Which party has been more destructive to the middle-class? Democrats or Republicans?

[Hafar1014]

Has the presence of tens of millions of illegals been helpful for the middle-class? Have illegals helped drive up wages in blue collar trades? Have they brought down rents and home values? Have they helped improve public education for middle-classers? What’s your thoughts?

Bidens inflation crushed the middle class and democrat crime policies increased crime. The ultimate measure are the millions fleeing democrat states and moving to Red states. Thats the poll that tells the truth. Wealth creators leave and illegals replace them draining their budgets increasing crime and poverty.

 

[Lesh]

Bidens inflation crushed the middle class and democrat crime policies increased crime. The ultimate measure are the millions fleeing democrat states and moving to Red states. Thats the poll that tells the truth. Wealth creators leave and illegals replace them draining their budgets increasing crime and poverty.

Both were the result of Covid

 

[jc456]

That wasn the question.. .which party is more fiscally disciplined. LOL. Ask again..

he answered you saying neither party is. what didn't you understand?

 

[Invisibleflash]

Has the presence of tens of millions of illegals been helpful for the middle-class? Have illegals helped drive up wages in blue collar trades? Have they brought down rents and home values? Have they helped improve public education for middle-classers? What’s your thoughts?

 

[Hafar1014]

Both were the result of Covid

Lame excuse Trumps inflation was 2% and we had covid. Biden drove up oil costs by suppressing production below demand and spent trillions in debt based money which took inflations from 1.4% to 9.1% in one years. The American Rescue plan was never needed GDP was 6.4%. Democrats tried to buy votes and the 1200 we got cost 5000 in inflation each year. More Biden democrat stupidity. He tried to manilutale us and it exploded in his face

 

[jc456]

This thread is about which policies help the middle and working class more.

so which policies do help the middle class more? did you answer?

 

[Winston]

Lame excuse Trumps inflation was 2% and we had covid. Biden drove up oil costs by suppressing production below demand and spent trillions in debt based money which took inflations from 1.4% to 9.1% in one years. The American Rescue plan was never needed GDP was 6.4%. Democrats tried to buy votes and the 1200 we got cost 5000 in inflation each year. More Biden democrat stupidity. He tried to manilutale us and it exploded in his face

So delusional. First, Trump, inflation, and Covid. Yes, inflation was around two percent, because EVERYONE WAS STAYING HOME. Gas was cheap because no one was traveling. Flipping oil went NEGATIVE. You could get paid to take it if you had storage capacity. And although unemployment was through the roof, thousands of businesses closed, real incomes for working Americans WENT UP. The only time that has ever happened in the history of the country, and it was due to those massive stimulus checks and that ridiculous unemployment additional payment.

I mean you could see it coming. Spending was down, savings were up, incomes were up, once the Covid thing kind of broke all hell let loose, spending came roaring back, and yes, inflation spiked. I mean come on, inflation is merely the cost of money. Don't need no money when you ain't going anywhere, not going to work, not taking vacations, eating out, or spending on entertainment. Demand for those dollars was low. The cost was cheap.

And the debt based money. As I said back then, when inflation first started ramping up, three out of four of these "debt dollars" came from the Trump administration. I mean look at this chart.

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Second quarter of 2020. Trump is president. In one quarter, one quarter,he dumped TWO TRILLION fresh dollars into the economy. The following next two quarters he dumped in almost a trillion more. Of course that impacted inflation in future quarters.

Then the oil bullshit, stifling production was he? Then how come he produced more oil than Trump did his first term? And did not Trump, in his first term, get OPEC to "stifle production"? Why yes, yes he did. I mean it is all a damn myth. Oil production was up under Biden. Natural Gas production was WAY up under Biden. Total energy production is up under Biden. Meanwhile, how are those gas prices doing today?

And finally, crime. Here again, you live in some alternative universe. Crime fell under Biden, violent crime fell, property crime fell. Now, well Republicans want to complain about how the numbers are calculated. But the reality is, crime has fallen, rather it continues to do so remains to be seen.

 

[jc456]

Second quarter of 2020. Trump is president. In one quarter, one quarter,he dumped TWO TRILLION fresh dollars into the economy. The following next two quarters he dumped in almost a trillion more. Of course that impacted inflation in future quarters.

so you don't think wuhan was the reason? you just stated people stayed home, that means they didn't make money? Are you now saying welfare is a drain on americans? I fking agree, let's do away with it. it's obvious you'd prefer them all unalived.

 

[Winston]

so which policies do help the middle class more? did you answer?

I think the easy way to examine a policy, rather from the right or the left, is to just examine the cash flows. I mean how about some easy ones first. Remember when Thune stuck in an amendment at the last minute that allowed Senators to sue the government for millions because their phone records were reviewed. Cash flow was easy to see, millions of dollars for a few senators. The House nixed the hell out of that shit. Not even they could justify it.

Now, the big beautiful bill included a "bonus depreciation" benefit that allows companies to deduct one hundred percent of capital investments, including the new corporate jet, in the year of purchase. The businesses, and thereby the owners, receive the benefit of additional tax deductions and the working class, they have to pick up the shortfall in revenue.

Does no one remember the doughnut hole with Medicare? Back in the day, well it was a period of non-coverage that cost many beneficiaries thousands of dollars a year. That was closed when manufacturers were required to cough up some rebates to the government. Those thousand of dollars that were flowing to the drug companies, and yes, their owners, are now flowing to those on Medicare. Paying for vacations, spoiling the grandkids, and eating out. Just examine the cash flows.

 

[my2¢]

I agree with everyone and give the credit to each side as the reduce ranks of the middle class, according to this study, is more a factor of the growth of the upper class.

 

[martybegan]

Has the presence of tens of millions of illegals been helpful for the middle-class? Have illegals helped drive up wages in blue collar trades? Have they brought down rents and home values? Have they helped improve public education for middle-classers? What’s your thoughts?

To figure that out, look at the policies in deep Blue cities and which people stay, and which people leave.

The mega-rich can to a point, afford to stay, the poor stay because their lives are subsidized, that squeezes out the people from lower middle to middle upper class, who get the least benefits from the massive systems and pay the highest proportion of their incomes to pay for it.

 

[jc456]

I agree with everyone and give the credit to each side as the reduce ranks of the middle class, according to this study, is more a factor of the growth of the upper class.

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That’s actually a good table, the poor went down and the rich went up. WTF are they talking about looks like growth to me

 

[Winston]

so you don't think wuhan was the reason? you just stated people stayed home, that means they didn't make money? Are you now saying welfare is a drain on americans? I fking agree, let's do away with it. it's obvious you'd prefer them all unalived.

Yes, they stayed home. But no, they WERE making money. Unemployment at levels not seen since the depression, yet real incomes were UP. The additional unemployment benefit, the multiple stimulus checks, and don't forget, the fraud riddled PPP plan, last year alone we recovered over 6.5 billion dollars from fraudulently loan applications.

Welfare can be a drain on Americans, or it can be a force multiplier. Again, it is all about the cash flows. At this very moment, fifty percent of spending is coming from ten percent of the households. That is unsustainable.

 

[citygator]

he answered you saying neither party is. what didn't you understand?

Question was whose policies are better for the middle class..or worse. The question wasn’t about fiscal constraint on the deficit. Both fail there sure.

 

[jc456]

Yes, they stayed home. But no, they WERE making money.

Nope. Businesses closed thousands and they had employees and they filed for unemployment. You should research

Unemployment at levels not seen since the depression, yet real incomes were UP.

Yep cause businesses closed because of the hoax again the need for the added welfare

The additional unemployment benefit, the multiple stimulus checks, and don't forget, the fraud riddled PPP plan, last year alone we recovered over 6.5 billion dollars from fraudulently loan applications.

All because democrats hated trump they made the globe suffer. Says all about democrats.

Welfare can be a drain on Americans, or it can be a force multiplier. Again, it is all about the cash flows. At this very moment, fifty percent of spending is coming from ten percent of the households. That is unsustainable.

Welfare is bad

 

[jc456]

Question was whose policies are better for the middle class..or worse. The question wasn’t about fiscal constraint on the deficit. Both fail there sure.

He answered neither….. hello mcfly

 

[citygator]

He answered neither….. hello mcfly

That is the wrong answer… according to AI… and normal people.

 

[jc456]

That is the wrong answer… according to AI… and normal people.

Ohhhkay Francis

 

[Winston]

That’s actually a good table, the poor went down and the rich went up. WTF are they talking about looks like growth to me

I believe that the point is the middle class has been squeezed out, and continues to be squeezed. And that is a problem.

“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot."

Matthew 5:13

The middle class, the salt of the earth, they have always been our strength. The very structure of our nation requires that strength. And make no mistake, our enemies, both from within and outside, know destroying, or significantly curtailing the power of the middle class, is the first step to our destruction. I mean this is not rocket science, it has happened time and time again in the past.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I agree with everyone and give the credit to each side as the reduce ranks of the middle class, according to this study, is more a factor of the growth of the upper class.

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The question posed in the thread title is;

“Which party has been more destructive to the middle-class?​

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