Which party has been more destructive to the middle-class? Democrats or Republicans?

[Zincwarrior]

Has the presence of tens of millions of illegals been helpful for the middle-class? Have illegals helped drive up wages in blue collar trades? Have they brought down rents and home values? Have they helped improve public education for middle-classers? What’s your thoughts?

Yes. Both are equally destructive.

 

[22lcidw]

Reagan destroyed the middle class and the American Dream

American laziness and other nations catching up in technologies and product quality and lower prices did that. Automobiles, electronics, heavy industry, steel, etc. was in decline by the time Reagan was elected. We transitioned from privileged employment in manufacturing to privileged employment in government and monopolies. Add the influx of women into the workforce and taxes mushroomed up at all levels of government.

 

[Doc7505]

This is white right-wing bullshit. Basically, all your claim amounts to is whites feeling they are being left out because they have to compete for things and cannot get everything given to them.

Your last sentence gives it all away.

Whites are 60 percent of the population and 76 percent of the workforce. Whites are 80 percent or more of the management positions. So where in the hell are white people being left out?

This is just a white man whining because he can't get everything he believes he is entitled to.

President Biden stood on a picket line with striking laborers. He is the first sitting president to have done that in the history of the United States. Trump didn’t do it, and in fact, he showed up at a non-union business barking bad things about labor, yet he was the one who those like you say connected with the working class. Historian Eric Loomis gave Biden a higher grade on his labor policies than any president since FDR. The Biden/Harris administration awarded 36 billion dollars to save the pensions of over 350,000 workers when they saved the Central States Pension fund. This fund paid the pensions for warehouse workers, construction workers, truck drivers, and food processors. This looks like Democrat support for the working class to me.

Meanwhile, Trump is screwing the white working class, and you are in here running your mouth about what democrats have lost. All I can say is this: Democrats don't need to gain back the trust of the racist white part of the working class. Those whites have not voted Democrat since 1964.

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Even the NY Slimes and Politico admit that Democrats have turned against Blue and White-collar middle class workers in the U.S.
Democrats have faced criticism for their immigration policies, which some argue harm blue and white-collar middle-class workers by increasing competition for jobs through low-skilled immigration. This perspective that such policies negatively impact wages and job opportunities for American workers.
Read more:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/04/us/politics/democrats-working-class.html

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Democrats keep forgetting the working class

As right-wing politicians scoop up the blue-collar vote, the left has its head in the sand.

www.politico.eu

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The Democrats Actively Expedited Class Dealignment

In the 1990s, Democrats adopted a neoliberal program to suit the needs of capital, driving many workers out. The party then adopted a political strategy meant to replace working-class voters with professionals — with disastrous consequences.

jacobin.com

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/10/democratic-party-crisis-mode-00188547

 

[IM2]

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Even the NY Slimes and Politico admit that Democrats have turned against Blue and White-collar middle class workers in the U.S.
Democrats have faced criticism for their immigration policies, which some argue harm blue and white-collar middle-class workers by increasing competition for jobs through low-skilled immigration. This perspective that such policies negatively impact wages and job opportunities for American workers.
Read more:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/04/us/politics/democrats-working-class.html

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Democrats keep forgetting the working class

As right-wing politicians scoop up the blue-collar vote, the left has its head in the sand.

www.politico.eu

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The Democrats Actively Expedited Class Dealignment

In the 1990s, Democrats adopted a neoliberal program to suit the needs of capital, driving many workers out. The party then adopted a political strategy meant to replace working-class voters with professionals — with disastrous consequences.

jacobin.com

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/10/democratic-party-crisis-mode-00188547

I'm not caring what those people think. I'm posting what Biden did. The only working class that had a problem was whites. There are working class blacks, Asians, Native Americans, Hispanics, they all voted in majority for Harris. Somehow, she was able to connect with them. Democrats need to just ignore the racist part of the white working class because that group has not voted Democrat for 60 years.

Trump sabotaged a border bill that was endorsed by the border patrol, so I'm not listening to some MAGAT talking about Democrats and immigration.

 

[BrokeLoser]

So, let me see if I understand this. This painter dude, he could "move up", run his own crews, then he could make more money. Or, he could hire a helper, someone to do all those little things this painter does himself. That could make him more efficient, he could make more money. But he does neither. Nope, he wants to continue to do what he has always done. He does not want to grow, does not want to teach, does not want to expand. Nope, he wants to continue to do his own thing all by himself.

And it is somehow the immigrant's fault this guy doesn't make more money?

Are you playing Dem pretend or do you really not understand how slaves who work for shit wages, under shit conditions and for cash destroy trades?
Do you really not understand how their anchor babies destroy our public education, our healthcare, take from social services and take opportunities from real Americans?

 

[leftwinger]

I'm not caring what those people think. I'm posting what Biden did. The only working class that had a problem was whites. There are working class blacks, Asians, Native Americans, Hispanics, they all voted in majority for Harris. Somehow, she was able to connect with them. Democrats need to just ignore the racist part of the white working class because that group has not voted Democrat for 60 years.

Trump sabotaged a border bill that was endorsed by the border patrol, so I'm not listening to some MAGAT talking about Democrats and immigration.

Just put your boys to work. 3 million Illegals jailed or deported leaves openings mist likely.//

 

[Doc7505]

As we accumulate debt and make short term fixes without thinking long term then neither side is helping the middle or working class. Debt is the real problem, as debt has exploded by fiscally irresponsible people we will continue to see a separation of wealth. In fact the two largest separations of wealth occurred in 2009 and 2022, so I am not seeing this a them or us, I see it as both parties are bought and paid for to give money to the rich.

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We were warned about the rising debt during the Clinton Administration, and the Republican Congress proceeded to balance the budget and spending through "Reconciliation". It worked until 9/11 2001. then you have to question why Obama nearly doubled spending.

 

[Failzero]

Yes. Both are equally destructive.

That is straight outta the Island of Lost Luggage

 

[Lesh]

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We were warned about the rising debt during the Clinton Administration, and the Republican Congress proceeded to balance the budget and spending through "Reconciliation". It worked until 9/11 2001. then you have to question why Obama nearly doubled spending.

You gotta be kidding. The budget was balanced during the Clinton Admin and he left a budget surplus

Know what Bush/Cheney did with that BEFORE 9/11?

Yeah they gave it out in tax cuts mostly for the richness… and then some

THAT is what Republicans do

 

[Hollie]

OMG are you still harping on illegals? First of all, Republicans were the ones who let them in on Bush's watch

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003

And lots of illegals or undocumented workers work for Republican farms, restaurants and HOTELS.

2nd, Trump mishandled the Covid pandemic and look what happened. Inflation you blame on Joe Biden.

Trump 2.0 tariffs us all like a king and starts wars that he and his boys profit off of and you pay higher gas prices.

GAWD you're a stupid stupid man.

Yet you choose to ignore the democrats importation of millions of illegals.

Stupid third worlder.

 

[leftwinger]

You gotta be kidding. The budget was balanced during the Clinton Admin and he left a budget surplus

Know what Bush/Cheney did with that BEFORE 9/11?

Yeah they gave it out in tax cuts mostly for the richness… and then some

THAT is what Republicans do

Handing off the dot.com bust then 2001 didn't help you dumb baboon.

 

[leftwinger]

Create a Crisis, steal power. Use the Crisis to dig into the US Treasury, setup huge criminal fraud on spending, funnel money back to DEM politicians, pay dirty media for cover, rinse repeat. DEM playback 101.

 

[XponentialChaos]

There are things they could do, and we wouldnt have to spend all these billions deporting people. But they dont want to do that. Like mandatory e-verify. Even the states that have it exclude things like small companies, companies that use seasonal workers, independent contractors etc. Know what they all have in common? They employee illegals.

This.

If they’re not allowed to work here, then they’re not going to come here. If we mandate e-verify and severely punish any company that does not comply, problem solved.

The truth is that neither Democrats nor Republicans really want to remove all illegal immigrants. There are economic benefits of having cheap labor.

Even Trump himself has expressed reluctance of removing ALL illegal immigrants as this would severely negatively impact various sectors.

Trump 'working on' deportation exemptions for undocumented farm and hospitality workers

President Donald Trump said Tuesday he is exploring deportation exemptions for illegal migrants working on farms or in the hospitality industry who could be swept up in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids.

www.fox35orlando.com

 

[leftwinger]

This.

If they’re not allowed to work here, then they’re not going to come here. If we mandate e-verify and severely punish any company that does not comply, problem solved.

The truth is that neither Democrats nor Republicans really want to remove all illegal immigrants. There are economic benefits of having cheap labor.

Even Trump himself has expressed reluctance of removing ALL illegal immigrants as this would severely negatively impact various sectors.

Trump 'working on' deportation exemptions for undocumented farm and hospitality workers

President Donald Trump said Tuesday he is exploring deportation exemptions for illegal migrants working on farms or in the hospitality industry who could be swept up in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids.

www.fox35orlando.com

Stuff it. You got 175 million jobs changing constantly. Your boys dirty D make it impossible suing if they ask a Mexican for ID. Get off it. You kill Countries with your pollution ana hose bleeping.

You cant even count regiter 3million voter in some states and count black dots without screwing it up and cheating. All of you lying dirtbags are are worthless dishonest immoral cheaters grifters, plain and simple.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Stuff it. You got 175 million jobs changing constantly. Your boys dirty D make it impossible suing if they ask a Mexican for ID. Get off it. You kill Countries with your pollution ana hose bleeping.

You cant even count regiter 3million voter in some states and count black dots without screwing it up and cheating. All of you lying dirtbags are are worthless dishonest immoral cheaters grifters, plain and simple.

Someone is pissy today.

And you’re still throwing your man-baby temper tantrum about the election you legitimately lost. Pathetic.

Keep crying you little b!tch.

 

[leftwinger]

Someone is pissy today.

And you’re still throwing your man-baby temper tantrum about the election you legitimately lost. Pathetic.

Keep crying you little b!tch.

Lying FullStain:

 

[XponentialChaos]

Lying FullStain:

Ok, sure. That’s not even what this topic is about or anything I said. But go ahead and keep crying at me.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

Hard to say which one is worse. They both seem to hate the middle class' guts.
Immigration wise, reagan and bush created many incentives for them to come. But that would actually require you to think.

And Dems don’t actively wave them in? Didn’t Clinton sign NAFTA?

 

[Independent thinker]

I really don't think people remember the 60's, and even the early 70's. And I know, maybe I am just old and sentimental, but things sure were different. But back then, well someone in the middle class could have a full-time stay at home Mom, two cars, decent healthcare, a little bit of retirement savings, an adequate home, and even take a vacation once a year. Can someone in the "middle class" support a full time stay at home Mom now? Let alone the rest. What happened?

Back in the 60's, well my small little town had, well, a town. A real haberdashery, women's boutique, beauty shop, real old time barbershop, independent hardware store. A five and dime, whatever that was, with a diner like counter serving food. Undertaker, newspaper, you get the idea. The difference, damn near everything stayed within the community. Those business owners, even the factory owners, they were your neighbors. Your kids went to school with their kids, played little league or took dance lessons with their kids.

Now, look at any suburban area. Big name stores, national brands, sucking the very wealth out of the community. That is the difference. The owners, the stockholders, sure, many people have 401k's, but those holdings pail in comparison to that of the Uber wealthy. And they no longer live among us, mostly because it is so few of them.

That’s because democrat policies destroy the middle class.

 

[Lesh]

This.

If they’re not allowed to work here, then they’re not going to come here. If we mandate e-verify and severely punish any company that does not comply, problem solved.

The truth is that neither Democrats nor Republicans really want to remove all illegal immigrants. There are economic benefits of having cheap labor.

Even Trump himself has expressed reluctance of removing ALL illegal immigrants as this would severely negatively impact various sectors.

Trump 'working on' deportation exemptions for undocumented farm and hospitality workers

President Donald Trump said Tuesday he is exploring deportation exemptions for illegal migrants working on farms or in the hospitality industry who could be swept up in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids.

www.fox35orlando.com

Reality gets them spitting