outside the mainstream.

The public overwhelmingly believes the country is headed in the wrong direction, that current economic policies aren't working, that President Obama is doing a bad job, that government should be smaller and that ObamaCare should be repealed. But not Democrats.

On issue after issue, in fact, Democrats are the outliers by wide margins, according to an analysis of the December IBD/TIPP survey.

They are, by and large, Pollyanna-ish about the economy, they can see no evil when it comes to Obama or ObamaCare, and they are extremists when it comes to the size and role of the federal government.

To get a sense of just how out to lunch Democrats are these days, consider:
The economy is barely moving after four years of Obama's "recovery," there are millions who've given up looking for work, household incomes are down and poverty is up.
Not surprisingly, 64% of the public says the country is headed in the wrong direction — 71% of independents say this. But those who identify themselves as Democrats are positively upbeat. Two-thirds, in fact, are perfectly satisfied with the country's direction.

Edge:

More at the link. Much more

democrats won't acknowledge this. Anybody surprised?

They're both out of touch with reality. 1st Republicans have the right idea when it comes to spending and a smaller government. That produces jobs in the private sector, aloowing our economy to expand. Where they go wrong is with "some" in the Tea Party movement that believe they can legislate family values-and their personal version of morality-from Washington D.C. It's always about abortion, which is a Supreme Court issue--and of which we have had Roe v Wade for well over 40 years now, along with several Republican administrations and nothing has changed They can't--no politician is going to change anything along these lines--and some in the Tea Party still don't get it--and continually nominate politicians that are certain losers because of their too far right stance on social issues--(that they can't change.)

Democrats are out of total touch with reality--by trying to control private sector business. As we're seeing today--a take over of 1/6th of the economy--and they're screwing it up big time. Anytime the Federal Government puts their greedy fingers into the private sector they're going to screw it up. Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac and the elimination of the Glass/Stegall Banking act of the 1930's is what put this economy on it's knees in 2008.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Carb, the polls you're using are obsolete polls, IMO. They are polls that were taken prior or taken right after Oct. 1. Try using some polls that are more current. I've used some more current polls from your very own source. IMO you have been disingenuous in your info gathering and again have shown to be the board idiot.

CNN
"As you may know, a bill that makes major changes to the country's health care system became law in 2010. Based on what you have read or heard about that legislation, do you generally favor or generally oppose it?"

11/18-10/13
Favor 40%
Oppose 58%

Kaiser Family Foundation Health Tracking Poll.
"As you may know, a health reform bill was signed into law in 2010. Given what you know about the health reform law, do you have a generally favorable or generally unfavorable opinion of it?"

Nov. 13-18, 2013
Favorable 33%
Unfavorable 49%

Gallup Poll
"Do you generally approve or disapprove of the 2010 Affordable Care Act, signed into law by President Obama that restructured the U.S. health care system?"

11/7-10/13
Approve 40%
Disapprove 55%
Health Policy

Ok, now I see the problem. You are illiterate. Not one of the polls you posted is a repeal poll.

Repeal was the topic. Please stick to the topic.

Gallup shows just 24% like it....29% repeal it, and 21% make major changes to it.
Carb, you can put as much lipstick on your pig, but at the end of the day it's still a pig.
Please show some more recent polls to back your premise.

That Gallup poll supports my premise, ninny. 29% favor REPEAL. Repeal was the issue.

My premise was that there is not majority support for REPEAL in the polls. There is not.

Let's go back to what the author of this thread claimed, aka the other guy who's claiming I'm wrong:

"The public overwhelmingly believes the country is headed in the wrong direction, that current economic policies aren't working, that President Obama is doing a bad job, that government should be smaller and that ObamaCare should be repealed."

...the public overwhelmingly believes that ObamaCare should be repealed...

That claim is either right or wrong. The person that made that claim is either right or wrong.

Now you tell me, is that claim right or wrong?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Gallup shows just 24% like it....29% repeal it, and 21% make major changes to it.
Carb, you can put as much lipstick on your pig, but at the end of the day it's still a pig.
Please show some more recent polls to back your premise.

No matter how you spin it, repeal is not the majority position.

OK, but being opposed to it is the majority position. Its a terrible law, it could never work, it is hurting our economy and our citizens right now.

it belongs to obama and the dems who rammed it through, and it will be their downfall.

I don't approve of the law because it didn't contain the public option. Approval/disapproval doesn't necessarily tell you what you think it might tell you.

 

[Edgetho]

Here's another poll that our resident idiot, carbonation, will swear doesn't exist...


Obama Loses Support from Important Swing Demographic, White Women
—Ace

First he lost young voters, now white women. Over Obamacare.

Polling provided to National Journal by the Kaiser Family Foundation shows that white women have soured considerably on the law, especially in the month since its botched rollout. The skepticism runs especially deep among blue-collar women....

The Kaiser poll, which has been conducted monthly since Obamacare’s inception, shows the law has never been a big hit with white women. But this group’s opinions took a sharply negative turn in the November results.

According to Kaiser, 40 percent of college-educated white women hold a “very unfavorable” view of the law—10 points higher than a month ago. An additional 10 percent view the law “somewhat unfavorably.” A month ago, those two groups together totaled just 42 percent.

That’s not damning in and of itself, but this is the one slice of the white electorate where Democrats usually perform well. President Obama won 46 percent of the group in 2012, and even that was an underwhelming showing compared with recent Democratic presidential candidates.

And that’s not all. Democrats should be far more worried about white women who do not have a higher education. The numbers are astounding: In the latest Kaiser poll, 50 percent have a “very unfavorable” view of the law—9 points higher than in October. An additional 13 percent view it “somewhat unfavorably.” Indeed, antipathy among blue-collar white women runs even deeper than the most conservative white demographic group, blue-collar white men (59 percent of whom hold an unfavorable view, Kaiser found).

Remarkably, only 16 percent of blue-collar white women have a favorable view of Obamacare. They disapprove of it by a 4-1 ratio.

Democrats typically do not win the white women vote, but they do fairly well, picking up somewhere between, say, 40-45% of that large section of the vote. They lose white women, but narrowly enough that minority women (strongly Democratic) push the whole of the women's vote to the Democrats.

Because white women make up such a large fraction of the voting population, a few percentage points shifted from Democrats to Republicans will have an impact at the ballot box.

Maybe pro-Obamacare Happy Hours will do the trick.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_UuOtUyAhg&feature=player_embedded]Obama calls on bartenders to host happy hours for Obamacare - YouTube[/ame]

 

[oreo]

Here's another poll that our resident idiot, carbonation, will swear doesn't exist...


Obama Loses Support from Important Swing Demographic, White Women
—Ace

First he lost young voters, now white women. Over Obamacare.

Polling provided to National Journal by the Kaiser Family Foundation shows that white women have soured considerably on the law, especially in the month since its botched rollout. The skepticism runs especially deep among blue-collar women....

The Kaiser poll, which has been conducted monthly since Obamacare’s inception, shows the law has never been a big hit with white women. But this group’s opinions took a sharply negative turn in the November results.

According to Kaiser, 40 percent of college-educated white women hold a “very unfavorable” view of the law—10 points higher than a month ago. An additional 10 percent view the law “somewhat unfavorably.” A month ago, those two groups together totaled just 42 percent.

That’s not damning in and of itself, but this is the one slice of the white electorate where Democrats usually perform well. President Obama won 46 percent of the group in 2012, and even that was an underwhelming showing compared with recent Democratic presidential candidates.

And that’s not all. Democrats should be far more worried about white women who do not have a higher education. The numbers are astounding: In the latest Kaiser poll, 50 percent have a “very unfavorable” view of the law—9 points higher than in October. An additional 13 percent view it “somewhat unfavorably.” Indeed, antipathy among blue-collar white women runs even deeper than the most conservative white demographic group, blue-collar white men (59 percent of whom hold an unfavorable view, Kaiser found).

Remarkably, only 16 percent of blue-collar white women have a favorable view of Obamacare. They disapprove of it by a 4-1 ratio.

Democrats typically do not win the white women vote, but they do fairly well, picking up somewhere between, say, 40-45% of that large section of the vote. They lose white women, but narrowly enough that minority women (strongly Democratic) push the whole of the women's vote to the Democrats.

Because white women make up such a large fraction of the voting population, a few percentage points shifted from Democrats to Republicans will have an impact at the ballot box.

Maybe pro-Obamacare Happy Hours will do the trick.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_UuOtUyAhg&feature=player_embedded]Obama calls on bartenders to host happy hours for Obamacare - YouTube[/ame]

That's the problem--Republicans could win 90% of the women vote if they would lay off of social issues--abortion--(that no one can change anyway)--and birth control pills for crying out loud.

When Newt Gingrich mentioned birth control pills and Catholic employers being "forced to pay for them" under Obamacare--I about fell out of my chair. They have been paying for them for decades. Many states for decades have mandated that insurers--regardless of faith or challenge have to pay for them. Social right wing nut cases picked up the ball on that, not even knowing what their own state had required in the past--

BIRTH CONTROL PILLS ARE A PRESCRIPTION DRUG--and ALL PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, INCLUDING ALL OF THE MALE ENHANCEMENT DRUGS LIKE VIAGRA ARE PAID FOR BY THE INSURER.

Henceforth "the war on women began." Then we had old White Male Republicans sharing their views on rape victims-and what a "lucky to be alive" women should do if they get pregnant-and it made women run from this party right into the democrat parties arms. Women are more than 1/2--(more than men) of the voting population of this country. If you can't win women--you lose.

Former George W. Bush adviser Karen Hughes dissects the lessons learned from the 2012 race on our home page, and cites a key one for the Republican party

And if another Republican man says anything about rape other than it is a horrific, violent crime, I want to personally cut out his tongue. The college-age daughters of many of my friends voted for Obama because they were completely turned off by Neanderthal comments like the suggestion of “legitimate rape.”

Karen Hughes: I'll 'cut out' the tongue of GOPers talking rape - POLITICO.com

This is exactly why you don't nominate right wing social nut-cases to run for elected office. They''re certain to offend someone or some group.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The GOP can be a majority party nationally for a long time if it would but respect women's issues.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Here's another poll...[off topic ranting removed]

So you're hijacking your own thread now with off topic jibberish?

Let's stick to you being proven to be full of shit when you dishonestly claimed that the overwhelming majority of Americans wanted to repeal Obamacare.

Stop lying. Show a gram of integrity once in a while. Once a week even.

 

[Meister]

Ok, now I see the problem. You are illiterate. Not one of the polls you posted is a repeal poll.

Repeal was the topic. Please stick to the topic.

Gallup shows just 24% like it....29% repeal it, and 21% make major changes to it.
Carb, you can put as much lipstick on your pig, but at the end of the day it's still a pig.
Please show some more recent polls to back your premise.

No matter how you spin it, repeal is not the majority position.

Rasmussen Reports 11/9 - 11/10 1000 LV
Favor Repeal 55%
Oppose Repeal 41%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/repeal_of_health_care_law_favoroppose-1947.html

Show me a poll that is more current with a different outcome.

 

[Meister]

Here's another poll...[off topic ranting removed]

So you're hijacking your own thread now with off topic jibberish?

Let's stick to you being proven to be full of shit when you dishonestly claimed that the overwhelming majority of Americans wanted to repeal Obamacare.

Stop lying. Show a gram of integrity once in a while. Once a week even.

Actually, he gave you a poll that was more up to date than yours proving you wrong.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Here's another poll...[off topic ranting removed]

So you're hijacking your own thread now with off topic jibberish?

Let's stick to you being proven to be full of shit when you dishonestly claimed that the overwhelming majority of Americans wanted to repeal Obamacare.

Stop lying. Show a gram of integrity once in a while. Once a week even.

Actually, he gave you a poll that was more up to date than yours proving you wrong.

"43 percent think the law needs to be repealed entirely."

CBSnews Nov. 15 to 18

Poll: Obamacare support, Obama approval sink to new lows - CBS News

Now YOU tell me whether the OP was right or wrong when he claimed there was overwhelming support for repeal.

 

[Kosh]

Any thing having to do with the far left is completely out of touch with reality.

So it stands to reason that anyone supporting the far left is in that same boat.

 

[Kosh]

So you're hijacking your own thread now with off topic jibberish?

Let's stick to you being proven to be full of shit when you dishonestly claimed that the overwhelming majority of Americans wanted to repeal Obamacare.

Stop lying. Show a gram of integrity once in a while. Once a week even.

Actually, he gave you a poll that was more up to date than yours proving you wrong.

"43 percent think the law needs to be repealed entirely."

CBSnews Nov. 15 to 18

Poll: Obamacare support, Obama approval sink to new lows - CBS News

Now YOU tell me whether the OP was right or wrong when he claimed there was overwhelming support for repeal.

Oh my the far left CBS?

WOW!

http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm

Although I provided a link to get the whole story on those numbers:

When you combine the somewhat disapprove of 15% with the strongly disapprove of 46% you get 61% and that is definitely a large majority.

As far as repeal the numbers based on the which poll you read can be well over 50%. The more far left polls generally are under 50%.

 

[Seawytch]

Gallup shows just 24% like it....29% repeal it, and 21% make major changes to it.
Carb, you can put as much lipstick on your pig, but at the end of the day it's still a pig.
Please show some more recent polls to back your premise.

No matter how you spin it, repeal is not the majority position.

OK, but being opposed to it is the majority position. Its a terrible law, it could never work, it is hurting our economy and our citizens right now.

it belongs to obama and the dems who rammed it through, and it will be their downfall.

Half the people that "don't like" the ACA don't think it goes far enough. The GOP is not on the majority side in regards to the ACA.

 

[Redfish]

The GOP can be a majority party nationally for a long time if it would but respect women's issues.

how exactly is murder of unborn children a "womens issue" ?

are you so fucking stupid that you think that all women want abortion as a birth control method? are you so stupid that you think that all women want to kill unborn children?

 

[Redfish]

No matter how you spin it, repeal is not the majority position.

OK, but being opposed to it is the majority position. Its a terrible law, it could never work, it is hurting our economy and our citizens right now.

it belongs to obama and the dems who rammed it through, and it will be their downfall.

Half the people that "don't like" the ACA don't think it goes far enough. The GOP is not on the majority side in regards to the ACA.

I think you are wrong, but even if you are right, a majority do not like the ACA law and EITHER want it repealed or significantly changed. Thats the point, its a terrible law that neither side likes.

 

[Votto]

Piss off, libertarians and eeyores.

Either offer something tangible or go ruin somebody else's day.

Better yet, vote Republican. We might not be perfect but I'll tell you something else we're not.....

dimocrap scum.

And that's a big improvement over anything you have to offer

That's right. So get out there and vote GOP so they can......so they can......so they can continue to run up debt and maybe add another massive entitlement like the Drugs for Seniors Program that "W" gave us.

Go team!!

 

[Votto]

OK, but being opposed to it is the majority position. Its a terrible law, it could never work, it is hurting our economy and our citizens right now.

it belongs to obama and the dems who rammed it through, and it will be their downfall.

Half the people that "don't like" the ACA don't think it goes far enough. The GOP is not on the majority side in regards to the ACA.

I think you are wrong, but even if you are right, a majority do not like the ACA law and EITHER want it repealed or significantly changed. Thats the point, its a terrible law that neither side likes.

Some like it.